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Why John Chow Doesn't Join A Forum...

by Wade32
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John Chow makes over $40,000 per month with his blog. He has been named in the top 3 most influential bloggers of all time.

Yet he doesn't join a forum.

Now there is no pre-requisite for him to do so, but I had a theory and wanted to test this out.

Over the past 2 years, I built my blogs up to where they are today, not to brag, but I make over $13,000 per month with the 3 blogs that I do own. Now I realize that this may not be a lot of money to a lot of you guys, but for me, it's very comfortable. Right now, I am letting the blogs ride. Not doing any promotions or SEO, I am just allowing them to sit there. For the most part, this is working. The only thing that I actually do is email my list on all 3 blogs every month.

While working these blogs to get them to where they are at, I had no time whatsoever to join a forum. I didn't have any time to waste at all! For 12-16 hours every day I sat in front of the computer building links, creating content, or just doing something in general with the sites.

My theory is this. People that say they are working and making money online PLUS talking on a forum is probably not making that much! Newbies be aware when someone tells you that they are making a killing online and that they work every day making money. How in the world do they have enough time to stop what they are doing and talk on a forum?

I call B.S. When someone tells you that they make this much money and you always see them on these forums, call them on their BS.

I literally JUST got off the phone with John Chow, and I asked him why he never joined a forum. His answer was the same as mine would have been 2 months ago.

"I just don't have enough time. Anyone who is a serious money maker online doesn't have time to waste on a forum. Although a forum is great for social networking and probably good for a few couple hundred dollars, its not where your money is at. That's why I don't join a forum...because it's not profitable!"

That was the words out of John Chow's mouth. Not mine.

I realize that I will be getting a lot of mixed posts in this thread. I am not calling everyone on their BS. Just most of them. There is no possible way that you have any time to get on here and create thousands of posts and say you make a killing on the internet.

It took me 2 years of hard work to get to $13,000 per month...and I've got to take a breather!

But what aggravates me about SOME, not all, of the people on here is this: I have seen some posts where newbie's are asking some questions about something, and some B.S.'er lurks up and posts something totally crappy to them, discouraging them, or tells them that "they are not good enough" or "not as good as them" to create a website, content, or product...like they are mentioning in their question!

So newbie's beware! Although the Warrior Forum is a great place to come and get great ideas about internet marketing, sell some things, and make some friends, not everyone will have your best interests at heart!

The next time someone tries to discourage you from doing something, tell yourself the reason why John Chow doesn't join a forum! These people aren't making anything online...yet they feel their liberty to spout out useless information to a total newbie...and since they have more than 500 posts, their post is considered respected and legitimate!

Ok, so I'm ready for the lurkers to come bash this thread!
#chow #forum #john #join
  • Profile picture of the author Robert Michael
    lol. for the record.. if he (or anyone else) is making that kind of money, you would think they would be able to afford a virtual assistant to manage the work for them..

    you know - kind of like giant corporations do with their business....

    for example - you don't see the CEO of google, going and answering questions on their support forum...

    however - trust me when I say that I was making 4 figures DAILY for a very long time - and all i did was post on forums.

    so there are quite a few holes in your post..

    I think a better reason for why he doesn't join a forum, is "he doesn't want to"
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    • Profile picture of the author Wade32
      Originally Posted by Whos That Guru View Post

      lol. for the record.. if he (or anyone else) is making that kind of money, you would think they would be able to afford a virtual assistant to manage the work for them..

      you know - kind of like giant corporations do with their business....

      for example - you don't see the CEO of google, going and answering questions on their support forum...

      however - trust me when I say that I was making 4 figures DAILY for a very long time - and all i did was post on forums.

      so there are quite a few holes in your post..

      Trust me when YOU say "trust me" I don't believe you. You just proved my point.
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  • Profile picture of the author fin
    Is the forum in your signature your main money maker?

    I agree with what you said. I don't work on my website enough. I'm like you: just letting it sit there while I freelance to make enough money to move to a tropical country.

    Next month when I go, I'll have no time for forums because I'll be freelancing + working on my site full-time.
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    • Profile picture of the author Allan_Gardyne
      I can't speak for the forum members who make thousands of posts, but I hired my first part-time assistant in 1998 and my first full-time assistant in 1999.

