IM is not for everyone - Here's just how insane I am

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Have you ever had a deep feeling of belief that was so strong that it guided you through the toughest of times?

I've been doing this IM thing now for about 4 years, and I will admit that I do not make ridiculous amounts of money, but I do have this desire to make a name for myself and leave a legacy behind, as well as having ideas that are really great for generating wealth.

Nothing happens overnight. Anything worth fighting for takes time. YOU remember that!

Just the other day, my long term relationship came to an end. It was a mature relationship, because we were going to settle down and start a family.

We have been so madly in love with each other for years

It was over the fact that I am not making quite enough money yet to start a family.

She apparently believed that IM was a means to an end for me, and in reality...it's not just about money. Business is what I am crazy in love with. You must nurture your passion.

Keep in mind that this woman was a little bit older than myself and already had a teenager. At one point her ex (father of her child) offered me an extremely well paying job ($50,000 a year).

The catch though was that the non-compete contract was so severe that it would have meant that I would have to take my online businesses down.

I thought about it, but I just couldn't do it. What I have created may not be much, but I gave birth to it from scratch. This is my child at this point. Plus, I want to gather information and experiences to pass down to my future children.

And I come from a long line of entrepreneurs. It's hard for me to not dance to my own beat.

This girl. Am I heart broken? you don't even know. Honestly, this was pretty damn close to being my soul mate. I lost my best friend. I feel like I've taken a step backwards. She filled so much joy in my life...

But it gets crazier.

This is actually the 2nd long term relationship that I have had that ended because of IM. The 1st was a woman that I was extremely close to as well.

Both I loved so much, and both I worked so hard for....but in the long run, I believe in a power beyond our hearts that orchestrates things accordingly to what we act upon in terms of desire. This is how I see it..

1. You have to have an unshakeable desire to succeed for 1 thing. It can be anything, but if it really matters to you, it will set the rest in place. How could I ever reach my goals with someone as my partner who is not like-minded? I will attract the most perfect person to my heart by staying true to myself.

2. You have to be insane. I've been told NO my whole life. You get numb to it. The desire to prove people wrong might just make you jaded and affect your efforts. That's not good enough. You have to do it for yourself. I'm particularly tired of being told NO by the closest people in my life. As an Aries, when someone tells me that I can't do something, I triumph. Why wouldn't I? why shouldn't you?

3. Life is beautiful. My mom is an abundance of wisdom. My 2 favorite things that she says to me almost daily are "don't hide your light under a bushel" and "don't settle".

4. You can work smart, and you can work hard, but you will go through tough times. My girlfriend confronted me with this whole concept of "financial security" and I explained that you don't achieve what you are capable of without taking risks.

I reminded her that life throws curve balls at you. I have lost members of my family who were close to me. It's life at play. We perceive it as a bad thing of course. But life is always in motion. So why not make it the way you want it, even if it's slow going? Why not be in control? Why settle?

5. My biggest fear is being a man who slaves for a paycheck, slaves for his family, slaves for his kids, slaves for his wife, the in-laws, my own family, society and friends without have ONE thing that I can grow to surpass my life. I call it legacy.

So make your mark. Don't be afraid to do so. You stand up to those people who tell you NO. Dreams are both fragile and strong at the same time. They are strong, because if you are willing to be faithful to them, they will meet you there like an old friend (I have already witnessed this in the making), but protect your dreams from 1000:1 people, because most people in society are conditioned to play by a rule book that someone else made.

YOU DON'T HAVE TO SETTLE! What makes you happy? it's important! Your life, your story deserves a place...so do it, and don't be afraid to lose some things or people if it's really that important to you.

I have had to cut ties with close friends because they criticized my approach to life. To criticize a person's dreams is to deny them a place here on earth (I would never do that to another individual). Don't tolerate that. Stand up for yourself and be strong.
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  • Profile picture of the author marketinguk
    What an unusual thread IMO. I have to say that whilst I understand what you're saying the overall theme coming from your OP is that business is more important than family which I for one STRONGLY DISPUTE. No people on this forum should I feel work on their business at the expense of their family, friends or those that mean a lot to them generally.

