If your strategy can make $5K to $10K or higher a month.....

by Adie
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Why would you waste time selling it for $20 and below?
Please give me a very solid, convincing, and sensible explanation.
Can anyone honestly say that he made thousands after buying a $20 IM product by just following the steps in that product without extra outside effort?

Although I put some products into exception, let's hear other warrior's opinions....
#$10k #$5k #higher #make #month #strategy
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    • Profile picture of the author Adie
      Originally Posted by Jonathan Smith View Post

      I am making money in my own way before most of these WSOs were discovered (real or legit)... And I stick with my system no matter how much a new IM product can offer...unless there is a solid, non-doctored proof...
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  • Profile picture of the author hustlinsmoke
    I have bought a few programs for low cost that have helped me, I have bought a few programs total in 20 years of marketing that have helped me period. So were on the same train of thought.
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  • Profile picture of the author bigballin6161
    People who make the big bucks dont give away their secrets for a few grand...would you? And risk saturating the market? No most of the people who claim that in their wso are full of it, or they sell the secret once it no longer works or is saturated,
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  • Profile picture of the author wAvision
    some people believe it or not, once they reach complete freedom and achieve that level of success want to teach others and give back....
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    • Profile picture of the author HN
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      Originally Posted by wAvision View Post

      some people believe it or not, once they reach complete freedom and achieve that level of success want to teach others and give back....
      Can't they do so without wasting time on creating WSO, sales page and charging for it? Remember, they reached complete freedom? They most likely don't need that extra few grands generated by WSO.
      Real freedom? Can you imagine Warren Buffet, Peter Lynch, Brian Tracy launching a WSO?

      People who want to teach others and give back can as well do it for free. Believe it or not.

      Never hire a couch who teaches you for money, but him who does it for the love of it. H.N.
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      • Profile picture of the author Andy Fletcher
        Originally Posted by HN View Post

        Can't they do so without wasting time on creating WSO, sales page and charging for it? Remember, they reached complete freedom? They most likely don't need that extra few grands generated by WSO.
        Real freedom? Can you imagine Warren Buffet, Peter Lynch, Brian Tracy launching a WSO?

        People who want to teach others and give back can as well do it for free. Believe it or not.

        Never hire a couch who teaches you for money, but him who does it for the love of it. H.N.
        So because I don't need the money, that means I shouldn't charge for stuff?

        Try paying for your groceries at the store that way next time you go shopping.

        Tesco made £18,000 profit for every member of staff employed last year, so clearly they don't need to charge for food.
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        • Profile picture of the author HN
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          Originally Posted by Andy Fletcher View Post

          So because I don't need the money, that means I shouldn't charge for stuff?

          Try paying for your groceries at the store that way next time you go shopping.

          Tesco made £18,000 profit for every member of staff employed last year, so clearly they don't need to charge for food.
          Either you are not awake yet or ... worse yet.

          Producing food costs money, talking to someone only takes time. You can do it for free while your business makes a lot more money without your intervention, much more than you can charge for teaching. I don't expect you to 'get the point' and you may continue to come up with completely irrelevant examples if you feel neccessary.
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          • Profile picture of the author Andy Fletcher
            Originally Posted by HN View Post

            Can you please explain me something. You sell SEO services and can bring every website to top of Google, ( socialbacklinkingblueprint dot com ) but how is it possible that your own website (digiresults) has 5,450 pages indexed and only ranks for 2 keywords
            digi launch pad Position #14 in G (12 searches/mo)
            business leads miner Position #19 (22 searches/mo)
            It receives 0 traffic from Google and yet gets 17,141 daily visitors? So you rely on other sources (affiliates) to sell SEO. You can bring every website to top except yours? You are willing to make everyone else rich but yourself? Or does the 'secret' lay in selling services that didn't work for your own website?
            Yes, the secret is absolutely selling services that don't work for my website. In the IM niche every man and his dog is SEOing their site. It's ridiculously competitive and thus the returns suck. I don't think I've ever tried to SEO an IM niche site in my life. All my SEO experience comes from competitive but not over the top competitive niches, most notably the UK celebrity market.

            Also, incase you haven't noticed, DigiResults is an affiliate network so strangely enough we sell all our stuff using affiliate traffic because we're just as good at that and it works so much more effectively in the niche because everyone knows how to SEO and list build.

            Originally Posted by HN View Post

            Either you are not awake yet or ... worse yet.

