by JacobR
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So I'm new. Like greener than green new. I've fallen in love with internet marketing but know very little other than definitions. I've half-assed tried affiliate and niche marketing and of course haven't been successful. So I found this site while looking for answers. I haven't really dived in yet, for the record. Before I start reading and watching videos I have a couple of questions.

Preface by saying: I have no business, clients, products, or ideas.

A) Just sat through a Frank Kern webinar. Waiting to hear from him for my interview to get in his 7 week MAGIC coaching. It costs $ 10k (I can get the money no problem, but would have to pay it back within a year). Is it worth it for a complete newb? will he even accept me? Or should I start somewhere else?

B) I see a lot of you have links to programs "free". I have signed up for similar stuff and all it does is flood my inbox with newsletters and links to useless info. Are there any real free programs out there?

C) Full Sail university offers a bachelor's degree in IM. Should I pursue that? I have most of my Gen ed's done but my paralegal studies AS classes probably wouldn't count.

D) Any advice you have would be much appreciated.

Jake
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  • Profile picture of the author Tonylee93
    Hello! Welcome into the internet marketing world! I hope you get to earning as soon as possible. I remember when I first started and all of the things I've learnt from this forum. Read some posts and get right to action. WF is a perfect place to start the journey of earning online.

    I recommend learning as much as you can to start, and then just jump right in to it. Whatever it might be but just make sure to take action. If it's SEO, Copy writing, Ghost Writing, Squidoo or blogging. Freelancing or even just Data entry jobs. Get started right away! The more you experience the better off you will be!
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  • Profile picture of the author sbucciarel
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    Originally Posted by JacobR View Post

    So I'm new. Like greener than green new. I've fallen in love with internet marketing but know very little other than definitions. I've half-assed tried affiliate and niche marketing and of course haven't been successful. So I found this site while looking for answers. I haven't really dived in yet, for the record. Before I start reading and watching videos I have a couple of questions.

    Preface by saying: I have no business, clients, products, or ideas.

    A) Just sat through a Frank Kern webinar. Waiting to hear from him for my interview to get in his 7 week MAGIC coaching. It costs $ 10k (I can get the money no problem, but would have to pay it back within a year). Is it worth it for a complete newb? will he even accept me? Or should I start somewhere else?

    B) I see a lot of you have links to programs "free". I have signed up for similar stuff and all it does is flood my inbox with newsletters and links to useless info. Are there any real free programs out there?

    C) Full Sail university offers a bachelor's degree in IM. Should I pursue that? I have most of my Gen ed's done but my paralegal studies AS classes probably wouldn't count.

    D) Any advice you have would be much appreciated.

    Jake
    Honestly ... I wouldn't blow 10K to get "Magic" coaching. The magic happens when 10K is transferred from your bank account to his. There's so much free information on this forum and people to give you advice and much cheaper products to learn from ... save your money and spend it when you've learned enough that you know what you want to spend it on.

    You will need to buckle down and do the research yourself and find something you are interested in. Once you've determined that, then spend a little money to learn whatever is necessary to make it work.

    Don't blow 10K.
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    • Profile picture of the author SOCAL777
      Originally Posted by sbucciarel View Post

      Honestly ... I wouldn't blow 10K to get "Magic" coaching. The magic happens when 10K is transferred from your bank account to his. There's so much free information on this forum and people to give you advice and much cheaper products to learn from ... save your money and spend it when you've learned enough that you know what you want to spend it on.

      You will need to buckle down and do the research yourself and find something you are interested in. Once you've determined that, then spend a little money to learn whatever is necessary to make it work.

      Don't blow 10K.
      Great post.

      With a course like that, he'll already be in 10K. It's just not worth it when all the info is here for FREE.

      I'd suggest he save that money and use a fraction of it to build his business once he decides which area of IM he wants to sink his teeth into.
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  • Profile picture of the author rocketmary
    Do NOT blow $10k before you have a single client. It's not necessary and it will put you in the whole before you start. You can learn everything you need to get clients online for free, it just takes some extra work. Save your money and invest it in creating a business for yourself.

    The best way to learn internet marketing is to do it. Get started. If you can't get a paid client then work for free. You need to start implementing some of the stuff you already know and are learning. Getting a degree in IM isn't necessary - experience is. So get started!
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  • Profile picture of the author sbucciarel
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    ... oh, and when that phone call comes from the call center or whatever method he's using to close this deal, hang up. They're good at what they do, which is parting people and their money. I've never heard a single person say that they were glad they spent 10K on any one program, but I've heard plenty say they felt like they got ripped off.

    Honestly, I'm not calling Kern a scammer. Don't know what he'll provide for that money, but I can tell you this ... you can build a business based mostly on the information and help here and only spend a very small fraction of that 10K.
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  • Profile picture of the author Devin2290
    Do not spend anything near 10k on any kind of coaching.
    Do not pursue a "degree" in IM.

