What Point Do You Know Its Time To Quit

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Hi all

Well i have been in Im Doing afiiliate marketing for 2 years and well i have
had no real success think i have made about $400 this year, but even thats no profit considering the wso products/domains etc purchased.
I spend from 8am till 4am online 7 days a week so its not like i dont work at it but i just seem to gain absolutley nothing dont seem to get anywhere.
and its now at the point its realy starting to drag me down end up getting depressed/stressed whatever you want to label it.

I don't want to quit IM'ing some days despite not earning a penny most of the time, i realy enjoy it but its at the point where i need to be earning.
i have already canceled some hosting accounts and aweber this month
not that aweber matters as i have huge list of about 20 people, was 100 for 1 day while they download there free stuff and then unsubscribed.

(Note I DON'T want Freebies) im only looking for Some Genuine Advice

So the question Im realy asking is:

Is there away i can figure out what the hell im doing wrong and make it work?

or
Should i just admit that IM is not for me and give up?



Thankyou to those who take the time to give advice..

Regards
Ian
#point #quit #time
  • Profile picture of the author Nics
    It's never time to quit. Answer me this...do you follow one method only and are you spending all you time on that one method only?
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  • Profile picture of the author Adie
    I never felt like quitting... I just lose focus but not totally quitting...
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  • Profile picture of the author JayParker
    You got to focus on the basic principles of IM success. If you are selling information focus on building the first 1,500 subscribers to your email list. Understand traffic generation and send it to your squeeze page. Then create a relationship with your subscribers and promote quality products, then you are going to profit. You need to focus on one business model first and more if you are starting with limited resources. Focus on one traffic generation, send them to your squeeze page and focus on those thousand subscribers, then provide them with value and monetize the list. Rinse and repeat. Focus is key.
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    • Profile picture of the author Haste
      Originally Posted by JayParker View Post

      You got to focus on the basic principles of IM success. If you are selling information focus on building the first 1,500 subscribers to your email list. Understand traffic generation and send it to your squeeze page. Then create a relationship with your subscribers and promote quality products, then you are going to profit. You need to focus on one business model first and more if you are starting with limited resources. Focus on one traffic generation, send them to your squeeze page and focus on those thousand subscribers, then provide them with value and monetize the list. Rinse and repeat. Focus is key.
      Jay - Love this! I think so often people get spread to thin with the next new thing... steady movement forward and realizing that this isn't an overnight processes is the key!
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    • Profile picture of the author Ericparke
      Originally Posted by JayParker View Post

      You got to focus on the basic principles of IM success. If you are selling information focus on building the first 1,500 subscribers to your email list. Understand traffic generation and send it to your squeeze page. Then create a relationship with your subscribers and promote quality products, then you are going to profit. You need to focus on one business model first and more if you are starting with limited resources. Focus on one traffic generation, send them to your squeeze page and focus on those thousand subscribers, then provide them with value and monetize the list. Rinse and repeat. Focus is key.
      You said it well J Parker
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  • Profile picture of the author sdentrepreneur
    Internet Marketing isn't made for everyone....it takes a certain mindset and desire to be an entrepreneur. I would suggest looking at something other than affiliate marketing. I know many people doing very well with direct sales, network marketing and offline marketing.
    Good luck !!
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  • Profile picture of the author sbucciarel
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    Working for yourself isn't for everyone, but if you're not having any success at affiliate marketing, why don't you try the hundreds of other things to build an online business?

    I don't do affiliate marketing. Don't have much interest in promoting other people's products, but I've made a full time living online for over 12 years.
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  • Profile picture of the author vCr8
    I don't quit... But I do try different alternatives... Affiliate marketing is not tailored for everyone... If it did not work out for you for 2years, well clearly you have done something wrong here... Analyze the methods you have used and tweak it... Give it a different variation and check your progress. If it still doesn't work out well for you, then...I guess you can try to look at different ways to earn a living online.
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  • Reality fact: entrepreneurship (online or offline) is not for everyone, and NOT everybody is cut out for it.

    Sometimes, the most important factor for a general (or an entrepreneurship) is to realize when you're engaged in a hopeless battle and the best decision is simply to retreat.

    If you feel that you're indeed fighting a hopeless battle, there's nothing wrong in quitting and searching for greener pastures.
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  • Profile picture of the author gcbmark20
    You need to be focusing on building your list 100% of the time.

    You said you had a list of about 20.

    It needs to be in the 1000's as it can be a sheer numbers game but if you are providing quality and usable information that your list can use and implement and get results then they will be begging you to send the next message to them.

    It can be as hard or simple as one wants it to be.

    1. Build your list

    2. Consistently give quality content to your list (Extremely high quality)

    3. Make subtle offers to your list without over pitching or making it look like you are trying to sell on them.

    I have more information below and I will email you once a week with quality information when you sign up to my list

    All the best and hope you find success in the near future!
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    • Profile picture of the author bloggerd
      Hi thanks for th info just signed up for list building report.
      and may now concentrate on building a list rarther than spending the time try to promote products.

      Thanks
      Ian
      QUOTE=gcbmark20;6722149]You need to be focusing on building your list 100% of the time.

      You said you had a list of about 20.

      It needs to be in the 1000's as it can be a sheer numbers game but if you are providing quality and usable information that your list can use and implement and get results then they will be begging you to send the next message to them.

      It can be as hard or simple as one wants it to be.

      1. Build your list

      2. Consistently give quality content to your list (Extremely high quality)

      3. Make subtle offers to your list without over pitching or making it look like you are trying to sell on them.

      I have more information below and I will email you once a week with quality information when you sign up to my list

      All the best and hope you find success in the near future![/QUOTE]
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    • Profile picture of the author Barry Huddleston
      Originally Posted by gcbmark20 View Post

      You need to be focusing on building your list 100% of the time.

      You said you had a list of about 20.

      It needs to be in the 1000's as it can be a sheer numbers game but if you are providing quality and usable information that your list can use and implement and get results then they will be begging you to send the next message to them.

