Do you believe the $20k stories

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I hate to be negative but I just don't believe the $20k a month stories any longer from an affiliate perspective. Most of the stories or shares are great and I hope they are true but given the struggle that so many have I just don't see how some can do so well in such a short amount of time. Many of the posts I see are about how I went from living in my friends basement to $20k+ a month. How does that happen in a matter of one month? Just insane imo!
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  • Profile picture of the author onSubie
    Hi

    I think the $20K a month comes from years of building your business, not a month after starting.

    But 20K a month is less than 1K per day and that is not a tough thing to achieve in sales if you work at it consistently. In affiliate marketing that usually means building a responsive list.

    Also, I haven't seen a single post from anyone claiming to have been living in someone's basement to $20K a month in a mater of a month so you should post a link when making wild claims.

    I only see claims like that in sales letters, which should be taken with a cup of salt.

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    • Profile picture of the author womendollars
      Originally Posted by onSubie View Post

      Hi

      I think the $20K a month comes from years of building your business, not a month after starting.

      But 20K a month is less than 1K per day and that is not a tough thing to achieve in sales if you work at it consistently. In affiliate marketing that usually means building a responsive list.

      Also, I haven't seen a single post from anyone claiming to have been living in someone's basement to $20K a month in a mater of a month so you should post a link when making wild claims.

      I only see claims like that in sales letters, which should be taken with a cup of salt.

      Mahlon
      I wasn't making any claims my friend. I was merely using it as an example. I agree with you that $20k/month is predicated upon building a viable business and not on just make some leads convert or this or that. It is based on a strict and stringent process with lots of action and capital to do so. Not just a...wow I made $20k in a matter of 30 days. I was merely posing the OP as a statement to be thought about.
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      • Profile picture of the author onSubie
        Originally Posted by womendollars View Post

        I wasn't making any claims my friend. I was merely using it as an example.
        "Many of the posts I see are about how I went from living in my friends basement to $20k+ a month."

        I was merely asking for a link to one of the "many posts" as I have never seen one...

        Mahlon
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        • Profile picture of the author Wade32
          Originally Posted by onSubie View Post

          "Many of the posts I see are about how I went from living in my friends basement to $20k+ a month."

          I was merely asking for a link to one of the "many posts" as I have never seen one...

          Mahlon
          Did you read my post? The owner of the Empower Network claims to have been homeless...scroll up and read it.
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        • Profile picture of the author womendollars
          Originally Posted by onSubie View Post

          "Many of the posts I see are about how I went from living in my friends basement to $20k+ a month."

          I was merely asking for a link to one of the "many posts" as I have never seen one...

          Mahlon
          Sorry, let me rephase that for you then.

          Many of the posts I see are about how I went from making "not enough to live on" to $10-20k+ a month online

          I just think that many of these are pure fabrication. I've seen money made and I know it is possible but you can't build a $20k beast from nothing in my opinion. It takes time to build traffic, sites, trust or it takes deep pockets to make the $20k thru disposable income.
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      • Originally Posted by womendollars View Post

        I wasn't making any claims my friend. I was merely using it as an example. I agree with you that $20k/month is predicated upon building a viable business and not on just make some leads convert or this or that. It is based on a strict and stringent process with lots of action and capital to do so. Not just a...wow I made $20k in a matter of 30 days. I was merely posing the OP as a statement to be thought about.

        well , maybe these guys probably made 20k in one month , but they forgot to tell that building the list which is making them 20k a month took 3 years...
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  • Profile picture of the author Wade32
    I see what the poster means. You see a lot of claims online about how Internet marketers rose from the ashes to dominate the industry.

    One story that I can think of is that guy from the Empower Network. He claims to have been homeless, & now is super successful. Do I believe it? It's probably BS. I mean how does a homeless guy get his hands on a computer to even start Internet marketing anyway?

    These stories play on the emotional part of the sales pitch and encourage the reader to say to themselves, "If they can do this in that situation, I should be able to do it too."

    I believe it takes a while to build a business up to make $20k per month. Can you do this through affiliate links? I'm sure you can, but not while living in the back of a van!
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    • Profile picture of the author Walter Parrish
      Originally Posted by Wade32 View Post

      I see what the poster means. You see a lot of claims online about how Internet marketers rose from the ashes to dominate the industry.

      One story that I can think of is that guy from the Empower Network. He claims to have been homeless, & now is super successful. Do I believe it? It's probably BS. I mean how does a homeless guy get his hands on a computer to even start Internet marketing anyway?

      These stories play on the emotional part of the sales pitch and encourage the reader to say to themselves, "If they can do this in that situation, I should be able to do it too."

      I believe it takes a while to build a business up to make $20k per month. Can you do this through affiliate links? I'm sure you can, but not while living in the back of a van!
      I don't know if you are aware or not, but many of your Marketers and Motivational speakers were once homeless. Hitting the bottom makes you hungry and gives you the drive more drive than the 95 percent who have access, but don't want to work.

      It's the real reason why 1 to 5 percent rule the world, because they put in the work, from the physical to using their minds.

      Where can a homeless person get a computer at the Library.
      Keep in mind that just because someone is homeless doesn't mean that they don't have any skills, or family or friends.
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    • Profile picture of the author MovingAround
      Originally Posted by Wade32 View Post

      I see what the poster means. You see a lot of claims online about how Internet marketers rose from the ashes to dominate the industry.

      One story that I can think of is that guy from the Empower Network. He claims to have been homeless, & now is super successful. Do I believe it? It's probably BS. I mean how does a homeless guy get his hands on a computer to even start Internet marketing anyway?

      These stories play on the emotional part of the sales pitch and encourage the reader to say to themselves, "If they can do this in that situation, I should be able to do it too."

      I believe it takes a while to build a business up to make $20k per month. Can you do this through affiliate links? I'm sure you can, but not while living in the back of a van!
      Good post buddy.

      20k a month is doable yes, but it takes a lot of effort and sweat, and of course TIME. I'm actually making half that (don't worry, I don't have anything to sell you or a link in my sig) and my story came more from having a passion in something which I initially did to not make money. Then, interest was created and I got lucky to go on a big TV show. My site was flooded and I had to respond, a year after that, I managed to consolidate the huge spiked interest and now am about to break the 10k/month barrier but damn, has it been a hard time (I have a day job btw).

      I literally was like WTF when I returned from a week holiday I took after the TV show and I had made a huge amount of money from the bit of advertising I had place.

      In my case, I got lucky and I have worked very hard in this time. I am passionate for it so it comes naturally and I can tell you that earning 9k/month on autopilot feels amazing as the money just piles up.

      I picked something which could be made money off, and when I realized there was money to be made I busted my ass. The earnings are increasing consistently so whether I get to 20k or not, I don't care, I already have close to 80k sitting in my bank account ready to be spent and I continue to work hard (though I'll be honest, I want to buy a beautiful Ferrari I already have my eyes on and which is twice the amount I have from my site's earnings).
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    • Profile picture of the author Trev81
      Originally Posted by Wade32 View Post

      I see what the poster means. You see a lot of claims online about how Internet marketers rose from the ashes to dominate the industry.

      One story that I can think of is that guy from the Empower Network. He claims to have been homeless, & now is super successful. Do I believe it? It's probably BS. I mean how does a homeless guy get his hands on a computer to even start Internet marketing anyway?

      These stories play on the emotional part of the sales pitch and encourage the reader to say to themselves, "If they can do this in that situation, I should be able to do it too."

      I believe it takes a while to build a business up to make $20k per month. Can you do this through affiliate links? I'm sure you can, but not while living in the back of a van!
      Yeah like how can a homeless guy even get his hands on a computer? Are you soft in the head? What a bs statement YOU just made.
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      • Profile picture of the author lerxtjr
        I love discussions like this on wf. Of course there are tons of people making tons of money per month. And, there are people out there who are able to bring their off-line experience to online and jump right in. Those types probably have a spouse or sibling or cousin or something that has the web-savvy from a technical perspective to accomplish what they need quickly and free. Why dispute whether it happens or not? If you're not there yet yourself, you should be asking "why am 'I' not there yet?"

        And that's where my dispute comes into play where said
        you won't learn how to get there buying WSO's
        .

        If you don't have the person or team to draw the experience from (spouse, siblings, cousins, close friends), you're going to have to LEARN everything you can from anyone you can. If someone makes a product on a topic you need to learn about, don't be so worried if their exact step-by-step system is going to turn you into a millionaire and then be all disappointed when you only make $10,000 in sales over six months.

        Buy every book, cd, workshop, wso you can afford and build your own system that works for you and your product. Even if you only got one single suggestion that makes you $10K, you still didn't make the $20K per month. But does that mean the education you bought sucked? Or that the provider did not tell the truth? Or pulled a fast one on you?

        We've got to get beyond this need to find that one silver bullet that makes us all rich and start seeing the value in paying a few measly bucks to learn new tactics to try for ourselves. Trying any sequence or system or tactic produced by someone else is only a something worth testing to see if it's right for you and your market.
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    • Profile picture of the author sadneck
      Originally Posted by Wade32 View Post

      I see what the poster means. You see a lot of claims online about how Internet marketers rose from the ashes to dominate the industry.

