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PROBLEM With A Warrior - What Would You Do??

by naonline
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Hi All,

Basically, I ordered some articles from someone on the WF and he hasn't delivered. He appears to be a respectable warrior judging by the thanks and responses to his article writing thread.

I have emailed him at his gmail account and 3 times on the here but no response. I have remained polite and diplomatic in all my correspondence.

The articles were due last sunday and I paid upfront.

He has been very active on the forum in the last 24 hours.

What should I do?

Thanks

Nick
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  • Profile picture of the author goldclubmember
    can u expose his name for the benefits of other warriors ? or the name start with 'a' or whatever ...

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  • Profile picture of the author adam123
    gmail mailbox full? I don't think so. Maybe your email go to the spam folder. PMB him and see what happen
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    • Profile picture of the author naonline
      Originally Posted by adam123 View Post

      gmail mailbox full? I don't think so. Maybe your email go to the spam folder. PMB him and see what happen
      I meant his WF mailbox Adam.

      Cheers
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    • Profile picture of the author reynald2790
      I appreciate NAONLINE for not showing the name of the person which he trusted and payed upfront. It is very disgusting to hear about that but NAONLINE still calm. Two thumbs up for NAONLINE for doing that. If ever I had a problem with one of the WARRIOR MEMBER I would just forgive and forget what happen. Because if you try to hurt him in words or in phone you might be accused but the most important thing should do is let us just learn how to forgive and forget about what happen. There will be times that you can find the right person who will serve and give the quality that you like.


      Over all I like NAONLINE for being kind and stay calm on what happen to him.
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  • Profile picture of the author David Raybould
    Hey Nick,

    Sorry that this has happened to you.

    I've had similar experiences and it sure is
    irritating.

    Be aware though that the #1 rule of the WF
    is that other warriors don't get slammed in
    public...so if you "out" this person, the post
    will likely be permanently removed and you could
    lose forum access.

    How did you pay for the articles? I've always solved
    issues like this by launching a paypal dispute...even if
    the paypal dispute doesn't come to anything, it usually
    does the job of getting the person in question to get
    in touch with me soon enough...

    Hope that's helpful buddy...

    David
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  • Profile picture of the author trishia_16
    that is so sad to hear. i hope you can contact him soon. Maybe call him personally if you have some more info about him.
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    • Profile picture of the author Jenni Mac
      Hi Nick

      If you ordered from a WSO or the Warrior for Hire section, then leave a review of the service you've received to date on the thread.

      Just say you're still waiting and hoping that this writer delivers, it might just be the jolt that the writer needs to deliver.
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      • Profile picture of the author nidjo
        I would try to be patient, try posting your problem to this guys WSO, I have never had a bad experience with Warriors, most likely it some kind of mistake.
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  • Profile picture of the author dsmpublishing
    I would post on the warrior replying to the persons thread that you purchased it through and say youve been trying to contact him and have been waited x amount of time for it and needed it asap. If you dont get a decent response back then do a review on it.

    That way your giving him the option to sort it out!
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  • Profile picture of the author absolutelee
    Personally, I would do this through PayPal. If he's about to lose money, that just might get his attention. Also, kudo's to you for not exposing him.
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  • Profile picture of the author naonline
    Thanks for your replies guys. I really believe this is a genuine oversight on his part so I have no intention of naming and shaming.

    Even posting on his thread now would do this.

    I think the paypal dispute might be the best route.

    Thanks again
    Nick
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  • Profile picture of the author activetrader
    PayPal dispute is a way to do. That's what I would do. In fact I had a similar situation recently where I paid for PRL articles that turned out to have come from ezinearticles originally and have been on ezinearticles for a year or so. I have contacted the seller saying I still want articles but I do not want recylced articles that have come from article directories, if he could send me legitimate PRL articles instead and never heard back. I am going to give the person a few days and if I still don't hear from them I will file a dispute.
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  • Profile picture of the author donhutchinson
    Originally Posted by naonline View Post


    I have emailed him at his gmail account and 3 times on the here but no response. I have remained polite and diplomatic in all my correspondence.

    The articles were due last sunday and I paid upfront.
    Hey Nick,
    Full marks for your patience and persistence.
    I would suggest 1) paypal dispute, 2) credit card chargeback.

