by ruless
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I have been on the forum for sometime and bought a product from a member here with a good reputation and good sales record. I opted into his list to receive the product like most Warriors and got great use from his product on cpa. The great thing about this person was he didn't burn his list like most. You might get an email once a month, which is awesome b/c so many burn you out in the first 30 days and I understand that's part of the IM game.

Anyways, I get an email from this person 3 months ago about "product creation" and coaching and how everything would be great with his help. Well, his products were good and sold a lot of copies and he had a high post count. We chatted through email for several days and lots of questions on my part. I ended up paying him over $600.00, but under $1000.00 for a product.

Everything is good and he's in contact with me a couple of times a week and tells me 5 weeks later he's got a rough draft of what the product will be. I okay it and he tells me he's almost finished. He contacts me a week later and tells me he needs more money and he is stuck in Asia with his fiance(he told me he was in Asian when we started so that was not a problem), but you need more money, really???? Weeks later he gets some money from a family member so I'm off the hook. But that raises the question, would you ever ask a client for more money and admit that you have none? I sure wouldn't...

Here we are now, 6 weeks later(11weeks total) and he's asking me for money again and how embarrassed he is for this, but he needs my financial help to keep his internet running. My reply is you're a scammer and of course his reply is... no I'm not, I just need your help.

What do you think????????
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  • Profile picture of the author Dan Grossman
    I wouldn't give him more money whether you believe him or not. If you agree on an exchange of services at a certain price, that's the price, and either he delivers or he gives you the money back.

    Beyond that, there's no way for any of us to evaluate his truthfulness. All we have is your story about an unnamed member.
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  • Profile picture of the author John J M
    Obviously, I'd be very careful. This sounds like a bad situation to get involved with. He is obligated to give you what you paid for, but you shouldn't give him anything else.

    It's a shame people do that kind of thing. They might be in a tough situation, but relying on clients for their money is by no means a good practice.

    As far as being honest with you about his situation, I don't think this is necessarily wise either. I tend to not talk about money even when I have really good results online, cause money should usually be a private thing.
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    • Profile picture of the author ruless
      I agree with you both and thanks, for your response. I wanted to test the rest of the forum and see what y'all thought as well.

      Dan, I agree all you have is one side of the story. I did not want to call this person out by name, but I did alert him to the thread. If he reply's or not is up to him.
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      • Profile picture of the author Paul Myers
        Originally Posted by ruless View Post

        I did not want to call this person out by name, but I did alert him to the thread. If he reply's or not is up to him.
        Mentioning his name publicly would be a bad idea, yes.

        PM me the details, please.


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  • Profile picture of the author Adie
    Both of you agreed on a certain price. Asking for more money and giving a common excuse sounds too unprofessional... I would not give him more money if I'm in your shoes... In the first place, you shouldn't give him the first $600 without having full information about the product.

    His excuse sounds a 419 scam to me..
    I interacted with a 419 scammer before and we exchanged some emails and even giving me a number of international calls and this sounds similar..
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  • Profile picture of the author shane_k
    Originally Posted by ruless View Post


    He contacts me a week later and tells me he needs more money and he is stuck in Asia with his fiance(he told me he was in Asian when we started so that was not a problem), but you need more money, really???? Weeks later he gets some money from a family member so I'm off the hook. But that raises the question, would you ever ask a client for more money and admit that you have none? I sure wouldn't...

    Here we are now, 6 weeks later(11weeks total) and he's asking me for money again and how embarrassed he is for this, but he needs my financial help to keep his internet running. My reply is you're a scammer and of course his reply is... no I'm not, I just need your help.

    What do you think????????

    This is absolutely crazy, and so frigging unprofessional.

    What kind of so-called business person asks their customers for money?

    If I went into my local autobody shop and gave them money to fix my car, and they came back to me a couple of days later asking me for more money because they need financial help to keep their autobody shop up and running I would run for the hills and never, ever deal with them again.