      Here's one definition of a successful business that struck a chord with me... It's when you get the stage where you can step back from your business and it not only carries on without you, it keeps on growing. Now that's a goal to aim for.
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      • Profile picture of the author WillR
        Originally Posted by Allan_Gardyne View Post

        Here's one definition of a successful business that struck a chord with me... It's when you get the stage where you can step back from your business and it not only carries on without you, it keeps on growing. Now that's a goal to aim for.
        Exactly. The smart business people are those who understand you...

        "Work ON your business... Not IN your business."

        If you couldn't confidently step back and go away for a 2 week holiday WITHOUT any Internet access then your business is not running as efficiently as it could be. In that case you have a JOB not a business.
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  • Profile picture of the author JohnMcCabe
    Wade, you can check my post count and see that I'm hardly a 'lurker'.

    I'm not going to call you out on the post, because I agree with much of it. I do think you may be using a little too broad a brush by painting anyone who posts often as a failure.

    Myself, I tend to come here for my 'breathers' - if I don't switch gears once in a while, I tend to get stale. So I come to share what I know (which also helps me keep on top of my game), network with friends, and chill out.

    You'll see I go through stretches where I'm in and out several times a day and other stretches where I'm here for mere minutes.

    Who knows? Maybe if I bailed on this place and kept my shoulder to the wheel and my nose to the grindstone, I'd end up with more than a sore shoulder and flat face. But this suits my current way of working for now.
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    • Profile picture of the author Wade32
      Originally Posted by JohnMcCabe View Post

      Wade, you can check my post count and see that I'm hardly a 'lurker'.

      I'm not going to call you out on the post, because I agree with much of it. I do think you may be using a little too broad a brush by painting anyone who posts often as a failure.

      Myself, I tend to come here for my 'breathers' - if I don't switch gears once in a while, I tend to get stale. So I come to share what I know (which also helps me keep on top of my game), network with friends, and chill out.

      You'll see I go through stretches where I'm in and out several times a day and other stretches where I'm here for mere minutes.

      Who knows? Maybe if I bailed on this place and kept my shoulder to the wheel and my nose to the grindstone, I'd end up with more than a sore shoulder and flat face. But this suits my current way of working for now.

      I understand where you are coming from and I'm not saying that if you have 1,000 posts that you are a liar. In 2 months I plan on going back to work and probably wont be around any more for awhile. In 6 months I'll probably be back. If I keep doing this I'LL have a lot of posts.

      What I'm saying is these people that come on here and try to submerge the "newbies". To be honest with you, all I have ever seen you post is good, honest stuff.

      People that actually make the money seems like they try to help people.
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  • Profile picture of the author WillR
    It depends who you want to be.

    1. The guy sitting infront of his computer for 12-16 hours everyday making good money but with absolutely no quality of life.

    2. The guy who makes money online, also has others doing a lot of the work for them, and has the time for other things in life. To many people, forum posting is a hobby and something they enjoy. Is it really wrong for people to do something they enjoy? If so, you need to re-evaluate your business. Life ain't all about the money. There are plenty of people with a load of money who are very unhappy people. Most lawyers are a good example of that.

    I sure know which one I would rather be. If you don't have a measly 10 minutes per day to enter a forum then you really have things setup incorrectly. That is not the kind of business I want to be running.
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  • Profile picture of the author Robert Michael
    lol ok?

    thats the difference here.. and trust me when I say that I'm not here to get people like you to "believe me"

    But if you MUST go and try to find some proof, feel free to stalk my post history.

    When I'm up, I admit that I'm up.

    When things are going bad, I'm not the "fake it til u make it" kind of guy - I admit when I'm broke.

    Just click the thread in my sig for proof - I practically laid out my entire life story in there.

    So what exactly are you trying to say...?

    I'm here to cure my boredom & try to socialize with like-minded people, while my wife is either at work, exercising, or any other number of things that I want nothing to do with (lulz) - and yes, make money.

    Regardless of what YOU believe, the truth is that you can make a HUGE amount of money, simply by posting on forums.

    And those 4-figure days that I was talking about were coming JUST FROM forum posting. I wasn't including what I was making outside of the forum.

    So the fact here, is that I don't give a damn what you believe.

    I'm not here to prove anything to you, or to anybody else kid.

    However you have been a member for a whole 2 months - and in that time, you've racked up almost 400 posts.

    YOU and YOUR POST are nothing but a contradiction.

    Lets see what YOUR posts per day count is, shall we?