      It can be as hard or simple as one wants it to be.

      1. Build your list

      2. Consistently give quality content to your list (Extremely high quality)

      3. Make subtle offers to your list without over pitching or making it look like you are trying to sell on them.

      I have more information below and I will email you once a week with quality information when you sign up to my list

      All the best and hope you find success in the near future!
      I agree. If a person focuses on building a list and creating value for your list then you will get there.

      Most of the time when a person is ready to quit is the time they are going to be successful.
      I have been doing it for over 2 years now and have a list of 239. That was developed in the last 2 months. I'm at the point to where I know I'm going to succeed.

      The biggest thing that makes people fail is failure to take action and of course stay with one method. I have 2 methods really building products (releasing a WSO Aug 13 2012) and list building. But they go hand in hand. I build a list as I sell my product. Then I have a list of buyers to send my next product to or recommend other products.
      I have stuck with these 2 methods and I'm approaching my breakthrough. It's tough I know. I don't buy one click software's anymore. I buy products that will help me succeed like screen capture software and a war room membership here, so I can release WSO's. I plan to have enough of them that I will be always on top with at least one of them after I bump.
      I watched a webinar and essentially you have potential, action,results and certainty.
      We all have potential, but what we need to focus on is action, and less on results. If you focus on the results the less chance you are of getting good results. But here is the kicker we need to know it's working. So most of us log in daily and look to see if we made money.
      Here is a solution. Go to what ever account you have made some money in and if it's been a while go back to that sale date and make screen capture of it and set it on your desk top. Then print out a copy and stick it in your work space.
      I still have a copy of my first Clickbank check. It took months to compile $165
      so then you have certainty (getting back to the formula) every time you look at that check or commission you know you can do it because you already have.
      How did you get that commission? Can you do that over and over? Can it be outsourced?
      Stick to that method and it will work for you, just ramp it up.
      The list building model is for me and is working, I just need to increase the size of my snowball to get going down the hill.
      Cheers and here is to your success.
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  • Profile picture of the author bloggerd
    Thankyou for all your comments.
    not sure what to do yet as i dont wan to quit but cant continue down this path
    I'm going to try an take another look an try and see if i can come up with a good action plan to start from and see if that helps and just take step back for and take a break from the sites and try some brainstorming and just have a rest and see if the i can can get the fire back in me to keep plugin away, as i realy hate giving up and hate failure

    Thanks agin for your comments everyone
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  • Profile picture of the author Chri5123
    To answer your question:

    You decide!

    If you are ready to quit then it is up to you however I can guarantee you won't get anywhere quitting.

    You say:

    "I spend from 8am till 4am online 7 days a week so its not like i dont work at it but i just seem to gain absolutley nothing dont seem to get anywhere."

    This is a big problem because I have spoken to a lot of people about this and it is easy to fall into just doing "things" and then thinking why isn't this working I have worked my ass off!

    You need to take FOCUSED action toward one goal to start off with.

    Firstly what are your targets?

    Secondly what EXACTLY have you done thus far?

    Once you narrow down keep on going and ask for specific help as you go along and you will do better.
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    • Profile picture of the author cashp0wer
      If you quit you won't become successful, right? You said you've made $400 - are you doing the same thing over and over? Maybe it's time to change some things around a little bit to see what happens.
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  • Profile picture of the author Brad Gosse
    If you been doing this for 2 years and you only made $400 this year, quitting is probably a really good idea for you.

    My real question to you is this. How you sustain the necessities of life on $400 annually?
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  • The fact you say you spent $400 on WSO's this year given the price they go at means you've spent money on over 10 WSO's! This means you aren't focusing on just one thing

    I say focus on one of the following, and I don't care what anyone says that most WSO's are one of these explained differently:

    1. Services, here, fiverr, outsourcing websites or other popular forums

    Find a service you can do quickly and that has good demand.

    Find others who can do the service for cheap and resell it for more elsewhere and just focus on getting 1-5 sales per day (to begin with)

    2. Find an info product in a green niche and then focus on building your list (forums, media buying, jv, ppc, solo ads). I didn't mention SEO because the only time you begin to see results is when you rank for something, whilst the above you have some control over.

    3. If you go the adsense or product review route then you're going to have to focus heavily on SEO or find a very cheap way to do paid advertising.

    4. Focus on a certain niche, as broad as possible and then build up a site with content and social activity. This will take time, between 6-12 months or longer (usually), and eventually you'll see opportunities to then start monetizing the traffic. (by this I mean just creating a huge authority site within a niche such as betting, camping, football, parenting etc..)

    5. Do any of the above but with paid methods and tweak it until it profits.

    Pick one, do it for 3 months, if you got no results, personally I'd give up.
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  • Profile picture of the author hagendazz07
    Hey bloggerd, i'm sad to hear that you're thinking of quiting the game.

    First I would disregard the comments saying that IM isn't for everyone, because obviously if you were able to do it for 2 years on a consistent basis I would say that you have the right profile.

    Next, I would change the landing page of your signature link. I see that you're using the generate theme and yet you aren't collecting leads which is specifically what the generate theme was built for --> Sondages Cadeaux.

    Maybe if you specify what niche you're in or what's your goal as an IM the community could help you in a more precise way.

    Hope that helps
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  • Profile picture of the author mosthost
    Here's what you're doing wrong.

    1) Your focused on your own needs.
    2) You aren't solving anyone's problems.
    3) You are too interested in 'selling people'.