    Read and learn as much as you can for a while.
    Maybe buy a few inexpensive guides or programs.
    If you're going to spend money, put it towards outsourcing something or paying for some traffic to test an offer.
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  • Profile picture of the author JacobR
    Hey guys,

    Thanks for all the responses. Frank is calling me today at 3pm Eastern. Do you guys have any recommended questions that I should ask him?
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    • Profile picture of the author SOCAL777
      Originally Posted by JacobR View Post

      Hey guys,

      Thanks for all the responses. Frank is calling me today at 3pm Eastern. Do you guys have any recommended questions that I should ask him?
      Don't take the call. Save the 10K and read your arse off for a few months!

      As sbucciarel stated, I have never heard of anyone claim that dropping 10K on a course was the best investment they ever made. In fact, I've seen nothing but regrets, sadness, and depression from those folks.
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      • Profile picture of the author JacobR
        So here is the conversation review:

        Frank Kern is possibly the coolest dude ever. His one question for me at the beginning was "What product are you wanting to sell using my program?" I told him that I didn't really have one. He went on to say that his program wasn't really for newbs and recommends I don't do it, but he had time to answer more questions. So I asked him where to begin. He gave me some names of teachers and programs, emailed me a link to a video he had made about finding your product idea and told me to ignore the sales pitch at the end. He was super helpful! Then we had a 5 minute personal discussion (which I won't share due to respecting his privacy) and just got along famously.

        So my conclusion is this: I am going to take the advice of all of you kind folks (except I answered the phone!) and LEARN/READ/LEARN until my brain leaks out of my ears. Then when the day comes that I have 10k to spend freely...I WILL be doing his program.

        Thank you all for your advice and thank you Frank Kern for being such a wonderful and honest guy.
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        • Profile picture of the author sbucciarel
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          Originally Posted by JacobR View Post

          So here is the conversation review:

          Frank Kern is possibly the coolest dude ever. His one question for me at the beginning was "What product are you wanting to sell using my program?" I told him that I didn't really have one. He went on to say that his program wasn't really for newbs and recommends I don't do it, but he had time to answer more questions. So I asked him where to begin. He gave me some names of teachers and programs, emailed me a link to a video he had made about finding your product idea and told me to ignore the sales pitch at the end. He also chose to give me all the freebies people who do the program get. Then we had a 5 minute personal discussion (which I won't share due to respecting his privacy) and just got along famously.

          So my conclusion is this: I am going to take the advice of all of you kind folks (except I answered the phone!) and LEARN/READ/LEARN until my brain leaks out of my ears. Then when the day comes that I have 10k to spend freely...I WILL be doing his program.

          Thank you all for your advice and thank you Frank Kern for being such a wonderful and honest guy.
          Respect to Frank Kern for that conversation. I'm glad it worked out that way for you. You might benefit from a high priced product when you are further along, but it's too soon to sink that kind of money into a product/consultation/service.
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          • Profile picture of the author cashp0wer
            Welcome to the Warrior Forum Jake (I have a son named Jake!) - You have found the perfect place to learn and it sounds like you are truly interested so you should do great.
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        • Profile picture of the author misterme
          Originally Posted by JacobR View Post

          So here is the conversation review:

          Frank Kern is possibly the coolest dude ever. His one question for me at the beginning was "What product are you wanting to sell using my program?"
          I'll show you how to learn from Frank Kern without buying a course.

          Watch what he does. See how his first question to you was intended to have you think in terms of owning his product? There's your sales lesson for today.
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  • Profile picture of the author sbucciarel
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    Actually, if you read the responses, you'd be inclined to either head for the hills with no cell phone before 3:00 or cut all the lines to your telephones.
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    • Profile picture of the author JacobR
      Frank Kern is a legitimate business man and respected by the top dogs of IM. I think that deserves at least a 15 minute phone conversation. Realistically, should I trust random guys on a forum or a known industry leader? Not saying my mind is made up, just saying he deserves a little attention. So again, I ask:

      What questions should I ask Frank Kern during our conversation at 3pm E ??
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  • Profile picture of the author sbucciarel
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    Ummm ... how about what are you going to get exactly for 10K.
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  • Profile picture of the author bhl2506
    Looks like the op just wants reassurance before parting with his money.
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    • Profile picture of the author sbucciarel
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      Originally Posted by bhl2506 View Post