      One story that I can think of is that guy from the Empower Network. He claims to have been homeless, & now is super successful. Do I believe it? It's probably BS. I mean how does a homeless guy get his hands on a computer to even start Internet marketing anyway?

      These stories play on the emotional part of the sales pitch and encourage the reader to say to themselves, "If they can do this in that situation, I should be able to do it too."

      I believe it takes a while to build a business up to make $20k per month. Can you do this through affiliate links? I'm sure you can, but not while living in the back of a van!
      lol Wade. Good point.

      That empower network was very interesting and I have to say, after watching the video, it made me FEEL like buying into the system. Did you ever notice on the video how certain words were bolded and others were italicized, (or in red.) If you connect all the same type of font together it created whole new sentences like "YOU WILL BUY NOW", and "YOU ARE READY TO BUY".

      It was unbelievable. You may not notice off first glance, but sublimely your mind notices!

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    • Profile picture of the author Greg guitar
      Originally Posted by Wade32 View Post

      One story that I can think of is that guy from the Empower Network. He claims to have been homeless, & now is super successful. Do I believe it? It's probably BS. I mean how does a homeless guy get his hands on a computer to even start Internet marketing anyway?
      I agree with you overall, so don't get me wrong; it is probably BS, but I just wanted to answer the rhetorical question there, at least here in Seattle, and a lot of cities in the US; not sure about elsewhere.

      I've actually thought about how I'd like to help a homeless person succeed online, and I will tell you how I visualize them doing it, but it wouldn't be easy. We have public libraries where you can book an hour at a time on a computer.

      It would require them signing up for some accounts, using cloud storage, getting a free personal information manager, and remembering one password. The rest of their passwords could be stored inside the information manager, or for that matter, inside an email account; doesn't matter; the point is, they need to remember one place where all the other memory aids would be kept.

      They could then take any method that can be done in an hour or 2 a day (they can book an hour at a time, but come back the same day for another hour). And just do it. Obviously, it would take a lot of motivation, but it's doable.
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  • Profile picture of the author sovereignn
    Most of them are of course complete BS

    But you'd be surprised at how easy it can be if you really get to work and start networking.

    20k a month may not be that easy but 5k+ honestly isn't all that tough
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    • Profile picture of the author Wade32
      Originally Posted by sovereignn View Post

      Most of them are of course complete BS

      But you'd be surprised at how easy it can be if you really get to work and start networking.

      20k a month may not be that easy but 5k+ honestly isn't all that tough
      Not to redirect this another way, but you're right! For a new blogger, or site owner, $20K per month is probably a lot of cash...and it IS a lot of cash! But if one really stays consistent with their work, $5K per month is very do-able within a short amount of time.

      I was kind of slow...it took me 8 months before I really started making money. For everyone it's different, I guess, but as long as you stay consistent and shoot for an achievable mark, it can be done!
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    • Profile picture of the author Walter Parrish
      Originally Posted by sovereignn View Post

      Most of them are of course complete BS

      But you'd be surprised at how easy it can be if you really get to work and start networking.

      20k a month may not be that easy but 5k+ honestly isn't all that tough
      Since I came back into IM every day I wonder what would have happened if I would have kept those 1500 facebook friends.
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    • I for one always believe in things that are fundamentally logical and can be substantiated with verifiable facts. For instance, if I stumbled on the video documentary below, then I'd:

      (1) Research about the person and the people responsible for producing and uploading the video;
      (2) Find out that the video was produced by the Asia Pacific Development Center on Disability of the United Nations, so I can contact them and ask about the video if I wanted to;
      (3) Find out that Mr. Thomas Ng, owner of Genashtim, a company that employs people with disabilities across Asia in 90% of their manpower base, and former Asia Pacific CEO (for more than 25 years) of Asea Brown Boveri, the world's largest power engineering firm, uploaded the video to Youtube;
      (4) Find out that the person in the video is a board member of DigiBridge, a foundation that focuses on providing gainful employment and business opportunities to people with disabilities in Asia and around the world, along with Mr. Thomas Ng and Mr. Guy Russo, former CEO of McDonald's Asia and now CEO of KMart Australia and Mr. Ben Chang, MD of a publicly listed company in Hong Kong, among other people; and
      (5) Find out that the person in the video documentary has a lot of stories in reputable national media outlets and is the recipient of the 2008 Most Inspiring Entrepreneur of the Philippines award from the Philippine Center of Entrepreneurship, a Philippine government office headed by the presidential consultant on business and entrepreneurship Mr. Jose Concepcion III, who also owns and runs RFM Corporation, a national corporate magnate in the food and beverage industry of the Philippines, and so, with these pieces of data ---

      • I can then decide to contact these people, media outlets and government office to ask about this person and the video if I wanted to, which'd lead me to a more informed decision about the credibility of the story below:

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  • Profile picture of the author Greedy
    Hey I'm not going to lie I've gotten lucky striking some pretty big campaigns early off.

    But maybe it was just because of all the hard work I put in.

    For the most part I agree with this statement:

    20k a month may not be that easy but 5k+ honestly isn't all that tough
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    • Profile picture of the author Mr. Ken Russell
      20k ?! Pfftss. Only?

      I thought everybody around here was making at least 10k/day
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      • There are people who started online businesses that now bring in $20k a month, absolutely. However, I feel fairly certain that none of them did it by joining a program.
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        • Profile picture of the author Walter Parrish
          Originally Posted by Hopeless Bromantic View Post

          There are people who started online businesses that now bring in $20k a month, absolutely. However, I feel fairly certain that none of them did it by joining a program.
          I think the more they learned the more success they had.
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          • Originally Posted by Walter Parrish View Post

            I think the more they learned the more success they had.
            Usually true, I would guess. The thing is, there's a limit to how much you can learn if you're in just one program, follow their "system," and do nothing else.

            In general, entrepreneurs learn the most when they're out on their own and networking with lots of different marketers, taking small bits of wisdom from each of them to come up with the plan that fits their business model best.
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            • Profile picture of the author Silas Hart
              I had to invest a lot of time and money into making what I do now. Took years of experience into learning my industry.
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            • Profile picture of the author Walter Parrish
              Originally Posted by Hopeless Bromantic View Post

              Usually true, I would guess. The thing is, there's a limit to how much you can learn if you're in just one program, follow their "system," and do nothing else.

              In general, entrepreneurs learn the most when they're out on their own and networking with lots of different marketers, taking small bits of wisdom from each of them to come up with the plan that fits their business model best.
              As long as their successful marketers it will work. However, looking at the majority of this thread I'm thinking most are the people you need to avoid. You know how it goes you hang around with losers you become one lolol.

              I mean if people can't motivate themselves to reach for 1k 10k 20k days then I'm thinking they might as well get a day job somewhere.
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      • Profile picture of the author YoungAndOpulent
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        Originally Posted by Nio93 View Post

        20k ?! Pfftss. Only?

        I thought everybody around here was making at least 10k/day
        LOL. From reading the WSO section, that's what I would have thought.
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        • Profile picture of the author Horny Devil
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          Who cares who's making what. Just get out there and do it yourself.
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          • Profile picture of the author theory expert
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            I don't think you understand the OP's perspective. The OP don't know who to trust to get a strategy that's why the 20k in 30 days is being questioned.
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  • Profile picture of the author TheSalesBooster
    20k a month is chump change to top affiliates. My highest record in affiliate marketing was 10K PER DAY. So 20k per month is easily achievable, but you won't learn how to get there buying WSO's thats for sure.
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  • Profile picture of the author J Bold
    To be honest it's kind of a silly question.

    Yes, I believe some of them and no, I don't believe others.

    Also, you seem to have a very limiting mindset. This kind of mindset won't get you anywhere.

    For example, we can all agree there are plumbers who make hundreds of thousands of dollars per year because they've built their business from the ground up and now employ tens or hundreds of people. I know this because I personally know at least two who do very well in the plumbing business.

    Then we can all agree there are plumbers who make like $20K per year or so. Not surprising at all if there are plumbers out there making that.

    Why can't the plumber making $20K per year make $200K per year? He can.

    But if he thinks, "I just can't see how these other plumbers are making so much money when all I can make is less than $2,000 per month," he will never get anywhere.

    So, who cares about the claims of others? Focus on improving yourself, improving your focus, improving your mindset, improving your knowledge of business and how to scale it up, etc.

    On the other hand if you want to be bitter and jealous of the people who are making the kind of money you want to make and just say they're all full of BS to feel better about yourself (yes some of them are full of it, but there are plenty who aren't), then go ahead.
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    • Profile picture of the author Walter Parrish
      Originally Posted by J Bold View Post

      To be honest it's kind of a silly question.

      Yes, I believe some of them and no, I don't believe others.

      Also, you seem to have a very limiting mindset. This kind of mindset won't get you anywhere.

      For example, we can all agree there are plumbers who make hundreds of thousands of dollars per year because they've built their business from the ground up and now employ tens or hundreds of people. I know this because I personally know at least two who do very well in the plumbing business.

