What do you use to ping your wordpress posts?

by Peter Helps

Posted: 16 years ago 37 replies

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I've been thinking about this. I know wordpress has a built in ping service but what happens when you update your blog post. Does it re-ping it again? If that's the case, the ping services might start seeing you as a spammer. Or am I wrong?

All in all, what do you use to ping your wordpress blog posts?

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Scott Ames

16 years ago

Originally Posted by pk80356

Darn good question. I don't know either and would like to know what gives on the biggest bang.

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skydivedad 16 years ago

Hi Peter
Depending on what version of WP your using but as far as I know Wordpress still pings whatever ping list you've installed everytime you make an edit which can get you in the bad graces of your ping list. I've been using Christian Davens Smart Update Pinger plugin to great effect. Instead of always pinging when saving a post, the plugin only pings when the post has not previously been published. Edits of posts are "silent", in contrast with the default behaviour. Also, you can see a log for the latest pings, together with error messages (in the options page).

http://daven.se/usefulstuff/wordpress-plugins.html

It would be wise to install this or another WP pluggin that over rides WP's default behavior. If you'd like my updated ping list to load into your site just send me a PM with your emaill address and I'll get that off to you. If you'd like info on installing a WP pluggin let me know I'm willing to help.
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chrisgarrett

16 years ago

Don't bother. Pinging doesn't work, or at least I haven't been able to find anyone with any evidence that it helps in any way. If you can point to some I am very willing to change my position

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asinGer 16 years ago

I use pingomatic
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skydivedad 16 years ago

Hi Chris
I have to humbly disagree with your sweeping statement. I'll take that challenge up Chris. I've a pretty extensive Blog network all built with WP some dating back several years. If your referring to pinging only the default site(s) that come with WP or are not deploying your WP Site from your own server but built your site on the WP Network your probably correct, if you've invested time and testing building up your ping list and are using the methodology correctly it's defineatley to your sites advantage. I would bother making the effort (tiny as it is after installing the proper plugin and ping list) and do on every WP Site I deploy. It's especially effective when my sites are constructed with static html anchors pages and I've installed "The All in One SEO Plugin for WP" and several others. Additional other steps are needed in the initial deployment such as correctly changing the sites permalink stucture amoung other changes.
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- chrisgarrett 16 years ago
  
  Originally Posted by skydivedad
  
  Hi Chris
  if you've invested time and testing building up your ping list and are using the methodology correctly it's defineatley to your sites advantage.
  
  I'm glad I found someone willing to take me up on that
  
  How exactly does it benefit your blogs? As far as I can tell from my logs and analytics the ONLY traffic increase when I have tested pinging has been from bots. Human traffic increase? No.
  
  Do you see an increase in real human beings when you ping?
  
  (Added: I understand people also do this for backlinks but I don't see any evidence these sorts of backlinks are counted highly)
  
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  VegasGreg 16 years ago
  
  Try MaxBlogPress Ping Optimizer it will limit the times it pings in a short time frame in case you post 10 posts in 20 minutes. That will keep the pingees (is that a word?) from banning your site.
  
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  Peter Helps 16 years ago
  
  Another question for you guys...
  
  I've been using wordpress ping for quite a while now. I just updated to maxblogPress Ping Optimizer.
  
  How do I know if my blog is banned by ping services or not?
  
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  GuruGazette 16 years ago
  
  Chris,
  
  90% of my sites are promoted via the default WP pingomatic only. It brings in the bots, who index my content, who then display my content to humans. Humans click that indexed content to visit my sites. The circle continues, growing each and every time without me having to do a thing if I don't want to.
  
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  chrisgarrett 16 years ago
  
  Originally Posted by GuruGazette
  
  Chris,
  index my content, who then display my content to humans. Humans click that indexed content to visit my sites.
  
  So you actually see those sites/services in your referrers? I can't say any of those places have ever made more than a blip for me, which is why I was so disappointed
  
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Jamie Iaconis

16 years ago

Originally Posted by chrisgarrett

Don't bother. Pinging doesn't work, or at least I haven't been able to find anyone with any evidence that it helps in any way. If you can point to some I am very willing to change my position

I completely and utterly dis-agree also!!!

You couldn't be any more far from the truth...