    The first thing that popped into my mind when I read this is it reminds me of Bernie Madoff, and all the other fraudsters out there.

    What he is doing is asking you for money to fund his lifestyle.

    I am betting that you are not going to get the product that you paid for, and would immediately file a complaint with Paypal who ever you are dealing with.

    And under no circumstances are you to send this person any more money no matter what excuse they come up with.

    I sure hope that you at least tell the admins who this person is so they can keep a watch on him and possibly ban him!
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    • Profile picture of the author ruless
      Originally Posted by shane_k View Post

      This is absolutely crazy, and so frigging unprofessional.

      What kind of so-called business person asks their customers for money?

      If I went into my local autobody shop and gave them money to fix my car, and they came back to me a couple of days later asking me for more money because they need financial help to keep their autobody shop up and running I would run for the hills and never, ever deal with them again.

      The first thing that popped into my mind when I read this is it reminds me of Bernie Madoff, and all the other fraudsters out there.

      What he is doing is asking you for money to fund his lifestyle.

      I am betting that you are not going to get the product that you paid for, and would immediately file a complaint with Paypal who ever you are dealing with.

      And under no circumstances are you to send this person any more money no matter what excuse they come up with.

      I sure hope that you at least tell the admins who this person is so they can keep a watch on him and possibly ban him!
      I'm not sending him anymore money. I can't believe anyone would ask such a question of a client.
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  • Profile picture of the author Wade32
    Did you by chance happen to sign a contract with this guy? I wouldn't give him any money again...in fact, I would ask him to return some of it and see what he says. This should tell you whether or not he is in good business.

    Sorry for your loss, that's a bummer.

    I say scam.
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    • Profile picture of the author ruless
      Originally Posted by Wade32 View Post

      Did you by chance happen to sign a contract with this guy? I wouldn't give him any money again...in fact, I would ask him to return some of it and see what he says. This should tell you whether or not he is in good business.

      Sorry for your loss, that's a bummer.

      I say scam.
      I did not sign a contract(great idea though) and have learned a valuable and expensive lesson. I have asked for money back and it's like talking to a wall.
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      • Profile picture of the author ruless
        Originally Posted by Kleptoma View Post

        Cut your losses while you still can. Even though $600 is a lot, it's nothing compared to what he may additionally try to take from you.

        So, true but far from what I ever expected would happen.
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  • Profile picture of the author dc_publius
    That's what reviews are for.

    Too bad too many of the reviews are just shills, 'review copies', etc, instead of legitimate reviews from people who legitimately tried a product.
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    • Profile picture of the author ruless
      Originally Posted by dc_publius View Post

      That's what reviews are for.

      Too bad too many of the reviews are just shills, 'review copies', etc, instead of legitimate reviews from people who legitimately tried a product.
      It's honestly not about reviews because I bought through an email series he sent out about product creation. I did NOT purchase this through a WSO. He has sold wso's successfully on here and offered great customer support. I honestly don't know what happened to him.
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  • Profile picture of the author contentwriting360
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    Steven,

    Just like what these guys above me already said, you are not responsible in 'helping' that nameless person. Though you may pity, understand, or sympathize on his or her situation, don't feel obligated to send him or her money beyond what you have agreed upon.

    That person is so weird. Why would you tell a client that you're broke, in the first place.
    We also operate a writing services firm but we never (and will never) ask nor say something like that to our clients.
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    • Profile picture of the author ruless
      Originally Posted by contentwriting360 View Post

      Steven,

      Just like what these guys above me already said, you are not responsible in 'helping' that nameless person. Though you may pity, understand, or sympathize on his or her situation, don't feel obligated to send him or her money beyond what you have agreed upon.

      That person is so weird. Why would you tell a client that you're broke, in the first place.
      We also operate a writing services firm but we never (and will never) ask nor say something like that to our clients.
      I don't get it either. I would never ask a client for any extra money or admit I was broke. It doesn't exactly build consumer confidence. Thanks, for your support!
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  • Profile picture of the author rosetrees
    Originally Posted by ruless View Post

    ............ He contacts me a week later and tells me he needs more money and he is stuck in Asia with his fiance................

    he's asking me for money again and how embarrassed he is for this, but he needs my financial help to keep his internet running. ............