      Then we can all agree there are plumbers who make like $20K per year or so. Not surprising at all if there are plumbers out there making that.

      Why can't the plumber making $20K per year make $200K per year? He can.

      But if he thinks, "I just can't see how these other plumbers are making so much money when all I can make is less than $2,000 per month," he will never get anywhere.

      So, who cares about the claims of others? Focus on improving yourself, improving your focus, improving your mindset, improving your knowledge of business and how to scale it up, etc.

      On the other hand if you want to be bitter and jealous of the people who are making the kind of money you want to make and just say they're all full of BS to feel better about yourself (yes some of them are full of it, but there are plenty who aren't), then go ahead.
      Exactly.
      It falls in that 95 percent 5 percent rule.
      95 percent are just there and socializing, the 5 percent are the movers and shakers the ones actually putting in work and getting things done.

      That means basically if we do the opposite of what the masses do in IM then we will achieve. And from what I see most are just socializing.
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      • Profile picture of the author TakenAction
        Most of em are BS for sure but everyonce in a while you will find one that is legit.
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  • Profile picture of the author seobuzz
    I believe if it make sense!
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    • Profile picture of the author snipershot
      Originally Posted by seobuzz View Post

      I believe if it make sense!
      Me too . Thanks for these
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  • Profile picture of the author headmaster211
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    It is true or not. But yeah it gets me motivated and force me to sit and work hard to find success. Some people do it as they want to make a certain image of theirs and establish their credibility. But sometimes few stories are so lame anyone can tell that it can't happen. Nobody homeless with no knowledge, with not even a laptop (I read somewhere a gal she used to work in a cafe, she used her friend laptop) starts making a lot of money in just 1-2 months. That's ridiculous.. although I hope that would be true.
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  • Profile picture of the author michaelplies
    it is possible. here something to check out :
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_y6bKhyl-fE
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  • Profile picture of the author slicka
    $20k per month is not a huge amount in terms of gross, but in terms of net it is great. With that said there are affiliates doing that weekly, so its quite possible.

    Is it likely that starting from nothing you will make $20k your first month, incredibly incredbly unlikely. BUT $3-6k in your first month, is very doable if your really put in the effort.
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  • Profile picture of the author Nightengale
    I feel the frustration in you post and I sympathize with you.

    There are a lot of scams and less-than-truthful people out there. And there always will be. But there are also high-income people doing exactly what they say they're doing -- and teaching. The trick is to discern which is which.

    I learned early on that it was MY job to find those who were the real deal and then learn from them. I long ago moved away from the "Make money online in your underwear overnight" hype. I buy only from REAL business people with REAL businesses.

    If you want to make big money as an affiliate, I'm sure there are people doing it. You have to go out and find them. I chose not to make affiliate marketing my main business model, so I can't recommend the best people in the affiliate space. But I'm sure there are those here who know who they are.

    However... Internet marketing is the same for everyone, whether you're an affiliate or selling your own products. So you don't have to look for someone selling/giving info specifically on making money as an affiliate. You just need to look for solid info on making money online.

    Yes, $20K/month is very possible. I'm not making anywhere near that much yet, but my mentors are. It's only $160K/year and my mentors are multi-millionaires.

    One of the biggest issues newbies have (and most everyone else, myself included) is not focusing on one business idea and working at it until it succeeds. We're GREAT at starting things, but not so great at seeing them through until they're making money. We get caught in the space between starting something and actually having success with it. It's WORK. Our fears and doubts get in the way. Then the newest bright shiny object comes along and we jump on it, leaving our first project unfinished.

    Pick a niche, pick a product or service and pick a business model. Then stick with it until it succeeds.

    If you don't know how to market online yet, or who to learn from, here are the ladies who have mentored me:

    1. Ali Brown -- AliBrown.com
    2. Carrie Wilkerson -- Barefoot-Executive.com
    3. Sheri McConnell -- SmartWomenInstitute.com

    Sheri McConnell has been my mentor since 2010. She's phenomenal and I'm so happy I chose to learn from her. I'm currently in a 5-month coaching program with her, but after this Nov., she'll no longer be doing business coaching. So you're out of luck there. But I assume she'll still be selling her info products for a while.

    I highly recommend her Marketing 2.0 course which you can see here: Marketing 2.0 | Smart Women Institute

    It's very comprehensive and at just $295, uber cheap. (The first "real" Internet marketing course I bought from Ali Brown was $1500. And I've paid Sheri $8K so far this year for her coaching. $295 is CHEAP.)

    Also, check out Dan Kennedy's "No B.S." books at Amazon.com or your local bookstore.

    A principle of success is "Find someone who's doing what you want to do, then learn from them and model them." Excellent advice! Go for it.

    Hope this helps!
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    • Profile picture of the author lerxtjr
      Some are even "rags to riches" lose everything again and then back to riches.
      haaa, yeah, I know a lot of big money makers that are HORRIBLE business people that have no clue how to handle their money. They lose it just as fast as they get it.
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  • Profile picture of the author Riggs
    This is the Internet. I win the Nigerian lottery whenever I open my email inbox and a new Audi A6 whenever I browse porn.

    There's very little I believe online anymore.
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    • Profile picture of the author Will Edwards
      Originally Posted by Riggs View Post

      This is the Internet. I win the Nigerian lottery whenever I open my email inbox and a new Audi A6 whenever I browse porn.

      There's very little I believe online anymore.
      Oh no - coffee in the keyboard again
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    • Profile picture of the author AndreAyton
      Originally Posted by Riggs View Post

      This is the Internet. I win the Nigerian lottery whenever I open my email inbox and a new Audi A6 whenever I browse porn.

      There's very little I believe online anymore.
      Exactly lmao
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  • Profile picture of the author Weedy92
    Yes and No, it's more so something you have to keep an eye out for. There's plenty of guys out there including myself that make seven figures a year. But I've been doing this for close to 9 years now, overnight sucess like that doesn't happen. Sure anyone can make a portion of it, and if I had to put a cap on it, I'd say realistically making $3-4K/month is entirely possible with a few months of work, the right method, and the will to stay with it. Also $20K/M might seem like it's a lot but I can assure you, it's a fraction of what power players and myself are making. But don't get me wrong $240K/year is a solid income, anyone doing that amount should be proud of their hard work. One other note, is for guys who make it to make it to $20K/M, remember the money you make is up to you, your motivation and your work ethic, don't limit yourself to numbers.
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  • Profile picture of the author Virtualghost
    Sure they make that amount selling to gullible people their finely written B.S.Even on here you hear about all the money you"could" make in X hours or X days but you read a thread month's later the posters don't say yeah Thanks I made what you stated I"could" make.So I believe to make this money they have one heck of a good writer for them or they're a good writer to get you to buy.
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  • Profile picture of the author Walter Parrish
    Originally Posted by womendollars View Post

    I hate to be negative but I just don't believe the $20k a month stories any longer from an affiliate perspective. Most of the stories or shares are great and I hope they are true but given the struggle that so many have I just don't see how some can do so well in such a short amount of time. Many of the posts I see are about how I went from living in my friends basement to $20k+ a month. How does that happen in a matter of one month? Just insane imo!
    none of it is insane at all you just have to think like an accountant.
    20 a week x 4 weeks = 80 bucks that type of thinking.

    now initially I kept hearing the money is in the list, the money is in the list, the money is in the list, but I never believed that.

    being a person who learned through face to face sales that if you just do what the master sales person says you will increase your sales, i listened and began to build a list.

    i only had 5 people on my list and was sending them information on marketing and wso's. i noticed when i purchased wso's that many of the people would add me to their lists and send out the same wso offers daily. so, i figured somehow they are getting paid from these. that's when i did some internet research and discovered you could become an affiliate with warriorplus if the wso creator approved you.

    after joining warriorplus i would apply and get affiliate links for the products I liked. now, instead of just giving information on wso's to my list of 5 people I would give them my affiliate link as well.

    that's when I learned the money is in the list.
    month 1 that list of 5 folks earned me 60 bucks through warriorplus
    the next month I made 100 bucks with 10 folks on the list.
    here's the accountant part;
    if 10 people = 100 bucks then 10 times that amount = 100people or 1000 bucks
    now imagine if you have 1000 or 10000 people on your lists?

    The key thing I find with IM is find a good guru go over their stuff and don't just read it put it into practice. Sure everything they teach won't fit everyone, but you will find what you like and what you do best in the process and after some tweeking you can make 20k a month. I think what's best is to stick to the basics and you will never go wrong.
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    • Profile picture of the author jenbac
      Well as for me. For a highly determined and creative person, nothing is impossible.
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  • Profile picture of the author thinkoutthebox
    20k is easy

    The thing in this game is
    that point blank people
    are not creative enough

    Are not passionate about
    marketing.

    Got into marketing for all
    the wrong reasons.

    Then there lame attempts,
    they start shunning of people
    making small fees like $20k a month

    Think like this:

    Think totally out the box of something
    that someone who hasn't got much
    knowledge in what you could teach them
    about and then find them and put them
    in front of your offer.


