question about article marketing?

11 years ago

I'm not a big article marketing guy myself, but I do know that ideally you want all your articles pointing back to your central hub site. So you'd want the article on your own site before submitting to all the article directories.

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freelancewriting

11 years ago

Originally Posted by johnjmannion

I'm not a big article marketing guy myself, but I do know that ideally you want all your articles pointing back to your central hub site. So you'd want the article on your own site before submitting to all the article directories.

Actually, no, not from what I've learned. You want to publish the articles to the article directories first and then, once the article has been published to add the article to your own site. I think it's a good idea to change the content a bit as well, so it's not exactly the same as what's posted on the article site.

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Alexa Smith Banned 11 years ago

Originally Posted by freelancewriting

You want to publish the articles to the article directories first and then, once the article has been published to add the article to your own site.

That's exactly the opposite of what you should want to do.

Why give away all your initial indexation rights to article directories? That just makes sure your own site can never outrank them. When you have time, take a look through this thread and you'll find a whole succession of people who are making a living from article marketing explaining at length and in detail all their shared reasons for doing exactly the opposite of what you suggest above: http://www.warriorforum.com/main-int...eza-first.html

Originally Posted by freelancewriting

I think it's a good idea to change the content a bit as well

All you need to do to see why that's such a mistake is to read this very thread in which you've just posted.

But that's asking a lot, I understand, when all you really want is to make a hit-and-run post, just to get your signature-file into the thread, and then move along to another thread and do the same thing there, hoping nobody will notice that you didn't even read the thread and don't actually know what you're talking about either.
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MissTerraK

11 years ago

If you're going to utilize them on your site, which I recommend you do, you should post them on your site first, wait until they are indexed in the search engines, and then post them on an article directory.

This way, you get first published rights to your content.

Hope that helps with your question.

Terra

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bkat52

11 years ago

Originally Posted by MissTerraK

If you're going to utilize them on your site, which I recommend you do, you should post them on your site first, wait until they are indexed in the search engines, and then post them on an article directory.

This way, you get first published rights to your content.

Hope that helps with your question.

Terra

100% correct if you are going to use the same articles word for word. Well said.

But you might want to have them rewritten before submitting to an article directory. Some directories don't accept duplicate content, and you can get a lot more value out of rewriting and submitting a unique article (for the little time it takes to rewrite something).

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Alexa Smith

Banned 11 years ago

Originally Posted by bkat52

But you might want to have them rewritten before submitting to an article directory.

Don't do that. That's a very poor idea indeed. It means giving an article directory previously unpublished content, and that isn't the right thing to do at all! That's just giving away your initial indexation-rights to someone else and building their business partly at the expense of your own.

Originally Posted by bkat52

Some directories don't accept duplicate content

You've misunderstood this, Bkat, I'm afraid. Both "what duplicate content means" and "what article directories accept".

Article directories don't require previously unpublished content.

"Duplicate content" isn't the same thing as "syndicated content". The difference is explained here (and in many other places): Article Marketers – Lay the Duplicate Content Myth To Rest Once and For All - Internet Marketing and Publishing Blog

Article directories obviously don't accept articles of which they themselves have already published a copy (that really would be duplicate content) but they do accept articles (of course, every day, and huge numbers of them) which have already been published on other sites. That isn't "duplicate content", but it is all that successful, professional article marketers will ever submit to an article directory and there are reasons for that!

Originally Posted by bkat52

you can get a lot more value out of rewriting and submitting a unique article (for the little time it takes to rewrite something).

This is a deeply mistaken approach: what it involves is giving an article directory an article that hasn't already been published and indexed on your own site first. That's not a good thing to do. The directory benefits from it - you don't, or at least you don't as much as if you'd published it yourself first.

If you're going to re-write an article to produce a different article, then you have two articles. Publish both of them on your own site first, have them indexed there, and then put both of them in an article directory. Don't make the mistake of putting one on your own site and another (unpublished on your own site) into an article directory!