            Producing food costs money, talking to someone only takes time. You can do it for free while your business makes a lot more money without your intervention, much more than you can charge for teaching. I don't expect you to 'get the point' and you may continue to come up with completely irrelevant examples if you feel neccessary.
            Your time may not be worth anything, but I value mine rather highly thank you very much.
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      • Profile picture of the author Black Hat Cat
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        Originally Posted by HN View Post

        Can't they do so without wasting time on creating WSO, sales page and charging for it? Remember, they reached complete freedom? They most likely don't need that extra few grands generated by WSO.
        Real freedom? Can you imagine Warren Buffet, Peter Lynch, Brian Tracy launching a WSO?

        People who want to teach others and give back can as well do it for free. Believe it or not.

        Never hire a couch who teaches you for money, but him who does it for the love of it. H.N.
        Can you imagine Warren Buffet, Peter Lynch and Brian Tracy demanding they be taught for free?
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        • Profile picture of the author HN
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          Originally Posted by Black Hat Cat View Post

          Can you imagine Warren Buffet, Peter Lynch and Brian Tracy demanding they be taught for free?
          They don't need to be taught for free.

          But if you meant to ask can you imagine they teach you for free? Yes I have received unimaginable amount of information from those guys for free. Well, One Up On Wall StreetOne Up On Wall Street was not exactly free, but it was next to being free.

          And to answer the the original post. It seems completely logical thing to sell a million of copies of a book for $20, showing how you made hundreds of millions dollars. Esp. if releasing this information has no affect whatsoever on your business. Stock Market just can't get saturated, no matter how many people do what you do it won't affect your trades (almost).
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  • Profile picture of the author DaveWarrior
    I agree. It really shocks me people buy WSOs, their outrageous claims and all.
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  • Profile picture of the author Jesse White
    Because people want to show their method and profit from it, pretty much auto-pilot.

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    • Profile picture of the author Adie
      Originally Posted by Xander Fraiser View Post

      Because people want to show their method and profit from it, pretty much auto-pilot.

      So you are making $10/month and still want to earn a pity $15?

      I just don't get the logic after receiving a PM today from someone who is selling a WSO promising $20K/month, begging me to write a review for his WSO in exchange for a copy.. He even told me that he need to sell at least 10 copies daily to recover his posting fees... what a loser.... I just ignored his PM....
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      • Profile picture of the author 9ball
        It is like why would you selling your articles and why don't you use it for yourself I believe every single article from you can make good money if use it properly.

        Personally I'm your customer and very satisfied with your article writing service. If lucky (reach good spot in page 1), every article reviews you made for me can bring me $30-$300/month. I think you already know that and use it yourself.

        But why you still offer writing service?

        We all (me, you and also the WSO creators) just want more money
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        • Profile picture of the author Adie
          Originally Posted by 9ball View Post

          It is like why would you selling your articles and why don't you use it for yourself I believe every single article from you can make good money if use it properly.

          Personally I'm your customer and very satisfied with your article writing service. If lucky (reach good spot in page 1), every article reviews you made for me can bring me $30-$300/month. I think you already know that and use it yourself.

          But why you still offer writing service?

          We all (me, you and also the WSO creators) just want more money
          First, thank you for being my customer.
          Selling services is different from selling products. Your question for me is like you are asking the farmer, "why don't eat all your crops instead of selling it?"

          I ran authority sites and of course I am using my own articles. What to do when supply is bigger than demand? Of course you have to sell and that is exactly what I am doing.

          Do this people have overflowing income that's why they are selling these products? I doubt....

          You may also read my post above yours....

          BTW, I never created and sold any WSO .... My writing service is not WSO...
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          • Profile picture of the author 9ball
            Originally Posted by Adie View Post

            First, thank you for being my customer.
            Selling services is different from selling products. Your question for me is like you are asking the farmer, "why don't eat all your crops instead of selling it?"

            I ran authority sites and of course I am using my own articles. What to do when supply is bigger than demand? Of course you have to sell and that is exactly what I am doing.

            Do this people have overflowing income that's why they are selling these products? I doubt....

            You may also read my post above yours....

            BTW, I never created and sold any WSO .... My writing service is not WSO...
            Yeah sure I agree with you but I think the answer is still because they want to make more (& quick) money.

            Let's do the math, if you can make $2000/month with your strategy, it is equal to $24.000/year. Why someone not interesting to make WSO about that strategy that can add nice $10.000 to his pocket in short time?

            Sure he don't need to share his "super secret" tricks in his WSO and keep it for own use

            just IMO
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          • Profile picture of the author contentwriting360
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            Why would you waste time selling it for $20 and below?
            Please give me a very solid, convincing, and sensible explanation.
            Can anyone honestly say that he made thousands after buying a $20 IM product by just following the steps in that product without extra outside effort? Although I put some products into exception, let's hear other warrior's opinions....
            That's indeed a question. I've seen a lot of Warriors asking about the same. For example, we have product creators claiming that they can bring money into the buyer's pocket for this much. It makes me think that if this product creator guarantees that his product brings money that much, why not just do it for himself so he bags all the money. Well, that's just an example and I don't have anything against product creators.

