Do you believe the $20k stories

Hi

I think the $20K a month comes from years of building your business, not a month after starting.

But 20K a month is less than 1K per day and that is not a tough thing to achieve in sales if you work at it consistently. In affiliate marketing that usually means building a responsive list.

Also, I haven't seen a single post from anyone claiming to have been living in someone's basement to $20K a month in a mater of a month so you should post a link when making wild claims.

I only see claims like that in sales letters, which should be taken with a cup of salt.

Mahlon

I see what the poster means. You see a lot of claims online about how Internet marketers rose from the ashes to dominate the industry.

One story that I can think of is that guy from the Empower Network. He claims to have been homeless, & now is super successful. Do I believe it? It's probably BS. I mean how does a homeless guy get his hands on a computer to even start Internet marketing anyway?

These stories play on the emotional part of the sales pitch and encourage the reader to say to themselves, "If they can do this in that situation, I should be able to do it too."

I believe it takes a while to build a business up to make $20k per month. Can you do this through affiliate links? I'm sure you can, but not while living in the back of a van!

Most of them are of course complete BS

But you'd be surprised at how easy it can be if you really get to work and start networking.

20k a month may not be that easy but 5k+ honestly isn't all that tough

Hey I'm not going to lie I've gotten lucky striking some pretty big campaigns early off.

But maybe it was just because of all the hard work I put in.

For the most part I agree with this statement:

20k a month is chump change to top affiliates. My highest record in affiliate marketing was 10K PER DAY. So 20k per month is easily achievable, but you won't learn how to get there buying WSO's thats for sure.

To be honest it's kind of a silly question.

Yes, I believe some of them and no, I don't believe others.

Also, you seem to have a very limiting mindset. This kind of mindset won't get you anywhere.

For example, we can all agree there are plumbers who make hundreds of thousands of dollars per year because they've built their business from the ground up and now employ tens or hundreds of people. I know this because I personally know at least two who do very well in the plumbing business.

Then we can all agree there are plumbers who make like $20K per year or so. Not surprising at all if there are plumbers out there making that.

Why can't the plumber making $20K per year make $200K per year? He can.

But if he thinks, "I just can't see how these other plumbers are making so much money when all I can make is less than $2,000 per month," he will never get anywhere.

So, who cares about the claims of others? Focus on improving yourself, improving your focus, improving your mindset, improving your knowledge of business and how to scale it up, etc.

On the other hand if you want to be bitter and jealous of the people who are making the kind of money you want to make and just say they're all full of BS to feel better about yourself (yes some of them are full of it, but there are plenty who aren't), then go ahead.

I believe if it make sense!

It is true or not. But yeah it gets me motivated and force me to sit and work hard to find success. Some people do it as they want to make a certain image of theirs and establish their credibility. But sometimes few stories are so lame anyone can tell that it can't happen. Nobody homeless with no knowledge, with not even a laptop (I read somewhere a gal she used to work in a cafe, she used her friend laptop) starts making a lot of money in just 1-2 months. That's ridiculous.. although I hope that would be true.

it is possible. here something to check out :
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_y6bKhyl-fE

$20k per month is not a huge amount in terms of gross, but in terms of net it is great. With that said there are affiliates doing that weekly, so its quite possible.

Is it likely that starting from nothing you will make $20k your first month, incredibly incredbly unlikely. BUT $3-6k in your first month, is very doable if your really put in the effort.

I feel the frustration in you post and I sympathize with you.

There are a lot of scams and less-than-truthful people out there. And there always will be. But there are also high-income people doing exactly what they say they're doing -- and teaching. The trick is to discern which is which.

I learned early on that it was MY job to find those who were the real deal and then learn from them. I long ago moved away from the "Make money online in your underwear overnight" hype. I buy only from REAL business people with REAL businesses.

If you want to make big money as an affiliate, I'm sure there are people doing it. You have to go out and find them. I chose not to make affiliate marketing my main business model, so I can't recommend the best people in the affiliate space. But I'm sure there are those here who know who they are.

However... Internet marketing is the same for everyone, whether you're an affiliate or selling your own products. So you don't have to look for someone selling/giving info specifically on making money as an affiliate. You just need to look for solid info on making money online.

Yes, $20K/month is very possible. I'm not making anywhere near that much yet, but my mentors are. It's only $160K/year and my mentors are multi-millionaires.

One of the biggest issues newbies have (and most everyone else, myself included) is not focusing on one business idea and working at it until it succeeds. We're GREAT at starting things, but not so great at seeing them through until they're making money. We get caught in the space between starting something and actually having success with it. It's WORK. Our fears and doubts get in the way. Then the newest bright shiny object comes along and we jump on it, leaving our first project unfinished.

Pick a niche, pick a product or service and pick a business model. Then stick with it until it succeeds.