Again, for anyone interested, you can find all of this is explained in some detail and at some length, by many successful article marketers who are earning a living from it, rather than repeating misinformation from the "Urban Myth School of Internet Marketing", just by following all the links in this post: http://www.warriorforum.com/main-int...ml#post5068872

It's important not to let your potential customers read an article in an article directory (we all lose most of that traffic, and those aren't the people for whom the article directory copy exists). This can make the difference between making a living and not making a living, and for many people it does. All the people who have started off the hundreds of threads here with titles like "Article Marketing Is Dead" and "Article Marketing Doesn't Work Any More" are the ones who have made these mistakes.

Also, for those willing to take the time and effort to read a longer thread, if you go carefully through this one, as mentioned above, you'll find on the way through a very large number of successful article marketers explaining in detail all their shared reasons for not doing what's suggested above, and why it's a mistake to try that. Can't make it much clearer than that!

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bkat52

11 years ago

Originally Posted by Alexa Smith

Don't do that. That's a very poor idea indeed. It means giving an article directory previously unpublished content, and that isn't the right thing to do at all! That's just giving away your initial indexation-rights to someone else and building their business partly at the expense of your own. :p

You've misunderstood this, Bkat, I'm afraid. Both "what duplicate content means" and "what article directories accept", I'm afraid.

Article directories don't require previously unpublished content.

"Duplicate content" isn't the same thing as "syndicated content". The difference is explained here (and in many other places): Article Marketers - Lay the Duplicate Content Myth To Rest Once and For All - Internet Marketing and Publishing Blog

Article directories obviously don't accept articles of which they themselves have already published a copy (that really would be duplicate content) but they do accept articles (of course, every day, and huge numbers of them) which have already been published on other sites. That isn't "duplicate content", but it is all that successful, professional article marketers will ever submit to an article directory and there are reasons for that!

This is a deeply mistaken approach: what it involves is giving an article directory an article that hasn't already been published and indexed on your own site first. That's not a good thing to do. The directory benefits from it - you don't, or at least you don't as much as if you'd published it yourself first.

If you're going to re-write an article to produce a different article, then you have two articles. Publish both of them on your own site first, have them indexed there, and then put both of them in an article directory. Don't make the mistake of putting one on your own site and another (unpublished on your own site) into an article directory!

Again, for anyone interested, you can find all of this is explained in some detail and at some length, by many successful article marketers who are earning a living from it, rather than repeating misinformation from the "Urban Myth School of Internet Marketing", just by following all the links in this post: http://www.warriorforum.com/main-int...ml#post5068872

It's important not to let your potential customers read an article in an article directory (we all lose most of that traffic, and those aren't the people for whom the article directory copy exists). This can make the difference between making a living and not making a living, and for many people it does. All the people who have started off the hundreds of threads here with titles like "Article Marketing Is Dead" and "Article Marketing Doesn't Work Any More" are the ones who have made these mistakes.

Also, for those willing to take the time and effort to read a longer thread, if you go carefully through this one, as mentioned above, you'll find on the way through a very large number of successful article marketers explaining in detail all their shared reasons for not doing what's suggested above, and why it's a mistake to try that. Can't make it much clearer than that!

Alexa - LOL did I say anything right at all?

Rewriting already published and indexed content from your blog isn't "giving away" much. It's not like you can post the rewritten content on your blog anyway. At least I wouldn't.
As for the duplicate content issue. What I'm thinking of are directories like Squidoo and Hubpages that are more strict with not publishing original content.

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Alexa Smith

Banned 11 years ago

Originally Posted by bkat52

What I'm thinking of are directories like Squidoo and Hubpages that are more strict with not publishing original content

Squidoo and HubPages are not directories at all.

They serve a totally different function. And that's part of the point, here.

(If your feeling about that is "Yes, but they can still fulfil some of the same purposes to me that an article directory can fulfil", respectfully, that's true only in so far as you haven't quite appreciated what the purpose of an article directory is!)

Originally Posted by bkat52

Rewriting already published and indexed content from your blog isn't "giving away" much.

It's unnecessary, this is the point. And it can have negative SEO effects on your own site compared with the alternatives. And it increases the chances of some potential customers finding article directory articles rather than your own site when you should be trying to do the exact opposite, for all the reasons explained at such length and in such detail by all the professional, successful article marketers commening in the threads to which I've linked above. There's nothing to be gained from doing that, however you look at it.

Originally Posted by bkat52

did I say anything right at all?

Yes, of course. You said "Well said" to Terra, above.