Have you seen the other replies, do any
say the same thing you are saying?

You obviously are absolutely oblivious
to the benefits of RSS and pinging!

I'll stop now.

Have a good day.

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chrisgarrett

16 years ago

Originally Posted by Jamie Iaconis

I completely and utterly dis-agree also!!!

You obviously are absolutely oblivious
to the benefits of RSS and pinging!

Um, no, I am not

I know the *stated* benefits, but in all my years blogging I have yet to see substantial evidence for those benefits.

One or two visitors does not a traffic tactic make

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JayXtreme

16 years ago

Originally Posted by chrisgarrett

Um, no, I am not

I know the *stated* benefits, but in all my years blogging I have yet to see substantial evidence for those benefits.

One or two visitors does not a traffic tactic make

LOL... whilst I see the point you make.. I have to politefully disagree..

"pinging" is a notification tactic is all... the "benefits" are a notification sent out to the social services across the net... you may not agree that "pinging" works, because your definition of the word is wrong....

Jay

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chrisgarrett

16 years ago

Originally Posted by JayXtreme

"pinging" is a notification tactic is all... the "benefits" are a notification sent out to the social services across the net... you may not agree that "pinging" works, because your definition of the word is wrong....

Enlighten me Jay

You ping the services to let them know you have fresh content. Then, in theory, someone sees that content and clicks, right?

Does that actually happen for YOU?

To me it is up there (down there?) with directory submissions - who has seen more than, say a handful of visitors from a directory lately?

The problem with this concept for me is these sites and services do not send traffic, so notifying them of your great content does pretty much no good.

Please show me I am wrong, I do want to hear success stories other than "you are wrong because everyone says pinging is good"

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JayXtreme

16 years ago

Originally Posted by chrisgarrett

Enlighten me Jay

Mine is not to enlighten those when words fall on deaf ears Chris..

"you are wrong because everyone says pinging is good"

Did anybody say this??.....

Anyhow... I literally see that DAY in DAY out I can ping keyword targeted blog posts and have them hit the first page on major search engines within an hour...and then as a result of this I see traffic...

That's enough evidence for me to keep a ping list... it's an automated reaction to me clicking publish... what's the deal?

Jay

p.s. The fact that you always "thought" that backlinks were discounted from the social site's shows me that you have a limited knowledge of this particular subject... my backlinks still show up to niche site's from the socials....

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chrisgarrett

16 years ago

Originally Posted by JayXtreme

DAY in DAY out I can ping keyword targeted blog posts and have them hit the first page on major search engines within an hour.

Within an *hour* you get first page results in *major* search engines? Just by pinging?

Can you give me an example of a phrase where you did this?

I'm really not trying to get into an argument or deny anyone's experience, I just haven't been able to replicate any of the benefits in my own testing, and believe me I have tried.

Originally Posted by JayXtreme

p.s. The fact that you always "thought" that backlinks were discounted from the social site's shows me that you have a limited knowledge of this particular subject... my backlinks still show up to niche site's from the socials....

I haven't mentioned any socials sites.

Added: Now we are getting somewhere!

You mean you update your social network profiles with your new content, not directories and search sites such as Technorati?

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JayXtreme 16 years ago

Originally Posted by chrisgarrett

You mean you update your social network profiles with your new content, not directories and search sites such as Technorati?

Maybe there is a definition barrier getting in our way here.. I didn't mean social networking profiles..... I meant the pings that are sent out to those site's that are socials..<--we call it a social ping list here

Pingomatic etc..

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dwooding

16 years ago

Originally Posted by chrisgarrett

Don't bother. Pinging doesn't work, or at least I haven't been able to find anyone with any evidence that it helps in any way. If you can point to some I am very willing to change my position

Hi Chris,

It has for me - for getting indexed and getting visitors from the search engines (Google specifically) - both for wordpress blogs and static sites.

How To Get Indexed In Google

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chrisgarrett

16 years ago

Originally Posted by dwooding

Hi Chris,

It has for me - for getting indexed and getting visitors from the search engines (Google specifically) - both for wordpress blogs and static sites.

Getting indexed isn't difficult so I think that "benefit" can be dismissed, but I would like to hear more about the traffic benefits you get.