    Oh here it is - 7.59

    Now lets see mine - a "WHOPPING" 3.84

    so please, tell us more on this subject since you know everything
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  • Profile picture of the author travlinguy
    Everyone has a different situation. I did some writing for a guy a few years ago who paid $10,000 a month to be in a marketing mastermind group. He was pulling in just under five million a year. He worked a couple of hours a day and played the rest of the time. He had plenty of time to be on a forum or anywhere else he wanted to be.

    Just because a successful blogger says something doesn't make it gospel, though I tend to agree with him about the time factor thing. I know a very wealthy writer who works four hours a day because he wants to not because he has to. One thing I learned a long time ago is, most things are not as they appear to be.
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  • Profile picture of the author onSubie
    He probably also doesn't go out to movies, sporting events or play golf as those are all terrible time wasters that generate no income.

    I doubt he finds the time to volunteer for the less fortunate as that certainly doesn't generate an income.

    Come to think of it, there are many things I do that do not bring an almighty dollar into my pocket.

    Not sure I envy John Chow at all.

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    • Profile picture of the author WillR
      Originally Posted by onSubie View Post

      Not sure I envy John Chow at all.
      ^^^^^^^^^^^^^

      THIS! Who said anyone here envies John Chow? I sure don't after reading this thread.

      There are people making WAY more money than he does by doing WAY less work.

      They are the smart people. They are the people I like to replicate. Not some blogger who works 16 hour days.
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      • Profile picture of the author Walter Parrish
        See lol this is just another reason why I don't like the words Work & Job.

        Let's break this all down.
        1 You do blogging which is writing, writing takes time, so yes I agree with you that a writer probably wouldn't have much time to be on WF, but that is assuming a lot. That's assuming that every writer takes as much time to get thing's done as you do.

        2 Not everyone on the warrior forum are bloggers or writers. While we may write some, it's not going to be the same as someone who blogs for their money.

        3 I don't know if you are aware or not, but not only are forums good for meeting new folks, mentioning products, and helping people, but they are also good for marketing our wares. Read up more on the use of forum signatures for marketing. I would have thought that you would have been aware, that WF is in the search engines and that when folks search google they are often led straight to WF for answers and guess who's signature link their going to click? So, being on WF could be considered part of doing business.

        4 I think it was Robert Kiyosaki that said if you cannot walk away from your business and have it run itself for a year. Then you don't have a business you've got a JOB.

        5 Most here I think are learning how to create and run a business, and some are already running businesses, if they got a real business then like the other poster said they can work 2 hours and play golf and do whatever they want with the rest of their day.

        6 On a personal note and I've posted this before when I look at something I basically look for 2 things. How much control would I have over it and can it be automated. Basically, what I'm looking at is something that will basically run itself.

        7 It has been shown that we can usually get more down if we work any wheres from 15 to 30 minutes and take breaks in between and hey there is no better break than hitting the WF, learning, helping people, and sharing ideas.
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    • Profile picture of the author sbucciarel
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      Originally Posted by onSubie View Post

      He probably also doesn't go out to movies, sporting events or play golf as those are all terrible time wasters that generate no income.

      I doubt he finds the time to volunteer for the less fortunate as that certainly doesn't generate an income.

      Come to think of it, there are many things I do that do not bring an almighty dollar into my pocket.

      Not sure I envy John Chow at all.

      Mahlon
      From what I've seen of his blog, he spends a great deal of time eating in restaurants and taking pictures of his meals :p (Probably how he got his name ..... John Chow
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      • Profile picture of the author fin
        @Joseph,

        I'd be surprised if it was $5000 per month tbh. But I suppose I'm just a hater now lol.
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      • Profile picture of the author GMT
        @op I think you're unnecessarily throwing John Chow under the bus, I doubt he knew his words and name were going to end up in a thread on one of the most popular internet marketing forums in the world to supplement your personal view which by the way, is bound to obviously cause controversy and possibly make him look bad in the process and maybe yourself.Fact of the matter is everyone has their ways of doing things, just because you're unable(or able) to do something a certain way doesn't mean others aren't or are. And really I think you'd be surprised about how efficient some peoples setups are, in terms of a time/money/workload/delegation process. The streamline of some operations is really a work of art unto itself, and highly intriguing!
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  • Profile picture of the author fin
    @Wade,

    Is the blog in your sig your main money maker?
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  • Profile picture of the author Robert Michael
    Here, let me lay out even more of my personal life for all to see (since apparently, I don't do enough of that already for people like the OP's liking)

    My wife works practically EVERY DAY.