    It's easy to overstep the mark i've found, sometimes I feel like I almost have to drag myself away from the laptop to go for walks or go shopping, pick someone up etc. However, balance in life is so crucial and if others were critical of you it may have served you well to take a moment to seriously consider what they were saying to you.

    In short my adivce to those reading this thread is to totally ignore the OP and I never ususally speak that strongly but I feel that here it's important to say this. Nothing in life is more important than family and friends, and if you haven't worked that out yet I hope you do so one day.

    N.B. Money is to me a means to an end not an end in itself and I hope others see that too.

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  • Profile picture of the author intergen
    I agree the post is not quite like most here. I do appreciate the honesty and openness.

    Have you ever considered that what you are doing is not an "either-or" proposition i.e. Either I have a job and don't do IM or vice versa - I can do IM but not have a job.

    I've been around the horn a few times and have owned some successful businesses that allowed me to temporarily retire for a few years.

    I have a job and I do IM - I can do both (consider the fact that you can too). I love what I do - whether its a job or IM just for me.

    I've been around the same thinking of "slaving away for someone else's dreams" and J.O.B. stands for Just Over Broke yada yada yada.

    Bottom line you do what it takes to get where you want to go. I make great money at my job. I make good money in IM. Combined it has allowed my wife to be at home with our kids for the last 11 years and I live in one of the most expensive areas in the world (California near SF). Not bragging but definitely want folks to know its OK to have a job but I do agree with capitalalchemy - also build your own dreams.
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    • Profile picture of the author OPTIMUSMKTG
      Originally Posted by intergen View Post

      I agree the post is not quite like most here. I do appreciate the honesty and openness.

      Have you ever considered that what you are doing is not an "either-or" proposition i.e. Either I have a job and don't do IM or vice versa - I can do IM but not have a job.

      I've been around the horn a few times and have owned some successful businesses that allowed me to temporarily retire for a few years.

      I have a job and I do IM - I can do both (consider the fact that you can too). I love what I do - whether its a job or IM just for me.

      I've been around the same thinking of "slaving away for someone else's dreams" and J.O.B. stands for Just Over Broke yada yada yada.

      Bottom line you do what it takes to get where you want to go. I make great money at my job. I make good money in IM. Combined it has allowed my wife to be at home with our kids for the last 11 years and I live in one of the most expensive areas in the world (California near SF). Not bragging but definitely want folks to know its OK to have a job but I do agree with capitalalchemy - also build your own dreams.
      Great post!

      It is possible to have a regular job and do IM. IMO, capital needs to reevaluate his IM plan.

      If it ever came to the point where I had to choose IM over my significant other/family, that's a no brainer. Family should always come first!

      capital, if you truly love her, you should get a job and do IM part-time. There are plenty of IM endeavours you could purse without having to be glued to a computer 24-7.

      Think of it this way. If IM doesn't ever make you rich, you may die lonely and broken-hearted. We only live once. Make the best of it.
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  • Profile picture of the author koreancowboy
    I know how you feel dood...you find the one thing in life that makes it worth living, that helps you get out of bed every morning, and keeps you motivated to keep going through the down times in life.

    I'm sorry to hear that you and your gf broke up...but it was for the best. She didn't believe in your dreams, and you did. You should never compromise your dreams for another person.

    Case in point...my ex-girlfriend. She was a Dallas Cowboys Cheerleader finalist, but her ex-husband wouldn't let her do it though (he was a real piece of work). In the end, it devastated her, because it was more than making the team...it meant that she felt like she was somebody.

    She eventually recovered, but she often wonders what would have been.

    It took me a long time to find out what I'm good at in this world, and what I have a passion for. I eat, sleep, and breathe this industry. My wife asked me what I would do if I didn't make it in IM.

    I told her that isn't an option on the table.

    I will succeed. No matter what.
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    • Profile picture of the author capitalalchemy
      Well honestly, when you believe that someone you care about loves you for who you are, and you believe that they know who you are, and they finally reveal one day that it's about financial security. You feel like you don't matter.