How does pinging help you in Google? I have always thought the few backlinks pinging generates would have been discounted, as they do poor quality directories and free for all sites?

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dwooding

16 years ago

Originally Posted by chrisgarrett

Maybe you can clarify what you mean by "pinging doesn't work" and what you consider a benefit.

My reply was to your first comment that said you haven't been able to find anyone with any evidence that it helps in any way.

For the example I provided, the traffic is close to non-existent - 4 unique visitors in a month to that site from Google

If when you say "pinging doesn't work" is in reference to getting visitors to your site, I would have to agree with you for the example I provided.

Maybe that wasn't the best example to use - I have other pages on a blog that have eventually received more visitors from Google after I have posted and then pinged (as the only promotion method).

Dave

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chrisgarrett

16 years ago

Originally Posted by dwooding

Maybe you can clarify what you mean by "pinging doesn't work" and what you consider a benefit.

I think this could be it, I am saying it "doesn't work" when clearly it is working for some people, because my definition of what constitutes working is off from theirs

You have seen traffic and that traffic has come from only pinging as a tactic, those are the sorts of messages I was hoping to see.

I asked the same question over on Twitter, one person came back and said if they don't ping they don't get indexed for weeks. That is shocking to me, that Google would take so long, but that puts in context why they rely on ping. Now if they had more backlinks they would not see an indexing benefit but until they get those links, they ping.

So perhaps it all depends if you are already getting a certain level of traffic and indexing?

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TheVCF

16 years ago

Thank you for this list of Ping sites, TopGun!

That is Very Helpful!

Thank you again, TopGun, for this helpful list and All for your participation and Have a Great Day!

- Michael

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skydivedad

16 years ago

One of the major unique aspects of WP when compared to other blogging platforms is its open source nature and the huge community of developers that have certainly made WP the most SEO friendly Blogging Platform by far and the enormously rich , diverse and well developed plug ins has allowed IM'ers to deploy WP Blogs with amazing functionality way beyond the simple act of pinging. Some of which are available in the WSO Forum. More about that in a later post. The act of pinging itself involves the WP Site using the XML-RPC/RPC2 to execute the ping.

It's a spec and a set of implementations that allow software running on disparate operating systems, running in different environments to make procedure calls over the Internet. In this case a notice to search engines and RSS Feeders that a new post has been made on that particular WP Blog. The debate usually involves this question. Is the default WP Ping-0-Matic ping sufficient enough to maximize the SEO opportunities of that post. (I believe its not). The Ping-O-Matic site itself than notifies additional search engines about the new post.

Chris I've been collating my testing data this evening and will condense and share that with you? It clearly demonstrates the advantage of pinging. Would you prefer .xml or .csv format. Let me know.
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Matt Bard 16 years ago

I see what Chris is saying and I have to agree.

I also have to agree with the group seeing where they are coming from.

Some established sites that I have and have been indexed and ranked already for years are not affected by pinging. In some of the test that I have done.

On the other hand the newer sites that I am working on always get "refreshed" by Google and a couple of others when I ping.

The newer sites are looked at by a few of the bots by the current activity.
The older sites that have several established backlinks and what seems to be my site's "age" are not affected by any new activity on my part.

However, if someone else is in competition with my older established site and they are newer and pinging or have a lot of activity my site will rise or fall slightly by way of their site's bouncing around.

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- chrisgarrett 16 years ago
  
  Originally Posted by Matthew Maiden
  
  Some established sites that I have and have been indexed and ranked already for years are not affected by pinging. In some of the test that I have done.
  
  That's probably my issue right there, any new sites get quality backlinks out of the gate from my established sites, older sites have aged and have a good set of links, so pinging is doubtful to give me the additional boost in results others are seeing
  
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chrisgarrett

16 years ago

Originally Posted by skydivedad

Chris I've been collating my testing data this evening and will condense and share that with you? It clearly demonstrates the advantage of pinging. Would you prefer .xml or .csv format. Let me know.