      Looks like the op just wants reassurance before parting with his money.
      He's been warned. Don't want to see a screaming thread about being broke and 10K in debt and can't pay his mortgage thread in the future.
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  • Profile picture of the author DDavisDesign
    Frank Kern is decent, he was a Traffic Geyser Gent with Mike Koenigs one of the upper coaches, I spent time with that group for about a Year learned a lot, but just as sbucciarel stated its all in the reading, learn, learn, read, read, you will find that you will be inundated with info pretty soon, not only that but everyone wants to be a mentor, coach, Guru, its about finding your niche, I for one got sick of all the hype and began marketing the marketers. sbucciarel can attest to my comment or throw it away for what its worth. I have been in this industry since the 80s and made some pretty bank in the 90s and now the industry is so selective and overloaded with Act Now, MLM, Affiliate, get rich quick schemas that its hard to find the authentic stuff. After the Facebook movie came out we all had a limited time before the Corporations got into the Game. I could be rambling on, and probably am, since i havent posted much in the warrior forum and am not a golden War Room Member yet, but really. Im just an honest worker, doing authentic content, its hard, it takes time, but its not automated, just good old fashion work. I was once told, the money looks good in my pocket not theirs, so the popularity of the net or coach, guru, is about getting more followers, and those followers are to pay a percentage and that feeds the system of choice. Forex, Gold, Diet Pills, Social Media, Design, Software, Hardware, IT experts, share share share, just as stated before, a good coach or experienced person will share, and RESPOND to their emails, questions, or concerns, and not be an automated BOT. Its all about interactivity, authentic interactivity from a person, cause we all know when a bot hits us. Shoot like i know what im talking about thanks for the box put me too high hahahah LOL thanks hope the best for ya
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    • Profile picture of the author sbucciarel
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      Originally Posted by DDavisDesign View Post

      Frank Kern is decent, he was a Traffic Geyser Gent with Mike Koenigs one of the upper coaches...
      The problem with encouraging anyone to drop $10K on coaching is that I've heard at least as much negative information about the subject Guru as I have positive (actually probably a lot more negative than positive).

      I don't hear many (if any) "I am a millionaire because Kern coached me" stories. For $10K, I'd expect to hear people shouting from the rooftops that Kern helped them to get rich and they are living the lifestyle they always dreamed of.

      Kern is a purveyor of dreams, IMO. You don't need $10K to find the same information, whether it's "the big dream" you're pursuing or more pragmatic information to get you started in the business you've chosen.
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  • Profile picture of the author Jordan Rhodes
    I am going to reiterate what the others have said: Don't spend $10,000 on coaching. Simply read and assimilate information for free. Then, create a strategy, apply it, modify it when required and generate money.
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    • Profile picture of the author JacobR
      Thanks everybody (except you Brian Leary) Will report back.
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      • Profile picture of the author sbucciarel
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        Originally Posted by JacobR View Post

        Thanks everybody (except you Brian Leary) Will report back.
        We'll be interested to hear how it goes.
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  • Profile picture of the author Paul Dunstan
    Having come late to this thread, I would just like to say that Frank Kern seems like a top chap if he told you not to join his program as a total newbie.

    I know many other guru coaches that would have taken your $10K and the failure would have been down to 'you not being ready' rather than their program not being effective.

    Here's my advice which is slightly counter to what other people have said:

    1. Learn - but not to the point of information overload
    2. Get a mentor - they will guide you through it. Pick one who has a proven track record, but will not charge you $10K!
    3. Learning isn't earning. If you spend all your time learning, you will do only that. Make sure you take action once you have learned something that works.

    Let us know how you get on!

    Enjoy the ride!

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  • Profile picture of the author pizzatherapy
    This is a great thread...with a happy ending.

    As I went through all of the posts, I'm thinking to myself: this guy is going to spend $10,000 in spite of all of the advice to the contrary.

    In the end, Kern said JacobR was not a good fit for the program. He saved $10,000.

    For me, the price tag for learning Internet Marketing cannot be bought rather it needs to be earned. You need to go back to school and learn all you can, while taking action. Learn a bit...then take more action.

    Keep taking action...or as Walt Disney said: "Keep Moving Forward"...

    I'm not saying you could not benefit from a $10,000 coaching program, but you need to have something to take to the table first..

    You need to take action, fail, take action, and fail again...learn more and keep moving forward.

    It's the taking action that seems to paralyze many Internet Marketers..yeah, I've been guilty of it to...

    But I dust myself off and get back on the horse and take more action...

    Good luck my friend. Please share your successes or failures with us....
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  • Profile picture of the author KaplanT4
    Stick to a few core methods, focus on them, see if they work for you, adjust what's working and do more of it!
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    • Profile picture of the author Adam Curry
      Ill have to agree with sbucciarel, don't blow your money away just like that. Your sitting on a goldmine right here! There's plenty of free valuable information here right under your nose, you just have to look. The best place to start is in the War Room....don't tell anyone I told you this
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  • Profile picture of the author jvreview
    Before you spend lots of money buying products, joining membership sites, etc., get access to those 'free' offers and learn. You'll need time and experience. And it's important to develop an ability to separate what's good and what's bad, what's true and what's false ... all the best.
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  • Profile picture of the author Randall Magwood
    $10k for coaching? He would have to be at my house at the kitchen table for me to fork over this amount of money.
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