    The most simplest and easiest one

    There are hundreds of different niches
    that are getting on the Internet every week
    using sites that look lame, made by some
    marketer that wants to take advantage
    of peoples lack of confidence in ever thinking
    why people would come to there sites unless
    it was flashy and looked like something out
    of robocop

    You just have to get at these people, continuing
    the conversation going on in there head and then
    make a complete and opposite change of direction
    for them - telling them why and why what I'm saying
    is important.

    Once you get some one via that way, they will follow
    what you advise.

    The thing that's going to pay you and the best niche

    Hosting, plus you do not have to wait 60 - 90+ days
    you can talk with the hosting company and ask if i bring
    you so and so sign ups a month i want to get paid per week
    or whatever you choose

    Find the people

    Niches:

    Artists
    Musicians


    Basically anyone who believes in themselves
    and has a tonne of people not really believing
    in them and they are all alone

    Those kinds of people just need

    Confidence > Advice > Plan Of ACTION

    I would go on, but I know people do not
    value free information - but if you cant get the
    jist of this you need to get to more learning
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  • Profile picture of the author chungacreative
    Originally Posted by womendollars View Post

    I hate to be negative but I just don't believe the $20k a month stories any longer from an affiliate perspective. Most of the stories or shares are great and I hope they are true but given the struggle that so many have I just don't see how some can do so well in such a short amount of time. Many of the posts I see are about how I went from living in my friends basement to $20k+ a month. How does that happen in a matter of one month? Just insane imo!
    Funny I just wrote a thread about integrity today http://www.warriorforum.com/main-int...integrity.html
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  • Profile picture of the author wackiin
    its very doable ive been away over that before i had a brainfart and lost it all.
    Never with wso's and such here I was a affiliate for various other things and also had about 10 of my own sites rocking

    If you find something that makes 1k/5k etc twist the screws and do it times 100 and you will be over 20k per month
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  • Profile picture of the author Jaz
    To me, it is all about perspective. Can I see myself making 20k a month doing this? Frankly no. Is it possible? Of course. I understand that other people are doing it. It doesn't make me a doubting Thomas or a bad marketer, but a different person that thinks differently. However, it isn't until I get that 3-6k a month that I can start to think of ways to get to next level of 5-8k a month. It is a progression or goal.

    Although people have climbed the Himalayas, I can't imagine doing it until I start climbing.
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    • Profile picture of the author Walter Parrish
      Originally Posted by Jaz View Post

      To me, it is all about perspective. Can I see myself making 20k a month doing this? Frankly no. Is it possible? Of course. I understand that other people are doing it. It doesn't make me a doubting Thomas or a bad marketer, but a different person that thinks differently. However, it isn't until I get that 3-6k a month that I can start to think of ways to get to next level of 5-8k a month. It is a progression or goal.

      Although people have climbed the Himalayas, I can't imagine doing it until I start climbing.
      dude, get that book The millionaire Fastlane by Demarco. he talks about some stuff I think you might like.
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  • Profile picture of the author kakarotoni
    Well it depends, most people wouldn't talk about how much money they make, but for first timers making that much I could see it happening. Heck, if I made 20k a month for the first time I would probably be on here talking about it. But, if I was an old timer making 100k a month for the last few years I probably wouldn't be on here
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  • Profile picture of the author Matt Carlson
    Originally Posted by womendollars View Post

    I hate to be negative but I just don't believe the $20k a month stories any longer from an affiliate perspective. Most of the stories or shares are great and I hope they are true but given the struggle that so many have I just don't see how some can do so well in such a short amount of time. Many of the posts I see are about how I went from living in my friends basement to $20k+ a month. How does that happen in a matter of one month? Just insane imo!
    While going to $20k/month within one month may not be possible,achieving that figure in 6 months is very much possible if you put the required amount of work.

    Internet is absolutely huge and making $20k/month via affiliate route is not very difficult if you know what you are doing.There are affiliates who make this much and more a day on a regular basis.
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  • Profile picture of the author retsced
    Who cares whether another person is making 20k a month anyway. If you find a strategy that's working for you then just focus on that.
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  • Profile picture of the author Thomas Michal
    Just because you are failing to produce those results doesn't mean they don't...

    Also one thing to keep in mind when looking at screen shots of people making 20k+ per month is how much did they spend on advertising.

    If they made $20,000 but spent $21,000 they lost $1000 but that doesn't show up in a clickbank screenshot, just the $20k does.
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    • Profile picture of the author mrdomains
      10k 20k 40k none of it matters because those numbers are 99.9% of the time about Revenue.. which is not the same as Profit.

      Profit is money in the pocket which is what the newbie wants. It is actually quite difficult to put 20k in the pocket every month. Most times when you will see blablabla 20k a month.. that is the gross revenue they made. Which in some cases may leave you with 0 in short-term profit.

      Most marketers making five figures a month have a company / in-house team and/or outsource the bulk work all of which costs. Marketing the operation itself costs. Add taxes. Then you have the online ups and downs on every conceivable level which either impacts your income severely, or which you outsmart by counterattacking.. which cost money.

      In the end, very few people manage stable checks every single month. The 20k may even have been a one time deal. The newbie however often thinks clockwork checks.
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  • Profile picture of the author Jake Moore
    $20k/month is absolutely achievable....just not in your first month.

    Hard work, hard work, hard work.

    Never, ever quit.

    Modify, but don't ever quit.

    No reason you can't be there in a year.
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    • Profile picture of the author Walter Parrish
      Originally Posted by Jake Moore View Post

      $20k/month is absolutely achievable....just not in your first month.

      Hard work, hard work, hard work.

      Never, ever quit.

      Modify, but don't ever quit.

      No reason you can't be there in a year.
      I disagree. Some can do 20k in the first month, just depends on who they are and their experience.
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  • Profile picture of the author Corey Geer
    They're building hype and authority with things like that. Of course, most of us know it's BS and it's only there to increase sales but $20k/Monthly really is achievable.

    You might make $1/Monthly or you might make six digits monthly, there are people who do it out there but want to know their secret? They don't sit on forums telling people how rich they are and how much money they make. I believe some of us are guilty of this next part but, they don't spend hardly time on forums at all, they're constantly working on their business and tweaking things for better results.
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  • Profile picture of the author chrisacho
    it is almost impossible when perceived to be impossible and the truth is that only 7% claiming testimonials are real. Been there done that, and i will conclude to say i have earned over that in years though and not just one 72 hours magic testimony, though possible but in very rare programs that require dedication and the full secrets implemented.
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    • Profile picture of the author tylerjaysen
      ha ha...I love these kinds of post...they show you how a mind set is so important to making money online.

      Yeah I agree that many of the $20k a month testimonials you see out there are total bulls**t...there are many folks who are making that kind of change....and many are making alot more.

      It depends on where you are reading the testimonial. If it's on a website selling a product...then yeah..u need to take it with a grain of salt.

      If your built-in BS meter goes off....after reading about a certain hyped money claim...then you are probably correct.

      However...there are many, many people online making $20k a month online....it really is not a number that is far fetched....if you do the math.

      $20K a month comes out to $666 a day roughly....

      There are many ways to set up legit sites that will make that kind of money...CPA sites, review sites, and membership sites.

      In the case of a membership site, say you charge $25 a month..then you would need 800 members to make $20k.

      If you had a review site...selling a clickbank product that gives commission of $100, then selling just 6 of those a day....will get you to $20k.

      I know folks who are making over $100k a month..and what they do is no different.

      Yeah sure it took time and money to get there....but isn't it worth it?

      I mean a freakin bachelors degree these days will cost you $40K..and when you graduate....what do you have to show for it..? A degree? Yea....so...

      ....and you also have $40K worth of debt to pay off right from the start. I guarantee none of those college grads will be making $20k a month at a job after they graduate.
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      • Profile picture of the author Anthony Gibson
        Originally Posted by tylerjaysen View Post

        ha ha...I love these kinds of post...they show you how a mind set is so important to making money online.

        Yeah I agree that many of the $20k a month testimonials you see out there are total bulls**t...there are many folks who are making that kind of change....and many are making alot more.

        It depends on where you are reading the testimonial. If it's on a website selling a product...then yeah..u need to take it with a grain of salt.

        If your built-in BS meter goes off....after reading about a certain hyped money claim...then you are probably correct.

        However...there are many, many people online making $20k a month online....it really is not a number that is far fetched....if you do the math.

        $20K a month comes out to $666 a day roughly....

        There are many ways to set up legit sites that will make that kind of money...CPA sites, review sites, and membership sites.

        In the case of a membership site, say you charge $25 a month..then you would need 800 members to make $20k.

        If you had a review site...selling a clickbank product that gives commission of $100, then selling just 6 of those a day....will get you to $20k.

        I know folks who are making over $100k a month..and what they do is no different.

        Yeah sure it took time and money to get there....but isn't it worth it?

        I mean a freakin bachelors degree these days will cost you $40K..and when you graduate....what do you have to show for it..? A degree? Yea....so...