    I paid $599 to a Warrior who was recommended by another Warrior in a WSO on January 6. We spoke soon after that and he agreed to a refund since his product didn't meet my requirements - and had not been delivered.
    So far so good.
    Since then I can't get ANY response. I have sent numerous emails (double figures) and left loads of voicemails but nothing.
    Nada.
    $599 is a big hit.
    The product has cost him nothing, no download, no work, but he refuses to answer.
    His name is well known here.
    (Shrugs)
    Don
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    • Profile picture of the author naonline
      Originally Posted by donhutchinson View Post

      Hey Nick,
      Full marks for your patience and persistence.
      I would suggest 1) paypal dispute, 2) credit card chargeback.

      I paid $599 to a Warrior who was recommended by another Warrior in a WSO on January 6. We spoke soon after that and he agreed to a refund since his product didn't meet my requirements - and had not been delivered.
      So far so good.
      Since then I can't get ANY response. I have sent numerous emails (double figures) and left loads of voicemails but nothing.
      Nada.
      $599 is a big hit.
      The product has cost him nothing, no download, no work, but he refuses to answer.
      His name is well known here.
      (Shrugs)
      Don
      Ouch!

      Fortunately it's only $40 but it's not the money i'm concerned about, it's the disruption to my marketing plans.
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  • Profile picture of the author Chuck Evans
    The forum rules are spelled out clearly here http://www.warriorforum.com/main-int...ead-first.html

    But I believe if you purchased a WSO however you CAN post in the WSO thread in regard to the product. If that's incorrect someone please clarify.

    You can also send to the helpdesk - http://www.warriorforum.com/warrior-...pport-com.html

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  • Profile picture of the author Droopy Dawg
    Hey Nick I hope you get that taken care of... I know that some article writers take longer than others, but if you two agreed on a deadline then there's no excuse.

    Good luck man...

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  • Profile picture of the author donhutchinson
    Nick,
    Hopefully the fact you've logged a dispute with PP will open up dialogue and resolve the issue soon. Good luck,
    Don
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  • Profile picture of the author jhn2001
    Just post the url of this thread to his mail or may be to the other thread that he must have started here .I am sure he will not cheat you .
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    • Profile picture of the author Steven Wagenheim
      Okay, maybe I'm just a low grade moron, but it you ordered a service from
      this section of the forum...

      Warriors For Hire - Programmers, Website Designers, Graphic Artists

      Why not just go to the thread where you ordered it from and say, "Hey,
      where are my articles?"

      If you get no response, since this is directly related to the forum, as is a
      WSO or anything posted here, then simply report the thread to the help desk
      and if Allen gets no response from the person he will then take whatever
      action he feels is appropriate.

      This isn't rocket science.

      I'm sorry if this sounds like a rant, but why can't people think for themselves?

      Sometimes this place reminds me of when I was a kid and the kids around
      town would go crying to their mommy to ask them what to do about the
      bully around the corner.

      Today, as an adult, you'd simply call the damn cops. What's there to think
      about?

      Anyway, that's what I would do
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      • Profile picture of the author Kim Standerline
        Stephen

        You beat me to it

        Absolutely no reason for the OP not to go back to the thread and report he hasn't responded etc.

        In fact its his duty to do so, so that more people don't shell out money. (And of course it can be done courteously, well to start with anyway)

        Originally Posted by Steven Wagenheim View Post


        This isn't rocket science.

        I'm sorry if this sounds like a rant, but why can't people think for themselves?
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      • Profile picture of the author naonline
        Originally Posted by Steven Wagenheim View Post


        Warriors For Hire - Programmers, Website Designers, Graphic Artists

        Why not just go to the thread where you ordered it from and say, "Hey,
        where are my articles?"
        I have - TWICE!
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      • Profile picture of the author Kevin AKA Hubcap
        Originally Posted by Steven Wagenheim View Post

        Okay, maybe I'm just a low grade moron, but it you ordered a service from
        this section of the forum...
        Steven

        As opposed to a high or mid grade moron?

        LOL
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        • Profile picture of the author Steven Wagenheim
          Originally Posted by Kevin AKA Hubcap View Post

          Steven

          As opposed to a high or mid grade moron?

          LOL
          There are definitely varying kinds.

          I won't go into the details as to how you can tell the difference.

          Maybe I'll save that explanation for my blog.
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        • Profile picture of the author Kay King
          Well now the high and mighty have spoken, I better report the thread.
          It's a bit late to say "shouldn't have" paid - I agree. However, you've posted several times here yet posted politely in his thread.