    Quit thinking about 'marketing' all the time. Get social on the major social networks. Make friends. Listen to what they need help with and then come up with solutions.
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  • Profile picture of the author Bert7070
    bloggerd hang in there. for one i think you need to once a month look at your work for the month and figure out what you are doing wrong and what you are doing right. feel free to drop me a line i can mentor you and help you on that and get you to the right place.

    i started with affilate marketing when i was about 13 years old and with google ads both where huge huge failures made about $40 on all combined in about 10 years well i didn't work on it full time but i did have that dream it would work.

    it only started working in the last i would say 2 years when i started understanding a few key things (probably trade secrets) and when i started to really document what strategies i do i would monitor them more closely and tweak I'm not the best affiliate marketer by no means but each month i'm making 5-10% more then a did the month before now i'm around the $500 a month. and i know its only going to get better - but it took a while and the biggest thing was smart stratagy and learning from mistakes. more importantly ignoring the people that publish ideas as most of the times its just a way to get money out of you or for you to waist your time on doing something that doesn't work its about you building your own strategy and making good friends that you can bounce ideas of of them.

    I'm lucky as i work full time for a company that is in education and has a affiliate program so I'm learning from them a lot and teaching them in the process and i make a base salary on top of the affiliate stuff.

    drop me a line if you want to chat about it i can learn from you you can learn from me and so on...

    p.s i like your post @mosthost
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  • Profile picture of the author KEKilpatrick
    "What Point Do You Know Its Time To Quit?"

    When your dead.

    Might seem overly simple but that's my answer. Now if you were asking when to start looking at another way of making money online I would say: When you know that you've tried everything possible to make the path you have chosen profitable and it still isn't working.

    I failed miserably at working in a call center but I can configure the equipment quite successfully.
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    • Profile picture of the author fin
      Sounds like you're chasing money online.

      Imagine 2 years ago if you started a blog in a niche you were passionate about. You'd have hundreds of posts by now and a lot of traffic. You'd have been around so long giving people great results that they would trust you enough to buy from you.

      If you just jump from mini-niche site to mini-niche site using different tactics I could see how you haven't made progress.

      I'd start 1 thing now you know will make you money and work on it non-stop.
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      • Profile picture of the author dadadada
        Originally Posted by fin View Post

        Sounds like you're chasing money online.

        Imagine 2 years ago if you started a blog in a niche you were passionate about. You'd have hundreds of posts by now and a lot of traffic. You'd have been around so long giving people great results that they would trust you enough to buy from you.

        If you just jump from mini-niche site to mini-niche site using different tactics I could see how you haven't made progress.

        I'd start 1 thing now you know will make you money and work on it non-stop.
        This is true. I have a hobby blog which is one year old, and is free hosted on blogspot. This blog gets me more visitors (who love the blog!) than SEO optimized "commercial" blogs. I am too rethinking the idea of commercialized sites, and instead thinking of building my own online community and writing a book to sell to my visitors instead of promoting over-hyped stuff off clickbank.
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        • Profile picture of the author fin
          Originally Posted by dadadada View Post

          This is true. I have a hobby blog which is one year old, and is free hosted on blogspot. This blog gets me more visitors (who love the blog!) than SEO optimized "commercial" blogs. I am too rethinking the idea of commercialized sites, and instead thinking of building my own online community and writing a book to sell to my visitors instead of promoting over-hyped stuff off clickbank.
          Yeah, I think if you start the blog with a specific product/future product in mind, then if you can build an active community it could be quite profitable and lots of fun.
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  • Profile picture of the author paul nicholls
    Ian, what exactly are you doing for all those hours during the day?

    there are 2 types of things you can work on:

    time wasting tasks

    such as - looking at wso`s, sales pages, products, buying new stuff, facebook, skype, checking emails, texting etc etc

    and there are business building tasks

    such as:

    creating content for blogs, creating value in your market place, building business relationships, educating yourself, creating videos, creating products, building your list, split testing, tweaking, tracking

    now which one do you do? i will be amazed if it`s the 2nd one if you are not seeing any results

    you need to focus on 1 method and nothing else until you se results, if your not seeing results then keep at it until you do

    paul
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    • Profile picture of the author bloggerd
      Hi Paul
      yes must admit i do get distracted at times on the wso thread, facebook etc..

      Im ditching the affiliate Marketing side and just going to concentrate on one niche blog & Building my list and learning rarther than trying to dive in an trying to sell affiliate products...


      Should i delete all the affilaite junk from my current blog IE:review post etc and start from 0 post's in the one niche i decide to target or should i keep the current post's?

      Regards
      Ian
      Originally Posted by paul nicholls View Post

      Ian, what exactly are you doing for all those hours during the day?

      there are 2 types of things you can work on:

      time wasting tasks

      such as - looking at wso`s, sales pages, products, buying new stuff, facebook, skype, checking emails, texting etc etc

      and there are business building tasks

      such as:

      creating content for blogs, creating value in your market place, building business relationships, educating yourself, creating videos, creating products, building your list, split testing, tweaking, tracking

      now which one do you do? i will be amazed if it`s the 2nd one if you are not seeing any results

      you need to focus on 1 method and nothing else until you se results, if your not seeing results then keep at it until you do

      paul
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      • Profile picture of the author Joey Evans
        If you have read 'Think and Grow Rich', the first experience of failure was stopping 3 feet from a gold seam...if he had just kept on digging...

        Anyway, don't give up...you've found one way not to make it work. Edison tried 10,000 times before he succeeded.

        Just keep on trying...park the affiliate stuff and look at Paul's advice.

        The only other thing is mentoring. If you can afford it...do it! I use a guy on here...joefizz. Look him up.
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        • Profile picture of the author bloggerd
          Thanks will check him out and the book
          Originally Posted by Joey Evans View Post

          If you have read 'Think and Grow Rich', the first experience of failure was stopping 3 feet from a gold seam...if he had just kept on digging...

          Anyway, don't give up...you've found one way not to make it work. Edison tried 10,000 times before he succeeded.

          Just keep on trying...park the affiliate stuff and look at Paul's advice.

