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I'm Blown Away, Here's A Clue:

by Eric Louviere
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Warriors,

I spent a little time reading through some of the posts here and I can tell you with great certainty that a lot of people have it all wrong. In fact, I really don't care if you attack what I'm saying here in this post either... but here's the deal:

Here's how almost every single person I know, who makes a lot of money online, does to earn that money... They sell products & services to people who "want" those products and services. They sell/market their own products and services and mix in affiliate offers along the way.

They build lists and sell those lists offers people want. Therefore, they are busy selling you all those products YOU want. They are busy tapping into "what people want". They figure out what people want and they sell it to them.

For example, Guru Bob creates a product on how to make money with Fiverr. Guru Bob promotes that product to his lists. Guru Sue, Guru Frank, Guru Ricky And Guru Sam all promote Guru Bob's product on how to make money with fiverr because it's converting well.

Question: How is Guru Bob making his money?

If your answer is through "fiverr"... BUZZZ, wrong.

Guru Bob is supplying the market. He is selling what people want. What do they want? They want the easy buttons and they want "how to make $100 this week"... and they want "a pill to lose weight"... and they want "how to make automated income on Amazon"... and "how to rank at the top of Guru and being as lazy as you want to be"... and so on.

Guru Bob is smart. He's busy creating squeeze pages. The last survey I ran showed that 75% of this market does not know how to create a squeeze page. They are too busy chasing the shiny objects to focus on the fundamentals... like building a list.

They are bored with the fundamentals of "traffic and conversions" are are snatching up every gizmo, fly-by-night, easy button around in desperate search of hitting the lottery with some "solution" they "want".

Want to make money, sell what people in a specific market WANT. Flip the table and be the one selling stuff. be the merchant. Be the business owner now. Be the one selling and recruiting affiliates. Be the one driving traffic to your offers.

heck, be the one that gets ridiculed like I probably will here. Who cares, bring it on. Want to make money? Then master one thing... one solution.. one thing people want, and then sell it to them.

Question: If Guru Bob sells a new WSO every week and each WSO is the most awesome way to generate money since money was invented, then Guru Bob is the busiest and most talented marketer in history.

In other words, if WSO guru Bob sells you how to make money with Amazon this week, and then sells how to make money with fiverr next week, then sells how to flips sites and make money the week after and then sells the following week how to make money with Articles and then follows that up with his 11th WSO on how to make money with Facebook, then the trick is on you.

How can Guru Bob be that dang good at so many different things? I mean, I've done millions and I'm not even that dang good. My point, sell stuff like Guru Bob! he's meeting a demand by providing a supply. Bingo.

Therefore, when I read through these posts, all I see are magic buttons here and magic buttons there. I'm blown away... good luck with all that. My advice? Create a sales funnel and sell stuff. Meet those demands. Sell what people want. Flip the table here and be the one selling solutions... systems... and what people "want".

Stop trying to get that magic gizmo software thingy you just bought that promises to put you at #1 on Google by doing nothing but clicking a button, stop trying to get that thing to actually work, and get busy selling solutions to the billions of problems human beings on this planet have.

Now, that's the easy way to earn money for the long haul.

Later,

Eric Louviere
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  • Profile picture of the author kindsvater
    Do you have an easier version of this I don't have to read?

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    • Profile picture of the author jivens
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      Originally Posted by kindsvater View Post

      Do you have an easier version of this I don't have to read?

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      LOL.

      Yeah, but some people really DON'T want to sell things. And a lot of people make a lot of money NOT selling things.

      Your advice is good, but not everybody really wants to do it. Sure, you'll make more money selling things, but selling doesn't interest everyone. Let's say non-guru Bob doesn't want to sell anything, because it simply doesn't interest him, but let's say non-guru Bob is quietly making 10k/month flipping sites on Flippa. Does that mean non-guru Bob is chasing the next magic button? No, that means non-guru Bob found something that actually interests him and is banking from it.

      Just because someone doesn't sell stuff doesn't mean that they are a "magic button chaser". I don't think that's what your point was Eric, but that's what it kind of sounded like.
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      • Profile picture of the author MissTerraK
        Originally Posted by jivens View Post

        LOL.

        Yeah, but some people really DON'T want to sell things. And a lot of people make a lot of money NOT selling things.

        Your advice is good, but not everybody really wants to do it. Sure, you'll make more money selling things, but selling doesn't interest everyone. Let's say non-guru Bob doesn't want to sell anything, because it simply doesn't interest him, but let's say non-guru Bob is quietly making 10k/month flipping sites on Flippa. Does that mean non-guru Bob is chasing the next magic button? No, that means non-guru Bob found something that actually interests him and is banking from it.