      What is money in the long run? why do we define each other with it?

      Would you leave your partner over money issues? most people would, and I experienced this.

      In terms of my friends that I have said goodbye to, most ended up in prison, or despise anyone who wants to do well for themselves. So I suppose it has to do with your own experience.

      I'm just sharing this with those in the same boat. I don't expect everyone to relate.
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      • Profile picture of the author OPTIMUSMKTG
        Originally Posted by capitalalchemy View Post

        Well honestly, when you believe that someone you care about loves you for who you are, and you believe that they know who you are, and they finally reveal one day that it's about financial security. You feel like you don't matter.

        What is money in the long run? why do we define each other with it?

        Would you leave your partner over money issues? most people would, and I experienced this.

        In terms of my friends that I have said goodbye to, most ended up in prison, or despise anyone who wants to do well for themselves. So I suppose it has to do with your own experience.

        I'm just sharing this with those in the same boat. I don't expect everyone to relate.
        Put yourself in her shoes. She sees a computer-obsessed person who isn't making enough money to start a family with. How long is she suppose to wait if her clock is ticking? 5 years, 10 years, 20 years? Good luck finding any woman who will stick it out like that for the long haul. Women want security and excitement in their lives NOW.
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  • Profile picture of the author jamesrich1
    capitalalchemy I feel everything you said. I don't think the $50k a year job would of made it impossible for you to still thrive at internet marketing. You could use that money to start outsourcing your business. I feel you with not being around people who do not believe in you. Why should you? We live in a world where die hard entrepreneurs who have not yet manifested their future reality are doubted by outsiders. You are walking across your invisible bridge that only you can see. I have no doubt you will get everything you are working for and more.
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    • Profile picture of the author Lana Holmes
      Originally Posted by jamesrich1 View Post

      capitalalchemy You are walking across your invisible bridge that only you can see.
      It's so true...

      I don't think that the OP says that family is not important. He says that "it's better be alone than with the wrong people". I've read the good phrase recently: "You'll know what your wife worth when you'll be out of money, you'll know what your husband worth when you'll have a baby with him, you'll know what your family worth when you'll start your business" .
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      • Profile picture of the author sbucciarel
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        Originally Posted by Lana Holmes View Post

        It's so true...

        I don't think that the OP says that family is not important. He says that "it's better be alone than with the wrong people". I've read the good phrase recently: "You'll know what your wife worth when you'll be out of money, you'll know what your husband worth when you'll have a baby with him, you'll know what your family worth when you'll start your business" .

        Business is what I am crazy in love with.
        This is my child at this point.
        It's pretty obvious that he loved his dream more than he wanted a family. He wants someone "like-minded" to share his dream. Does he also want her to foot all the bills and support him?
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  • Profile picture of the author evilsaigon
    Well, my parents criticize my IM approach. Unfortunately I can't break up with them over this, since I'm still an unemployed college student lol, so I'm forced with live with scepticism everyday. I totally feel for you man.
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  • Profile picture of the author esk
    the #1 function of a business is to create money for the owner. You're business shouldn't take up all your time and destroy your relationships.
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    • Profile picture of the author Mike Hill
      Originally Posted by esk View Post

      the #1 function of a business is to create money for the owner. You're business shouldn't take up all your time and destroy your relationships.

      Tell that to all the billionaires out there when they were first getting started. If you're in a REAL relationship and your GF isn't merely hoping for security instead of a real loving relationship then it's good to find out what they are like and get rid of them as fast as possible.

      Business did not ruin his relationship, business allowed him to find out what she was really like. If she had loved him enough she would have encouraged and helped him instead.