            I must agree with Adie that selling services is different from selling products, and this quote below made me laugh.

            Your question for me is like you are asking the farmer, "why don't eat all your crops instead of selling it?" What to do when supply is bigger than demand? Of course you have to sell and that is exactly what I am doing.
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          • Profile picture of the author gundammeister
            I've been here for a few years now and bought my share of WSOs. Nowadays, I stopped purchasing them. I discovered that most of the WSOs are basically methods that once worked and now are not working so well. That's why you have to pay attention to the income proof statements to make sure that it's recent. Lots of sellers promote one method but have income statements from 2011 to back it up. How do we know that the method still is effective today?

            Also, many people sell WSOs as their primary way of making money online. They just think of methods and write a report and come out with a new WSO every few weeks. I can name 5 people instantly who do this right now. The majority of the cases, are just fluff and rehashed materials unfortunately. Occasionally, there are gems out there. SimpleSpencer's stuff is great btw.

            The only services that I purchase are for content and backlinking. Nothing else.
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  • Profile picture of the author WillR
    I don't agree with what you have said here and that's not because I have sold WSO's in the past. It's because what you are saying is just not true.

    The WSO's you are talking about are the VERY small minority. The ones that claim to make you rich overnight by sitting at home in your underpants... with some newly discovered ninja secret that only a few people know about.

    Those types of products ARE ridiculous and I feel sorry for anyone who buys them. But they only exist because people DO buy them and will always keep buying them.

    Now we move on to the next type of WSO. Someone who puts out a product explaining what they do to make money. This is different to promising riches overnight and you will find a lot of these types of WSO's nowadays... I've even released them myself.

    It's no different to you putting out a WSO teaching people how to write articles for money. It's a technique you obviously use to earn an income so why not share it with others and make yourself some more income on the side... and it feels pretty good when you know you have genuinely helped even just a few people to start earning a real income online.

    Yes, I can understand if you were making money by doing some ninja trick only a few people know about, you might not want to share it and dilute its effectiveness. But let's face it, most of the people making money online are doing so with some derivative of am already tried and true method that has worked for years and years.

    If you sold a WSO teaching others how to make money writing and selling articles, do you really think that would have an impact on your article writing business? Do you think you would then get less article jobs because a few other people are now out there competing against you? I don't think so.

    The same goes for a lot of other markets, especially the offline market. There are so many small businesses out there who need help with their marketing that even if I released my secrets on how I was making bank by selling services to local clients, it would not effect my business at all. The market is just too big. There is enough room for a LOT of people.

    Anyway, that's my take on things.

    I get a bit sick and tired of seeing all these threads labeling everyone under the one umbrella. "Oh man, all WSO's suck and are scams." Um no, that's not true. A small amount of WSO's are crap and they get found out very quickly. There are also a hell of a lot of great WSO's out there, things like tools and plugins and the like, that you would never find anywhere else and definitely not at the prices they are offered around here. This forum has resulted in a huge amount of innovation over the last year or two.

    Instead of just stereotyping everyone and everything, you need to look at things a lot more closely. I have been to restaurants before where I found a hair in my food. Does that then mean all restaurants serve hair in their food? I have also been ripped off buying things on eBay before... does that then mean all eBayers are scammers? I think you know the answer...
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    • Profile picture of the author Adie
      Originally Posted by WillR View Post

      I don't agree with what you have said here and that's not because I have sold WSO's in the past. It's because what you are saying is just not true.

      The WSO's you are talking about are the VERY small minority. The ones that claim to make you rich overnight by sitting at home in your underpants... with some newly discovered ninja secret that only a few people know about.

      Those types of products ARE ridiculous and I feel sorry for anyone who buys them. But they only exist because people DO buy them and will always keep buying them.

      Now we move on to the next type of WSO. Someone who puts out a product explaining what they do to make money. This is different to promising riches overnight and you will find a lot of these types of WSO's nowadays... I've even released them myself.

      It's no different to you putting out a WSO teaching people how to write articles for money. It's a technique you obviously use to earn an income so why not share it with others and make yourself some more income on the side... and it feels pretty good when you know you have genuinely helped even just a few people to start earning a real income online.

      Yes, I can understand if you were making money by doing some ninja trick only a few people know about, you might not want to share it and dilute its effectiveness. But let's face it, most of the people making money online are doing so with some derivative of am already tried and true method that has worked for years and years.

