Sleazy Upsells from an Infoproduct

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Recently got a call from the facebook ad clone guys that reminded me of a post I wanted to make here for a while.

How typical boiler room scams work for biz opps:
My friend works in a boiler room selling coaching programs. He's a little conflicted as it's great money, but the success rates are super low for people that purchase. But, he makes six figures and doesn't know what else to do.

Here's how it works:
Someone orders a cheap book or info product off a late night tv ad, usually.
Telemarketers call them, warm them up for the more experienced telemarketer. Usually there are several 'setters' who send prospects to a 'closer' once they are ready.

They find out how much money the prospect has on a credit card.
They charge $2,500-15,000 for coaching packages and business in a box systems.
These systems and coaching are completely overpriced and usually not very good.
Rinse and repeat. It's all legal!

How this relates to us:
Seems some internet marketers, some of whom sell here on WF have figured out this nifty trick.
I just received a call from a partner connected to FBadclone. It seems they bought my contact info from Fbadclone folks or are working together somehow.
He attempted to sell me a big ticket upgrade coaching package.
The person making the call seemed uneducated, didn't know what Fbadclone does, and wanted to pitch me a coaching package in the thousands of dollars. I'm not sure how much b/c I ended it rather soon.
I MAY be wrong, but I don't think so. Felt very much like a boiler room outfit.

So, be careful of any WSOs that feel a little sleazy and ask for your number- they might be calling to pitch you overpriced services.
#fbadclone #infoproduct #sleazy #upsells
  • Profile picture of the author Cpawhiz
    I call it working off dreams. This has been around forever just in different forms. Loans, self help, spiritual ect. They work off peoples dreams and most never follow through so they never do work.

    I just can't see where it's wrong though, I know I will get bashing for this.

    Now listen I do not do this, but we are adults. If someone offers me a vehicle for sale for 20,000 and I buy it to find out it was really only worth 5,000 there is no one to blame but me.
    Same with pay, if I accept a job for 5 buck's an hour and everyone else is making 30 bucks an hour, its on me.

    People have a right to free enterprise and if people want to be less than intelligent about there buying then so be it.
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    • Profile picture of the author legrandbagley
      Many of the clients are desperate, already in debt, and on their last legs, so there is definitely an ethical concern here when we are talking about costs in the thousands.

      RELEVANT POINT for the Warrior Forum: People are figuring out how to pull the same con job on folks here as well.

      You might argue that many WSOs are of low value and are the same kind of thing, which might be true. But we are talking about the big time, thousands of dollars, often $5K or $10K+.

      I think Warriors are going to be a harder mark for some of these guys, but still it's worth putting the warning out there.
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    • Profile picture of the author HeySal
      Originally Posted by Cpawhiz View Post

      I call it working off dreams. This has been around forever just in different forms. Loans, self help, spiritual ect. They work off peoples dreams and most never follow through so they never do work.

      I just can't see where it's wrong though, I know I will get bashing for this.

      Now listen I do not do this, but we are adults. If someone offers me a vehicle for sale for 20,000 and I buy it to find out it was really only worth 5,000 there is no one to blame but me.
      Same with pay, if I accept a job for 5 buck's an hour and everyone else is making 30 bucks an hour, its on me.

      People have a right to free enterprise and if people want to be less than intelligent about there buying then so be it.
      This.

      Laws or no laws - there will always be someone out there who will look for any way they can find to take someone's money. If you aren't watching out for yourself, you are going to get taken no matter what the laws are. Even those who really watch what they are doing get scammed now and again, so it's a good thing to find out what your options are for retribution if you buy something that turns out to be a scam -- or even just something disappointing.

      Look at the "Nigerian" scams. Should we feel sorry for someone who participates in something more than likely illegal because they think they'll get rich? I don't.

      Another issue -- if it costs more than you can afford to lose, don't buy it. Simple plan that's made sense forever.
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  • Profile picture of the author louie6925
    I urge anyone reading this to think twice before paying for high ticket coaching programs! unless you are already rolling in it then it will hurt you bad!

    please warriors, think twice! paying big money doesn't increase your chances of success! .....only you are capable of that and its done by learning and working hard at taking action! You have more information on this forum than you will get from these coaching programs anyway!
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  • Profile picture of the author briantymes
    It is really a shame that there are not more honest people out there. But as long as there is to be money made, you are going to be finding things like this all over the place.
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  • Profile picture of the author 100k
    Read the "fast lane" by MJ DeMarco.

    You will start to see that 95% of the people selling WSO/Courses here are only making their money from selling those course and not from doing the actual methods.

    They tell you to make money doing ABC but as a while they are making and been making their money from selling "ebooks".

    I.e Rich Dad poor dad.... Get rich buying real estate... but the guy made his real fortune from selling those rich dad poor dad courses.
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  • Profile picture of the author E. Brian Rose
    Originally Posted by legrandbagley View Post

    It's all legal!
    Why wouldn't it be legal? A salesperson makes a pitch for a service and the prospect decides whether or not to buy it. I don't see a difference between this and many of the high ticket OTOs I see floating around these parts. Some are sleezy, some are pretty good deals.
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    • Profile picture of the author RogueOne
      Originally Posted by E. Brian Rose View Post

      Why wouldn't it be legal? A salesperson makes a pitch for a service and the prospect decides whether or not to buy it.
      Caveat emptor - never give a sucker an even break - a fool and his money are soon parted - etc. etc. etc.

      Unless they go in your wallet, take out your money and run then it's on you.
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  • Profile picture of the author legrandbagley
    Outfits like this often get in trouble because the grossly over represent what their package is, guarantees, things like that. Bottom line is not to over promise what you are doing. Also, they target the weak, the elderly, people that can hardly operate a computer for an online business.
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  • Profile picture of the author Randall Magwood
    This is how late night TV biz opp informercials get down. Even worse is when they bill you for $3,000 - and dont allow you to get your money back after you buy.
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    • Profile picture of the author cjreynolds
      Originally Posted by Randall Magwood View Post

      This is how late night TV biz opp informercials get down. Even worse is when they bill you for $3,000 - and dont allow you to get your money back after you buy.
      Sounds like the voice of experience... Care to share?
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      I just added this sig so I can refer to it in my posts...

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  • Profile picture of the author Rod Cortez
    When you get these types of calls do what I do: have fun with them at THEIR expense. I've got about 4-5 scenarios I like throwing at these guys. The more aggressive they are at the get-go the tougher scenario gets thrown at them.

    One of my favorite things to do is to try and recruit them into my fake network marketing opportunity, telling them they're the one's that are crazy for not wanting real financial freedom. lol

    "So, you like calling total strangers for a living?", I like to say. "C'mon, with MY system all you have to do is get leads to a website and WHAAAMOOOOHHH, the money starts rolling in?"

    "UH....", is the reply.

    "So let me ask you buddy, how much credit do you have on your credit card? I'll work with you."

    They usually get the hint after a few minutes. Another favorite one of mine is to pretend I'm in the middle of a satanic cult sacrifice.

    "Hey buddy, I'm in the middle of a ritual here. I've go to sacrifice a live chicken here and then I've got to retouch the pentagram." (Make louds weird noises and shout unintelligible chants).

    That usually gets them off the phone real quick.

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  • Profile picture of the author sbucciarel
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    The FTC has been cracking down on a lot of biz op boiler room operations, but unfortunately, it takes years and many people get bilked for thousands before the company is taken down.
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  • Profile picture of the author easternodyssey
    Oldest trick in the book and lets face it only a stupid person can full for a coaching program that costs the normal price of a first term of university. After only using this forum for 3 months the amount of scams i see is quite funny.
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