    What do you think????????
    I think you hit the nail on the head. He's a scammer and those are classic tactics.

    Do as Paul M suggests and PM him the details. It's just possible that a legit warrior's email list has been hacked, but I'd think that is unlikely unless a family member has gained access.
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    • Profile picture of the author ruless
      Originally Posted by rosetrees View Post

      I think you hit the nail on the head. He's a scammer and those are classic tactics.

      Do as Paul M suggests and PM him the details. It's just possible that a legit warrior's email list has been hacked, but I'd think that is unlikely unless a family member has gained access.
      Sent Paul M all the details, but I did buy this through his list not the warrior forum. But Paul is aware of who it is now.
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  • Profile picture of the author Walt Serdville
    This is pretty straightforward. Farmer is trying to milk the last of his cow.

    Have a good day
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  • Profile picture of the author sbucciarel
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    Unbelievable. Obviously to me at least, that it is a scam. He's supposed to be a professional and he's asking you for financial support? I really hope you get the product out of what you've spent already, but it wouldn't surprise me if you don't.
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    • Profile picture of the author DiamondDog
      Hmmm, let's get this straight . . .

      He's charged you $600+ to coach you on how to create a product which you obviously hope to make money with.

      And yet, he has no money himself.

      Again . . . he's going to coach you on how to make money and he has none.

      Even if he's not scamming you, he's incompetent and has nothing of value to teach you.
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      • Profile picture of the author ruless
        Originally Posted by DiamondDog View Post

        Hmmm, let's get this straight . . .

        He's charged you $600+ to coach you on how to create a product which you obviously hope to make money with.

        And yet, he has no money himself.

        Again . . . he's going to coach you on how to make money and he has none.

        Even if he's not scamming you, he's incompetent and has nothing of value to teach you.
        I paid him to make the product.
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    • Profile picture of the author ruless
      Originally Posted by sbucciarel View Post

      Unbelievable. Obviously to me at least, that it is a scam. He's supposed to be a professional and he's asking you for financial support? I really hope you get the product out of what you've spent already, but it wouldn't surprise me if you don't.
      I hope I get the product as well, but in all honesty, I really doubt it.
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  • Profile picture of the author CsabaSzücs
    Based on your story I would say he is a scammer.

    Your next $ 600 you should spend on something more solid. Like traffic. Or some software, which can be used in the long run. Of course, I do not mention any of them here. I do not want to promote anything now.
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  • Profile picture of the author tooAlive
    That's like hiring a personal trainer, only to find out that he is actually extremely obese and is now asking for your help, as he can't even get off his couch.

    Yet plans to teach you how to lose weight. :confused:
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    • Profile picture of the author ruless
      Originally Posted by tooAlive View Post

      That's like hiring a personal trainer, only to find out that he is actually extremely obese and is now asking for your help, as he can't even get off his couch.

      Yet plans to teach you how to lose weight. :confused:
      Funny, but so so true!
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  • Profile picture of the author Dailybread
    I am glad Paul Myers has gotten involved and I hope you have pm'd him the details of this person.

    Whether we hear anything more or not doesn't matter.

    Good on you Paul.

    Like everyone else said, don't give him any more money. Somebody who is broke is not the best mentor to learn how to make money. Good luck to you.
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    • Profile picture of the author Charles E. White
      Definitely, don't give him any more money. I have had hard times where I almost was homeless and I got help, but I never tried to swindle someone like this guy is you.
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  • Profile picture of the author bkdubs
    definitely give no more money, if the need money they should do what they teach
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  • Profile picture of the author SOCAL777
    As others have mentioned, it doesn't sound good. I feel bad for you. If he doesn't turn out to be a scammer, I hope he's banned from this forum for life.
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