        ....and you also have $40K worth of debt to pay off right from the start. I guarantee none of those college grads will be making $20k a month at a job after they graduate.
        Love the way you broke down the math in your response Tyler! I love playing with numbers too!

        Sell 39 $17 WSOs a day and you're right around $20k/mth!

        So many different ways to tackle it!

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  • Profile picture of the author rslayter
    People will say anything they want to online...just like they will on the phone. I don't doubt that there is people making 20k+ online. I think that it would take more than a month for an average person online. There is probably only a few that ever went from broke to rich in just a month.
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    • Profile picture of the author drmahir
      I believe that it is an emotional part of the sales pitch, which is not always the whole truth.
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      I believe that they are emotional part of the sales pitch,although they are not always the whole truth.
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    • Profile picture of the author discrat
      There is a bunch of people on here that make $20+ per month each and every month.There is no doubting that.

      Doing it within one month of starting IM ?? Not very probable but I am sure it happens every once in awhile.
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    • Profile picture of the author cashp0wer
      Normally when I read someone is making $20k per month I don't believe it unless they are very well known and have been in business for years. I know there are people out there making this much and more but many more do not.
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      • Profile picture of the author Walter Parrish
        Originally Posted by cashp0wer View Post

        Normally when I read someone is making $20k per month I don't believe it unless they are very well known and have been in business for years. I know there are people out there making this much and more but many more do not.
        Exactly. They are assuming that everyone here knows little to nothing about business. I see it every day on here, the guys and gals with keen business experience are often ignored. Heck there's a few on this thread who said they bring in 20k and people aren't paying much attention to them.
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    • Profile picture of the author connorbringas
      No i dont, especially when people claim to make that kind of money extremely quickly. Its tough, especially now since the economy isnt doing so great. However, if you work hard at it anything is possible given enough time. From nothing one month to 20k the next doesnt seem possible.
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    • Profile picture of the author cashp0wer
      I believe there are people making this much. I personally know someone making close to this but not quite this much. This person has been in the business for years and has a lot of experience. I don't think a person can make this much easily or quickly however.
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  • Profile picture of the author perfumer
    I believe these claims but I also believe that nothing like this happens overnight.
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  • Profile picture of the author Joseph Robinson
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    To whoever above said a homeless guy can't get his hands on a laptop: there are multiple at the local library who have laptops that aren't too shabby. You'd be amazed what they bring in panhandling (until they get caught, OCSD looks down on the practice in Orlando).

    Now, only one of those guys (that I know of) is trying IM and he's failing miserably because he's putting his dreams into a $497 FB program promising 10k per month (all she teaches is 1. Write free report 2. Make fan page 3. Add opt in). So the whole homeless to rich in a month dream looks less than feasible from here.

    Don't feel too bad for the guy though, I watched him put in a bogus refund request to get the money back while assuring me he only did it about "once a year".
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  • Profile picture of the author TopKat22
    There are true "rags to riches" stories, not all in IM. Here are a few Stephen Pierce, Dina Dove, Mike Lamb.

    Some are even "rags to riches" lose everything again and then back to riches.

    As for a homeless person getting access to a computer....Stephen got a job with a guy as a janitor and permission to sleep on the floor at night and use his computer.

    Dina lived in an abandoned home (I think of a family member, don't quite remember details) and her sister let her come over to use her computer.

    A friend of mine would go to the library and use the computer, there.

    That is the sad thing about IM, is there is so much untruth it is hard to tell when it is really the truth.

    However, most of these type stories, these people worked really long and hard and it wasn't in just a few months.

    I've lucked out on some things and made some big bucks up front in just a few days but it did take some months to build it up to some consistency.

    The best "short cut" in my opinion is to not look for "short cuts" and just stick with the basics of running a good service business or selling a great product (either your own or as an affiliate).

    Find a system that works for you and stick to it.

    Stop jumping from one thing to another looking for a quick buck.
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  • Profile picture of the author Mark72
    If you had a lot of money to spend and access to somebody with experience to show you exactly what to do, you MIGHT be able to get to $20,000 in a month.

    But, you would have to spend a few grand on traffic to get the ball rolling.

    Most of the rags to riches stories are complete b/s, but occasionally you can come across a superstar who just "gets it" and is able to build a successful online business in a relatively short period of time.

    Lee McIntyre would be an example of this.
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      Lee McIntyre is definitely a great example. He teaches his clients exact same technicues.
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  • Profile picture of the author Devin X
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    Originally Posted by womendollars View Post

    Many of the posts I see are about how I went from living in my friends basement to $20k+ a month. How does that happen in a matter of one month? Just insane imo!
    It doesn't. Plain and simple. But it is an effective "strategem" that scammers will use until the well dries up.
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  • Profile picture of the author mrizos
    I'll throw in my 2c here. After 5 years of casually blogging on a subject I love I've netted around $70,000. That's five years of...

    Adsense
    ebay (epn)
    amazon

    I never created one of those list things....
    I never pressured anyone to buy anything
    I created 2-3 posts/week on a blog that were anywhere from 100-1000+ words

    If I have to attribute my "success" to anything it would be forming a crazy fanbase via youtube.

    It's not a ton of money but it paid for vacations, cars and some awesome memories.

    Would I ever want go full time IM/blogging? No. The internet changes every minute of the day, it's just to volatile to depend on.
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  • Profile picture of the author caseym
    I believe you can make $20K a month, but no way is somebody pulling that after one month. I would say more like 2-5 years is more realistic.
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    • Profile picture of the author Walter Parrish
      Originally Posted by caseym View Post

      I believe you can make $20K a month, but no way is somebody pulling that after one month. I would say more like 2-5 years is more realistic.
      How much you want to put up???
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  • Profile picture of the author Tim Franklin
    the only thing that matters is can you make 20k a month doing the same thing and the answer to that question should determine the result, 99.999 percent of the time people who buy into this kind of program fail to achieve one dime of profit.

    Its sad and it is likely illegal but what can you do except try to warn people that are new to marketing and do not realize that these "Pie in the Sky promises" are not real they are designed to separate marketers who are new from their money period.

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  • Profile picture of the author amin-lelieveld
    Originally Posted by womendollars View Post

    I hate to be negative but I just don't believe the $20k a month stories any longer from an affiliate perspective. Most of the stories or shares are great and I hope they are true but given the struggle that so many have I just don't see how some can do so well in such a short amount of time. Many of the posts I see are about how I went from living in my friends basement to $20k+ a month. How does that happen in a matter of one month? Just insane imo!
    Great question. Let me begin by saying that you create your own reality. Most stories are just created to create an image that it's very easy to make huge amount of money online and that they have the secret.

    20k a month as an affiliate means you have to put alot of energy and work to it. It doesn't happen just overnight. Not even in 1 month unless you have 5k to 10k to invest in ads or you have a team of people who work for you and build a huge list for you that when you sendout an email most people buy.

    Hmm let's not forget that you also need to create a relationship with the people on your list if order to sell to them.

    20k a month ? My question is , which strategy do you think will work for you?
    Do you sell membership subscribtions or one time payment products.

    My question to is, why would you botter about what others are saying.Listen, even if you would make 5k in just 30 or even 60 day's and grow your income each month.

    PM me if you have any question, If I can help you with your questions I would love to have your feedback. NO PRODUCTS WILL BE SOLD.

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  • Profile picture of the author bigrayban
    Originally Posted by womendollars View Post

    I hate to be negative but I just don't believe the $20k a month stories any longer from an affiliate perspective. Most of the stories or shares are great and I hope they are true but given the struggle that so many have I just don't see how some can do so well in such a short amount of time. Many of the posts I see are about how I went from living in my friends basement to $20k+ a month. How does that happen in a matter of one month? Just insane imo!
    its true my friend just need an idea and a system
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  • Profile picture of the author Headfirst
    Originally Posted by womendollars View Post

    I hate to be negative but I just don't believe the $20k a month stories any longer from an affiliate perspective. Most of the stories or shares are great and I hope they are true but given the struggle that so many have I just don't see how some can do so well in such a short amount of time. Many of the posts I see are about how I went from living in my friends basement to $20k+ a month. How does that happen in a matter of one month? Just insane imo!
    I wouldn't believe them either.

    But, are some doing it? Yes they are.
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  • Profile picture of the author kaseyp
    I know that 20k a month is definitely possible, but I would say most people are not able to achieve that kind of success in 1 month. But I have noticed that once you start making some consistant money online it's really easy to scale that up and make a lot of money.
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  • Profile picture of the author Genie23
    Well, I have seen a lot.. Tried some. But no success with these programs. I am motivated and inspired to make a good amount of money from online but you have to work really hard for that -- like 24/7. I guess these stories always have a catch and most of them are false testimonies.
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  • Profile picture of the author IMSince2003
    I go to the WSO section often. I read tons and tons of threads and posts. I don't think I've ever read one single post where a customer of a hyped up wso did the crazy numbers that were promised, NOT ONE. It's the possibility that keeps people going and gives them hope.