      If you sold a WSO teaching others how to make money writing and selling articles, do you really think that would have an impact on your article writing business? Do you think you would then get less article jobs because a few other people are now out there competing against you? I don't think so.

      The same goes for a lot of other markets, especially the offline market. There are so many small businesses out there who need help with their marketing that even if I released my secrets on how I was making bank by selling services to local clients, it would not effect my business at all. The market is just too big. There is enough room for a LOT of people.

      Anyway, that's my take on things.

      I get a bit sick and tired of seeing all these threads labeling everyone under the one umbrella. "Oh man, all WSO's suck and are scams." Um no, that's not true. A small amount of WSO's are crap and they get found out very quickly. There are also a hell of a lot of great WSO's out there, things like tools and plugins and the like, that you would never find anywhere else and definitely not at the prices they are offered around here. This forum has resulted in a huge amount of innovation over the last year or two.

      Instead of just stereotyping everyone and everything, you need to look at things a lot more closely. I have been to restaurants before where I found a hair in my food. Does that then mean all restaurants serve hair in their food? I have also been ripped off buying things on eBay before... does that then mean all eBayers are scammers? I think you know the answer...
      I don't exactly get what you mean.
      Did I ever said that all WSO's are useless? I didn't even mention any WSO in my opening post... I was asking and your response is not an answer to my thread... sorry, no offense but please read the very first post first....

      Why would you waste time selling it for $20 and below?
      Please give me a very solid, convincing, and sensible explanation.
      Can anyone honestly say that he made thousands after buying a $20 IM product by just following the steps in that product without extra outside effort?
      Although I put some products into exception, let's hear other warrior's opinions....
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  • Profile picture of the author Andy Fletcher
    My degree will easily be worth several million pounds to me over the course of my life. The price was ~£15,000. Why would they sell me something worth millions for so little?

    Or perhaps a simpler example.

    At the weekend I bought cake mix for £2, went home and baked a cake with it that would've sold in the shop for £10.

    Why would they sell that to me?
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    • Profile picture of the author HN
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      Originally Posted by Andy Fletcher View Post

      My degree will easily be worth several million pounds to me over the course of my life. The price was ~£15,000. Why would they sell me something worth millions for so little?

      Or perhaps a simpler example.

      At the weekend I bought cake mix for £2, went home and baked a cake with it that would've sold in the shop for £10.

      Why would they sell that to me?
      Can you please explain me something. You sell SEO services and can bring every website to top of Google, ( socialbacklinkingblueprint dot com ) but how is it possible that your own website (digiresults) has 5,450 pages indexed and only ranks for 2 keywords
      digi launch pad Position #14 in G (12 searches/mo)
      business leads miner Position #19 (22 searches/mo)
      It receives 0 traffic from Google and yet gets 17,141 daily visitors? So you rely on other sources (affiliates) to sell SEO. You can bring every website to top except yours? You are willing to make everyone else rich but yourself? Or does the 'secret' lay in selling services that didn't work for your own website?
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      • Profile picture of the author curly sue
        If you have a tonne of traffic, you can sell for even $1 and make plenty of money. It depends on the size of your list. Even membership sites below $20 are profitable!
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  • Profile picture of the author Black Hat Cat
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    Originally Posted by Adie View Post

    Why would you waste time selling it for $20 and below?
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    Why would you waste time selling anything that is a waste of time, whether $20 or $2,000?
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  • Profile picture of the author mobydello
    Usually only reasons are 1) it doesn't last or 2) that person someone benefits by you knowing it too, IE you sign up to them under an affiliate network/ CPA and they earn recurring % of what you do for life. That's the only logical reasons I see
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  • Profile picture of the author ambrown31
    The best way to make money is to have a great product that people will tell others about & keep coming back for. Tried plenty of different money making sites but unless you're on the 1st page of google, you'll probably never make enough to retire from.
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  • Profile picture of the author mattverick
    Originally Posted by Adie View Post

    Why would you waste time selling it for $20 and below?
    Please give me a very solid, convincing, and sensible explanation.
    Can anyone honestly say that he made thousands after buying a $20 IM product by just following the steps in that product without extra outside effort?

    Although I put some products into exception, let's hear other warrior's opinions....
    I've always wondered the same thing. But I believe that the answers to this "dilemma" can be various.

    As someone said, there are people willing to give back and people who just want to make money by promising impossible things (and I also feel sorry for those who buy certain prducts).