    She is the assistant manager at a store with nothing but lazy employees, who call out sick every chance they get.

    Sneezing? Uh oh, better call off.

    I sit here day in & day out with myself and my dog - And no matter how much time I spend in my pool, or how much time I drive aimlessly around town or "go on adventures" - I still have way too much time in this house.

    Since I'm not going to cheat on my spouse just to have some human interaction, you're damn right - I go and I post on forums - It sure as hell beats typing to a blog, where no human response comes (or at least, not instantly)

    But if you're going to do something - you might as well get paid for it.. Hence the signature promoting stuff.. DUH

    So again, you can believe what I say, or you can not.. I truly couldn't care less.

    Anybody who knows me on here will verify what I'm telling you.

    I don't go around spewing BS from my keyboard. If I say something, its true.

    I have absolutely no reason to lie on the internet - and neither does anybody else.

    If you cant be honest online, where CAN you be honest? I mean seriously..? Get a grip dude..

    Like I said earlier - when I'm up, I admit that I'm up.

    And when I'm down, I admit that too.

    So say what you will.. I really dont care. But I have all the time in the world to sit here & post on forums if I choose to.. And its not taking away from my earnings one bit.
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    • Profile picture of the author sbucciarel
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      Originally Posted by joseph7384 View Post

      For someone who doesn't need to prove how much money they are making, you sure like to brag.

      In this thread here the Op states that he has $300 to spend and needs help starting online and you swoop down like a vulture and say

      Originally Posted by Wade32 View Post
      I would set up your website and try to help you get started.
      The guy ignores your reply and a few members post and you again come to his rescue

      Originally Posted by Wade32 View Post
      I'm sitting here telling you that I will help you if you want me to.
      In another thread here you are as the savior again.

      Originally Posted by Wade32 View Post
      I usually do this for big corporations. I can do SEO & social media promotion too
      Depending on your keywords, I can get you on the first page of Google within one month.

      If you are interested, pm me & we can talk price. I have a price for everyone's budget.
      Yet in another thread you brag about making $5000.00 again.

      Originally Posted by Wade32 View Post
      I am willing to help anyone that I can for free. I am always willing to help. I make over $5,000 per month with IM business, I may not be the most knowledgeable person on here but I am willing to help you.
      Oh by the way, how is it in these other threads you are making $5,000 and just a few days later in this thread your income jumped to 13,000.

      It was when I saw your reply to Who's that Guru's post that got my blood boiling, you outright called him a liar, you have a bad habit of being very rude to members here and it's unprovoked rudeness.
      Thank you Joseph for that fine job of curation

      As for the question of newbies ... some people will tell you to put your $300 away and save it (like I did in that same thread) until you know more and are less likely to lose that money and then there are the
      ... sharks swirling in the waters, waiting to feed off the newbie hide.
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      • Profile picture of the author fin
        Originally Posted by sbucciarel View Post

        ... sharks swirling in the waters, waiting to feed off the newbie hide.
        I just got off the phone with Roy Scheider and he agrees.
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  • Profile picture of the author sbucciarel
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    I don't make money from blogging. I'm a designer and offer products and services rather than writing content for a blog. Different strokes for different folks. I've never claimed to own a yacht and don't want one, but I've made a full time living online for over 12 years. I'm happy with that.

    I also enjoy a lot of the people here and like to take the time to read and talk to others. I consider it networking and socializing and I have time for both.
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    • Profile picture of the author Robert M Gouge
      Originally Posted by sbucciarel View Post

      I don't make money from blogging. I'm a designer and offer products and services rather than writing content for a blog. Different strokes for different folks. I've never claimed to own a yacht and don't want one, but I've made a full time living online for over 12 years. I'm happy with that.

      I also enjoy a lot of the people here and like to take the time to read and talk to others. I consider it networking and socializing and I have time for both.
      Poasting in an epic bread.