If you don't know how to market online yet, or who to learn from, here are the ladies who have mentored me:

1. Ali Brown -- AliBrown.com
2. Carrie Wilkerson -- Barefoot-Executive.com
3. Sheri McConnell -- SmartWomenInstitute.com

Sheri McConnell has been my mentor since 2010. She's phenomenal and I'm so happy I chose to learn from her. I'm currently in a 5-month coaching program with her, but after this Nov., she'll no longer be doing business coaching. So you're out of luck there. But I assume she'll still be selling her info products for a while.

I highly recommend her Marketing 2.0 course which you can see here: Marketing 2.0 | Smart Women Institute

It's very comprehensive and at just $295, uber cheap. (The first "real" Internet marketing course I bought from Ali Brown was $1500. And I've paid Sheri $8K so far this year for her coaching. $295 is CHEAP.)

Also, check out Dan Kennedy's "No B.S." books at Amazon.com or your local bookstore.

A principle of success is "Find someone who's doing what you want to do, then learn from them and model them." Excellent advice! Go for it.

Hope this helps!
Michelle

This is the Internet. I win the Nigerian lottery whenever I open my email inbox and a new Audi A6 whenever I browse porn.

There's very little I believe online anymore.

Yes and No, it's more so something you have to keep an eye out for. There's plenty of guys out there including myself that make seven figures a year. But I've been doing this for close to 9 years now, overnight sucess like that doesn't happen. Sure anyone can make a portion of it, and if I had to put a cap on it, I'd say realistically making $3-4K/month is entirely possible with a few months of work, the right method, and the will to stay with it. Also $20K/M might seem like it's a lot but I can assure you, it's a fraction of what power players and myself are making. But don't get me wrong $240K/year is a solid income, anyone doing that amount should be proud of their hard work. One other note, is for guys who make it to make it to $20K/M, remember the money you make is up to you, your motivation and your work ethic, don't limit yourself to numbers.

Sure they make that amount selling to gullible people their finely written B.S.Even on here you hear about all the money you"could" make in X hours or X days but you read a thread month's later the posters don't say yeah Thanks I made what you stated I"could" make.So I believe to make this money they have one heck of a good writer for them or they're a good writer to get you to buy.

none of it is insane at all you just have to think like an accountant.
20 a week x 4 weeks = 80 bucks that type of thinking.

now initially I kept hearing the money is in the list, the money is in the list, the money is in the list, but I never believed that.

being a person who learned through face to face sales that if you just do what the master sales person says you will increase your sales, i listened and began to build a list.

i only had 5 people on my list and was sending them information on marketing and wso's. i noticed when i purchased wso's that many of the people would add me to their lists and send out the same wso offers daily. so, i figured somehow they are getting paid from these. that's when i did some internet research and discovered you could become an affiliate with warriorplus if the wso creator approved you.

after joining warriorplus i would apply and get affiliate links for the products I liked. now, instead of just giving information on wso's to my list of 5 people I would give them my affiliate link as well.

that's when I learned the money is in the list.
month 1 that list of 5 folks earned me 60 bucks through warriorplus
the next month I made 100 bucks with 10 folks on the list.
here's the accountant part;
if 10 people = 100 bucks then 10 times that amount = 100people or 1000 bucks
now imagine if you have 1000 or 10000 people on your lists?

The key thing I find with IM is find a good guru go over their stuff and don't just read it put it into practice. Sure everything they teach won't fit everyone, but you will find what you like and what you do best in the process and after some tweeking you can make 20k a month. I think what's best is to stick to the basics and you will never go wrong.

20k is easy

The thing in this game is
that point blank people
are not creative enough

Are not passionate about
marketing.

Got into marketing for all
the wrong reasons.

Then there lame attempts,
they start shunning of people
making small fees like $20k a month

Think like this:

Think totally out the box of something
that someone who hasn't got much
knowledge in what you could teach them
about and then find them and put them
in front of your offer.


The most simplest and easiest one

There are hundreds of different niches
that are getting on the Internet every week
using sites that look lame, made by some
marketer that wants to take advantage
of peoples lack of confidence in ever thinking
why people would come to there sites unless
it was flashy and looked like something out
of robocop

You just have to get at these people, continuing
the conversation going on in there head and then
make a complete and opposite change of direction
for them - telling them why and why what I'm saying
is important.

Once you get some one via that way, they will follow
what you advise.