      Follow your dreams guys and gals follow your dreams... someday it might be too late!
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  • Profile picture of the author jamesrich1
    esk Obsession is common in rags to riches stories. The thing that is destroying his relationships is the choice capitalalchemy has made to pursue his dream and not work a job while doing it. I understand it. Women want financial security. Most feel that a job is the smarter way to go. Most of the world looks up to successful entrepreneurs but do not understand the in progress future success stories. When capital is super successful the people who disagreed will be begging for forgiveness. This is why people turn their back on close friends is because people only want to bask in your glory but not believe in you while you are climbing. Its hypocritical...
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  • Profile picture of the author J50
    Jobs are jobs, doesn't matter who the client is. It doesn't bother me if I'm building websites for people in Australia, or doing someones drive way down the road (it's nice to get out and do something different none computer related). Working a full time employment contract for a company, or selling leads to an affiliate network. It's all the same to me. That's my trend of thought on the whole principle of 'work' and 'job(s)'. So long as I'm getting paid, and I'm happy with the rate of pay. I'll pretty much turn my hand to anything.
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  • Profile picture of the author sbucciarel
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    Originally Posted by capitalalchemy View Post

    Just the other day, my long term relationship came to an end. It was a mature relationship, because we were going to settle down and start a family.

    We have been so madly in love with each other for years

    It was over the fact that I am not making quite enough money yet to start a family.

    She apparently believed that IM was a means to an end for me, and in reality...it's not just about money. Business is what I am crazy in love with. You must nurture your passion.

    ...This is my child at this point.

    5. My biggest fear is being a man who slaves for a paycheck, slaves for his family, slaves for his kids, slaves for his wife, the in-laws, my own family, society and friends without have ONE thing that I can grow to surpass my life.


    I have had to cut ties with close friends because they criticized my approach to life
    Well, good luck to you in your business. You've made your choice. I can see why a woman with a child and a woman who wants to raise a family with you would cut and run. I have children and I've never considered working to support them being a slave for my children. They are grown now, but when I was supporting them as a single mother, I worked my butt off so that they wouldn't live in poverty.

    If you value your Internet Marketing business even though it is not making the kind of money that could support a family more than personal relationships, a potential wife and family, then go for it and do it but you can't expect to drag others along with you or to pick up the bills and pay them without an equal contribution from you.
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    • Profile picture of the author capitalalchemy
      Originally Posted by sbucciarel View Post

      Well, good luck to you in your business. You've made your choice. I can see why a woman with a child and a woman who wants to raise a family with you would cut and run. I have children and I've never considered working to support them being a slave for my children. They are grown now, but when I was supporting them as a single mother, I worked my butt off so that they wouldn't live in poverty.

      If you value your Internet Marketing business even though it is not making the kind of money that could support a family more than personal relationships, a potential wife and family, then go for it and do it but you can't expect to drag others along with you or to pick up the bills and pay them without an equal contribution from you.
      I completely agree. It's just that when you have this person who says "I know your heart. I know who you are. I know that you don't make much, and you will do it and I will follow you on your path" and then they just cut.

      But honestly guys, I wasn't trying to make this about relationships and jobs. I was trying to make it about staying true to your heart. If that means working to support a family - go for it! you just should pursue happiness if possible.
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      • Profile picture of the author capitalalchemy
        OK well the truth of the matter is this..

        I didn't want to go into details, but I'm getting some heat here.

        My GF lives with her father. He isn't in the best of health. But at the same time he is capable and does nothing. She has a teenage daughter who is absolutely rude, spoiled and very selfish.

        I have been living 2 weeks with them and 2 weeks with my parents, because I need to take care of my folks as well.

        When I was down at their house, I would do their laundry, do the yard work, wash the dishes, drive her daughter to school, give my GF back rubs every night, clean the house, pitch in on some groceries, I would buy her dad and her daughter lunch, I helped do some home projects, I would go get his mail for him, take out the trash, I reorganized their rooms for them and straightened up 2 rooms that were completely filled to the ceiling with stuff.

        The day that I left I was cutting up a big tree limb that had fallen on their drive way.

        Her dad would go to bed at 5 AM, wake up at 2 - 4 PM, and just start watching TV. I would literally set his laundry on the steps to his room and it would sit there for months.

        He and her daughter would trash the house as soon as I got it cleaned. My GF would come home and be so let down, so I tried to head off things early.