    Sometimes it is so obvious that certain results promised by certain products are just impossible to achieve, but when people are desperate and want to earn money at any cost they just buy those things without even thinking whether what they are buying is realistically achievable or not.
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    • Profile picture of the author contentwriting360
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      Sometimes it is so obvious that certain results promised by certain products are just impossible to achieve, but when people are desperate and want to earn money at any cost they just buy those things without even thinking whether what they are buying is realistically achievable or not.
      Sooner or later, this tactic of product sellers will not work anymore. Buyers get educated every day.
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      • Profile picture of the author Adie
        Originally Posted by contentwriting360 View Post

        Sooner or later, this tactic of product sellers will not work anymore. Buyers get educated every day.
        maybe yes, but there are always new and innocent people in this world..
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        • Profile picture of the author mattverick
          Originally Posted by Adie View Post

          maybe yes, but there are always new and innocent people in this world..
          True, and as long as those innocent people will be around those impossible products and sales letters will be around too.
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  • Profile picture of the author Horny Devil
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    Originally Posted by Adie View Post

    Why would you waste time selling it for $20 and below?
    Please give me a very solid, convincing, and sensible explanation.
    Can anyone honestly say that he made thousands after buying a $20 IM product by just following the steps in that product without extra outside effort?

    Although I put some products into exception, let's hear other warrior's opinions....

    I agree entirely, and have quite often raised the same argument on WF. Why on earth would anyone who is claiming to make tens of thousands of $$$ a month want to waste their time peddling the information for a few $$$ on forums. It doesn't make sense. Even if you grossed a couple of thousand $$$, I can think of a hundred things I'd rather be doing with both my time and money. A lot of what you read simply isn't true.

    I have a very unique method of pulling in millions of views every month, and subsequently thousands of hits and sales. I'll be blowed if I'd give that information away for $20 or less. Pay me $20k and I might consider it Pay me $100k and you can join me
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  • Profile picture of the author BloggingPro
    Originally Posted by Adie View Post

    Why would you waste time selling it for $20 and below?
    Please give me a very solid, convincing, and sensible explanation.
    Can anyone honestly say that he made thousands after buying a $20 IM product by just following the steps in that product without extra outside effort?

    Although I put some products into exception, let's hear other warrior's opinions....
    So I have a method that makes me $5k a month? Why wouldn't I try to sell it to the masses who would try to follow in my steps? Give them all the tools to succeed and then provide instructions on how to do so?

    Not only would you continue making $5k a month from your already implemented techniques but you would also generate a sizeable income (if your product was good) from sales of the method.

    Let's say you sell 100 copies of your ebook. $20 x 100 = $2000 in extra income I didn't have before, and I tried to help one hundred people to boot!

    It's a win-win if you ask me.

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  • Profile picture of the author visimedia
    Ithink we really can't judge the book from its cover. Some wso was bad but in the most cases they're good, including the low price one.
    MAking money from the system will not 100% work just by following the guide/ ebook alone, I think a bit creativity will take place in your success factor as well.
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  • Profile picture of the author retsced
    A savvy marketer will sell a cracking product for just $20 because they know they will make sales. More sales = more customers. More customers = more repeated sales. It's not rocket science, its clever marketing. You can sell your product for $100 and make a very good return, but you will not be creating raving fans that believe they just got a bargain of a lifetime and stick with you through all your future promotions. Again, this just makes sense. The lifetime value of the customer is far, far more important than that first initial sale. Simple.

    Now, for the WSO's. Yes, they seem to be mostly garbage. The reason is simple. Anyone can create a WSO... anyone. Even with rehashed PLR crap, a person can create a $7 - $17 WSO with absolutely no problems at all. That's why they're rubbish, because most of them are created by wannabe marketers who are just dipping their toes and have yet to make big bucks in this industry. WSO creation seems to be a stepping stone for marketers who have yet to make it online. But, like everything else in life, there are some really good WSO's, not many mind you, and some not so good.

    I bought a great plugin for almost nothing last week and I couldn't be happier with the purchase, however, my experience with WSO's that claim to help you earn money are just rehashed useless garbage... period! I rarely buy them, but once in a while I'll take a look to expand my knowledge in certain areas, but I have to say, not once have I been happy with these kinds of WSO's. I could create one of these crappy eBooks in less than a day without doing any research.

    Just to make it clear though, I'm not saying all WSO sellers are newbs who have yet to make big bucks online, i'm saying 90% of them are
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  • Profile picture of the author Adie
    I only buy a WSO product is it comes from the seller who has been a member of this forum for the past 3 years, has good reputation, and has sensible posts... Of course after checking the potential of his WSO....

    I will not buy from anyone who just joined the forum and purchased membership just to sell his WSO...
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