        Just because someone doesn't sell stuff doesn't mean that they are a "magic button chaser". I don't think that's what your point was Eric, but that's what it kind of sounded like.
        Hmmm,

        I thought flipping sites meant buying them and then reselling them. Isn't that selling something? :confused:

        Terra
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        • Profile picture of the author jivens
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          Originally Posted by MissTerraK View Post

          Hmmm,

          I though flipping sites meant buying them and the reselling them. Isn't that selling something? :confused:

          Terra
          Yes, but I'm talking about product creation specifically. I thought that would be obvious since that's what he was talking about. Creating squeeze pages and building lists and selling products that you created to those lists is not the same as selling made for adsense sites Sorry for the misunderstanding.

          By the way, I never said it doesn't work, because it does. I was just mentioning the fact that a lot of people are aware of what he was talking about, but they're just not interested in that kind of thing.

          But like i said, I think his point was trying to be made to those people he sees ALWAYS complaining about not making money, but they keep buying different courses and not going anywhere.
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          • Profile picture of the author MissTerraK
            Originally Posted by jivens View Post

            Yes, but I'm talking about product creation specifically. I thought that would be obvious since that's what he was talking about. Creating squeeze pages and building lists and selling products that you created to those lists is not the same as selling made for adsense sites Sorry for the misunderstanding.

            By the way, I never said it doesn't work, because it does. I was just mentioning the fact that a lot of people are aware of what he was talking about, but they're just not interested in that kind of thing.

            But like i said, I think his point was trying to be made to those people he sees ALWAYS complaining about not making money, but they keep buying different courses and not going anywhere.
            Ahh, I gotcha now.

            Thanks for the clarification.

            Terra
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            • Profile picture of the author jivens
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              Originally Posted by MissTerraK View Post

              Ahh, I gotcha now.

              Thanks for the clarification.

              Terra
              No Problem

              To add to this a little bit...I did chase the shiny objects for my first six months in this business. It ALL changed when I buckled down and hired a reputable mentor that I researched relentlessly for like 4 weeks lol.

              What I found was that I was absorbing knowledge from someone who has ALREADY DONE IT. If you want to be a great baseball player, talk to a great baseball player, not the guy down the road playing cards on his front porch (nothing wrong with that).

              Same thing for I.M.. Find someone reputable, research and do your own little background check on them to make sure they're who they say they are, and pay up. If you can't afford coaching, save up money from your day job until you can. It's SO worth it!

              Another thing that I found is that when you spend a lot of money on coaching....let's say.... a couple grand like I did...that keeps you motivated lol!
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              • Profile picture of the author MissTerraK
                Originally Posted by jivens View Post

                No Problem

                To add to this a little bit...I did chase the shiny objects for my first six months in this business. It ALL changed when I buckled down and hired a reputable mentor that I researched relentlessly for like 4 weeks lol.

                What I found was that I was absorbing knowledge from someone who has ALREADY DONE IT. If you want to be a great baseball player, talk to a great baseball player, not the guy down the road playing cards on his front porch (nothing wrong with that).

                Same thing for I.M.. Find someone reputable, research and do your own little background check on them to make sure they're who they say they are, and pay up. If you can't afford coaching, save up money from your day job until you can. It's SO worth it!

                Another thing that I found is that when you spend a lot of money on coaching....let's say.... a couple grand like I did...that keeps you motivated lol!
                I was fortunate enough to have my brother be my coach with no cost to me. Not that he meant to or that he wanted to, but I sat beside him watching him chase the shiny objects and the set and forget methods. What he found was a huge chunk missing out of his bank account, so I at least had a heads up on the shiny object syndrome. And a priceless bit of training in what to avoid.

                The money he lost was enough to keep me motivated in doing my due diligence, lol!

                Man, he's going to kill me if he ever comes back and reads this!

                Terra
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                • Profile picture of the author fin
                  I wish someone would actually find something people wanted and spend all their time studying it until they become a master, then went out and made the best product in the world.

                  I don't know if this would mean they would have a successful business, especially if they are only putting out a a product every few years. My guess is that a few products could go a long way if they are totally amazing compared to the rest.

                  What you're describing sounds like cowboy/charlatan tactics and it's the reason when I have bought new WSO's/IM products I've learned a total of about 1/2 things, and what makes that even more strange is I've only been in IM 1 year so I should really know nothing.
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                  • Profile picture of the author Will Edwards
                    Originally Posted by fin View Post

                    I wish someone would actually find something people wanted and spend all their time studying it until they become a master, then went out and made the best product in the world.

                    I don't know if this would mean they would have a successful business, especially if they are only putting out a a product every few years. My guess is that a few products could go a long way if they are totally amazing compared to the rest.