        So this is what happened..

        I hadn't been down there in 2 1/2 weeks. They have a small mortgage. Between his SS check and what my GF makes, they have plenty to work with IMO.

        He comes to her one day panicked and says "I won't be able to pay the mortgage and by the way we owe $300 in electric bills because I haven't paid it for 2 months"..

        So she was upset, because she gives him money and he goes out and blows it on junk.

        They have financial issues that they need to work out between them. When I'm there, I have no say so - I have to do things the way they want them done. Literally if I don't load the dishwasher right I'm in trouble, or fold laundry a certain way. They are very controlling.

        He panicked and pointed the finger at me. My GF even said "basically, my dad wants you to pay his mortgage for him".

        She eventually sided with him, and it bothered me, because they somehow neglected to see all the things that I did for them.

        They are living beyond their means, and I have no control over that. I really didn't want to go out and do something just so that I could provide their cush life for them with no compromise.
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        • Profile picture of the author Mantasmo
          Originally Posted by capitalalchemy View Post

          She eventually sided with him, and it bothered me, because they somehow neglected to see all the things that I did for them.
          Are you a "fixer"? It's a character type/trait... pretty difficult to live with tbh. People like that always get sucked into troubled relationships where something (or someone) needs "help", etc. I know someone like that.

          Your story is pretty sad, it's a good thing that you got out. Spend all that energy pursuing business goals and healthy relationships instead.

          Good luck!
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        • Profile picture of the author MP80
          Dude, we've all been there. Relationships come and go.. People are either in your life for a reason, a season, or a lifetime.

          Originally Posted by capitalalchemy View Post

          I didn't want to go into details..
          So, don't then.

          But, since you already have.. Best thing that you can do is learn to let go, and move on. Biggest scam going is that we all must have someone to be happy. The truth is you don't need anyone to 'complete' you, if you learn to fulfill your own needs. Ironically, you then start having better quality relationships with people, and making better choices.

          Sorry, I know it's difficult now, but time really does heal.
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  • Profile picture of the author Mantasmo
    Interesting thread.

    I have some experience with this stuff... having built up my income from 0 to whatever I make now and gone through some very rough times along the way. Let me tell you this - no matter how much someone loves you (like a gf), they do have a breaking point.

    Now, this isn't aimed at you OP, because I don't really know you. Just some general observations.

    1. Some wantrepreneurs create this illusion of "future" wealth and how they are going to "be free" in the future... but do very little to actually get there. Here's the worst part - they keep reminding their loved ones (usually gf or wife) about this future wealth and how everything's going to be awesome soon. This is a recipe for disaster in any relationship - you are lying to yourself AND encouraging unrealistic (often in a very annoying way) expectations.

    My advice? Shut the hell up and get to work. Talk about your accomplishments, not future plans.

    2. It shouldn't take any longer than 2-3 years to start earning enough to match a decent full-time salary. If you're not earning that - take a really good look at things, because you are doing it wrong and probably just can't see it.

    3. Nothing wrong with having a job to supplement your income or help fund business/marketing expenses. Any job, doesn't have to be $50/yr. All this ideology crap is just that - crap. Money helps (both in business and personal life), right? So go get some and build faster so you can own this thing. Otherwise you're just lying to yourself.

    True story, bros.
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  • Profile picture of the author Andyhenry
    This is a weird OP.

    It sounds like you are very selfish and despite finding your soul mate and having good friends - you have put sacrificed happiness in the moment for some distant vision of the future.

    You should be careful - Life is not a destination but a journey and throwing away friends and loved-ones to the curb because they don't share your vision is a great way to delude yourself that you're going for a fulfilled life, when actually you're sabotaging the thing at the core of life - happiness and fulfillment.

    You say you feel cheated when people relying on you are looking for some sort of financial stability and it somehow demeans you - but then you say that what you are aiming for IS financial stability for you and your family.

    It sounds very hypocritical, like you're using the same traits that you have against the people around you.

    If they have selfish desires - they're abusing your trust.