          The only other thing is mentoring. If you can afford it...do it! I use a guy on here...joefizz. Look him up.
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    • Profile picture of the author Walter Parrish
      Originally Posted by paul nicholls View Post

      Ian, what exactly are you doing for all those hours during the day?

      there are 2 types of things you can work on:

      time wasting tasks

      such as - looking at wso`s, sales pages, products, buying new stuff, facebook, skype, checking emails, texting etc etc

      and there are business building tasks

      such as:

      creating content for blogs, creating value in your market place, building business relationships, educating yourself, creating videos, creating products, building your list, split testing, tweaking, tracking

      now which one do you do? i will be amazed if it`s the 2nd one if you are not seeing any results

      you need to focus on 1 method and nothing else until you se results, if your not seeing results then keep at it until you do

      paul
      wso's could fall under the second category. i go over wso's daily to see if their something my list and sites might be interested in. if so then i will do the offer through warriorplus
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  • Profile picture of the author Walter Parrish
    Originally Posted by bloggerd View Post

    Hi all

    Well i have been in Im Doing afiiliate marketing for 2 years and well i have
    had no real success think i have made about $400 this year, but even thats no profit considering the wso products/domains etc purchased.
    I spend from 8am till 4am online 7 days a week so its not like i dont work at it but i just seem to gain absolutley nothing dont seem to get anywhere.
    and its now at the point its realy starting to drag me down end up getting depressed/stressed whatever you want to label it.

    I don't want to quit IM'ing some days despite not earning a penny most of the time, i realy enjoy it but its at the point where i need to be earning.
    i have already canceled some hosting accounts and aweber this month
    not that aweber matters as i have huge list of about 20 people, was 100 for 1 day while they download there free stuff and then unsubscribed.

    (Note I DON'T want Freebies) im only looking for Some Genuine Advice

    So the question Im realy asking is:

    Is there away i can figure out what the hell im doing wrong and make it work?

    or
    Should i just admit that IM is not for me and give up?



    Thankyou to those who take the time to give advice..

    Regards
    Ian
    Give me as much detail as to what you have already done. maybe, a few links to your sites as well, squeeze pages, sales pages, etc.
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  • Profile picture of the author mosthost
    You only quit when you decide you can live with being a loser.

    Otherwise you'll be haunted by your failure!
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  • Profile picture of the author Randall Magwood
    What does your marketing strategy consist of? You probably shouldn't quit. If you think long term about it... you could wind up making some good retirement money from your website business.
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    • Profile picture of the author Walter Parrish
      Originally Posted by Randall Magwood View Post

      What does your marketing strategy consist of? You probably shouldn't quit. If you think long term about it... you could wind up making some good retirement money from your website business.
      true indeed. seems like he has all the tools to make some good money with a few changes. i've been reading on here where some folks saying they haven't made any money in 3 years.
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  • Profile picture of the author Robert Bridgen
    To be honest I have been in the same boat everything I done cost money and no results. So I sat down and decided to not spent out untill I got some idea of what i was doing I went on 3 courses and still found it hard. I then said forget the list lets start from the basics I got some advise from John Thornhill and his friend Dave and decided to try again I am on clickbank and been with the warrior forum for just over a year but on the spending side and now i decided to advertise. I am making small amounts now and intend to build on it. Keep in your save mode is my advise find out what is selling and try to do the same It will come. Myself I have been a business man for many years but the internet was a new ball game Do not give in just take your time and do more research. Hope this helps.
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  • Profile picture of the author therichb
    No IM will think of quitting ever !!!

    If you have word hard in the past, your work will follow & will give you best available means to keep flowing money in your account anyhow....

    Hard work always pay but takes time to get in real. So dont lose hope for creating your own identity in the market, a day will come which will be your own
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  • Profile picture of the author Rod Cortez
    Originally Posted by bloggerd View Post

    Hi all

    Well i have been in Im Doing afiiliate marketing for 2 years and well i have
    had no real success think i have made about $400 this year, but even thats no profit considering the wso products/domains etc purchased.
    I spend from 8am till 4am online 7 days a week so its not like i dont work at it but i just seem to gain absolutley nothing dont seem to get anywhere.
    and its now at the point its realy starting to drag me down end up getting depressed/stressed whatever you want to label it.

    I don't want to quit IM'ing some days despite not earning a penny most of the time, i realy enjoy it but its at the point where i need to be earning.
    i have already canceled some hosting accounts and aweber this month
    not that aweber matters as i have huge list of about 20 people, was 100 for 1 day while they download there free stuff and then unsubscribed.

    (Note I DON'T want Freebies) im only looking for Some Genuine Advice

    So the question Im realy asking is:

    Is there away i can figure out what the hell im doing wrong and make it work?

    or
    Should i just admit that IM is not for me and give up?



    Thankyou to those who take the time to give advice..

    Regards
    Ian
    Well, $400 for two years of work.....the answer is pretty obvious. You're working on things that aren't making you money. Of course, that might sound silly but think about it for a moment. To make more money you need to sell more products or services that are yours or someone elses.

    At $200 per year, that means you're not selling enough. You need to focus on the following with laser-like precision:

    So ask yourself, what things do you REALLY need to focus on to ensure that you're SELLING more?

    1. You need a viable product / service mix. Even if you just want to buy traffic and send it to CB and CPA offers, you still need to have a solid mix. I know one six figure monthly earner who has a product mix of over 2,000 products.

    I've seen posts in this forum where people advise newbies to only focus on marketing one product. Maybe that's fine for the first 30-90 days, but usually it's better off to start off promoting a handful, as long as they compliment one another.

    2. You need TRAFFIC. Figure out what you need to do to get more of it.

    3. You need to CONVERT that traffic. What's your sales process and/or PRE-sales process like? Are you in a market that is responsive to list-building? (Most are).

    Can your sales copy and/or video copy be improved? Does your marketing funnel consistently make sales?

    4. You need to PROMOTE your business. This goes hand-in-hand with #2. When people come to me with their business woes, one of the first things I ask them is:

    "What 3 or 4 things have you done today to promote your business?"

    If you can't answer that in the positive consistently, then you're not focusing on the right things. You should be promoting your business BEFORE checking your e-mails, updating your accounting books, responding to non-urgent customer inquiries....etc....