Any would be great - thanks

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Peter Helps

16 years ago

Originally Posted by TOPGUN08

I use these:

http://rpc.pingomatic.com/
http://api.feedster.com/ping
http://api.moreover.com/RPC2
http://api.moreover.com/ping
http://api.my.yahoo.com/RPC2
http://api.my.yahoo.com/rss/ping
Blogdigger - Add Feed Form
http://www.blogshares.com/rpc.php
Default PLESK Page
http://bulkfeeds.net/rpc
http://www.newsisfree.com/xmlrpctest.php
Yahoo!
http://ping.feedburner.com
http://ping.syndic8.com/xmlrpc.php
http://rpc.technorati.com/rpc/ping
http://rpc.weblogs.com/RPC2

Do you use all of those services in your wordpress admin?

Peter

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Jamie Iaconis

16 years ago

Chris man... you must be new at this...

I think you are *kinda* picking up what we're
saying now, but just keep pluggin' at it...

You will figure it out in time!

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chrisgarrett

16 years ago

Originally Posted by Jamie Iaconis

Chris man... you must be new at this...

No, I have been blogging since before it was called that, but perhaps I have a blind spot on this subject

Or maybe I have seen too many "make money in your sleep blog traffic system" ads

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Phil Jacobson

16 years ago

Please excuse me for being lazy and not looking this up myself but "What is pinging?"

Besides, I'd guess some of you here would be able to give a better explaination than googling "definition of pinging"

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JayXtreme

16 years ago

Originally Posted by Phil Jacobson

Hi Phil "Pinging" is a method of updating the search site's and letting them know you have fresh content...

Check out pingomatic.com

Peace

Jay

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dwooding

16 years ago

Originally Posted by Phil Jacobson

Ping (blogging) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

In blogging, ping is an XML-RPC-based push mechanism by which a weblog notifies a server that its content has been updated. An XML-RPC signal is sent to one or more "ping servers," which can then generate a list of blogs that have new material. Many blog authoring tools automatically ping one or more servers each time the blogger creates a new post or updates an old one.

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GuruGazette 16 years ago

Chris,

As I said earlier, yes I get traffic to brand new sites by doing nothing but having WP send a ping each time a new post is published. And since I wasn't more clear earlier: Yes I know this from my stats

I was checking some new sites this morning actually, one of which has been up for about 20 days. Google visits it daily, has 23 out of 38 (I think) pages indexed, and has sent that site 14 visitors already. The site has been getting about 30 something unique visitors each day for the past few days.

Some of my sites won't start showing results for the first 10-15 days while others will start showing results in less than 3. Once the ball starts though, like others here I can get Google crawling and indexing new stuff FAST.

I feel the need to restate what I've already said before here too: I do nothing else to promote these sites.

I will add this too: Frequency and consistency count. Pinging works best with regular and frequent updates. I do no less than 3 or 4 posts per week, but whenever possible I prefer a minimum of 1-2 each day.
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- chrisgarrett 16 years ago
  
  Originally Posted by GuruGazette
  
  The site has been getting about 30 something unique visitors each day for the past few days.
  
  ...
  
  I do nothing else to promote these sites.
  
  OK, thanks. I can see how you might use it in the early days to get a new site going.
  
  Other approaches, such as one good authority link will do that too so I guess that's why I have overlooked pinging as a tactic.
  
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Kat Bartone 16 years ago

Hmm, seems like we've got quite the "pinging" contest going on here!

I too have been worried about ping spam - both with post editing, as well as pinging sites multiple times if I have a long ping list (that includes pingomatic plus individual sites for example)

Paul, pm'd you for your list.

Some good tips here, thanks.

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waken

16 years ago

Originally Posted by pk80356

If your "update" refers to a new post, there shouldn't be a problem with ping services. Isn't that what we want? (To notify all SE etc. that we have just made a post so that they will come, crawl and index)

But if you're making > 10 post in a day which might not possible unless you're using automatic blogging tools or scripts, then it's better to disable the automatic ping.

And if your "update" means editing an existing post, the default ping in Wordpress will re-ping every time you edit the post which is not good. I'm using this Ultimate Plugins Smart Update Pinger [Ultimate Plugins] and works all right.

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Frank Bruno 16 years ago

In the last few versions of Word press you can either select ping or deselect ping, as well as comments in the administration panel below your blog post.

So if you make a change to your blog post all you have to do is either select or deselect comment or ping before you save the post, and it will not re-ping the post.

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