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bkat52

11 years ago

Alexa - thanks for taking the time to clear that up for me. I guess I have been rewriting articles all this time for no real purpose. Well, like a lifelong student, I learned something new today, again.

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Alexa Smith

Banned 11 years ago

Originally Posted by bkat52

Alexa - thanks for taking the time to clear that up for me. I guess I have been rewriting articles all this time for no real purpose.

Rewriting, maybe. Not writing - I don't think that for a moment (and hope and trust you don't either!)

I do think perhaps you may have been benefitting quite a bit less from your article marketing endeavours than you might have done (though you're by no means alone, there, and the same was true of me, too, not all that long ago!).

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morgain

11 years ago

It just pop-up another question in this matter - if I write and article, submit it in my site/blog and wait for be indexed etc. - on the end I will put the info and link for the product. I have red in other threads that is not good to put info about your products or links to your salespages in article directories - its bad for synergy, so if I just upload the article in the directory and left the added info about product and link just on my site, isnt it considered different article? As its not the same content - at least on the end?

dont know if I made my point here...but still

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Alexa Smith

Banned 11 years ago

Originally Posted by morgain

It just pop-up another question in this matter - if I write and article, submit it in my site/blog and wait for be indexed etc. - on the end I will put the info and link for the product.

I don't actually do that with any of the articles on any of my sites, but that's not to say that you shouldn't, of course. You can ...(but just not in the EZA copy, exactly as you say).

Originally Posted by morgain

I have red in other threads that is not good to put info about your products or links to your salespages in article directories - its bad for synergy

Yes indeed ... it's bad for a whole lot more than just synergy, too.

(Almost) nobody will re-publish articles mentioning a specific product. Articles are more for niches, than for products: the article is to attract the targeted traffic to your site, not to make the sale.

I'm not trying to suggest that there's anything wrong with an article promoting a product, or even one containing (or followed by) a link to a product, but there's no point in putting that in an article directory, because it will go no further from there than staying in the directory itself (and for all the reasons discussed above, you wouldn't want potential customers reading it in the directory rather than on your own website).

But you can always change the last line or two, before submitting articles to EZA, anyway.

The "resource-box" you'll want in EZA won't be the same as the article's last sentence or two on your site, clearly, because the purpose of putting articles in places other than your own site is to bring traffic to your own site, whereas in the case of the copy on your own site, those people are already there.

Originally Posted by morgain

if I just upload the article in the directory and left the added info about product and link just on my site, isnt it considered different article? As its not the same content - at least on the end?

Not really. This won't matter at all. It's only a sentence or two.

That's to say - you won't find, because you've done that, that Google will always be treating the EZA copies as "different articles". There's no problem, there.

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ahmar2

11 years ago

Just adding upon the answers from other warriors.

Don't post articles to article directories first.

Convert your website into Wordpress based. Wordpress has a great option of publish later. You can add 50 articles at once and then set them to publish automatically after every day or so on. Once all are published then submit to article directories.

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redeyegirl

11 years ago

There are two possiblities, if you wanted to post it on your blog you have to drive many traffic to your sites in order for the readers to read your articles, submit it into directories like ezine will help you get visitor to your website as there are many members in ezine looking for interesting articles everyday.

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Alexa Smith

Banned 11 years ago

Originally Posted by redeyegirl

there are many members in ezine looking for interesting articles everyday.

Those people are publishers, Redeyegirl. Ezine Articles (and other article directories) are there for them to source their continual content needs. They're people with ezines to publish, newsletters, and webmasters looking for articles to syndicate to their websites.

Our potential customers don't search inside Ezine Articles.

They search using search engines, and in some other ways.

The last thing any article marketer would want would be for their potential customers to find their sites via an article directory. We all lose most of that traffic.

The article directory makes its living (in AdSense clicks) from all the people who get that far and don't get as far as our own sites - that's their business model and income-source. They want "potential customers" clicking their (AdSense) links, not our resource-box links, and the layout of their sites is designed to mazimize the chances of that happening.