                    What you're describing sounds like cowboy/charlatan tactics and it's the reason when I have bought new WSO's/IM products I've learned a total of about 1/2 things, and what makes that even more strange is I've only been in IM 1 year so I should really know nothing.
                    Hi Fin

                    Actually, learning 1/2 things every WSO is not a bad strike rate, but I would suggest you stop buying them and think about what Eric has said in this thread. I have sometimes said exactly the same thing here - using different words of course.

                    Which of these questions is on your mind will directly affect your results:

                    1. How do I make money?
                    2. How can I service the requirements of others?

                    There really are are no magic pills, no secret buttons, sauces or formula. It's just common sense coupled with hard work. But, and it is a big BUT, you first have to change the way you think.

                    With regard to your question about why doesn't someone produce a really killer product, all good ideas will be hijacked by those with the marketing muscle, spun into the latest releases of their newest products to make them even shinier - believe me, that's the way it works.

                    Just because you have a genuinely good idea, product, system etc does NOT mean you will make it. Even more important than the product is the marketing muscle.

                    Good luck,

                    Will
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                    • Profile picture of the author Walter Parrish
                      Originally Posted by Will Edwards View Post

                      Hi Fin

                      There really are are no magic pills, no secret buttons, sauces or formula. It's just common sense coupled with hard work. But, and it is a big BUT, you first have to change the way you think.

                      With regard to your question about why doesn't someone produce a really killer product, all good ideas will be hijacked by those with the marketing muscle, spun into the latest releases of their newest products to make them even shinier - believe me, that's the way it works.

                      Just because you have a genuinely good idea, product, system etc does NOT mean you will make it. Even more important than the product is the marketing muscle.

                      Good luck,

                      Will
                      I think it all depends on what you consider to be a magic pill, secret formula, etc.

                      I consider a road map a formula, or secret or magic pill.
                      That plugin that does what you want it to do. Like ahhh track affiliates and allow you to have an army of affiliates. I mean it is Affiliate Marketing.

                      A list of affiliate programs that pay right away. Hey a newbie is going to hear clickbank, clickbank, clickbank, along with getting paid right away, while the reality is that their going to wait 2 to 4 weeks to actually see some type start to roll in from clickbank, so moral could quickly decline.

                      Even little things like knowing most are using Wordpress for websites, which SEO plugins are good, why adwords could break you, I see these all as magic pills, formulas etc.
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                  • Profile picture of the author Walter Parrish
                    Originally Posted by fin View Post

                    I wish someone would actually find something people wanted and spend all their time studying it until they become a master, then went out and made the best product in the world.

                    I don't know if this would mean they would have a successful business, especially if they are only putting out a a product every few years. My guess is that a few products could go a long way if they are totally amazing compared to the rest.

                    What you're describing sounds like cowboy/charlatan tactics and it's the reason when I have bought new WSO's/IM products I've learned a total of about 1/2 things, and what makes that even more strange is I've only been in IM 1 year so I should really know nothing.
                    Internet and Affiliate Marketing are similar to sales, meaning a lot of times if you just do what's taught, it will work. So, instead of doing 1/2 do everything that is taught.
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              • Profile picture of the author Walter Parrish
                Originally Posted by jivens View Post

                No Problem

                To add to this a little bit...I did chase the shiny objects for my first six months in this business. It ALL changed when I buckled down and hired a reputable mentor that I researched relentlessly for like 4 weeks lol.

                What I found was that I was absorbing knowledge from someone who has ALREADY DONE IT. If you want to be a great baseball player, talk to a great baseball player, not the guy down the road playing cards on his front porch (nothing wrong with that).
                I think the guy that's playing cards can teach you something as well.
                I think it was Bruce Lee who said, in the beginning a kick is just a kick. Then you learn back kicks, front kicks, side kicks, hook kicks etc. And in the end a kick is just a kick. It's basically the same process to obtain some mastery at 1 thing, then when you go to the next thing it may seem like a different sport or game, but the principles are basically the same.

                I think I have said this a few times on this forum. When I look at business I first look at two things. 1 How do I gain some type of control. 2 How can I automate that business. If I can do the first to things then it is something worth looking into.
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            • Profile picture of the author Keith Boisvert
              Agreed.

              There of course ways to "make money" doing other things and chasing shiny objects, however IMO they are limited sources of income that disappear as quick as they come.

              A sustainable biz model certainly includes the examples in the OP. Sell what people want. If you want to purchase something shiny, make sure its something that compliments your current system.

              Well, off to go hunt for the latest WSO...:rolleyes:

              ~keith
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        • Profile picture of the author DWolfe
          How many will read this post agree with Eric, than later in the day will start looking for the next Shiney object.

          Others will think you gave them a great idea but think it is too hard to implement. Great post Eric
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          • Profile picture of the author Walter Parrish
            Originally Posted by DWolfe View Post

            How many will read this post agree with Eric, than later in the day will start looking for the next Shiney object.