          You did post twice in the thread but one just said "pm'd you" and was before the articles were due. The second post was very polite - perhaps too polite.

          I'd post there loud and clear that you paid for article and didn't receive them - that your attempts to contact him have gone unanswered - and that you have filed a paypal dispute about it.

          I see that offer has now been listed as "no new clients" - but there's no excuse for placing an ad and not filling all the orders. His posts seem to indicate all orders were filled.

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  • Profile picture of the author n7 Studios
    Originally Posted by naonline View Post

    The articles were due last sunday and I paid upfront.
    Lesson learnt then. Whether it's $40 or $4,000, never pay upfront. Pay a deposit, pay along the way, whatever - just never pay upfront.

    Hope you get this resolved. There may be a genuine reason.

    All the best.
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    Well now the high and mighty have spoken, I better report the thread.
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    • Profile picture of the author Steven Wagenheim
      Originally Posted by naonline View Post

      Well now the high and mighty have spoken, I better report the thread.
      Okay, I've done a little investigating. I won't go into details here but I
      think there is a logical explanation for this.

      Don't do anything for the next 24 hours. If you've already put in a PayPal
      dispute, fine. But I have a feeling I can get this cleared up by tomorrow
      unless there is something very wrong.

      Just sit tight.
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      • Profile picture of the author naonline
        Originally Posted by Steven Wagenheim View Post

        Okay, I've done a little investigating. I won't go into details here but I
        think there is a logical explanation for this.

        Don't do anything for the next 24 hours. If you've already put in a PayPal
        dispute, fine. But I have a feeling I can get this cleared up by tomorrow
        unless there is something very wrong.

        Just sit tight.
        Thank you Steven. The intention of this thread was to try and resolve this without exposing the Warrior or 'calling the damn cops'

        Innocent until proven guilty and all that.
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        • Profile picture of the author JustaWizard
          My 2 cents for what it's worth is give the warrior the benefit of the doubt and evaluate only after your product is delivered and don't speculate, get the "facts" as they are presented and go from there.

          Hope that's helpful; it's just that time and again when I start running scenarios in my mind, it's often not helpful, and then the facts come out and nothing matched my scenarios.

          Best,
          David
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          • Profile picture of the author naonline
            Originally Posted by JustaWizard View Post

            My 2 cents for what it's worth is give the warrior the benefit of the doubt and evaluate only after your product is delivered and don't speculate, get the "facts" as they are presented and go from there.

            Hope that's helpful; it's just that time and again when I start running scenarios in my mind, it's often not helpful, and then the facts come out and nothing matched my scenarios.

            Best,
            David
            You're right David, but I was promised the articles 6 days ago and I've had no correspondence from the writer and I've seen him on here several times.
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  • Profile picture of the author jayden.fellze
    I hope you could really find justice with what you have experienced. i think we dont deserve such act. those persons that are for hire should also be able to establish integrity so they won't be able to make damages like this.
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  • Profile picture of the author InternetMarketingCenter
    You're handling this in a really classy way -- that's something that will really add to your positive reputation here and elsewhere online.
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  • Profile picture of the author valerieSONORA
    If he has been active here on the WF after your articles were already due, he could be using that time to write the articles or give you a refund.

    Sometimes things happen like loss of internet, computer problems, hospitalization, but if he's been posting you know that's not the case.

    PM him here on the WF.

    If no response, go to his threads and ask him where are my articles? They're late.

    Also, there is a name and shame wall started by Mmurtha. I can't remember the url, ask Mary Murtha for the URL.

    The #1 rule does NOT apply there.
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  • Profile picture of the author perfecthomebuz
    This is so sad. Whoever the person is should please respond ASAP, don't let us spoil this wonderful family or take it to a point where we begin to suspect each other. It will do us no good at all.

    Let the product be deliver or the money refunded. I know the person is probably reading this also.

    I commend Naonline for handling the case in such a mature way. Refer him to this thread in case he is not already reading, so he could see what people are saying about him.

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      Contrary with my experience, I got client that didn't give the service that he had promised after I wrote his sales letter(link building service). But well that's life.
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  • Profile picture of the author naonline
    Ok, we have a full explanation, apology and offer of a refund.

    Writer ticked off for poor communication but sh*t happens!

    Thank you all for your input.

    Nick
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    • Profile picture of the author Dan Riffle
      Don't let your guard down just yet. I've had two instances in which I purchased writing services where the writer didn't come through either at all or at the expected level of service.

