I'm SO tired of the "Woe is me" attitude of an increasing number of IMers

nice said ... true

Not a bad post. I'm not making it rich, but I sure do have a lot of fun doing it. I think the key to success in any field is "passion". If you lack that ingredient, nothing will seem worthwhile.

It's true. Many of the ones that start the "I'm going to give up" threads are looking for handouts. Handouts of other peoples' time, mentoring, ideas, methods, etc. They are completely unwilling to put in the time on their own to learn the skills necessary and they also seem to be unable to come up with ideas on what exactly they would like to do in regards to starting a business.

They are, as always, looking for the fast and easy money that doesn't really exist. Any advice that's given to them that sounds remotely like work is quickly discarded. I don't usually even bother reading those threads anymore. They are a time suck and advice is ignored.

I agree that people are not setting themselves up for success by having poor mindsets. I admit I wasn't any different at some point, but after a while you kind of figure it out. The thing is growing up I was never conditioned to have the kind of mindset that is required for business success.

My parents are typical 9 to 5 folk. My teachers never taught me anything outside of the "stuff" I needed to know to pass my exams. And my friends don't have the ambition to elevate their lives beyond working poorly paid un-enjoyable jobs and then moaning about it.

I actually take pride in the fact that I have the ambition to build a good life for myself -so that my parents, brother, sister and hopefully future family can benefit from it.

Joe, most people cannot comprehend the effort that is required to generate profits in Internet Marketing, or in fact, any field. Internet Marketing is a real business, a real profession. You have to apply the same effort to this job as would if you were a doctor or a lawyer.

I think that there will always be moaners. But there will also be successful people. Just become a successful person and let the moaners moan.

The problem is there's a misconception that a TON of people have. They think IM isn't work, they think they can come here push a button and buy a Lambo...it's people like them that makes it so hard for people to respect you when you say you're into internet marketing.

The OP mentioned traditional business owners...brick and mortar folks. This group of people is light-years away from most IM Newbies with regards to work ethic and existing skill set and education. Apples and oranges.

Truth be told, most people buying IM products have to read at a sixth grade level (ask any copywriter), do not understand or accept that you will have to PAY MONEY on advertising, content, and web properties to run a real business, and they want everything turn-key and done for them in 3 easy steps. And they are mostly flat broke.

If those who promote IM courses on how to make money fast with a 24/7 cash machine would stop pandering to the lowest common denominator, there would be far fewer people in the IM world and those who come in would be real players.

This is the state of the union/niche/culture we are immersed in. Don't act like you're surprised when you hear statements that come as a natural result.

You said this FAR nicer than I ever could have. Well done, sir.

And real life is the same.....

I want it right now ...with no work.....
I 60+ years I never found it without some work.....and a positive attitude....

Someone else posted....the crybabies are my competition....lololol

I've been there and back as well, also had a mindset where I kept thinking to myself, why I keep failing all the time, while others around me succeed. More often than not, newcomers are looking for an easy way to make a quick buck and end up rich in a matter of days, when in reality, earning even the first few dollars of pure profit can take months of preparation and hard work. But when it all boils down to it, its really about keeping a positive mindset and not quitting. Jumping form one plan or idea immediately to another, simply because you didn't achieve instant success, is one of the most common mistakes I see newbies make. It takes commitment and determination to make it in this business, but once you do, it pays off tenfold.

Weeding out the weak.... now if we could just sell that concept to the scammers.

As someone new to IM I can see how it can be disheartening. I'm still not making success but have only joined here recently and am soaking up the advice and methods to continue. I agree you have to have passion, especially in the beginning!

I agree, it is simple, but it takes hard work to make money online. I think more people would succeed if they quickly understood the difference between a business and a job. Get paid to programs such as taking surveys, writing at iWriter etc, are jobs. Selling stuff online via affiliate marketing, network marketing, info sites, etc. are a business. You do the work on faith and hope. Big difference between the two.

Great Post so true

Too many people coming in with the expectation of fast, easy and stellar income ... they likely associate IM with get rich quick. No surprise so many of them quit so soon.

Very, very true. "Nothing Good Comes Easy."

I bet you feel MUCH better getting that off your chest right?

I got a cousin like this. Convinced that IM doesn't work and that the internet is dead. Now he wants to start his own offline mobile car wash business. He's stubborn, so i let him proceed with no advice, until his business collapses and he finally asks me how to make the internet work.

I was so close from starting a thread about an hour ago stating exactly what you said!! Could not agree more with you and thank you for posting!

Not to be an jerk or anything, but the Warrior Forum itself contributes to the "quick riches with no work" mentality that a lot of the newbies here have.