            Others will think you gave them a great idea but think it is too hard to implement. Great post Eric
            hey if that next shiny object is a plugin that can track affiliates and works with profitstheme for under 99 bucks i'm game lol
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      • Profile picture of the author scrofford
        Originally Posted by jivens View Post

        LOL.

        Yeah, but some people really DON'T want to sell things. And a lot of people make a lot of money NOT selling things.

        Your advice is good, but not everybody really wants to do it. Sure, you'll make more money selling things, but selling doesn't interest everyone. Let's say non-guru Bob doesn't want to sell anything, because it simply doesn't interest him, but let's say non-guru Bob is quietly making 10k/month flipping sites on Flippa. Does that mean non-guru Bob is chasing the next magic button? No, that means non-guru Bob found something that actually interests him and is banking from it.

        Just because someone doesn't sell stuff doesn't mean that they are a "magic button chaser". I don't think that's what your point was Eric, but that's what it kind of sounded like.
        But non-guru Bob is still SELLING something-he's making money off of flipping a website. So in reality he IS selling stuff...just sayin...
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    • Profile picture of the author Shannon Herod
      Originally Posted by kindsvater View Post

      Do you have an easier version of this I don't have to read?

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      I agree, plus I am going to need to wait for some solid reviews before I waste my time with this. I only trust reviews from top WSO sellers I might add.
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    • Profile picture of the author tryinhere
      Originally Posted by kindsvater View Post

      Do you have an easier version of this I don't have to read?

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      ? "sell picks and shovels to the gold miners."
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    • Profile picture of the author Angela V. Edwards
      Originally Posted by kindsvater View Post

      Do you have an easier version of this I don't have to read?

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      LOL, yeah that was funny. Mostly because it hits home; so many people do NOT want to take the time to do what needs to be done. Let's face it folks; there is no "easy button", although good marketers can (and often do) come up with programs and the like that do make things a bit simpler.
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  • Profile picture of the author Eric Louviere
    funny Kindsvater. funny man. lol, I did laugh though
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    • Profile picture of the author MissTerraK
      There you go Eric!

      Kindsvater presented you with a need. Now all you have to do is record an audio of your post and sell it to him to fill his need. lol!

      Terra
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      • Profile picture of the author George Wright
        Originally Posted by MissTerraK View Post

        There you go Eric!

        Kindsvater presented you with a need. Now all you have to do is record an audio of your post and sell it to him to fill his need. lol!

        Terra
        Terra,

        I don't like video so I created a text version that is much easier to read.

        Quoting Jim Straw,

        "...the "basic ingredient" of ALL business: "I have to sell
        something to someone." (Whether you want to accept it or not, that IS the only ingredient necessary to having a business.)"

        George Wright
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        • Profile picture of the author MissTerraK
          Originally Posted by George Wright View Post

          Terra,

          I don't like video so I created a text version that is much easier to read. George Wright
          Very good! Now there's something for everyone to chose from, audio/mp3, video or a well designed easy to read version.

          Originally Posted by George Wright View Post


          Quoting Jim Straw,

          "...the "basic ingredient" of ALL business: "I have to sell
          something to someone." (Whether you want to accept it or not, that IS the only ingredient necessary to having a business.)"

          George Wright
          And that pegs it! No matter what words you use to try to get around it, you can't. Business sells "something", always.

          Terra
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          • Profile picture of the author Bruce Wedding
            Eric,

            Have you ever read "Illusions: The Adventures of a Reluctant Messiah"? If not, you should. Here's the introduction:

            Once there lived a village of creatures along the bottom of a great crystal river.

            The current of the river swept silently over them all - young and old, rich and poor, good and evil, the current going its own way, knowing only its own crystal self.

            Each creature in its own manner clung tightly to the twigs and rocks at the river bottom, for clinging was their way of life, and resisting the current what each had learned from birth.

            But one creature said at last, 'I am tired of clinging. Though I cannot see it with my eyes, I trust that the current knows where it is going. I shall let go, and let it take me where it will. Clinging, I shall die of boredom.'

            The other creatures laughed and said, 'Fool! Let go, and that current you worship will throw you tumbled and smashed across the rocks, and you shall die quicker than boredom!'

            But the one heeded them not, and taking a breath did let go, and at once was tumbled and smashed by the current across the rocks.

            Yet in time, as the creature refused to cling again, the current lifted him free from the bottom, and he was bruised and hurt no more.

            And the creatures downstream, to whom he was a stranger, cried, 'See a miracle! A creature like ourselves, yet he flies! See the Messiah, come to save us all!'

            And the one carried in the current said, 'I am no more Messiah than you. The river delights to lift us free, if only we dare let go. Our true work is this voyage, this adventure.'

