Blackhat - whats not and what is?

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I have magic submitter and I'm wondering weather this tool is blackhat?
How can you tell weather programs are blackhat even?

Thanks.
#blackhat
  • Profile picture of the author Lakshmi SEO
    As per this situation of google hard hand on websites, any automatic tool is threaten for the life of your websites. Make a test try on any new site you have to make sure whether it is black hat or not.
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    • Profile picture of the author aaronjunited
      Originally Posted by Lakshmi SEO View Post

      As per this situation of google hard hand on websites, any automatic tool is threaten for the life of your websites. Make a test try on any new site you have to make sure whether it is black hat or not.
      Thanks for your reply.
      What will tell me weather it's blackhat though? That's what I don't get, what is and what isn't.

      I'm familiar with what it means but not what products are and vice versa.
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  • Profile picture of the author BloggingPro
    Black hat gets thrown around a lot these days. I think you could safely argue that anything you are doing that goes against a terms of service could be considered black hat. If your using magic submitter to break a sites TOS, then in theory you are doing something that is black hat in nature.

    It really depends on what your doing, how your doing it, why your doing it, and where your doing it.

    For example, Google has a set of strict guidelines regarding keyword stuffing, doorway pages, etc, that are definitely black hat and will get you de-indexed quite quickly when found to be utilizing those tricks.

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  • Profile picture of the author aaronjunited
    Thanks for the informative reply, so really it's about using magic submitter to gradually do the things you want it. Not fire thousands of backlinks all over the internet, but do 30 a week or something like that.

    Does anyone actually follow or keep in line with all of Google's requirements?
    Where can I find these guidelines?

    Thanks.
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  • Profile picture of the author BloggingPro
    Ask and you shall receive.

    Webmaster Guidelines - Webmaster Tools Help

    And yes, a majority of webmaster do try to follow these guidelines. Nothing is worse than having a site you worked hard on drop in rankings or even become de-indexed.

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  • I'm not so sure, but bloggingpro has some great advice.
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  • Profile picture of the author aaronjunited
    Much appreciated
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  • Profile picture of the author IMFury
    Here's also an infographic about Black hat SEO: SEO Infographic - Black Hat Monsters of SEO - Smuggecko
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    • Profile picture of the author BloggingPro
      Originally Posted by IMFury View Post

      Here's also an infographic about Black hat SEO: SEO Infographic - Black Hat Monsters of SEO - Smuggecko
      Cool link man!

      While reading it I couldn't help but think of an MMO game with an internet marketing theme. You have the white hats, and the black hats... and its a fight for search engine dominance!

      Of course that's a game most SEO's play in real life, but just saying, for "fun!" lol.

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  • Profile picture of the author hustlinsmoke
    Yes remember anything automatic they do not want you to use it at all lol.
    Now is the term blackhat or is it greyhat, I would consider yours to be more greyhat than blackhat.

    A black hat method, I developed software that will create as many fiverr accounts as I want with the number of emails that I have available and I can get these for five bucks a hundred, then it will post gigs on each account for you automatically. Will check sales and messages, all from the comfort of your easy chair.

    Now that is blackhat.

    Grey hat would be like buying links.

    I see nothing wrong with either, I think some of the rules the big guys impose are selfish. I tend to stay with greyhat or whitehat though, just because I have been kicked from so many sites and have to start all over again. The fiverr software is for me to sell to people who do not mind doing blackhat, I do use it to test it out right now though but personally will not use it all the time.
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  • Profile picture of the author brentb
    You can build a pages PR much faster with High Quality, High PR backlinks than just any junk links across the net.... did my own test on this.

    One page, I got thousands of blog comment posts (pinged) and another I got about 10 PR7+ back links...

    In about 1 month, the first page I believe went to PR1 and the second went to PR4 and started receiving some SE traffic. (Both very similar sites)

    So I would focus on quality links instead of just blog spamming and that kind of automated junk.
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  • Profile picture of the author go4glory
    I just know, google doesn't want you to do any automatic work for/on your site.
    So you cannot do link farms e.g. there cannot be 10000 backlinks of your site in 1-2 days all of a sudden. Right?
    It just wants you to be as manual with your site as possible.
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  • Profile picture of the author aaronjunited
    Thanks a big bunch people for the comments.

    Natural Natural Natural.

    Is using a program like magic submitter to build 10 backlinks in a week considered a blackhat method?

    Just curious.
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    • Profile picture of the author Joe Russell
      Originally Posted by aaronjunited View Post

      Thanks a big bunch people for the comments.

      Natural Natural Natural.

      Is using a program like magic submitter to build 10 backlinks in a week considered a blackhat method?

      Just curious.
      Using a tool such as MB or SEnukeX is not blackhat...its what you do with the tool that determines whether your methods are black, white or grey hat. Submitting content with such tools is no different than manual submission as long as you are submitting unique quality content and using backlink methods that look natural with proper structure.

      Joe Russell
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  • Profile picture of the author aaronjunited
    Thanks for your reply Joe, that makes a lot of sense and I can relate to what your saying.

    Can anyone elaborate what is meant by using backlink methods that look natural with proper structure using these programs.

    I would prefer to use the programs instead of manual, and I want to make sure I use white hat methods using these programs, just don't know where to start or how to make sure I'm using the programs safely.
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  • Profile picture of the author PatrikWilston
    My personal perception, which I have shown perfect some day to day again, that the most effective technique of SEO is great material and a lot of it, is becoming more commonly organised.
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  • Profile picture of the author Glad Warrior
    SEO is blackhat.
    Blog comments are blackhat
    Making web 2.0s are blackhat
    Forum posting with links - Blackhat
    Profiles - Same blackhat

    White Hat = People make links for you naturally.

    So every tool is blackhat, every.
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  • Yes if you wear a blackhat while doing SEO then it's blackhat SEO, har har.

    Today the lines are blurred as it use to be doorway pages, keyword stuffing and invisible text were the biggest blackhat techniques in town, but now blackhat is way more organized and works if you stay within a few set rules, like someone mentioned here, anything outside of Google TOS, nothing blatant and nothing that resides on your site.
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  • Profile picture of the author marketwarrior06
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    Any kind of tool that works automatically is a black hat too. but if you can use it technically then it will seems like a white hat tool and Google will not punish you.but for safety avoiding these is better.
    thanks
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  • Profile picture of the author aaronjunited
    What would you consider safe usage of these link submitter tools or article submitter tools.

    How many people still use these and still don't get slapped by Google is the question.

    I mean can you submit 10 links a week without them slapping you?
    Is this a safe bet.

    I'm told to stay away from all these programs, which is common sense really, but can you really use them safely.
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  • Profile picture of the author hellohellosharp
    Nearly any software that makes backlinks is blackhat. Blacklinks are supposed to come naturally, from other people liking your site and linking to it.

    But just because it's blackhat doesn't mean it wont work
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    • Profile picture of the author aaronjunited
      Originally Posted by hellohellosharp View Post

      Nearly any software that makes backlinks is blackhat. Blacklinks are supposed to come naturally, from other people liking your site and linking to it.

      But just because it's blackhat doesn't mean it wont work
      Understood, so your saying use the tool naturally. ie: 10 links a week, that seems natural.
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      • Profile picture of the author hhitch
        anything that simulates a human action but is not a real human action could be considered black hat. Unless it is a real tool used by a real person and not for SEO purposes.
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  • Profile picture of the author Randall Magwood
    I wouldn't even use a magic submitter.
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