    5. You need to pay attention to what's NOT working and what IS working. Translation: you need to TRACK where your traffic is coming from and see if it converts. Otherwise you're just spinning your wheels.

    6. Start off with one project at a time. If you're spread to thin before you've developed the acumen and knowledge to multi-task, you're only going to end up making another $400 in then next two years. You need to build momentum in your business first. So for those of you that keep buying WSOs, it's time to stop buying them. If you're looking for a faster, better way to do something chances are you're not going to find it.

    Making money is actually quite simple, yet the way our minds work it tends to over-complicate things. If you can focus on one thing at a time, your chances of success go through the roof.

    In your case you might need some coaching to give you direction.

    RoD
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  • Profile picture of the author acebingo2006
    take a break from it and come back with a fresh perspective
    do your fav hobby/activity
    look for an offline job
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  • Do not quit! as the saying goes "Winners always win and quitter never wins"

    Take a break and think if you are on the right path, if you think that this is your forte then do not quit keep working until you succeed. Best of Luck!
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    • Profile picture of the author capitalalchemy
      What were those things that made you $400? figure that out, isolate them, study them and scale them up. Duplicate them, and that's not garbage. That's what helped me. You need to milk it! reinvest, get more project/offers out there, nurture the ones that perform and keep going.
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  • Profile picture of the author travlinguy
    As has been mentioned several times, Internet marketing isn't for everyone. People telling you to stay with it mean well but what's the point if you're not happy and not making money?

    Why not get a job? A job you really hate. A job you hate so much that every time you go to it you get a queasy feeling in your gut and want to puke. Stay with that job for six months or so. Stay with it long enough so you'll want to come back to IM.

    Then come back and watch what happens. It's called perspective. You'll figure out how to make IM work because you'll so much dread having to go back to that job you hate. Try it. Then, if you can't make IM work, it means you aren't cut out for business and marketing. The good news is, you'll be a lot closer to what you are supposed to be doing.

    Everyone has something they're good at. The trick to life is figuring out what that is. A sucky job can help to get you pointed in the right direction. Good luck.
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  • Profile picture of the author Black Hat Cat
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    Originally Posted by bloggerd View Post

    Ian
    Why don't you follow the link in your sig?

    I spend from 8am till 4am online 7 days a week so its not like i dont work at it but i just seem to gain absolutley nothing dont seem to get anywhere.

    Ian
    Being online 20 hours a day and working online 20 hours a day aren't the same thing. What exactly are you doing during those 20 hours a day? I kind of find that hard to believe anyway. That's 140 hours a week. You'd be dead after a month, lol.

    Anyway, give us some specifics. What do you do every day for 20 hours a day? If we know that, we might be able to give you some constructive advice. Otherwise, all you're likely to get is a bunch of feel good "don't quit, keep at it, blah blah" nonsense.
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    • Profile picture of the author bloggerd
      I have trouble sleeping have done for over 9 years since leaving the forces so yes i am online 20 hours a day give or take fag break an brew breaks etc iv no need to lie about how long im online not like i have anything to brag about after all them hours... but yes i do get distracted and end up on fb or something like that so no im not working for the full 20 hours every single day,anyway

      The current site i setup i just rushed into it and i bought backlinks on fiverr and on here,forums,facebook,twitter but never realy researched properly and maybe need to remove some post's that are perhaps better of on another site or delete whole thing and start a fresh with new plan

      I know everyone says take alook through the forum but there is so much info its overwhelming and i have no idea where to start

      my site is http://internetmarketingleprechaun.com


      any advice you have on my site above would be great even if its delete it all and start agin thats fine by me if it means if it gives me clear plan of action doing that

      Thanks
      Ian
      Originally Posted by Black Hat Cat View Post

      Why don't you follow the link in your sig?



      Being online 20 hours a day and working online 20 hours a day aren't the same thing. What exactly are you doing during those 20 hours a day? I kind of find that hard to believe anyway. That's 140 hours a week. You'd be dead after a month, lol.

      Anyway, give us some specifics. What do you do every day for 20 hours a day? If we know that, we might be able to give you some constructive advice. Otherwise, all you're likely to get is a bunch of feel good "don't quit, keep at it, blah blah" nonsense.
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  • Profile picture of the author RanD
    Originally Posted by bloggerd View Post

    Hi Paul
    yes must admit i do get distracted at times on the wso thread, facebook etc..

    Im ditching the affiliate Marketing side and just going to concentrate on one niche blog & Building my list and learning rarther than trying to dive in an trying to sell affiliate products...


    Should i delete all the affilaite junk from my current blog IE:review post etc and start from 0 post's in the one niche i decide to target or should i keep the current post's?

    Regards
    Ian


    Careful. It sounds like you picked up on the wrong idea. Yes, you should definitely focus on one plan of action, and stick with it, but don't throw the baby out with the bath water. Affiliate marketing and niche blogging are not mutually exclusive. In fact, they go hand in hand. What good is building a list if you have nothing to sell them? A list makes you no money on it's own. A list is a way to increase your opportunity to sell/resell to people. To make money, you have to have something to sell them. Either something you created, or an affiliate product. You need to be able to sell a product. On the site, or in an email, it is all the same. Either way you have to do affiliate sales. However, your new plan is more difficult because of the additional learning curve of list building and email sales, before you can make any money. Email sales require more finese. Do it wrong, people will unsubscribe and all your hard work will be for nothing.


    This is Internet "Marketing", you have to sell something in order to make money. It has to be your own product, or someone else's (affiliate marketing). Affiliate marketing is not a different method of marketing, it is a way of monetizing. It's not something you can really skip. Yes, some people sell products using sales pages, but many just create niche blogs and subtily "suggest" affiliate products.