    If you have selfish desires - you have to go for what you want in life.

    It's a double-standard.

    And not only that, but you're now shouting at us, like we should also follow the same path.

    Screw that - I love my friends and family and if they don't share my vision - that's up to them - I still love them and would never hold their difference of perspective against them. We all have our own perspective - that's humans for you.

    Money is an outcome not a goal and living for NOW is way more important than any long term goal.

    You might get hit by a bus tomorrow - would you really want your last thoughts to be how you wish you still had your friends and family around you but you pushed them away to focus on your personal success?
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    Thank god my gf supports me. Even want to learn it herself in the long run.
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    • Profile picture of the author MP80
      I agree that 'Nothing happens overnight', and 'Anything worth fighting for takes time', but 4 years is far too long to be 'building a business'. The world's tallest building was completed in six years, and the Sears Tower took just three... I don't know what sort of business you are building, but you must be cooking up something pretty darn good!!!

      All jokes aside, your girlfriend obviously had a point.. I think you need to look at why you weren't stepping up to the plate because, if this girl was really your soulmate, you would have moved heaven and earth to make it happen.

      Don't get me wrong; I understand where you are coming from... For what it is worth, my freedom, creativity, being the best 'me' that I can be, fulfilling my purpose, and [to a lesser extent] finding my ideal partner are also my priorities. I strongly agree with walking away from relationships, situations, etc, that don't measure up, and holding out for what you want.

      But, in order to attract what you want, you first need to be all that you can be. When you are on top of your game, the 'perfect' relationship is just the icing on the cake to your otherwise great life.

      btw, I am also an Aries, so I know you will read this thread and then do whatever you want to do anyway, lol. :p

      (And my 'child' is my car. )
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  • Profile picture of the author Thomas W
    I know exactly what your talking about.

    This is a problem with 99% of entrepreneurs. They don't know how to create a work/life balance. It's no wonder that many are divorced or have substance abuse problems.

    God,family, and then business is how I try to order my life.

    I have to admit I am not perfect and plenty of times when the wife said "Get off the computer" or "Stop doing business on the phone"
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  • Profile picture of the author evco8
    Listen CapitalAlchemy,
    Sometimes we forget that relationships are a 2 way street. And just like you have things that you're not willing to compromise the same goes with your significant other.
    Obviously starting a family is not something that she is willing to compromise. And I'm pretty sure there is some timeline involved.
    The success of a relationship is heavily based on the art of compromise.
    And hopefully you love each other enough to meet somewhere in the middle.
    Not giving up your hopes and dreams but adjusting them a tad to accommodate the love of your life This doesn't take away from your dream in my opinion it only adds to it and makes it richer and more challenging. That's my 2 cents.
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  • Profile picture of the author sprlck9
    My x wife hated it when I talked about IM, even told me it was stupid to think I could make money on the internet and that it's a waste of time. For about 3 years I did nothing but hang out here on the forum just reading and learning I never really took action because she would go through the roof when I spent money on this stupid stuff ( her words not mine ).

    Anyway we got divorced about 2 years ago ( nothing to do with im ) , I have a new GF who thinks I'm a freakin genius just because I could put together a blog, lol . And she always tells me not to stop doing what I love doing. And guess what, what Im doing is making money on the internet!
    I guess my point is that it sure does help when the one your with believes in you. I also still have a job though and a pretty good one. So you can do both, I have a really good job and I actually love my job, not because of the money but because my schedule, I work and am gone for 21 days and then Im off for 21 days, so I have plenty of free time while Im home.

    As far as loosing friends or relationships over im , I dont understand how you could lose friends.
    My friends are my friends and I dont care what they think about what im doing on the computer their still going to be my friends.
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    • Profile picture of the author capitalalchemy
      Originally Posted by sprlck9 View Post

      My x wife hated it when I talked about IM, even told me it was stupid to think I could make money on the internet and that it's a waste of time. For about 3 years I did nothing but hang out here on the forum just reading and learning I never really took action because she would go through the roof when I spent money on this stupid stuff ( her words not mine ).