            But they cried the more, 'Saviour!' all the while clinging to the rocks, and when they looked again he was gone, and they were left alone making legends of a Savior.
            You're one of those that let go. And you did bounce and bump a little while until you flew. Now you're trying to convince those to let go and see things from your perspective as you pass over, floating in the crystal river.

            Dude, a lot of them just don't want to let go. But a few will and perhaps that's why you do what you do.

            Which reminds me of another story...

            This girl is walking along the beach, which is littered with starfish. She's picking them up and throwing them back to the ocean.

            A man notices this and says to her, "As far as you can see, there are thousands of starfish dying on the beach. Why are you trying to save them. You can't save them all. What you're doing doesn't matter?"

            She smiled, picked up another starfish, threw it in the ocean and said, "It mattered to that one."
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            • Profile picture of the author myob
              Originally Posted by Eric Louviere View Post

              Want to make money, sell what people in a specific market WANT.
              Quick lesson in sales:

              One summer, on a Friday afternoon, a young man was being trained by his supervisor on his first day as a salesperson at a large department store. His supervisor was trying to show him the amount of things he could sell to customers by making them feel they needed the items. "Watch this," he said and approached a man who has just entered the store. "May I help you, sir?"

              The man replied, "I just moved into my first house and I need some fertiliser for my lawn."

              So the supervisor said, "Well, we have five- and ten-pound bags of fertiliser. I recommend you go with the ten pound bag."

              "Why is that?"

              "The ten-pound bag will get you through most of the summer, but the five-pound bag won't," the supervisor answered.

              "Fine," the man agreed, "I'll take the ten-pounder." "Very good sir. And would you like the stiff rake or the spring-rake with that?"

              "Rake? What do I need that for?"

              "Well sir," said the supervisor authoritatively, "if you don't rake up the old dead grass before you spread the fertiliser, it won't all reach the soil."

              "All right then. I'll get the stiff rake."

              "Very good sir. And would you like the fixed sprinkler or the oscillating sprinkler with that?"

              The man started to get a bit steamed and asked harshly, "Sprinkler? Look, I just came in here for some fertiliser. What do I need a sprinkler for?" Calmly, the supervisor responded, "Well sir, if you water your lawn immediately after fertilising, the fertiliser will sink into the soil more quickly and in no time at all, you'll have the greenest lawn in your neighbourhood."

              This sounded pretty good to the man so he picked up the fixed sprinkler. "OK, then. I'll take all this."

              "Very good sir. And would you like the electric or gas mower with that," asked the supervisor.

              Now the customer had about had it and he all but blew up at the supervisor. "LAWNMOWER? Look, all I wanted when I came here was a bag of fertiliser. You've already managed to sell me a rake and a sprinkler besides. Give me one good reason why I should get a lawnmower, too!"

              Calm as ever, the supervisor said, "Well sir, if you get a lawnmower now, then you'll be all ready to start trimming your beautiful green grass the minute it starts getting too long. Your lawn will look like a golf course and you'll be the envy of all your neighbours! Besides, they are on sale this week only, and you're going to need it either way."

              Well, the man figured that sounded OK and he really wanted to get out of there before he bought anything else so at last he relented. "Fine. I'll get the electric mower, but that's it!"

              "Very good sir. I'll ring that up for you."

              After the man had left the store with all his new purchases, the supervisor turned to the trainee and said, "So, do you think you could do that?" The trainee said that he thought he could and the supervisor directed him towards another customer.

              The trainee approached the puzzled-looking man and asked, "May I help you sir?"

              The man replied, "Yes. I need some tampons for my wife." Well, the trainee is totally thrown off by this request. He can't imagine what he could offer the man to go along with that. However, he wanted to impress his boss so he thought hard. Suddenly, he had it! "Very good sir. And would you like the electric or gas mower with that?"

              "Mower? What the hell is wrong with you? I came in here looking for tampons. Why the hell should I get a lawnmower, too?"

              "Well sir," the trainee answered, "I figure your weekend is shot, so you might as well cut the grass."
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  • Profile picture of the author Shannon Herod
    Wait a second here...

    if WSO guru Bob sells you how to make money with Amazon this week, and then sells how to make money with fiverr next week, then sells how to flips sites and make money the week after and then sells the following week how to make money with Articles and then follows that up with his 11th WSO on how to make money with Facebook
    What if it is packaged real nice and has a great sales letter? Is is still a trick?
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  • Profile picture of the author Rod Cortez
    Eric,

    I'm too lazy to read your post, can you make a video for me? Thank.