      Side note: I agree with this. I like to take frequent, short 5-10 minute breaks during the work. Otherwise the eyes start to bleed. Good way to forget about things and relax when frustrated trying to figure out why program xyz won't produce abc outcome or having coding/formatting issues.
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    Well put joseph7384
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  • Profile picture of the author salegurus
    OP probably wishes he never started this thread. Hounds are out tonight LOL...
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  • Profile picture of the author mtihani
    If he has to work 12+ hours a day on his blog, then it becomes a JOB. Aren't we internet marketers so that we don't have to live in the "rat race"?
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  • Profile picture of the author BloggingPro
    Seems to me like your post, while well written, wasn't well-thought out.

    There are a select few Warriors who belong to this forum and their posts pop up in the WSO section nearly everyday. Now at $40 a bump, I'm thinking these guys have to be making more than "chump" change to keep the wheels-a-turning.

    Or what about the Warrior For Hire section? Surely there's some writers, designers and programmers making more than "chump" change.

    Also. It seems that you enjoy what John Chow provides. Being that he has stated he doesn't have time for marketing forums, why would you yourself come join one? You worked for TWO years to earn $13,000 a month.

    Why sign up now? So that you could tell all of us that we aren't making enough money because we have time to post on a forum?

    Still 2 + 2 isn't equaling 4. Either way you slice it, your post is contradictory and ridiculously ignorant.

    For example. If I, as in me personally, were making $13,000 a month I would only care to pop onto my WF account to say hello to the friends I made along the way.

    But you? Your making $13,000 and still have time to come here and post? And then say those of us that are members here just aren't making the big bucks... because we are members here?

    It's like a bad case of WFception!

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  • Profile picture of the author Adie
    No one knows whether he is in this forum or not... Why would someone reveal himself?
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  • Profile picture of the author E. Brian Rose
    I have been successfully marketing online since 1999 and forums have been an invaluable asset to me throughout the years.

    Back in the poker days, I met a guy that I eventually partnered with and was able to my business to Vegas. I ended up selling that business for a pretty penny. Thank you poker forums.

    The Warrior Forum has been just as helpful. In addition to selling a lot of product here, I've met a lot of people that I have been able to form lucrative partnerships with.

    I had a plan to start an affiliate network that would take things to the next level. I spent months searching for coders and the right partners to help me launch it. If it were not for my contacts in the Warrior Forum, JVZoo would probably not exist today.

    The OP can say that successful people don't use forums all he wants. I know differently.

    It's all about moderation. Use forums to gain contacts, build a reputation, and blow off a little steam. Get addicted and your productivity goes down hill.

    As for Chow.. who cares what Chow does?
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  • Profile picture of the author WinstonTian
    Again with the blanket statements.

    He's completely right though... Joining a forum isn't exactly
    very productive, because it often results in feuds, pointless
    "Someone is wrong on the Internet" phenomenons and complete
    time drain.

    But there are certain boards where you're excused from that,
    and the Warrior Forum's one of them.

    I've met tons of awesome and genuine Warriors here. They
    probably make far more than John Chow can even fathom.

    This place is a proliferation of information and skilled
    talent... Though I see a lot of negative examples where
    I just tend to stay away from. (I can't deny that)

    But maybe it's because I can't resist social interaction?


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  • Profile picture of the author PsycFa
    WOW quite a thread and many contradictions.. Nevertheless let me say this John Chow might be making such amount of money per month and he is working his arse off for how many hours per day?

    Like someone mentioned in this thread; a real "business" is when you can step back and let it run by itself. Majority of people coming to this forum are looking:

    1. To achieve their financial freedom
    2. To network/interact
    3. To learn

    It can be either one of these main 3. I do not think John Chow can be really categorized as a person looking for these aspects; so comparing him to forums members is quite futile.

    Did you check his blog? Most of them are food reviews...
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  • Profile picture of the author AmandaT
    Forums are how I meet people, keep up on trends, and take a break from the actual work without leaving my desk. The reason I work online is so I CAN have time to do whatever I want.

    I make a great living and I have plenty of time to post on forums, hang out on social networking sites, or just get out of the house and have a good time. That is because I reinvest a portion of my profits each month into hiring OTHER people to do that tedious stuff that takes hours to do. I come up with the ideas. I do the writing when I feel like doing it. I let other people handle graphics, backlinks, and all of that stuff I don't enjoy.

    While I'm sure there are some people spending time here that may be better spent working, I believe in working smarter, not harder. Sure, I was one of those 16 hour a day people a year ago, but I can't imagine ever going back to that now.
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  • Profile picture of the author seosoldier
    I'm not sure exactly what the OP was trying to say but it's an interesting topic as to whether people who come here are successful or not and whether or not truly successful people have time to post at a forum such as this.