    If you had a large advertising budget, say $5K and you setup a really good sales funnel, I don't see why you couldn't get to $20K in the first month right off the bat. Is it likely? Nope! Possible? Yes!
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    • Profile picture of the author Walter Parrish
      Originally Posted by IMSince2003 View Post

      I go to the WSO section often. I read tons and tons of threads and posts. I don't think I've ever read one single post where a customer of a hyped up wso did the crazy numbers that were promised, NOT ONE. It's the possibility that keeps people going and gives them hope.

      If you had a large advertising budget, say $5K and you setup a really good sales funnel, I don't see why you couldn't get to $20K in the first month right off the bat. Is it likely? Nope! Possible? Yes!
      I don't think anyone putting in the work, has a goal to come back to a WSO and tell them how it worked for them. They are busy putting in the work. Maybe the folks who spend time hanging around old WSO's should put in the work as well.
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  • Profile picture of the author mike351
    regarding affiliate marketing combined with the imo most often used traffic driving method seo, it is not really possible to get to 20k+ a month from zero (except if you find a totally untapped niche with a lot of demand which should be quiet impossible these days).
    even if you get to one 20k+ month with social media, you still need a lot of twitter followers or facebook fans which i wont call "from zero".
    so nope, imo it is not possible though it is possible in a matter of an year or 9 months maybe.
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  • Profile picture of the author MysteryOfSean
    I sure wish I could make $20,000 every month. I've been working at building my internet marketing business for a very long time. There's a lot of frustration. There's a lot of work. I believe some people have succeeded in a very short time to make a large monthly income. I also believe there are many, many, many more people who don't have much to show after some time. The most important part of success is your attitude. believe it can be done. Your chances are better that way!
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    • Profile picture of the author Walter Parrish
      Originally Posted by MysteryOfSean View Post

      I sure wish I could make $20,000 every month. I've been working at building my internet marketing business for a very long time. There's a lot of frustration. There's a lot of work. I believe some people have succeeded in a very short time to make a large monthly income. I also believe there are many, many, many more people who don't have much to show after some time. The most important part of success is your attitude. believe it can be done. Your chances are better that way!
      just start moving outside the box. some will teach to start with people just learning to make money online and sale to them, then they go on and give us a list as to where to find them. warriorforum, digital point, fb, etc., but if we start to move outside the box we realize that everyone else is looking for the newbies to be in ths ame places, so we basically need to go where no one else is going.

      whats really really key I think is thinking outside of the box, and basically doing the opposite of what everyone else is doing. so, if the majority here don't think 20k days are possible, that's on them and less competition to worry about.

      heck if you got a membership site with 100 people paying 27 bucks each that's 2700. 1000 x 27 = 27000. I guess it all depends on peoples perceptions. when I experimented with list building I had folks on my list with 300 to 1500 facebook friends for some reason pride or whatever, they refused to ask people if they wanted to learn to make money online. so, it all depends on the persons view i guess.
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  • Profile picture of the author Riter Ric
    NO...I just get the strong feeling that 99.99% of this is all lies...made to fool people into thinking that it is possible to make so much money online. But until and unless I come across someone who has made that kind of money, I would rather feel safer in my own beliefs.

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  • Profile picture of the author Tony Humble
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    You will not make $20k a month starting out. However, after years of work, you might hit $20k.. of course there are people who are making that much money (or even more!), but it's not a overnight recipe.
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    • Profile picture of the author Mystery777
      I was making slightly over $20k per month in pure PROFITS. This was going on for around 2.5 - 3 years. Then last year, something screwed up my main source of income, reducing it to less than half. Working on getting it back up as we speak.

      Thing is, there are two ways to achieve it: Building a real, stable business, working on it and having some patience till you reach your goal... or.... using shortcuts (mine was a temporary shortcut - an idea that popped into my mind while I was laying in bed, and made it into reality the next day)...

      I would strongly advice against depending on shortcuts. Working on building a real stable business that grows gradually over time is much better. Shortcuts teach you laziness and most of the time you won't "value" enough the money, which results in wasting a lot of it on nonsense.
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    • Profile picture of the author Walter Parrish
      Originally Posted by Tony Humble View Post

      You will not make $20k a month starting out. However, after years of work, you might hit $20k.. of course there are people who are making that much money (or even more!), but it's not a overnight recipe.
      Depends on who the person is. There's many on WF who ran their own businesses for years and were very successful at it. So, for them it's going to be learning what's what in the IM arena.

      Within the next year I expect to see more people making 20k or better within their first month as more business people are coming into IM.
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  • Profile picture of the author pepper81
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    For me personally, I couldn't care less about whether or not the creator of a product went from being dead broke to wiping his bum with $100 bills. A rags to riches story is always nice to hear but I think when stories like this are being told for the purpose of trying to sell you something you should really just take it with a grain of salt.

    Results and feasibility are the only things that matter when i'm deciding whether or not to purchase something. The personal life history of the person who created the product is totally irrelevant. Someone telling me they went from living on the streets to living in a mansion with this 'secret money making strategy' could be telling me the truth, but this wouldn't be the deciding factor that would make me want to buy his product.

    If someone told me straight up they were selling me their 'secret money making strategy' just so they could stuff their pockets full of cash and buy themselves a second yacht I couldn't care less. I would happily hand over my cash if it was a strategy that I could use to stuff my own pockets as well.
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  • Profile picture of the author YoungAndOpulent
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    Watch out for the people in this thread making those claims because chances are, they have something to sell you.
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  • Profile picture of the author DanWestern
    Sure I believe them. Anything is possible and if someone can make a small amount of money a month, they should be able to put more work in, scale it up and keep on improving to earn more.

    I doubt that this happens within a month. It's more likely that their stories are closer to a year, to build a business as big as $20k+ / month.
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  • Profile picture of the author napoleonwill
    I believe them. An abundance mindset allows you to see things that other people think are impossible. You need to believe it before you see it. If you sell one pair of shoes via Amazon, what is stopping you from selling 10,000? If you can find amazing traffic sources and know how to convert that traffic into sales, you can make as much as you want.

    I hesitate to say this, but here's the truth. Your mind assumes that you know everything there is to know about internet marketing. That you have exhausted all the options. It is playing tricks on you. Don't worry, everyone experiences the same thing. The successful people just push through it. Don't let it hold them back. You don't know what you don't know. Meaning, there is so much more you need to learn to make 20K per month. You cannot believe it because you have the false assumption that you know more about online marketing than you think you do. (not trying to be rude, just honest) Could it be that you just know the tip of the iceberg and need to learn way more?
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  • Profile picture of the author nicholasb
    yes I believe it because I have 1. done it myself and 2. helped others do it as well. It of course took more than 5 clicks of a mouse, but when you build a real business based off of timeless business and marketing principles 20k a month is just another jumping off point.
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  • Profile picture of the author Michael Foze
    I'm cringing hard at all these '20k is easy'

    lol Do you guys even think before you post?
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  • Profile picture of the author Vadimarket
    Well, I actually used to think like that. Until I started making that much myself. One of the reasons you don't believe that is because there are secrets about making money online that you don't know and that no one wants you to know. Not because they're greedy or selfish but because if everyone would use them, that would built a huge competition and possibly damage their income.

    Not a fact,just an opinion. I'm looking at it from the perspective of a guy I used to be, and who didn't know a thing about making money online.
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  • Profile picture of the author foomenow
    1 month from rag's to riches is a total pipe dream in my honest opinion!, I mean u gotta have a massive list & an extremely good rep!, I was on a webinar last week just too see what this person had to say!, we all know his name, but I'm not here to smear anyone!, however it was a new system, yeah ok!, but anyway's he was saying how easy it was too make 30K a month using his system & it had a 30 day MBG, ok about that with all the upsell's & so forth made me run!, maybe it might work, but are u willing to risk a nice chunk of change on a maybe?, the bottom line is this, I could not see getting your ROI back in 30 day's!, like I said I was just looking!, I really dont believe this can happen!, do you?, please let me know!
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  • Profile picture of the author Denise Harland
    Why don' you believe that making $20k from IM is very possible ?
    Whether it is true and just a fairytale, indeed you have to believe that is is VERY possible.

    What I want to emphasis for this, is your mind set. Just because there are some people telling a lie they could become rich from being tramp in the beginning, doesn't mean that there are not people who really could accomplish this.

    From out there, many people make money even more than $20K. But, they didn't achieve this in one night. There are some processes need to be passed through. There are some hardworking need to be done.

    If you have a mindset that making $20K is not possible, then how hard you try, I am sure you will never get the same achievement as the ones who are already successful.
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    • Profile picture of the author Michael Foze
      Originally Posted by Denise Harland View Post

      Why don' you believe that making $20k from IM is very possible ?
      Whether it is true and just a fairytale, indeed you have to believe that is is VERY possible.

      What I want to emphasis for this, is your mind set. Just because there are some people telling a lie they could become rich from being tramp in the beginning, doesn't mean that there are not people who really could accomplish this.

      From out there, many people make money even more than $20K. But, they didn't achieve this in one night. There are some processes need to be passed through. There are some hardworking need to be done.