      In both instances I was offered a full refund. Only they never came. Numerous excuses were give, but both situations ended up with me filing Paypal disputes. Both were won, by the way.

      If I recall correctly, you opened a Paypal dispute. Keep it open! Don't close it just because he said he'd refund you.


      Originally Posted by naonline View Post

      Ok, we have a full explanation, apology and offer of a refund.

      Writer ticked off for poor communication but sh*t happens!

      Thank you all for your input.

      Nick
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  • Profile picture of the author Steadyon
    Once you get your money back, you can expose him and then we can all tar and feather him and slap him around a bit.

    Then we can put him in the stocks and force him to read a book on javascript. That'll teach him - the bass turd.
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    steady on Steadyon!
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  • Profile picture of the author donhutchinson
    Nick, glad it looks like it's being resolved.
    Cheers,
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  • Profile picture of the author Clark
    Originally Posted by Steadyon View Post

    Once you get your money back, you can expose him and then we can all tar and feather him and slap him around a bit.

    Then we can put him in the stocks and force him to read a book on javascript. That'll teach him - the bass turd.
    He already has exposed him and completely disregarded rule #1 of this forum.

    I don't know either party however, my impression of the accused & publicly convicted person (whom I found through my own due diligence via breadcrumb trail left in this thread) is to stay far away from them in a business sense as well, avoid any and all forum posts from them.... and to be honest, I'll stay far away from the whistle blower too as well as those in their extended network for reasons that are blatantly obvious in the way they handle their personal problems.

    That's unfair to me 'cause my impression of the accused person now has been tainted via uncontested social proof statements and also unfair to the person who was tarred and feathered without having the chance to offer up their side of the dispute which, should have remained outside of the forum - see rule #1 again.

    Perception is reality and "optics" count for everything especially when your brand is YOU when selling IM solutions to marketers so, the damage this thread can cause to the accused/convicted may very well be far reaching even though the intent may not have been to destroy their reputation and business in a hasty post on the #1 IM forum.

    Something to think about for those with a conscience and/or believe in Karma.
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    • Profile picture of the author Steven Wagenheim
      Nick, glad it all got sorted out. I knew there was a logical explanation for
      what had gone down.

      Always get the facts before you start throwing stones folks.
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      • Profile picture of the author naonline
        Originally Posted by Steven Wagenheim View Post

        Nick, glad it all got sorted out. I knew there was a logical explanation for
        what had gone down.

        Always get the facts before you start throwing stones folks.
        Thanks Steven, I would like to think I tried to get to the bottom of it and didn't throw any sticks.

        It may only be a handful of articles but this could have cost me 100's of subscribers of 1000's of dollars/pounds.

        In business deadlines are critical and time is money.

        I began this thread by asking for advice when I thought I had exhausted all other avenues. What followed was out of my control and was it was never my intention to tarnish the reputation of the writer.

        I firmly believe he is reputable and honest.
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  • Profile picture of the author rsteadm2
    Hi NAONLINE,

    I had the same exact thing happen to me with a couple of short reports for $79 each.

    Heard from them a few times..they'll be ready tomorrow evening, they'll be ready by next Tuesday, My computer crashed... and then no more repsonse.

    Please let us know how you come out when this is all settled.

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    Sorry to hear about this one man.

    Well, these are situations that really happens and can't be avoided. We don't have the control of this stuff. I was glad that you faced this situation right and calm.
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  • Profile picture of the author helpmePPC
    If it was the Ultimate Warrior I would run.

    But in your case I would force the issue. If he's posting on here and avoiding you you have to do something. I've been in business for many years (not IM) and I've learned you have to confront people but give them the benefit of the doubt.
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    I am definately faairly new to the im niche although im coming up on a year...In that 1 year time (my other businesses offline) ..I have been stiffed 3 times 1st $18325.00 2nd $5,000.3rd $1500. just 3 weeks ago..And let me tell you something ,It always happens at precisely the wrong time .And it always takes a piece of you with the money..I have seen and heard every single trick in the book and believe me over the years i have learned to spot these people in just a couple words or acouple of meetings ..I will always stay very far away from this type of person and will always spot them a mile away....There is no need for this type of disregard in the world .If only every one would just answer the email or phone call on a timely manner especially if there was absolutely no foul play intended...My future in the electrical business will hopefully be short lived ..My new found future hopefully will be solely based on Internet Marketing...
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