So that isn't a purpose or function we should ever want an article directory to fulfil for us. We want those people coming from search engines directly to our own site, and part of the art of article marketing is making sure that the publishers (who look inside EZA) find that copy and the potential customers find our own site and not the article directory. All explained here - http://www.warriorforum.com/main-int...ml#post5075780

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cardine

11 years ago

Originally Posted by Alexa Smith

Those people are publishers, Redeyegirl. Ezine Articles (and other article directories) are there for them to source their continual content needs. They're people with ezines to publish, newsletters, and webmasters looking for articles to syndicate to their websites.

Our potential customers don't search inside Ezine Articles.

They search using search engines, and in some other ways.

The last thing any article marketer would want would be for their potential customers to find their sites via an article directory. We all lose most of that traffic.

The article directory makes its living (in AdSense clicks) from all the people who get that far and don't get as far as our own sites - that's their business model and income-source. They want "potential customers" clicking their (AdSense) links, not our resource-box links, and the layout of their sites is designed to mazimize the chances of that happening.

So that isn't a purpose or function we should ever want an article directory to fulfil for us. We want those people coming from search engines directly to our own site, and part of the art of article marketing is making sure that the publishers (who look inside EZA) find that copy and the potential customers find our own site and not the article directory. All explained here - http://www.warriorforum.com/main-int...ml#post5075780

Article marketing still makes sense in this respect. You are giving them content in return for their authority. If everybody owned a site that could rank just as easily as EzineArticles nobody would ever use EzineArticles. But that's not the case, so it's better to get 25% of some page 1 traffic than get 100% of no traffic because your own site isn't ranking (even with good quality articles).

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Alexa Smith

Banned 11 years ago

Originally Posted by cardine

If everybody owned a site that could rank just as easily as EzineArticles nobody would ever use EzineArticles.

This is completely wrong.

Article marketers are not submitting to Ezine Articles for its "rank".

I, and all the other articles marketers I know, have sites that comprehensively outrank Ezine Articles but we're all still using Ezine Articles, because what we're using it for has absolutely nothing to do with SEO at all.

Has the entirety of all Google's 2011 "Panda updates" completely passed you by, Cardine

The ranking and traffic of the article directories (including Ezine Articles) has been absolutely decimated. EZA's traffic was, at one point, down nearly 90% because of all this. Obviously this is independently verifiable (and there are threads here full of charts demonstrating it) but they've also been discussing it fairly openly on their blog!

Originally Posted by cardine

But that's not the case, so it's better to get 25% of some page 1 traffic than get 100% of no traffic because your own site isn't ranking (even with good quality articles).

Sorry, but this is also completely wrong.

People whose own site can't outrank Ezine Articles have much bigger problems than anything that can be rectified by any considerations like this. These are typically people who have damaged their own SEO, relative to that of the directory, by submitting to EZA articles which they haven't previously published and had indexed on their own sites.

Like anyone, I can put up a brand new niche site with some good content, post a few articles to my own site and have them indexed there, have them syndicated a little to some quality, relevant sites, put copies of them in EZA, and within a month (and usually a lot less!) my site will comprehensively outrank EZA. It takes very little to do that. What it does take is an understanding of how to use article directories for their intended purpose rather than completely shooting your own site in the foot by doing what you suggest!

Our articles in Ezine Articles go on a non-context-relevant, general site, and on PR-0 pages. If one can't do a little better than that, for one's own site, then one has problems indeed!

Very often people who imagine that EZA can rank more easily than their own site simply don't understand that the reason for that is that they've damaged their own sites' SEO relative to that of directories by unnecessarily and ill-advisedly giving away initial indexation-rights to the directory.

They've done it to themselves (and then - characteristically - some of them even like to try to "blame Google" for it!). And they end up saying (exactly as you have just said, above), "Well, I'd rather put unique content in EZA and lose three-quarters of the traffic than have nothing at all!". What kind of a way to build up a business is that?!

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Alexa Smith

Banned 11 years ago

Originally Posted by morgain

or its ok when i submit all of them at once in article directories and publish them later on my page?

No - that would be very unwise.

Always on your own site first, and check that they've been indexed there before you ever submit them anywhere else at all.

http://www.warriorforum.com/main-int...eza-first.html

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morgain 11 years ago

yes thank you guys very much for answers )

one question more, do you know which article directories are best after google panda update? because I dont want to submit the articles to thousands of directories if it not works...
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Martin Pupke

11 years ago

From my experience submitting to multiple article directories is a very unproductive use of my time. I suggest that you only submit to 1 article directory - http://ezinearticles.com/

It's the best one out there.