Just browse the WSO section. A good portion of the sales letters promise extremely fast results with "super-secret" techniques that will get you money NOW! Is it any wonder that newbies get frustrated when they don't see these quick results?

If all those WSO's had copy that said something along the lines of "Bust your ass for 2 years, with my program, and you too can finally start making money"... well, I think all we know how the sales would be then.

Not saying I like seeing all the threads full of self-pity, but I find it odd to complain about a problem with members on the board when that problem is fostered through countless sales pages and signatures on the same forum.

(rant warning)

I think "lazy" is a word that is rampantly abused in the english language. Kinda like the word "crazy" is. So I try not to use the word myself when refering to marketers who don't take action. I'm also not responding to anyone in this thread I'm just making a general statement.

For instance in highschool & college lots of my teachers thought I was lazy. But the truth is I was obsessed with science. Mainly psychology and chemistry.. its been like that my whole life. So when I was in math class or history or ANYTHING not related to science, I often jerked around. I always managed to pull a minimum of a B but finding the motivation in certain classes was nearly impossible.

Ironically enough, anytime I was in a psychology class or a chemistry class, I was the most proactive person in that room. So naturally I thought that getting into counseling would be a great idea. I loved psychology so it all made sense at the time.

That is untill I started counseling people. Then I realized something wasn't right. Its like my motivation flew right out the window & I became very apathetic towards counseling people. Soon enough this made me hate my job. At that point you could have easily called me lazy, but I was really just coming to the realization that counseling people was NOT what I wanted to do with my life. The more I helped people, the more excuses people found not to be helped. The more resentful I grew towards counseling and the more lazy I became at my job.

I even FELT lazy at the time even though I knew that wasn't the type of person I was. So I was in limbo between many part time jobs for a few years... untill one day I discovered WF. All a sudden it clicked that "wow! THIS is using psychology at its best to ACTUALLY HELP PEOPLE". I realized I could actually measure how much I helped people by how much money I made them, and that was a feeling that motivated me like I can't explain.

Needless to say when I started off in marketing I was very ambitious. I was able to start my own business rather fast, and make more money than I have in my entire life. Marketing was in my blood and I realized it immediately. It is THAT which keeps me taking action everyday. But then I reached a point where my business stopped growing, and I became rather obsessed with money. Oddly enough I also got lazier.

It is now that I'm realizing I became lazy because I started to focus MORE on how I can help myself, than helping other people. Sure I want to make a lot of money, but helping myself doesn't motivate me that much. Seeing a smile on a clients face, making their week, giving them a new outlook on their business.. thats what really gives me an ego boost in life. So my point is I think that ALL people go through various stages in life. Sometimes we just kinda hang out in life as a spectator. You see it all over this forum, guys living vicariously through those who truely LOVE marketing.

Its unforunate, but money really blinds a lot of people. Although having money in itself is motivating, if you're not doing what you love to make that money, you will realize some day thats not enough. Money isn't exactly fullfilling to me in the way that people are. If all I cared about was money I could become a stock broker like my brother who I truely believe hates his life. He makes $400,000/yr, but he never smiles about anything.

But like I said I think these people are bound to figure it out at some point. If marketing is not in their blood, they'll continue to barely survive, eventually it'll become too stressful, and they'll move on to something new. I look at people like Frank Kern and it seems to me like he is one guy who is super passionate about marketing and helping people. I think the ONLY thing that sets him apart is how much he really loves it.

Look at people like Einstein, I doubt he became as famous as he did because he only partially liked science. In psychology this is refered to as "self actualization". The ability to fully realize the one thing you truely want to do with your life. & the most shocking statistic I read about this was that only 5% of the worlds population is actually doing what they want in life. Some people love their jobs, they might be doctors, may love helping people, but who knows if thats REALLY what they wanted to do with their life? Same thing with cops. Lots of people become cops because their mom or dad was a cop. It makes sense to them so they become a cop. Only to realize 10 years later after beating the shit out of an innocent victim that policing people isn't for them. It happens in every profession imo.

What can you really say? The human will is one of the most fascinating things in the world. Probably because it can confuse so many people. We have so many drives to do so many different things, but to figure out the one thing you can do for the rest of your life... the one thing that REALLY puts a smile on your face... that is NEVER handed to anyone on a silver platter. That is something everyone must figure out on their own.

-Red

Red...

Great post! You made many good points in there. But the marketers I see as "lazy" aren't the ones who I feel just haven't discovered their passion yet. I could understand a person testing the waters in a variety directions, trying to find out what works for him.

But the "laziness" that I see so rampant on this forum (and it many other forums as well), are from individuals who are barely putting in 10% work but expecting 100% of the results. Its not that they are confused or ignorant. In most cases, they know EXACTLY what steps to take in order to achieve the levels of success that they desire. THEY SIMPLY WON'T DO ANYTHING. Or very, very little.