    Your comments about removing the "affiliate Junk" from your site leads me to believe that you have done things wrong. There should be no "affiliate junk" on your site. There should be offers, they should be exactly what your target audience is looking for, and surrounded by good content. You should never have "junk". If you site is full of banners, adsense, and a bunch of offers unrelated to what your visitors are looking for, they will leave, especially if the actual content is sparse. If that is what you did, you wouldn't be the first, nor the last. But, yes, remove "junk" from the site, but leave any good offers there, and make it look nice.


    As others have mentioned, it would be far easier to give specific advice, if we had more details, and/or site links. If you are really interested in help, do that. If you are hesitant to post them, pick one or two people to PM and ask for suggestions. If you are reluctant to do even that, at least let us know whether the problem is traffic or conversion, to help narrow the focus of the conversation.


    Yes, distractions are one of the biggest roadblocks. Time spend going through emails, reading sales letters, browsing forums, watching sales videos and webinars, are not considered working. Avoid them, and the WSO forum. There is nothing there to fix your problems. Stick to the basics, and whatever you have already bought.


    Rod Cortez brought up some good points. You really need to understand what the real problem was/is.


    One thing I always ask when people say that they aren't making money is "WHY aren't you making money?". If your answer is "I don't know", then that is the biggest part of the problem.


    Making money comes down to 3 major things: Traffic, conversion of that traffic (to sales or lists), and monetizing those conversions. There are a lot of other important factors involved, but they pretty much fit into one of those 3 aspects. They key to being successful is understanding each of those parts, and realizing where the problems exist, and how to fix them.


    You should always be running some type of analytics software, so that you know exactly what is going on with your website. With Google Analytics being free, there is no reason not to have something.


    For most people the problem is traffic. The have either done poor keyword, or market research, or poor SEO. If your analytics shows that you are getting plenty of traffic, then you need to look at why your site isn't converting. You need to provide what your visitors are looking for. Look at your site and put yourself in their shoes. Is it what you would want to see if you were looking for that.

    At what point is it time to quit? When you don't want to do it anymore. My philosophy is that if you quit, you give up all chance of success. I can't live like that. Take a break if you are getting burnt out, but don't quit unless you really want to.

    You have an advantage over many. You have made money, so you know that money can be made. That should be a motivator. Do you how many people build sites, but get know traffic and quit believing that it is impossible to make money do this? Duplicate what works, and remove what doesn't. Spend that extra time on doing more of what works, and make even more money.

    Yes, long freaking post. Sorry.
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  • Profile picture of the author Dalchow1
    Never a truer word said as in some of the above posts. Build Your List. You need to have a fair few thousand on there to be bringing in a half decent income
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  • Profile picture of the author Affportal
    I can tell by your signature what you are doing wrong. If YOU couldn't get that list builder to work why in the world are you promoting it???

    Concentrate on delivering world class value. Don't promote crap products. If you do happen to convert on that, how do you expect to convert on that customer again if the first product sucked?

    Theres a million products you can promote. Start with something you have used and like. Something you can stand behind and be proud to promote.

    Here's an example. This summer I bought a mantis tiller for the garden. I love this thing. I can make a short video review using my iPhone, build a site on an exact match domain and grab an aff link from amazon. Then drive traffic.

    Deliver VALUE, work your ass off and don't quit. That's how to succeed online.
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  • Profile picture of the author trotterstraders
    i would say maybe it may not be for you what is important is that you learn from the mistakes you have made here and go at something else with a better understanding on how to do business, sometimes you have to fail at something to make you succeed somewhere else - move on take what you have learned and start somewhere else
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  • Profile picture of the author J50
    You need to work out what you want out of life, and you need to be honest with yourself. This isn't for everybody. Just like offline business isn't for everybody, just like working in finance isn't for everybody etc. You need to find something you enjoy and excel at.

    I couldn't imagine doing anything 20 hours a day 7 days a week. I mean if you worked 20 hours a day on the minimum wage you'd be earning £123.80 a day at £6.19 an hour. That's £3,714 a month or £44,568 before tax, in two years you've lost £89,136. That's a lot of money you've lost for $400.

    Maybe you just want to think about that for a moment. Yes stacking shelves at Tesco sucks, but at least you're getting paid for every hour of work you do.
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    • Profile picture of the author bloggerd
      Hi thanks For Your reply
      yes i know what you mean and will have to put marketing on the side for awhile and just keep working at it when im not at work.

      I realy enjoy doing IM and honestly i dont think i could do any other job for as many hours a day

      I'm just sifting throught alot of threads on here trying to find ones that are back to the very basics. i skipped alot when i first started trying to fast track thinking i didnt need to bother learning the basics, which im sure im not the first to do it and it back fired, granted iv learnt alot and probaly alot of wrong techniques too,Like drive traffic correctly, using social sites etc

      My site gets nearly 1000 visits per month so obviously i need to workout.
      why im not converting any and how and what i need to change.

      if you have any advice on my site that changing may help convert/keep the visitors coming back. for example changing my theme etc


      Thanks
      Ian




      Originally Posted by OPHelp View Post

      You need to work out what you want out of life, and you need to be honest with yourself. This isn't for everybody. Just like offline business isn't for everybody, just like working in finance isn't for everybody etc. You need to find something you enjoy and excel at.

      I couldn't imagine doing anything 20 hours a day 7 days a week. I mean if you worked 20 hours a day on the minimum wage you'd be earning £123.80 a day at £6.19 an hour. That's £3,714 a month or £44,568 before tax, in two years you've lost £89,136. That's a lot of money you've lost for $400.

      Maybe you just want to think about that for a moment. Yes stacking shelves at Tesco sucks, but at least you're getting paid for every hour of work you do.
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  • Profile picture of the author Affportal
    Wow there's a lot of fluffy advice on warrior... Why is there a promo for a list building product in your signature that didn't work for you? Srsly, you gotta stop that mentality... Here's the basics, don't promote a product that didn't work for you. Start there.
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    • Profile picture of the author bloggerd
      i only bought the domain yesterday so thought id offer plr product i had and then to start driving traffic to it, is it not why you get plr to use to get you started at building a list?