    RoD
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  • Profile picture of the author intergen
    Originally Posted by Eric Louviere View Post

    Warriors,

    Stop trying to get that magic gizmo software thingy you just bought that promises to put you at #1 on Google by doing nothing but clicking a button, stop trying to get that thing to actually work, and get busy selling solutions to the billions of problems human beings on this planet have.
    Eric I couldn't agree more there are lots of shiny things in these forums (not to say they can't help someone get traffic or links or whatever). But IMO people need long term strategies that will help them build a business not just get a couple of sales - get a recurring stream of revenue.

    I created a product that had strategies on how I added 100,000+ users, received 220 earned press mentions (read: natural back links) and earned 3 industry awards in 11 months. Apparently 11 months to get success like this is 10 months and 28 days too long. I guess it should have been more like "How I earned 6 million dollars in 48 hours while I sat in a pop up pool in my floaties".

    The folks I received feedback in this forum basically told me my product probably wouldn't fly here - it was too high level and not impactful enough? WTF.

    Eric, I couldn't agree more - folks let's get some focus around building long term sustainable businesses that will pay us for years to come not just next week and be gone.
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      The folks I received feedback in this forum basically told me my product probably wouldn't fly here - it was too high level and not impactful enough? WTF.
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  • Profile picture of the author Todd Pedersen
    The Warrior forum is a double edged sword. You can learn quite a few valuable insights here. But on should also spend time DOING something. I try to spend no more than a half hour at a time on the forum. That time limits me to be proactive in with my surfing of the forum (there are some great deals here) and also get to the business of making money.
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  • Profile picture of the author Cpawhiz
    Amend Brother!!!! And I just finished all the WSO's or about 300 of them, seems like every Guru Bob is selling a product and I repeat, I also do not care who hits me with bad words but who even uses the products. I never see positive proof, I think they download it and give a positive after they read it. Everything is theory in there.
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  • Profile picture of the author sbucciarel
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    Nice motivational post but there are some people who simply aren't comfortable supplying buyers with "what they want" if what they want involves:

    Cures/medical treatments from non-professionals
    Products that "promise" a certain income in a certain period of time
    A diet pill that claims to work even if you eat a ton of garbage and don't exercise
    [Insert other unbelievable claim here]

    Personally, I don't care how much money is to be made from the above and other similar products. I'm not comfortable with selling them or promoting them in any way.
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  • Profile picture of the author Anonymous Affiliate
    Eric,

    The thing is that you fail to realize that for most people in this forum, IM is a wishful hobby, not a business. They're not truly in position to make good money online because they treat it as a pass-time, thus they latest shinny gizmo for them is more interesting than ole-school "traffic+conversion" boring formula. Why? because this is not about building a business for them (even though they think it is). This is for them just a way to day-dream about "what if...".

    Here's an analogy: when you buy a lotto ticket, in reality you don't pay $1 for the possibility of becoming a millionaire over night (even though you think that's the case). In reality, you pay the $1 fee for the 2 minutes of mental masturbation you go through when you ponder "what would I do if I made 10 millions overnights?".

    Most people in the WF don't truly mean business. They just want their mental masturbation moment, even if they're not aware of it. They think they are serious about it, but their actions (chain-buying WSOs for instance) prove otherwise.
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    • Profile picture of the author Eric Louviere
      Originally Posted by Anonymous Affiliate View Post

      Eric,

      The thing is that you fail to realize that for most people in this forum, IM is a wishful hobby, not a business. They're not truly in position to make good money online because they treat it as a pass-time, thus they latest shinny gizmo for them is more interesting than ole-school "traffic+conversion" boring formula. Why? because this is not about building a business for them (even though they think it is). This is for them just a way to day-dream about "what if...".

      Here's an analogy: when you buy a lotto ticket, in reality you don't pay $1 for the possibility of becoming a millionaire over night (even though you think that's the case). In reality, you pay the $1 fee for the 2 minutes of mental masturbation you go through when you ponder "what would I do if I made 10 millions overnights?".

      Most people in the WF don't truly mean business. They just want their mental masturbation moment, even if they're not aware of it. They think they are serious about it, but their actions (chain-buying WSOs for instance) prove otherwise.
      wow, that is brilliantly, well said! best I've ever heard that explained before.
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    • Profile picture of the author fluffythewondercat
      Originally Posted by Anonymous Affiliate View Post

      Most people in the WF don't truly mean business. They just want their mental masturbation moment, even if they're not aware of it. They think they are serious about it, but their actions (chain-buying WSOs for instance) prove otherwise.
      We were in Bermuda some years ago and stopped at a quaint little shop that made handpainted ceramic house number signs. Gorgeous stuff.

      What was remarkable was they had figured out, literally, how to monetize their foot traffic.

      You see, most tourists aren't ready to pay $200-$300 for a custom sign, no matter how beautiful, but they'll oooh and aaah over the samples.

      So these folks put together an ordering packet with drawings and instructions. And they sold it for $6 (the price is probably higher now). They told me they sell a lot of them. We bought one because we thought we'd be ordering a sign. We never did.

