Most New IMers Want: Success Or A Pity Party?

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Simply being online for hours each day, posting to the forum, reading emails, and having strong emotions about a lack of money are NOT AT ALL the same as putting a sincere effort into success.

Have you ever met a car dealer, landscaper, plumber, florist, dentist, restaurant owner, mechanic, wedding planner, personal trainer, minister, carpenter, computer salesman,
or ANY OTHER BUSINESSPERSON who said things like...

  1. I've been doing this for six years and still no sales.
  2. It's not fair! Why won't someone help me do this?
  3. Can I succeed working 2 hours per week?
  4. Can I do this without spending any money?
  5. I want someone else in my same industry to give me a blueprint on exactly how I can compete with them and make lots of money!
  6. That system didn't work for me. I should be able to just cross my t's and dot my i's and let the system handle the rest shouldn't I?
OBVIOUSLY there are a lot of people who are trying very hard to earn online. And quite clearly nobody is gong to post in this thread saying: "I admit it. I'm not really doing all I could to succeed."

But I challenge new entrepreneurs to look at what they are doing and be brutally honest about this whole "I'm trying" pitch.

I've met an appalling number of people who claim to want success but then act consistently in a manner that is exactly opposite of their claim.

We can blame it on the masters of hype who sell the "sit-on-you-ass-and-get-rich-pushing-buttons" mentality but I think that's flawed. The fact is such nonsensical promotions would not exist if people didn't want to believe the pitches behind them!

In a recent thread we talked about "gurus" selling ghost-written nonsense and calling it expert advice. But at the same time there's a good deal of solid info available online and I've seen/heard many people bashing IM products/systems that are in fact very good.

So a key question I have on that note is...

How can someone who has never made money online really know if something "doesn't work" - ESPECIALLY after only a few days, which is the time frame for most refund requests?

It's easy to complain that "nothing works" when everyone else is chiming in and telling their failure stories as well. But the truth is only a small percentage of those who say they want to earn online are putting forth a legitimate effort.


Are you really trying or are you piddling around on your computer for a couple of hours each day, doing very little in the way of real planning or work?

I hope rather than flaming me most readers will see the value of my challenge. Also I hope to see some good contributions and counterpoints.

It's actually good news for anyone who realizes they have been less than fully committed up to this point. It means they can shift into gear and begin creating substantial results from here forward!
#lying #people #success #wanting
  • Profile picture of the author jasonl70
    I think a lot of people are too in love with the fantasy, hence they don't take action in order to keep that fantasy alive.

    A lot of others seem to be convinced the 'basics' aren't enough or that they won't work.. I see a lot of people worry about buying something that's 'just a rehash of what's already out there', etc.. well, I got news for them - it's because what's 'already out there' works.
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    • Profile picture of the author Tim Whiston
      Originally Posted by jasonl70 View Post

      I think a lot of people are too in love with the fantasy, hence they don't take action in order to keep that fantasy alive.

      A lot of others seem to be convinced the 'basics' aren't enough or that they won't work.. I see a lot of people worry about buying something that's 'just a rehash of what's already out there', etc.. well, I got news for them - it's because what's 'already out there' works.
      Good point about the basics. A few simple applications are generally enough to create an income stream of some sort but I see people jumping ship and rushing off to try a new idea after a week or two hasn't produced for them.

      And I see that whole "just rehashed" line a lot too. But as consumers we crave resonance (terminology?) I think.

      I everything had to be brand-spankin' new Barnes & Noble would be a small kiosk at your local mall and the whole entertainment industry would go under. Five teachers might have 5 completely different ways of explaining the same tactic and that's fine.
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  • Profile picture of the author Lindsay Brynn
    well you have already made the point but it is the same thing as people complaining about their weight but they don't want to try diet and exercise.
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  • Profile picture of the author abundantlife085
    I think many people are addicted to the 'high' of buying get rich quick type products, almost as if it's a lottery ticket.

    At first they are excited about putting it to use, but after a few hours/days/weeks, it stops being exciting because it is actual work - so they go looking for the next idea that will make them money instantly.
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    • Profile picture of the author Tim Whiston
      Originally Posted by itsliz View Post

      I think many people are addicted to the 'high' of buying get rich quick type products, almost as if it's a lottery ticket.
      That's interesting because I've said many times these opportunity hoppers are a lot like drug addicts. They love the rush of reading one more sales letter and saying "this time I'll do it" and that is what they're really after - the "high" of the consumer experience.

      To be fair these folks probably support a HUGE % of the home B2B market.

      Originally Posted by MichaelHiles View Post

      It's infinitely easier to dream about it than it is to commit yourself to a plan, discipline yourself to a calendar, and sacrifice beers on Friday night with ... loser slobs
      True. And a good point within your post is perhaps that would-be entrepreneurs hang with the kind of mediocre crowd that pulls them down.

      I've been fortunate in that my family is very supportive of what I do. Of course it helps that I make a real living but even when I was connecting the dots and spending more than I earned they had my back.

      "Friends" that had negative things to say about my entrepreneurial ideals just didn't make the cut and were stricken out of my address book permanently.
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  • Profile picture of the author MichaelHiles
    It's infinitely easier to dream about it than it is to commit yourself to a plan, discipline yourself to a calendar, and sacrifice beers on Friday night with the loser slobs that you call friends who will never pay your mortgage or amount to a hill of poop.
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  • Profile picture of the author David Raybould
    Interesting thread Tim...

    People are looking for a magic bullet, and I think a lot of them get stuck in a continuous cycle of it...