      If you have a mindset that making $20K is not possible, then how hard you try, I am sure you will never get the same achievement as the ones who are already successful.
      It's not about whether it's possible. It's about whether it's realistic.

      What percentage of internet marketers are actually making $20k+ EVERY month.

      Maybe 5%? Even less probably.
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  • Profile picture of the author fatcitygirl
    I think many of these stories are BS as well and a lot of fabricated sob stories are simply to get you to BUY whatever it is they're selling. It's to play on your emotions.
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  • Profile picture of the author pkrme
    I personally know of people who are making x times than that and its real. I myself didn't believed at first. What I see a common feature among most of the individuals who are making such figures is that they don't even whisper about what they are making. But I think pondering on whether its true or not is a waste of time. Get working on ur project like nothing else existed each day and within no time things would start to look amazingly positive.
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  • Profile picture of the author contentwriting360
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    IMHO, I don't care if they really earn $20K per month or not. What I just really care for is how they do it. In most cases, if not always, these people won't give out their magic beans. Nevertheless, there are Internet Marketers who teach people on how to be successful as they are, and they do it in kind.
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  • Profile picture of the author Same
    $20k p/m is definitely big money, and hard achievable. But yeah, it is possible.

    Those guys, who run products in Clickbank, who spend a lot for advertising... They make much more than 20k$ per month + list growing speed is fast too.

    If your mind has this thing ( it is not possible, these stories are bullshit ) why just don't stop working on this and go back to 9-5 job?

    I think $20k per month is totally possible. But it requires a lot of action, more than few hands ( for sure. ), good motivation, clear mind and yeah... investment money. just my 2 cents.
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  • Profile picture of the author bsbear
    Some true, some false.

    I'm sure there are tons of internet marketing stories just like the 20k a month ones, that are actually true, you just have to find them.
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  • Profile picture of the author marlon
    Hi,

    If you hit the right product at the right time, 20k a month is on the low side.

    My first big hit did that much in a few days and continued that way for longer
    than I can remember.

    I've had many other products do similar things.

    Now, I ALSO spent 10 years or longer pre Internet and pre AOL trying to
    learn copywriting and running classified ads etc. Today you can learn
    those things that took me years to learn in months.

    Having said that MOST of the fast success stories I know fall into the
    old Dan Kennedy expression: "I was an overnight success after
    trying for 20 years"

    Except I see more commonly people doing it after 2 to 5 years of
    effort.

    When I met Fladlien, he wasn't doing that much. But it only took
    him I think 1 year to hit that figure.

    Same with Lee McIntyre who I've known a long time.

    David Wood had a long history in mlm and had been successful
    prior to living on the beach in a van.

    John Alanis is a friend who succeeded very quickly BUT had
    ran a prior direct marketing business and also worked at
    Group M with Kimble.

    Daegan Smith mucked around a few years before figuring it
    out. Ditto with his student Matt Lloyd.

    20k though isn't a great deal of money in a month. Take
    out taxes, servers, an employee or two. My break even
    for many years was around 25k to 30k a month.

    NONE of the above means diddly to YOU personally.
    You may never make it. You may make it overnight.
    You may muck around a year or longer.

    Just like ANY business in the world. It's no different.

    Best wishes,

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  • Profile picture of the author trade4861
    I made 16,100 USD in one month with affiliate programs and about 12,000 a month on average months. That was until the Google Panda update. Sales came from 90% organic traffic and about 10% from free advertising traffic. That was without even trying... well, kinda of.

    Post panda, my tiny (300 page) website still manages to bring in enough cash to pay all my bills and some.

    Mind you my only expenditure was domain hosting. So profits were basically 100%. I hit the 16,000 a month mark a year into building my site but was profiting within just a couple weeks of going live. This was also with only about five low PageRank backlinks pointing to my site... my site had a PageRank of zero.

    I would say 100K a month is realistic in one years time with a staff of three dedicated people.
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  • Profile picture of the author KarlWarren
    Originally Posted by womendollars View Post

    I hate to be negative...
    This is part of the problem right here

    Whether you believe something or not, doesn't mean it doesn't happen.

    A good idea, coupled with good marketing can easily make someone well over $20k in a month... possibly every month.

    I'm not saying it's easy, it isn't - you have to know what you are doing, or be extremely lucky if you don't. But there are hundreds of people you don't hear about, who are just getting on and doing it.

    The ones trying to sell you products, using their "success stories" as part of their pitch - they're not usually the ones to watch...

    It's the guys that you hear about every now and then in the newspapers that have turned their idea into a profitable business - they're the ones that inspire me.

    That word - BUSINESS - that's the key to making all this work.

    When we think about making money, we think about "now now now" - which ultimately seems to be what your post is leaning towards. When we think about business, it's more about putting the things in place to grow your income, consistently for the long term. That's where I'm putting my eggs, and I'm not doing too bad for myself
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  • Yeah, I believe it. Because $20k is peanuts in this industry.
    It's only hard for a lot of people because they don't know how.

    I always thought the standard was $30k?
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  • Profile picture of the author RedShifted
    I only believe these stories when the person telling them has NO way to benefit from the story (or no obvious benefit which tells me they're good at selling). And that tends to be rare on here, but it still happens.

    I've talked about my story before many times. I don't make even half of $20,000/month, but I do better than I've done my entire life, and for me, thats huge.

    Only time I tell me story, is when I see newbies who have busted their ass and are ready to give up. I use to see this one guy on here, where in every post he made, he had to mention that he made millions and use to work for the oil industries. And of course, right in his sig was a link on how to make money. Its those people who I know are FOS. Because he sucked at selling. If you suck at selling, logic tells me you're not making any money.
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  • Profile picture of the author Troy_Phillips
    Originally Posted by Chris Kent View Post

    If I see a picture of a guy with a Ferrari, I instantly smell bullshit.
    Have you been to a doctor about that? Strong smells from out of the blue can be a sign of a brain tumor ... or the need for a Bottle of BEANO.
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    • Profile picture of the author Troy_Phillips
      Originally Posted by Chris Kent View Post

      As a cancer survivor, I don't appreciate jokes about cancer, no matter how well intentioned.
      Congratulations on winning the fight but .... If you were tough enough to beat cancer .. I am sure you will be tough enough to get over the joke.

      Just think how many people who have worked their tails off to get a high end sports car have been offended by your comment. What about those that smell like bullshit and can not help it. How do you think they feel about the comment.

      You better than most should understand life is too short to go around with a chip on our shoulder, getting offended at the little things.
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      • Profile picture of the author discrat
        Originally Posted by Troy_Phillips View Post

        Congratulations on winning the fight but .... If you were tough enough to beat cancer .. I am sure you will be tough enough to get over the joke.

        Just think how many people who have worked their tails off to get a high end sports car have been offended by your comment. What about those that smell like bullshit and can not help it. How do you think they feel about the comment.

        You better than most should understand life is too short to go around with a chip on our shoulder, getting offended at the little things.

        Come on now lets be a little civil ! IMO, this is taking things a little too far
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        • Profile picture of the author Troy_Phillips
          Originally Posted by discrat View Post

          Come on now lets be a little civil ! IMO, this is taking things a little too far
          I was just pointing out that no matter what you say you will offend someone. Kent and I both said bullshit in our post so I guess we both offended you.

          I have spent almost two years getting to the point of being able to walk like a human again. I could use that experience and feel sorry for myself and take offense rather easily but .. I will be the first one to yell fat man down when I fall.

          Very few people know what I have been through so it would be childish of me to get offended when someone says something.
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    • Profile picture of the author RedShifted
      Originally Posted by Chris Kent View Post

      As a cancer survivor, I don't appreciate jokes about cancer, no matter how well intentioned.
      Get a grip.

      My own mother was sexually assaulted over a decade ago. And when people make jokes about rape, I keep my mouth shut. I definitely don't think rape is funny. But trying to change peoples behavoir is like trying to change the weather, its not happening.

      Moral of the story, shit happens. If you can't deal with it, thats what we have doctors for.

      -Red
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  • Profile picture of the author Anton543
    Its believable. You either need a great amount of traffic to sell advertising space to the likes of Google or be expert at buying up lot of well targeted but relatively cheap traffic through PPC campaigns and converting a good amount into affiliate sales. Most people are just not going to be skilled enough to do either in a big way, but like in any industry there are going to be a few big hitters.
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  • Profile picture of the author Troy_Phillips
    I have a friend in ATL (formally from Russia) that races pigeons as a hobby. Three months ago I built him an auction site. He charges a few bucks to list and 4% of sale. The first month his cut was over $60,000.

    The deal was .. he is in the top tier of the racing action. He was already in several clubs that race high end birds. All he had to do was tell a few members in each club and they tell a few friends. Some of these birds go for $70,000 to $100,000 each.

    While $20,000 or more a month is not the norm, it is very possible.
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  • Profile picture of the author Demetrius
    $20k stories are nothing but a way of attention grabbing. Most of these articles will lead towards a product which is not worth. While you can get more valuable information from here.
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  • I am now averaging around the 10K-15K mark. This has taken me a few years to build but I am certain the 20K mark is very much achievable.