Why would someone submit to multiple article directories?

For extra traffic? - Recent Google updates have tanked article directory rankings to the bottom of the pile where they belong.

For link juice? - Those links are practically worthless, can tell you this from experience.

An observation if I may - How do you have 50 articles that you don't know what to do with? I suspect that you either payed bottom dollar for them, I mean like $2 per article. Or you wrote them yourself with only quantity rather than quality in mind. I say that because writing 50 good quality articles will actually take a very long time, especially for a novice.

In either case, I suspect the content is not very good or engaging. You could produce a thousand articles and post a 10 per day. It still would't be as good as creating one highly engaging and authoritative piece that the audience in your niche can really connect with.

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Alexyew

11 years ago

Originally Posted by morgain

Hello warriors,
I wish to ask a question for article marketing. for example if i have like 50 articles and i want to publish them continuosly on my blog/site, not all of them in one day - do i have to submit them to article directories every day when I publish one? or its ok when i submit all of them at once in article directories and publish them later on my page?

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thanks for advice,
M.

Hi,

For article marketing, if you would like to publish your articles one per day, you can actually upload to article directories for once and select the date to publish the articles.

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morgain 11 years ago

wow thanks guys ) now it make more sense to me.
thanks a lot

again apart from ezine, are there good article directories after google panda update?
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- Alexa Smith Banned 11 years ago
  
  Originally Posted by morgain
  
  again apart from ezine, are there good article directories after google panda update?
  
  There's nothing that's anywhere near in the same league as Ezine Articles, at all.
  
  It's just "the one that everyone's heard of" and that makes it the place that publishers, ezine owners and webmasters looking for content routinely and instinctively go to, to source the content they continually need.
  
  I do sometimes submit an additional copy to either GoArticles or ArticleBase (but that's only because of the "eggs and baskets principle", and I can't claim I've actually benefitted from it, to be honest).
  
  If you can find a decent article directory that's specific to your niche, that would also be a good one to use, probably, because in theory even the directory's own backlink might possibly be worth something to you, that way, if it's really a relevant one. In theory, anyway! (There aren't very many, though).
  
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ashwin77

Banned 11 years ago

Originally Posted by morgain

Hello warriors,
I wish to ask a question for article marketing. for example if i have like 50 articles and i want to publish them continuosly on my blog/site, not all of them in one day - do i have to submit them to article directories every day when I publish one? or its ok when i submit all of them at once in article directories and publish them later on my page?

:confused:

thanks for advice,
M.

I guess it's better to post on your website first, and wait until it gets indexed, later u can submit it to directories.

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WarGasm

11 years ago

What ever you do don't submit them all at once, either on your site or to article directories.

Here's a great thread on article marketing, in particular using articles and link wheels to attract great link juice to your site.

http://www.warriorforum.com/adsense-...e-ranking.html

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rightseosteps

11 years ago

You should focus your article marketing to popular article directories such as ezine and goarticles. Google builds more trust in these sites but you shouldn't focus all your energy on article marketing, try guest posting to related sites, press release distribution or join link vana for content links.

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Randall Magwood

11 years ago

You dont have to submit them to the article directories at all if you like. I'd put them on my site or blog first. I dont even mess with the article directories anymore.

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samjaynz

11 years ago

Publish them to your site first, then directories second.

I don't see any harm in publishing all the articles in one big go (although it would be very time-consuming!)

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peteJ

11 years ago

Never Publish your article to the directory before your site, you always want your site to have the original content.

Also, try talking to other bloggers in your niche, and see if they will allow you to guest post your article on their site. Not only will your article get more views, but all of it will be targeted readers interested in your niche!

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nitin22

Banned 11 years ago

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Alexa Smith Banned 11 years ago

Originally Posted by nitin22

May be a better idea is keep articles on your site 100% unique. For article marketing use different articles.

That really, really isn't a "better" way, Nitin. It's a very much worse way.

For all the reasons explained so repeatedly above.

It involves giving an article directory previously unpublished content, and as explained above, that in itself is a big mistake.