    Instead of sticking at something that's going to take a month to see profit, they think it's easier to jump to something else to try and make money faster...

    And then the cycle repeats.

    Pretty soon a year's gone past and they're no nearer to buck one than they were to start with.

    It can be frustrating, but I think the whole IM industry relies on it to be honest. The vast majority of people don't apply anything they learn from all the IM books etc.

    I think if they did, IM product sales would definitely drop, as they'd realise they honestly don't need half the stuff that's released.

    My 2 cents anyway...

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    • Profile picture of the author Tim Whiston
      Originally Posted by the_writer View Post

      It can be frustrating, but I think the whole IM industry relies on it to be honest. The vast majority of people don't apply anything they learn from all the IM books etc.
      I believe you're right. And we may extrapolate to say weight loss, personal development, exercise equipment, DIY home improvement, and many other wealth creation or self help markets are exactly the same way, i.e. their economy is driven largely by the people who consume/buy but don't actually use the products.
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      • Profile picture of the author Kevin AKA Hubcap
        Hey Tim

        I used to resemble that remark.

        It's easier to just sit back and think that the next e-book/course/video you buy will be the key that opens the lock and everything will fall into place.

        I remember when I first started creating videos. I has to have the perfect NLE and jumped from program to program until I finally realized that I was going nowhere fast.

        Add to that one of those personalities that tends to over think/over analyze and you have a recipe for not getting anything done.

        For all of you on the fence...jump off. You'll never know if you can outrun the bull by straddling the fence. Take a run around and if you get a horn up the a** you know that you zigged when you should have zagged.

        That's OK. It's a learning experience and pretty soon you'll have the bull whipped.

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        • Profile picture of the author Tim Whiston
          Originally Posted by Kevin AKA Hubcap View Post

          I remember when I first started creating videos. I has to have the perfect NLE and jumped from program to program until I finally realized that I was going nowhere fast.

          Add to that one of those personalities that tends to over think/over analyze and you have a recipe for not getting anything done.

          Kevin
          Well I can surely relate. I remember the day that I realized for the first time that I had been "looking busy" but not really striving for productivity... it was both shocking and liberating for me and everything changed thereafter.

          But even ow I have to watch myself or I'll get stuck on a looong runway. I find it's critical to always ask myself: "Will this project move me toward my higher goals?"

          Originally Posted by Chase Beach View Post

          I had realized that the Magic Bullet was myself...

          Chase
          That's awesome. I hope you're sharing that insight with people who are struggling because of their program hopping.

          Again I can relate: I spent lots of time trying to be accepted by a particular group of mentors, hoping they would promote me in the same way they promoted other students.

          When I finally decided I didn't care about being part of that particular group my business took off.

          Originally Posted by JLRuffin View Post

          Your brutal honesty will definitely offend some people, but this is what they may need to hear. The Internet is a business online which is no different from other businesses that are offline.
          Seems this needs to be repeated over and over and over again until at least a few people have the "aha moment" they need to realize they've been playing "get rich with gimmick" games.
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        • Profile picture of the author themindvoid
          Originally Posted by Kevin AKA Hubcap View Post

          Hey Tim

          I used to resemble that remark.

          It's easier to just sit back and think that the next e-book/course/video you buy will be the key that opens the lock and everything will fall into place.


          Kevin

          I was in the same boat also

          business is kinda like boxing tho, you can get the best boxer to give you the most descriptive video on how to box, but u wont get good without actually fighting.
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          • Profile picture of the author Tim Whiston
            Originally Posted by themindvoid View Post

            business is kinda like boxing tho, you can get the best boxer to give you the most descriptive video on how to box, but u wont get good without actually fighting.
            Excellent analogy. I agree that rolling up the sleeves and really putting yourself into it is the only way to go.
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      • Profile picture of the author Chase Beach
        Hi Tim,

        Man the truth can hurt. I myself spent countless hours, downloading, reading, downloading, searching, reading... blah blah......oh..and buying!!

        Tonight, I was looking for a good post, that wasn't selling something.. and I got more than I wanted to admit. I had tried to look past the past... about 4 months ago I got off my rear-end and D.I.D. I had realized that the Magic Bullet was myself and that planning, making mistakes and modifying, I could make money. It just takes effort, time and planning. I will grow and capitalize on my niche, developing the Magic Bullet (myself) as I learn.

        Every product has a Magic Bullet as some posters said. I was in the weight-loss industry, when Opera got into her size 10 jeans in the late 80's. What a ride that was!! Yes, each time a person realized the Magic Bullet, was themselves, they changed.

        We are in the business of helping others find their Magic Bullet.....

        Thanks again,

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  • Profile picture of the author JLRuffin
    Your brutal honesty will definitely offend some people, but this is what they may need to hear. The Internet is a business online which is no different from other businesses that are offline. Planning, work, and skill are all involved as well as enough cash flow to keep things moving forward. Anyone who is not willing to invest in themselves and their business might as well admit that they are planning to fail regardless of what they try.
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  • Profile picture of the author mrmanpower
    Here's how it works:


    Do Hard Work ===>Fail ==>learn from failing ==>Work hard and a bit smarter ===>Fail ==>work smarter ===> systematized ===>outsource ===>Sell ===> Go to millions.

    It takes a minimum of 3 months for people who are already good at what they do. But reality is, it will take 2 years to get here. Unless you get rock-solid coaching.

    Or are quick to adapt.

    It's not just hard work.

    It's building experiences. Hence I actually suggest trying different things. giving it 2 to 3 months to work. then move on.

    Find your niche -- where you are good at/ what you love, online and do it.
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