      Sell the dream.

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      • Profile picture of the author Anonymous Affiliate
        Originally Posted by fluffythewondercat View Post

        Sell the dream.
        Absolutely: sell the destination, not the journey to that destination.

        Most people don't want to endure the journey, they just want to be magically poofed into the destination. Most WF members are like that: they want to make money online, but they dont want to know (or they cannot handle) the work it takes to make that money. Thus they keep on jumping from shiny item to another.
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  • Profile picture of the author Mike Hill
    Eric,

    I'll be absolutely clear, sincere and 100% truthful when I say "you hit the nail square on the head. I could not have said it better myself!"
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  • Profile picture of the author AlphaWarrior
    Eric, did I really read your post right and there is not a magic button or magic gizmo? Do you also say that there is no Santa Clause or Tooth Fairy, and no free lunch? Wow!!! Really???

    Gee, if you are right, that means that we have to work at IM. What a bummer.
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  • Profile picture of the author Tsnyder
    Eric...

    I heard a rumor that you might be releasing this on
    video with maybe a pdf and an mp3.... dude... hook me
    up with a review copy...
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  • Profile picture of the author kindsvater
    In all seriousness, about cranking out products, when I'm brainstorming (lollying around in the hammock) I can generate plenty of ideas. I don't know about you, but I have so many ideas it is ridiculous, but more pressing things always need to be done and spending time creating products for IMers is not my core business.

    What I should do is scrap idea generating and work on obtaining affiliates.

    Yesterday I was going through a large box of IM and Warrior Alliance notes from 2005/2006 (my wife said I needed to weed out the paper) and I tossed half because Google changes mooted them but kept the rest.

    I have a mountain of notepads, investigation and research. Can someone release a WSO every week? Yep. I don't have a problem with that. There are authors who create a prodigious number of quality books too.

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    • Profile picture of the author Rob Howard
      Originally Posted by kindsvater View Post

      Can someone release a WSO every week? Yep. I don't have a problem with that. There are authors who create a prodigious number of quality books too.

      .
      Here is a hint for a lot of people - you can easily crank out a WSO every week...but it doesn't need to be a product you created...and you don't need break the rules to do it either.

      Once you establish yourself as someone who can market a product in a marketplace successfully, all you have to do is find people who have great products and market it for them...and trust me, the amount of people with quality products is staggering...

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      • Profile picture of the author Mike Roncone
        There definitely is an issue with people chasing "the next big thing" but that has ALWAYS been an issue, and it always WILL BE an issue.

        Not just online, either. What do you think causes people to wait outside of the Apple Store for three days and nights in order to be the first one to get the new iPhone? How about midnight showings that easily pack every theater in the house, even on a weekday?

        This is something that will always (I'm not going to say plague, because it's not always a bad thing) be a part of human behavior, for good and for worse. The important part is teaching people that REALLY want something that this tail-chasing simply doesn't work.

        Once they acknowledge that, then it is about getting them to buckle down and focus instead of buying twelve separate ebooks every week.

        However, if there is a seller that has written one ebook every week for twelve weeks that ALL deal with the SAME subject and simple provide MORE information on that strategy... There's nothing wrong with buying a new ebook every week.

        As long as it contributes to your same long-term strategy, then all the knowledge you can find is worth buying (unless the seller is a pile of crap)

        Just my opinion, you're right, Eric. Most certainly.
        But there is more to it than that.

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  • Profile picture of the author Rus Sells
    Want to make money, sell what people in a specific market WANT. Flip the table and be the one selling stuff. be the merchant. Be the business owner now. Be the one selling and recruiting affiliates. Be the one driving traffic to your offers.
    This is the MAJOR difference, many people neither have the desire or understanding of being a business owner and that's why they go for the shiny objects.

    The whole underlying issue is that people either don't have the desire to establish are "real" business or they don't want too.

    This is the main difference, picks and shovels versus gold miners.
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    • Profile picture of the author blueonblue
      Originally Posted by Rus Sells View Post

      This is the MAJOR difference, many people neither have the desire or understanding of being a business owner and that's why they go for the shiny objects.

      The whole underlying issue is that people either don't have the desire to establish are "real" business or they don't want too.

      This is the main difference, picks and shovels versus gold miners.
      Exactly right. During the California gold rush of the 1800's the miners 49ers (darling clementine) went out and panned for gold in the rivers. They drank, visited whorehouses and gambled their money away, they also killed each other over it.

      Who made money? Levi Strauss for one who realized he could make more supplying heavy duty clothes that didn't rip that easily and Levi's were born, the men who sold the booze, the ones who ran the gambling halls and the whorehouses because they supplied what people want.