As we've just seen from part of the conversation above, the people who do that are the ones who end up saying "Well, I'd rather lose three quarters of my traffic than get nothing at all". And there are reasons for that. Is that really how you'd want to try to build a business?!

Let me put it this way: in all of my 8 niches, it's something I'm pleased to see some of my competitors trying to do. :p

Originally Posted by nitin22

These a days G has come down real heavily on duplicate articles floating around the net.

<sigh> This little article will help you, Nitin - but only if you're willing to read it rather than repeating these urban myths based on misunderstandings: Article Marketers – Lay the Duplicate Content Myth To Rest Once and For All - Internet Marketing and Publishing Blog
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yasser

11 years ago

i would put the main article on my website. I would use a different article and spin it to multiple readable versions and then submit it to article directories. first submit to ezinearticles.

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thekencook

11 years ago

Very interesting reading the opinions. It would seem common sense to do a Venn diagram and pick the crossovers where people agree. Then again maybe not. Plan, post and evaluate. Look at your own data because it will be different than others. If you post on your PR3 site and wait 10 days then post on a PR7 site, guess what? Not to mention the entire page is indexed which means outbound links, advertisement, footers, headers. Duplicate isn't exactly duplicate. Finally those "crappy articles sites" may have something you don't: high PR inbound links. Think about it.

Again there is a lot of opinion expressed in this thread. Some of it is fairly accurate but I don't trust opinion - show me the data. I will say Nitin and Yasser are, for the most part, onto something.

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aarthielumalai

11 years ago

You should have original content on your blogs. So, it'll be better if you post the articles to your blogs first, and then syndicate them to the article directories (after the articles in your blog gets indexed of course).

Don't post all the articles at once. It might seem like unnatural link building. Well, let's say you post 2 articles per day on your blog. Then, as and when the posts get indexed, you can post them in the article directories. This type of posting will look more natural to Google.

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KingPop

11 years ago

Originally Posted by morgain

Hello warriors,
I wish to ask a question for article marketing. for example if i have like 50 articles and i want to publish them continuosly on my blog/site, not all of them in one day - do i have to submit them to article directories every day when I publish one? or its ok when i submit all of them at once in article directories and publish them later on my page?

:confused:

thanks for advice,
M.

wait never publish your blog articles on articles directories it may/will harm your site. never ever do that.

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eugenedm

11 years ago

I use Traffic Geyser to syndicate my articles and blogs but then I want to make sure I also have my official Wordpress blog or website to post my articles. This Wordpress blog is where my articles should first appear, one article per day and then schedule another article to post after 2 or 3 days.

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gcbmark20

11 years ago

HEY GUYS!!!

Just please listen to Alexa Smith when it comes to Article Marketing!!!

She really knows her stuff & doesn't ever give you any 2nd rate advice on this subject!

Please take this advice if you are going take anything away from this site.

All the best everyone & good luck with your future efforts!!!

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bkat52

11 years ago

Originally Posted by gcbmark20

HEY GUYS!!!

Just please listen to Alexa Smith when it comes to Article Marketing!!!

She really knows her stuff & doesn't ever give you any 2nd rate advice on this subject!

Please take this advice if you are going take anything away from this site.

All the best everyone & good luck with your future efforts!!!

This. I learned a lot just from reading this thread. And then I went back and read some of the links she posted as resources. Very enlightening to say the least (and a bit humbling).

So to anyone who is still confused, please take the time to go back and read the links Alexa posted to previous threads about this topic. They will help you understand the right way to go about article marketing and what its real purpose is to us internet marketers.

I'm the first to admit when I'm wrong and I have to say I was wrong about my approach to article marketing up until a few days ago.

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zakizarifah

11 years ago

Originally Posted by gcbmark20

HEY GUYS!!!

Just please listen to Alexa Smith when it comes to Article Marketing!!!

She really knows her stuff & doesn't ever give you any 2nd rate advice on this subject!

Please take this advice if you are going take anything away from this site.

All the best everyone & good luck with your future efforts!!!

I impress that she willing to share this information.

I have read the link she provided and all I can say is WOW.

I have read this somewhere:

If you do thing that you have done.
You will get what you already got.

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usainbolt

Banned 11 years ago

did you look into infobarrel OP? they're a growing site for this kind of thing

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