    I think the answer is that there are all sorts of people so there is no clear answer as to what "successful people" do.

    Some people like the social interaction on forums - it's a way to relax. Other people like to pick fights. And some people come here to learn and others come here to teach or help.

    I do think your point about newbies needing to be careful here is a good point, there are definitely sharks in the water at the WF but with some awareness you can avoid being their prey.

    I think that there are certainly people here at WF making 6 figures; and there are probably more who pretend to be making a lot more than they actually make.

    What kills me is when I see WSO's posted that say, basically "I'm making $10k/month and I've come here to help you do the same by selling you this WSO for $8." (with a $15 OTO of course!)

    Right now there's one about a system that makes people 1.5 million $ or some such...

    I always have to laugh... If the guy posting the WSO was making $10k a month would he really need to sell a WSO for $8? I suppose some MAKE THEIR $10k a month in part by selling WSO's... Still, it seems to me that if you can make $10k a month WITH THE SYSTEM YOU ARE SELLING, then why sell it?

    I also suppose that $10k/mo is "chump change" to some. But not many...

    I would imagine that the percentage of people making over, say, $6k/month on this forum is pretty small. I'd love to see an Anonymous and honest poll of what people here make via IM.

    Personally I come here to check out the WSO's (a bad habit admittedly) and to see what's free in the War Room (a better habit!), and I write maybe 5 posts a week (?) if that, because I AM working on my business(es). And I still have a j.o.b. too which is why I have to spend my free time working on my businesses, not coming here, to get OUT of that j.o.b.!

    And just for the record, if I was making 6 figures with IM, I probably wouldn't come here. I'd probably outsource a lot of my work and lay in a hammock under a tree on a beach in the tropics most of my day.
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    • Profile picture of the author Walter Parrish
      Originally Posted by seosoldier View Post

      What kills me is when I see WSO's posted that say, basically "I'm making $10k/month and I've come here to help you do the same by selling you this WSO for $8." (with a $15 OTO of course!)

      Right now there's one about a system that makes people 1.5 million $ or some such...

      I always have to laugh... If the guy posting the WSO was making $10k a month would he really need to sell a WSO for $8? I suppose some MAKE THEIR $10k a month in part by selling WSO's... Still, it seems to me that if you can make $10k a month WITH THE SYSTEM YOU ARE SELLING, then why sell it?
      I think you're missing the whole idea behind the marketing. While there are many that use fake numbers to sell a WSO. I can see exactly why a WSO may be sold cheap from a personal and business perspective. If I am marketing to a newbie or someone a little new to IM I may do a WSO on the cheap. The object would be to educate the buyer in hopes that after they are educated and actually applying what I am teaching, that they would go for the more advanced training down the road when they are actually bringing in some decent money.

      The problem with people though is that roughly 95 percent just talk and socialize and do little or nothing with the products they purchase. Others well they don't even get started. I mean it's one thing to sit and talk about what some guru or warrior is doing and another to actually buy the products and find out for yourself. I've seen mostly decent WSO's come out, some cover stuff we already know, some cover both the old and the new, but one thing is consistent a good Model to follow. That's the part that many miss when they see stuff like list building, blogging, forum marketing etc mentioned and they close the book or stop the video clip, missing the whole pot of gold The Model.
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  • Profile picture of the author Coby
    I've spent a lot of time on this forum...

    I've not spent as much time posting over the last 4-6 months...

    Was I working?

    No!

    I was traveling and enjoying being free to do what I want, when I want...

    How was I able to do that... 90% of it is due to this forum alone...

    To each their own....
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  • Profile picture of the author JasonParker
    From all the jv partners and knowledge I've gained and shared on this forum, you already know my answer...

    Damn bloggers...
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  • Profile picture of the author SuzanneH
    While working these blogs to get them to where they are at, I had no time whatsoever to join a forum. I didn't have any time to waste at all!
    Says the man who has a forum in his sig... ;-)

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  • Profile picture of the author Joseph Michael
    If your bread and butter is WSO's and the MMO market then posting int he Warrior Forum is of course going to be profitable...

    (ducks)
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  • Profile picture of the author williamtan
    I'm enjoying this thread. And that's why I'm here. WF is the place where I .... take a breather, learn something from fellow warriors, picking up good WSOs, learn more .... and most importantly, relax.