      Thanks
      Ian
      Originally Posted by Affportal View Post

      Wow there's a lot of fluffy advice on warrior... Why is there a promo for a list building product in your signature that didn't work for you? Srsly, you gotta stop that mentality... Here's the basics, don't promote a product that didn't work for you. Start there.
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      • Profile picture of the author Affportal
        Originally Posted by bloggerd View Post

        offer plr product i had and then to start driving traffic to it, is it not why you get plr to use to get you started at building a list?
        Buy and post is a losing strategy with plr. Plr material should only be used for a foundation for you to build your own product from.

        Building your list is a good strategy but not in a niche that you can't send world class value to your subscribers. You don't know IM so you can't provide that follow up value.

        List building is lead generation. It's good that you understand that part. But it's only 1 part of 7 of a business.

        Also it's the very top of your funnel and it sounds like you don't have a NEXT product lined up to start marketing to your new leads. You need to have a back end set up. My mentor calls this your "money matrix".

        Too many newbies start marketing MMO before they make their first $10k. I said before, promote something you know that has provided you great value.
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    • Profile picture of the author moneymakersguide
      'Tis a lesson you should heed,
      Try, try, try again;
      'If at first you don't succeed,
      Try, try, try again.

      Once or twice though you should fail,

      Try again;
      If you would at last prevail,
      Try again.
      If we strive, 'tis no disgrace
      Though we may not win the race;
      What should you do in that case ?
      Try again.

      If you find your task is hard,

      Try again;
      Time will bring you your reward,
      Try again.
      All that other folks can do,
      With your patience should not you ?
      Only keep this rule in view--
      Try again. - Thomas H. Palmer
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  • Profile picture of the author ireshagun
    You've put in some serious hours there, what if you put those hours into a 'proper' paying job? You'd be about 50k richer now. I guess for most of us this is a hobby, so just covering the costs is enough. I suggest you set yourself a target (1 year), and if you don't meet it give up.
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    • Profile picture of the author bloggerd
      I don't think a proper job would let me work that many hours a day

      Originally Posted by ireshagun View Post

      You've put in some serious hours there, what if you put those hours into a 'proper' paying job? You'd be about 50k richer now. I guess for most of us this is a hobby, so just covering the costs is enough. I suggest you set yourself a target (1 year), and if you don't meet it give up.
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  • Profile picture of the author danhenrique
    I've been trying to make money online for years, but I don't intend to give up. I'll find a way someday! haha
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    • Profile picture of the author Jill Carpenter
      Originally Posted by Nics View Post

      It's never time to quit.
      Actually, some should have quit sooner.

      Originally Posted by Bert7070 View Post


      it only started working in the last i would say 2 years when i started understanding a few key things (probably trade secrets)
      Tell us more about these trade "secrets"

      Originally Posted by Black Hat Cat View Post

      Why don't you follow the link in your sig?

      Otherwise, all you're likely to get is a bunch of feel good "don't quit, keep at it, blah blah" nonsense.
      Actually, there is a fair amount here of maybe this isn't for you - wouldn't you agree?

      Anyway, OP has a whopping 33 backlinks (w/o the www according to backlink watch) to his site.

      This tells me no traffic is really being directed to the site - or not nearly enough to do some real testing. If he is up 20 hours a day, I would think 20 backlinks a day should be a snap. Not for ranking purpose - but to direct valid traffic of course.

      i only bought the domain yesterday so thought id offer plr product i had and then to start driving traffic to it, is it not why you get plr to use to get you started at building a list?
      PLR has so many more uses. There are also a bazillion other ways to build a list.

      What Point Do You Know Its Time To Quit
      I can't answer this for you. And I can't even answer this for me as I've never felt the need to quit. Change my strategy, yes - but quit - no.

      You need to sit back and assess where your time is being spent and whether it is productive. You need a long term business goal, and some focus (I suspect).

      Good luck on your decisions.
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  • Profile picture of the author eugenedm
    Internet marketing is not only about affiliate programs. SEO, blogging, article writing, guest posting, video syndication, content syndication, ppc, advertising commissions are also a part of internet marketing. Some methods will work for some people while it may not for others. So you got to think if one thing is not working for you then maybe it's about time to move on to a different method?
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  • Profile picture of the author LetsGoViral
    Well, despite what people say you have to realize when it is time to quit or change the direction you are heading.

    Doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results is sign of insanity.
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  • Profile picture of the author vaibhav896
    You enjoy internet marketing that is more than enough for you keep going on. Change your methods, take a new approach. I know a person who struggled for 3 years to make money through IM but now he is making $30000 per month. this figure might sound big but that's the truth. Don't give up. Keep on trying and you will succeed.

    All the very best.
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  • Profile picture of the author pdrs
    Wow, a lot of "IMers never quit" BS. Part of being successful not only in IM but in life is knowing when to walk away from something after having gave it a real honest go. Not saying that's what you should do in this case but being honest with yourself is probably one of the most important things you can do.

    When I was a kid I really wanted to be a professional golfer, like REALLY BAD, and I worked and worked at it but ya know what, I was never gonna be a professional golfer, and that's cool. I gave it all I had, learned a ton about myself in the process and moved on, sometimes that's what you gotta do. (and I'm still a decent golfer).

    Without knowing that much about what you've been doing I thought I'd offer a little advice.

    1 - Get away from the damn computer!!! Don't spend that much time in front of this thing. I know you've admitted that you get distracted and I was in the same boat as you for awhile, just spending countless hours in front of the screen trying to fool myself into thinking I was actually doing something. Do 1-2 hours of focused WORK and get away from it for a few hours, come back and do some more if you can focus but if not then do something else (see #3).

    2 - If you're in the IM niche trying to make money - GET OUT - you obviously know nothing about making money from Internet marketing so trying to convince other people to buy/learn/take you seriously is a waste of everyone's time yours included.

    3 - Focus on something you're good at like a hobby, speak from the heart and stop trying to just skim cash off the web. If you don't have a hobby, start one, model trains, scotch drinking, music etc... and document your progress.