    Building up an income takes effort and hard work but YES anyone can achieve it especially with the wealth of information available here on the WF
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  • Profile picture of the author Michael Nguyen
    I got a mate, who has another mate who's well into click bank and the MMO niche. The guy's sales letter said he used to live in a shack etc pure BS. Fact is you can make easy money selling the dream than actually using the product.
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  • 1. Get a group of people that want to solve a problem

    2. Craft an irresistible offer (in my opinion, the most important part)

    3. Get that offer in front of as many of those people as possible

    4. Buy a Ferrari :-)

    That is really all there is to it. Of course, the mind map will expand a lot on each point.

    When I started out in 03, I bought a package that consisted of a website loaded with 50 or so master resell rights products. There where products from Yanik Silver, Declan Dunn and other pioneers.

    I ran an ad on the Clickbank log in page advertising the site.

    It brought in $27,000 in 16 days.

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  • Profile picture of the author Caleb Spilchen
    The internet is rampant with bullcrap and lies
    on subjects of every kind... However, you can
    be skeptical all you want about "$20k a month"
    income claims, however THEY can be correct.

    I know a lady, a very nice lady, whose bringing
    in around $20k from Affiliate Marketing alone,
    who was fairly unknown (And just dipping her
    feet in) a few months ago... So it's not a LIE
    per se...

    I guess truth depends on the source.

    Caleb
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    • Profile picture of the author Magic Mike IM
      Many, many people are making much more than 20K per month... and many more than that are claiming to be making that kind of money and have probably never even earned 1K/month.

      The issue isn't whether or not there are widly successful people out there, the issue is how do you know which ones are real and which ones are B.S., especially given the fact that most people who are REALLY making BIG money, don't go on forums and proclaim it when they are actively working in the trenches. Certainly, someone making real money is not going to give away their full methods for $7... it just doesn't happen, in my experience. In fact, we guard our real working secrets like you wouldn't believe.

      I began a private "underground" group of internet marketers in the late 90's (about when this forum began), and I can tell you not one of us has ever divulged any of our "bread and butter" methods over the years... EVER... and typically we all make much above the 20K/month range.

      I too get annoyed with all of the "money claims", that when you see the methods, you know that the general marketer will not make the kind of money claimed. Exaggerated claims of income has become the way of the internet marketing world, along with photoshopped "proof".

      At nearly 60 years old, I'm now semi-retired and have been seriously thinking of "spilling the beans" (a little marketing lingo there) on a couple of techniques that actually work now that I'm not seriously competing anymore.
      In any event, the money is there, but it always takes work... and there is no "1 hour a day working from the beach" rich guy I've ever met in the 15 years I've been full-time in this business.
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    • Originally Posted by Caleb Spilchen View Post

      The internet is rampant with bullcrap and lies
      on subjects of every kind... However, you can
      be skeptical all you want about "$20k a month"
      income claims, however THEY can be correct.

      I know a lady, a very nice lady, whose bringing
      in around $20k from Affiliate Marketing alone,
      who was fairly unknown (And just dipping her
      feet in) a few months ago... So it's not a LIE
      per se...
      Reminds me of those before-and-after testimonials on diet product commercials. There's always a tiny disclaimer near the bottom of the screen that reads "Results not typical."
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      • Profile picture of the author Mike Hill
        Originally Posted by Hopeless Bromantic View Post

        Reminds me of those before-and-after testimonials on diet product commercials. There's always a tiny disclaimer near the bottom of the screen that reads "Results not typical."
        That disclaimer "Results not typical." is the law... FTC rules bro.
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  • Profile picture of the author David Keith
    If I were yall, I would give up on trying to make 20k a month online and just go get yourself a 20k a month job. That's much easier to do...lol

    20k a month puts you in pretty elite income earning company. Of course most people don't reach that level of success. If only it were that easy.

    But I can tell you it is very doable.
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  • Profile picture of the author Mike Hill
    Originally Posted by womendollars View Post

    I hate to be negative but I just don't believe the $20k a month stories any longer from an affiliate perspective. Most of the stories or shares are great and I hope they are true but given the struggle that so many have I just don't see how some can do so well in such a short amount of time. Many of the posts I see are about how I went from living in my friends basement to $20k+ a month. How does that happen in a matter of one month? Just insane imo!
    Well you're certainly not going to make any money with links pointing to your product the way you are (Buy Now button is dead)... and linking directly to the ClickBank affiliate link generator without knowing what the product is is NOT a good idea at all.

    Just from that observation it's apparent you are not making good decisions as a marketer. Maybe that's why you're not seeing a good return as you thought, hence your reason for posting this thread.

    The $20 Thousand Dollar Per Month Question:

    Scenario #1 (Affiliate Commission of $27)
    $20,000 / 30 = $666.67 per day
    $666.67 / $27 affiliate commission = 24.69 (25) sales per day

    Scenario #2 (Your Own Product of $47)
    $20,000 / 30 = $666.67 per day
    $47 - 75% commissions payed out = $11.75

    $666.67 / $11.75 = 56.74 (57) sales per day
    In this second scenario what you need to do is find 57 active affiliates and get them to sell just one copy of your product per day and you will reach $20,000 per month.

    Scenario #3 (Multiple Products You Own)
    Take scenario #2 and multiply your efforts twice. Have 2 products that get half as many sales and you still walk away with $20,000 per month. Then you'd only need 29 active subscribers each selling just one copy per day to reach $20,000 per month.

    It's all about how you look at the equation. $20,000 per month is very doable and more people should be able to reach this figure in my opinion, but a lot of people spend too much time "chasing" success rather than achieve it.
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  • Profile picture of the author 512jay
    Lies, all lies, I don't believe their claims at all, but I want to. I really really want to so I buy what they are pushing.

    I buy the up sale because that's a better deal right.

    I get their information and then I sit on it. I cover that information like a mother hen knowing profits will pop out any moment. I wait for it to percolate. I'm sure if I add enough fire to their strategies it will turn into a profit. I chalk it up to luck.

    Eventually I move on to another guru, system, or program. The new system was a rehash of the old system, and the original system was simply information i could have found out for free here on the warrior forum.

    Think about it at 20k a month that would put them in the top 2% of income earners in the US, that is a mighty place to be. People always lie about how much money they have either playing themselves up or down.

    Then my business mind comes out and I wonder how much did they have to invest to earn that money? Are they detailing that in their claims.

    My 2 cents...
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  • Profile picture of the author wackiin
    On here and the Wso's i bet most are bullhocky.
    But some of the guys/gals on here I am sure do 20k are more a month before i lost it all i had 20k adays so 20k months is not that hard to believe
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  • Profile picture of the author pepper81
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    I think the important issue here for people who are new to IM and want to be big earners is distinguishing the difference between the possibility for you to earn 20K a month and the probability of you earning 20K a month.

    Is it possible for you to earn this much? Yeah sure it is and there are people who do this consistently, but they are definitely not the majority. They are highly skilled individuals who have experience and know exactly what they are doing. Therefore the probability of you making 20K a month if you are new to IM is not good or likely.

    In my opinion, people who are trying to sell products by telling stories about how they went from being homeless to earning 20K/month by using this "One weird super secret trick that the Gurus won't tell you" are lame. If it's true then that's great, but I think it's the most played-out, deceptive and unoriginal selling proposition used in internet marketing.

    Although it's it hard to do on the internet, showing me any type of solid PROOF that this method actually works is 100 times better than your rags to riches story or your ability to come up with creative descriptions about what you are selling.
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  • Profile picture of the author Sarevok
    The good news is that there's no question as to whether or not people are making $20k per month with Internet marketing.

    The bad news is that you have to figure out how to do it yourself.

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    • Profile picture of the author Mr. Ken Russell
      How about $48,333.00 in one week? It's possible but the results are not typical. If I hadn't seen it with my own eyes I wouldn't believe it... just like if I haven't seen the results for myself.. I wouldn't believe it.. but once you get to the mark where you see what is possible.. then you begin to realize that these so called "stories" are actually real and do-able.
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      • Profile picture of the author pepper81
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        Originally Posted by Nio93 View Post

        How about $48,333.00 in one week? It's possible but the results are not typical. If I hadn't seen it with my own eyes I wouldn't believe it... just like if I haven't seen the results for myself.. I wouldn't believe it.. but once you get to the mark where you see what is possible.. then you begin to realize that these so called "stories" are actually real and do-able.
        Sure there are real success stories in IM but there are also a lot of 'make-believe' success stories designed to suck in gullible people and take their money. Internet marketers selling make money online products in particular are notoriously known for using deceptive tactics such as false income claims.
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  • Profile picture of the author ProAffiliate01
    I agree with what people say above. It is possible to make that kind of money, but it takes time, and it also requires some kind of monetary investment.
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  • Profile picture of the author Billy Rey
    definitely doable. Lots of people I know make that in a day but people like that never bother selling nor bragging about it online nor anywhere else. Sadly, a lot of the people that market it though are totally bogus.
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