      Im leaning that you don't necessarily have to create a WSO. Not everyone has the talent. I see some of the sales pages and know I don't. But you can be an affiliate of a GOOD product and run with it. Perhaps it is simply promotion.

      I created an ebook and added my signature to get people to look at it. Not very good reception so far, but that is OK. Over the weekend I will be creating a squidoo lens and maybe a hub page pointing to the landing page (not very pretty) but if the squidoo pages and the hub pages (in addition to Digg, RedIt, Stumbled Upon ) do their job, that probably won't matter as much.

      I have come to the conclusion that the reason people are telling you that things have changed because of Panda and Farmer is because they are caught in the sunami that Google created when they removed autoblogs and crap in an effort to give GOOD to great search results. These people realized OMG I have to do work again?

      I see some major gurus selling a product that they supposedly have created on Monday and then by Friday selling a different product. To me that says I have my tail between my legs. I don't know what I am doing and my product doesn't work so I am promoting Bobs product.

      I realized this after buying too many CRAPPY WSO that either didn't work or if they did work, were just disguised commission programs like one that didn't tell you that he was working with ZNZ. He showed you how to his movies and systems to promote so you had hundreds of people on CL and FB promoting the same crap in the same method instead of thinking outside of the box.

      Interesting! This thread should have been in the Mind Warriors forum which is where Im heading now. Night all!
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  • Profile picture of the author HN
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    The question is - does Guru Bob even know anything about how to make money on Fiverr or does he buy a course about making money on Fiverr from Guru Josh, Guru Mike and Guru Frank, rehashes the info and sells as his own piece of garbage (also know as "product" by IM crowd)?
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  • Profile picture of the author Don Schenk
    Originally Posted by Eric Louviere View Post

    Warriors, I spent a little time reading through some of the posts here and I can tell you with great certainty that a lot of people have it all wrong. In fact, I really don't care if you attack what I'm saying here in this post either... but here's the deal:

    Eric, anyone who would attack or ridicule your post is clueless about how business works. They want money without learning how to do what is necessary, and without then doing what is necessary.

    The same issue exists in other business areas too. In 1975 my wife and I bought our first rental property, and I was immediately hooked. Over the years we have bought many others, but my wife is a real estate attorney who knew how the rental market worked. Also several of our friends were (and still are) involved with real estate.

    Some years after owning properties, I discovered there was a local REIA (Real Estate Investors' Association), and joined. The Cincinnati chapter, affiliated with a large national REIA, was one of the larger in the country.

    The meetings (twice a month) were always filled with investment property wannabes who never got off their collective arse to go make offers and actually purchase property.

    It was the dream that was important to them - not the actual doing. And there were/are a bazillion real estate gurus selling shinny object courses to them.

    :-Don
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  • Profile picture of the author Dmaind
    For those who want easier version..
    How can Guru Bob be that dang good at
    so many different things? I mean, I've done
    millions and I'm not even that dang good.
    My point, sell stuff like Guru Bob! he's
    meeting a demand by providing a supply.
    Bingo.
    Eric, I love your straight forward approach. There are very few marketers who walk the walk and talk the talk.
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  • Profile picture of the author Walter Parrish
    Originally Posted by Eric Louviere View Post

    Warriors,

    I spent a little time reading through some of the posts here and I can tell you with great certainty that a lot of people have it all wrong. In fact, I really don't care if you attack what I'm saying here in this post either... but here's the deal:

    Here's how almost every single person I know, who makes a lot of money online, does to earn that money... They sell products & services to people who "want" those products and services. They sell/market their own products and services and mix in affiliate offers along the way.

    Eric Louviere
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    I'm just going to send everyone that asks over to this thread.
    But, for some reason I think they still won't get it. I got ask you and the veteran marketers Why is it that a newbie with 500+ friends, or associates on their social media, refuses to work on a list??? And then is so quick to say oh it's not working for me? lol
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  • Profile picture of the author therichb
    Affiliates & Affiliates is the main theme a lot of people work on & a certain % of them even get succeeded in building their mark on the niche.

    Giving up is not what IM teaches, so better planning wil give a boost to your thoughts & then to your sale stream, but people still do not sell (a very big %), they just resell the product created by someone else...
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  • Profile picture of the author shane_k
    hmm, what do you call people who chase shiney objects?

    Customers!!

    Like someone said before, do you want to be an Internet Marketer or do you want to be an Internet Marketers customer?

    shane_K
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  • Profile picture of the author eugenedm
    Making money online is about focusing on a method that works. You can jump from one program/course/method to another and eventually you'll come across one that works for you.
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  • Profile picture of the author JayParker
    There are many like Guru Bob, newbies should learn to identify them. I think newbies should have the fundamentals right and the right business models. The one key thing that remains true is selling what people want to buy. That's really important if you want to make money in any niche.
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