    If you're really good at your hobby, people will want to hear what you have to say because people love wasting time on the internet reading about other people doing what they like to do, and if you're just beginning than document your progress/journey and people will want to hear what you have to say because people love wasting time on the internet reading about other people doing what they like to do

    In this sense you could stick with your 'Journey' in IM but I'd seriously recommend against it as this sort of thing has been done a million times in this niche and it's way easier to break into something outside of IM.

    I can't think of any hobbies off the top of my head that don't require some expenditure of money at some point so there will be buyers - even if it's for an ebook you create on how to do something.

    But the biggest thing is be honest and useful - don't half ass it and think people will give a shit cause they won't. Don't try and sell anything for at least 6 months and just enjoy interacting with other people that are interested in the same thing you are - it's fun and you're building something long-term.

    Good luck

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  • Profile picture of the author niceguy36
    My advice:

    You only lose if you give up. I don't think that something like "it's not for everyone" is true. I know that our mind is in a constant fluctuation and we need to keep it on the spot where it supports our goal the best way possible.

    Don't think "Shit, I've spend so much time and it still didn't work", but instead "Great, I've spend a lot of time learning and although I'm not successful yet, it is probably not the time now. I need to figure out the core problems that hold me back from where I want to be and fix them ASAP. Each step may be hard to overcome, but it will sweeten the point I succeed furthermore".

    Success isn't about luck, but the almost sick urge to get what you want. Brand it in your brain and your frustration will go away without any success required. Atleast it worked for me pretty well.

    I hope that helps.

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  • Profile picture of the author Ericparke
    Ive got a great video for you, I just need to find it then Ill post.
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  • Profile picture of the author DonMarketer
    Quiting is not an easy option for me!

    Before quiting at anything my first question is "Is it doable?" If it's doable I know that it's up to me...

    Then, "Do I have the skills/know how to make it happen? Or Are my prepared to give 100% of myself to learn the ropes?"

    Next question - "Can I do it?" if the answer is yes I carry on...
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  • Profile picture of the author TeamBringIt
    Originally Posted by bloggerd View Post

    Hi all

    Well i have been in Im Doing afiiliate marketing for 2 years and well i have
    had no real success think i have made about $400 this year, but even thats no profit considering the wso products/domains etc purchased.
    I spend from 8am till 4am online 7 days a week so its not like i dont work at it but i just seem to gain absolutley nothing dont seem to get anywhere.
    and its now at the point its realy starting to drag me down end up getting depressed/stressed whatever you want to label it.

    I don't want to quit IM'ing some days despite not earning a penny most of the time, i realy enjoy it but its at the point where i need to be earning.
    i have already canceled some hosting accounts and aweber this month
    not that aweber matters as i have huge list of about 20 people, was 100 for 1 day while they download there free stuff and then unsubscribed.

    (Note I DON'T want Freebies) im only looking for Some Genuine Advice

    So the question Im realy asking is:

    Is there away i can figure out what the hell im doing wrong and make it work?

    or
    Should i just admit that IM is not for me and give up?



    Thankyou to those who take the time to give advice..

    Regards
    Ian
    Seems like you are taking action, possibly wrong actions with no results. Seek a mentor and it can help you out.
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  • Profile picture of the author Tasleem Khan
    Qon't give. Affiliate marketing in not for everyone.

    Are you getting enough traffice to your site? because this is where many people go wrong, and get frustrated and just want to give up.

    But if you are then is it converting, test the site, change things around see what works.

    Bottom line don't give up we are here to support you
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  • Profile picture of the author Thomas W
    I think many people have your same problems. It's more of changing the mindset from just looking at the profit motive. check out http://www.warriorforum.com/local-me...irections.html

    You will find that there is some serious value in learning and sharing with others. Something clicks when you in a group and have similar goals
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  • Profile picture of the author Patrick Kelly
    Hi Ian,

    It certainly sounds like your journey has been tough.

    My suggestion is find someone on this forum who is promoting a WSO and offers 1:1 assistance...and then stick with it for a set period of time. There are several current offers which are quite valuable.

    The reason I am not more specific is it sounds like you have plenty of IM knowledge already and more specific advice may clash with your already pre-existing information you hold!

    You need to stick with this one approach, dedicate a set period of time and follow the guidelines of said program to a tee. With persistence and focus you will earn and re-gain your confidence!

    Trust this helps.

    cheers, Patrick
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    • Profile picture of the author bloggerd
      Hi Patrick thanks for your reply

      At the moment can't afford to invest in mentor but I certainly do need to invest in one asoon as I can.


      At the moment I'm just trying to take some time out so to speak and just concentrating on researching areas suitable for my current site as many have said you should now about what content I'm putting in my site, and I have put a lot into that site so I plan on learning more about that area then I'm in a position to to provide valuable content on it, as I v worked to hard on that site to just give up on it so now I just need to learn more about that niche and then move step by step and not try cutting corners like I did when first starting out.

      Thanks
      Ian

      Originally Posted by Patrick Kelly View Post

      Hi Ian,

      It certainly sounds like your journey has been tough.

      My suggestion is find someone on this forum who is promoting a WSO and offers 1:1 assistance...and then stick with it for a set period of time. There are several current offers which are quite valuable.

      The reason I am not more specific is it sounds like you have plenty of IM knowledge already and more specific advice may clash with your already pre-existing information you hold!

      You need to stick with this one approach, dedicate a set period of time and follow the guidelines of said program to a tee. With persistence and focus you will earn and re-gain your confidence!

      Trust this helps.

      cheers, Patrick
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  • Profile picture of the author Jessica Lynn
    I think you should take a break. Some time away from internet marketing may help you decide whether you want to continue doing it or not.

    It sounds like you're investing a lot of time time into IM. Are you working a "real" job? If not, the social interaction and guaranteed paycheck a real job can bring might make you feel better and you can still keep your IM projects as a side business.
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