      Anyway we got divorced about 2 years ago ( nothing to do with im ) , I have a new GF who thinks I'm a freakin genius just because I could put together a blog, lol . And she always tells me not to stop doing what I love doing. And guess what, what Im doing is making money on the internet!
      I guess my point is that it sure does help when the one your with believes in you. I also still have a job though and a pretty good one. So you can do both, I have a really good job and I actually love my job, not because of the money but because my schedule, I work and am gone for 21 days and then Im off for 21 days, so I have plenty of free time while Im home.

      As far as loosing friends or relationships over im , I dont understand how you could lose friends.
      My friends are my friends and I dont care what they think about what im doing on the computer their still going to be my friends.
      The friends that I let go of were before I started IM. I always was trying to create something awesome for myself. Literally, every day what I heard from them was
      "you suck" and "you fail".

      I think after a while you realize that these people are not your friends.
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  • Profile picture of the author Mary Davis
    Well per your last update, sounds like you were lucky to get out when you did.

    Additionally, perhaps would best to stick to IM'ers from now on to head off any conflicts about online pursuits.

    Apparently WF needs a new category: IM Love

    And one last note: When it comes to any relationship, remember that people will only treat you as badly as you allow them to. Set boundaries, stick to them, and never let anyone treat less than the way you deserve to be treated.
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    • Profile picture of the author Lana Holmes
      Originally Posted by Ebiz Mom View Post

      Apparently WF needs a new category: IM Love
      And the dating section. Someone who can do programming and SEO can find someone who can do writing and marketing. And they both will be in the same boat with their own home business - so no misunderstandings . The joke, of course .
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      • Profile picture of the author travlinguy
        Originally Posted by Lana Holmes View Post

        And the dating section.
        WF connections. I like the sound of that...
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        • Profile picture of the author cjreynolds
          I hesitated to post here until I saw that post where you went into all the details - mainly because I know in my experience, these things seldom happen in a vacuum. There's always (lots of) other issues going on.

          Some have come down a little on you, but I can see where they're coming from, too. I've known so many newlyweds where the wife talks glowingly about her new husband: "He's such a good [artist/musician/etc.] - once he gets discovered, our dreams will come true!". A year later she's wondering why the "freeloader" can't get off his ass and get a real job to help with the bills. :p

          In your case, you weren't married, you didn't "break up" a family, you just tried out a relationship and it didn't work out - either you're not ready to enter a marriage relationship or she's not, or one of you looked at the whole picture and decided that the relationship was not worth giving up your dreams for - nothing wrong with that, it's the guys that make that decision after they're married that bother me. I don't know how old you are or how many "soul-mates" you've had, but this last one didn't really sound like most anybody's "soul-mate" Perhaps you should be thankful for dodging a bullet!

          Put your head down, push forward, make your dreams happen - when your real soul-mate comes along, she'll support your dreams, or you'll work out a solution that pleases both of you, or you might even decide to quit IM to be with her... Whatever happens, it'll all be good
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          • Profile picture of the author Walter Parrish
            I feel you. I divorced back in 2008 similar situation I'm a business person always have been since the age of 15 when I started studying Delaware Corps.

            The problem that I didn't realize until after the divorce is this. There are two types of relationships most fall into the love love love, violins, flowers, romance etc. The other type of relationship is business, where while the love and romance may be there the partner understands, risks, and business in general. If I were to have a mate I would feel more secure if my mate could actually take over the business if anything should happen to me. I think that's what you at least need to look for as far as relations are concerned. You may also want to make the big bucks first and then get into another relationship.

            As, far as IM is concerned I think you need to grasp the fact that you are a warrior, same as the good old days. The thing about being a warrior is that you take risks and learn to go into the unknown, where the majority fear to tread. Last thing try to get down some basics as far as IM is concerned, you know like forum, blog, social network, finding your niche, etc.

            hold your head up high whatever you do and don't forget to spend a little more time with your family even while you're on your journey.
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            • Profile picture of the author capitalalchemy
              I REALLY appreciate all the feedback! I've learned a lot from reading over ALL of your messages.