A few years back when article marketing was an incredibly effective way to build backlinks, generate indirect traffic, and raise your blogs search engine rankings, it drove me absolute bonkers to see the thread after thread of people saying that article marketing just isn't working for them and how they needed help.

But when pressed to expose what actions they had taken in their article marketing efforts, many of these same individuals would admit to writing and submitting just a handful or articles...some as low as a SINGLE article.

They weren't looking for answers. They were looking for handouts. And although the ways and strategies change over time, the incredible amount of laziness does not.

So although I do agree that some people seen as "lazy" are really just still searching for their passions, I believe those people are the exception. The guy whining about how he's tried Adwords for a week and hasn't made any money so therefore it must not work anymore will never be confused with Einstein.

Much Success,

JoeMack

Wow Joe Well said!

I mean it is quite harsh, but when it comes to IM its actually a business, and stats say that 9 in 10 businesses fail, so as long as you keep picking yourselves up and failing forward, you will succeed.

There will always be all the information in the world on the net, but if you dont do anything with it then you will get nowhere right!

Zayne

While I agree with what you are saying, I see why some people give up and cry that it doesn't work for them.


They follow these douchy marketers who bombard their email inbox with offer after offer, WSO after WSO and nothing ever "works" for them.


Partly because they are always moving on to the next thing, and partly because that stuff is usually a shit product that wouldn't work for anyone using it.


It's hard to make this stuff work, and it takes an insane amount of will power to not give up despite being ripped off by lame products and emails and having Google shit all over your parade every 10 minutes if you are an SEO guy.


I think that about 85% of your success in IM depends on who you happen to end up following and whether that person truly wants to help his "list" or whether they want to add to the cliche` of "the money is in the list" by simply selling crap every 5 seconds.


So yea.....you have to stick with it, but I can see why people throw in the towel...

The problem is that there are many people who get into Internet marketing because they think it's easy money. After reality settles in, they begin to realize that they actually have to work to make money. Imagine that! lol

BINGO!!!

This would come from the entitled people.

I am entitled to welfare. If I work, I need to be paid and paid well, right now! My work is likely to be sloppy, but pay my high price, anyway; I deserve it!

I have worked for a whole week and invested $100 and not seen any results on my new blog. Heinous! That is enough for me! I give up. I am going to play video games on my large screen TV.

Sad to say: many have this mindset. Thanks for the forum for me to gripe!

You can't keep a quitter from quitting. I completely understand and share your frustration Joe.

To Red's post, I actually wrote a post on my blog hitting on this concept the other day, Can beggars be choosers? Even when you offer help, in some cases just because it isn't what the person wants to hear or isn't ideal, they refuse.

Not sure if you guys know of Jonathan Budd, but he put out a video blog the other day on what it takes to make it in IM. He's done over $17 million at age 27 so I would say he knows a thing or two. You can check that out on my post, You don't know what you don't know.

Good luck guys

Next time, when someone complain that he's not making money,
I am going to direct him to this thread.

Thanks

The 4 ingredients for success in internet marketing is 25% education, 25% effort, 25% determination, and 25% sticktoitiveness.

So you can only learn so much. If you don't apply what you learn, you won't see any success...

ha good man for this post. Thanks for having the balls to tell it like it is. The problem in this biz...especially for the newbie....is they expect immediate results. They will often say things like..."Oh I have 20 leads and no sales yet...what is wrong?" Really? C'mon....you want to grab these people by the shoulders and shake em.

Yes making money online is totally possible..and legit....I mean look at all these warriors that are doing it in this forum. However, you have to learn your way around the ropes.....get the crap kicked out of you....and then get back up...and go again. Like freakin Edward Norton in Fight Club....he got his ass kicked in the beginning.....and throughout the movie....but he got right back up....got back in the fight...and survived the carnage. In the end he gets money for doing nothin!

I spent years dealing with small business owners. Believe me, plenty of whiners offline and online. As a matter of fact, there are a lot of whiners in general.

Which explains why there are whiners in IM. It's representative of the population as a whole.

I was a "whoa is me" IMer until I started to focus. I thought ALL IMers were scam artists. I thought the only way to make money online was through MLM or selling products about how to make money online. Yes, I'm sure there are the scammer, fraudsters, etc, but I've learned that most are here to help each other and make a buck! And, there is no WSO, ebook, program, etc that will make you rich (and I'm not rich...yet!). It is about focus and discipline.

I've would by some info product, try it for a week and give up thinking "scam". Then move onto the next one. I never stuck with anything. I was in the typical "get rich quick" mindset.

I still have a long way to go but I can finally start to see momentum building. How? I stayed focused, made good contacts, offer help when needed, etc.