    Here's my preferred place for enrichment and I'm enjoying it.

    Disclaimer- I'm not a full time IMer. I love my offline "rat"-race job - teaching
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  • Profile picture of the author MakeMoneyKid
    Thanks a million, Wade. I never noticed that thing that how come six figure earners are scribbling on forums and other sites. Really thanks a lot!
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  • Profile picture of the author Paperchasing
    Originally Posted by Wade32 View Post

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    Or, maybe he just doesn't want or need to join a forum, and there really isn't anything else to analyze from it. I don't think you can extrapolate whether someone is or isn't making money based on what websites they visit. Lots of people make money with or without them, for all the possible reasons in the world. Some people find forums time consuming and not worthwhile. Some people get a lot out of them and find them worthwhile. This dichotomy exists for pretty much anything you can think of, and it depends on the individual.
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  • Profile picture of the author Anonymous Affiliate
    I think the main point of the OP was that newbies need to be careful of the opinions tossed around the WF because most of those opinions come from people who hardly make any money online: they spend more time in the WF than they do making money on their business. And to that, I must agree.

    The whole John Chow plot was unnecessary though.
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  • Profile picture of the author JeremiahSay
    All I can say is different people have different ways of making money online. What might work for me might not work for others. Vice versa.

    Some people are making a killing with forums, but for John case.. He's probably making money with his blog.

    Moral of the story: Find what works best for you..... And stick with it
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    • Profile picture of the author Martin Luxton
      What John Chow says ain't necessarily what John Chow does.

      What John Chow says he earns ain't necessarily what John Chow earns.

      John Chow could also be GuruXYZ12345 who makes $50,000 a month on the WSO Forum.

      Or he could even be BlackhatGuruABC who makes $1,000,000 a year spamming people with Xrumer.


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      • Profile picture of the author DubDubDubDot
        He doesn't post to forums because the forum hit squads would jeopardize his online persona. His operation revolves around the perception that he is a dot com mogul with all the answers. That is the John Chow brand.

        It's a similar story with all of the well known guru characters. Controlled environments are necessary to manage their image. They don't have the substance to interact with common everyday criticism and walk away still looking like the guru.

        Originally Posted by Martin Luxton View Post

        What John Chow says he earns ain't necessarily what John Chow earns.
        How long has he been earning $40,000/mo and why doesn't that figure ever go up or down?
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    • Profile picture of the author Richard Van
      I think this thread ended nicely with Joseph at post #17.

      Deary me Wade, always remember some of us even have time to look through your previous posts as well.

      I'm even more amazed you made a bizarre post like that having made more than one post every day since you joined in June.
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  • Profile picture of the author SUPER Louie
    It depends on which forum you join. If you join one that's full of newbies, then it's a waste of time.

    I join private forums where action-takers provide expert opinion and information.
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  • Profile picture of the author Aira Bongco
    You forgot that there are more ways to make money than create a website - and even that can be outsourced.

    You can create a product and promote it to your list - that does not take as much time. If you can put 1 hour per day creating a product and setting it up, you can let it make the money for you.

    You can create a product and bump it as a WSO. You can JV and use other people's lists to grow yours and make more money. That will take a few e-mail messages per day.

    I thought that this is a John Chow hate thread but I was quite surprised that it's the opposite.
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  • Profile picture of the author Martin Avis
    The big lesson that I've learned from this thread is that blogging for a living sounds like WAY too much work for me. 16 hours a day??? Get a life! If I work 16 hours a MONTH I consider I've worked overtime.

    All I can say is that anyone who thinks that Internet marketing success is about strapping yourself to a treadmill for hours on end is clearly doing the wrong kind of Internet marketing!
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  • Profile picture of the author Weedy92
    Just stop don't call out JC when you can't even reach his claims..

    You say you make $13K/month. But let's go take a look at your website. It's a reflection of your true self, and there's no catagory pages, no proper-on-page, etc.

    If you want to "advertise" yourself on here and try to get people to click on your signature links and go to your website.. Do it the right way. Don't make claims you can't back up. Also looked at your posts, and can confirm you lied to everyone..
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    • Profile picture of the author fin
      I think this thread should go to sleep now.

      I'm sure Wade feels bad he made a mistake, but I'm sure he's not the only one that's exaggerated.

      I do agree that spending too much time on here can suck the time out of your business.
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