              I have some good news. We talked tonight. She told me that she couldn't live without me. I really feel the same way. But I had the opportunity to say what I needed to say.

              We both are in difficult positions in our lives. It makes it hard to be a true couple with a new start and independence, but we agreed that we could do it.

              I've been in some good relationships. I'm not too young and not too old

              A couple of people on here said that if you haven't built a business in 4 years, then maybe you should look elsewhere, but the truth is that I have spent almost all that time amassing an education from nothing.

              You name it, I've studied it hard.

              I finally feel like the pieces have come together. I've had so much success lately to let this go.

              I've accomplished some wonderful things in my life, and all of them required pushing through difficult times.

              I would strongly urge anyone to not fall to the time factor. There have been billionaires who have gone bankrupt and rebuilt for instance. And some times people get a late start. Some, whom I celebrate are able to kick butt shortly after beginning, and others take longer. Don't worry about it! if it's important to you...just know you'll get there.

              Haha, I did not intend for this to be about relationships or "mine"...but that's the direction it took, and everyone had really wonderful thoughts. I apparently delighted some, angered others and maybe got people discussing something unintentionally.

              I appreciate the love and support and even criticism.

              Believe me, this is fantastic, because we get to see how everyone pursues things or what everyone feels are priorities.
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  • Profile picture of the author infogenius
    capitalalchemy, it is so clear you started this thread because of the hurt you experienced, well it is one of those funny weird things that life presents to us at times my brother. The truth be told, your gf (not sure if she is now x) was never your woman and somehow someway, you now understand that she was not your kind of woman.

    Good it happened that way,you may have run into murky waters if things had been rosy and you decided to take her as a wife.

    Pursue and live your dreams and in between you would have a supportive GF just like Volkasen that will provide the kind of happiness you truely deserve.

    I will conclude with this, no matter what your dreams are or what the future holds for you, you will need someone,people around you to complete the chain and make it GE.

    Enjoy.
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    • Profile picture of the author capitalalchemy
      Originally Posted by infogenius View Post

      capitalalchemy, it is so clear you started this thread because of the hurt you experienced, well it is one of those funny weird things that life presents to us at times my brother. The truth be told, your gf (not sure if she is now x) was never your woman and somehow someway, you now understand that she was not your kind of woman.

      Good it happened that way,you may have run into murky waters if things had been rosy and you decided to take her as a wife.

      Pursue and live your dreams and in between you would have a supportive GF just like Volkasen that will provide the kind of happiness you truely deserve.

      I will conclude with this, no matter what your dreams are or what the future holds for you, you will need someone,people around you to complete the chain and make it GE.

      Enjoy.
      Actually, I've been through a lot. I didn't start this thread out of hurt or to vent. I've learned that you always should be true to yourself. That was the point I was trying to get across. IM is my newest endeavor. I've succeeded at many things, and have applied all the lessons from those things to this. And one of them is to be faithful to who you are.

      I actually went immediately into "it's OK" mode. I was thinking "you will survive". I've been down this path before (most people have). Love is so precious. Even the people that we lose can be so special to us to this day. I used to cry and go through the hurt of losing someone that I was a partner with. This time I felt that as my mom says "when one door closes, another one opens"...

      Seriously, this woman should write a book.

      She used to quote to me Edna St. Vincent Millay's "The Spring And The Fall" when my love life did not pan out...

      The quote is...

      "Tis not love's going hurt my days, but that it went in little ways"

      I am so blessed with a wonderful family and the support of those who have chimed in here!
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  • Profile picture of the author DesmondTan
    Originally Posted by capitalalchemy View Post


    I have had to cut ties with close friends because they criticized my approach to life. To criticize a person's dreams is to deny them a place here on earth (I would never do that to another individual). Don't tolerate that. Stand up for yourself and be strong.
    Totally agree with you, if anyone tells me that my dreams are not realistic, i guess i would do the same as you did- even if they turned out to be relatives...
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