The thing that's going to pay you and the best niche

Hosting, plus you do not have to wait 60 - 90+ days
you can talk with the hosting company and ask if i bring
you so and so sign ups a month i want to get paid per week
or whatever you choose

Find the people

Niches:

Artists
Musicians


Basically anyone who believes in themselves
and has a tonne of people not really believing
in them and they are all alone

Those kinds of people just need

Confidence > Advice > Plan Of ACTION

I would go on, but I know people do not
value free information - but if you cant get the
jist of this you need to get to more learning

Funny I just wrote a thread about integrity today http://www.warriorforum.com/main-int...integrity.html

its very doable ive been away over that before i had a brainfart and lost it all.
Never with wso's and such here I was a affiliate for various other things and also had about 10 of my own sites rocking

If you find something that makes 1k/5k etc twist the screws and do it times 100 and you will be over 20k per month

To me, it is all about perspective. Can I see myself making 20k a month doing this? Frankly no. Is it possible? Of course. I understand that other people are doing it. It doesn't make me a doubting Thomas or a bad marketer, but a different person that thinks differently. However, it isn't until I get that 3-6k a month that I can start to think of ways to get to next level of 5-8k a month. It is a progression or goal.

Although people have climbed the Himalayas, I can't imagine doing it until I start climbing.

Well it depends, most people wouldn't talk about how much money they make, but for first timers making that much I could see it happening. Heck, if I made 20k a month for the first time I would probably be on here talking about it. But, if I was an old timer making 100k a month for the last few years I probably wouldn't be on here

While going to $20k/month within one month may not be possible,achieving that figure in 6 months is very much possible if you put the required amount of work.

Internet is absolutely huge and making $20k/month via affiliate route is not very difficult if you know what you are doing.There are affiliates who make this much and more a day on a regular basis.

Who cares whether another person is making 20k a month anyway. If you find a strategy that's working for you then just focus on that.

Just because you are failing to produce those results doesn't mean they don't...

Also one thing to keep in mind when looking at screen shots of people making 20k+ per month is how much did they spend on advertising.

If they made $20,000 but spent $21,000 they lost $1000 but that doesn't show up in a clickbank screenshot, just the $20k does.

$20k/month is absolutely achievable....just not in your first month.

Hard work, hard work, hard work.

Never, ever quit.

Modify, but don't ever quit.

No reason you can't be there in a year.

They're building hype and authority with things like that. Of course, most of us know it's BS and it's only there to increase sales but $20k/Monthly really is achievable.

You might make $1/Monthly or you might make six digits monthly, there are people who do it out there but want to know their secret? They don't sit on forums telling people how rich they are and how much money they make. I believe some of us are guilty of this next part but, they don't spend hardly time on forums at all, they're constantly working on their business and tweaking things for better results.

it is almost impossible when perceived to be impossible and the truth is that only 7% claiming testimonials are real. Been there done that, and i will conclude to say i have earned over that in years though and not just one 72 hours magic testimony, though possible but in very rare programs that require dedication and the full secrets implemented.

People will say anything they want to online...just like they will on the phone. I don't doubt that there is people making 20k+ online. I think that it would take more than a month for an average person online. There is probably only a few that ever went from broke to rich in just a month.

I believe these claims but I also believe that nothing like this happens overnight.

To whoever above said a homeless guy can't get his hands on a laptop: there are multiple at the local library who have laptops that aren't too shabby. You'd be amazed what they bring in panhandling (until they get caught, OCSD looks down on the practice in Orlando).

Now, only one of those guys (that I know of) is trying IM and he's failing miserably because he's putting his dreams into a $497 FB program promising 10k per month (all she teaches is 1. Write free report 2. Make fan page 3. Add opt in). So the whole homeless to rich in a month dream looks less than feasible from here.

Don't feel too bad for the guy though, I watched him put in a bogus refund request to get the money back while assuring me he only did it about "once a year".

There are true "rags to riches" stories, not all in IM. Here are a few Stephen Pierce, Dina Dove, Mike Lamb.

Some are even "rags to riches" lose everything again and then back to riches.

As for a homeless person getting access to a computer....Stephen got a job with a guy as a janitor and permission to sleep on the floor at night and use his computer.

Dina lived in an abandoned home (I think of a family member, don't quite remember details) and her sister let her come over to use her computer.

A friend of mine would go to the library and use the computer, there.

That is the sad thing about IM, is there is so much untruth it is hard to tell when it is really the truth.

However, most of these type stories, these people worked really long and hard and it wasn't in just a few months.

I've lucked out on some things and made some big bucks up front in just a few days but it did take some months to build it up to some consistency.

The best "short cut" in my opinion is to not look for "short cuts" and just stick with the basics of running a good service business or selling a great product (either your own or as an affiliate).

Find a system that works for you and stick to it.

Stop jumping from one thing to another looking for a quick buck.

If you had a lot of money to spend and access to somebody with experience to show you exactly what to do, you MIGHT be able to get to $20,000 in a month.

But, you would have to spend a few grand on traffic to get the ball rolling.

Most of the rags to riches stories are complete b/s, but occasionally you can come across a superstar who just "gets it" and is able to build a successful online business in a relatively short period of time.

Lee McIntyre would be an example of this.

It doesn't. Plain and simple. But it is an effective "strategem" that scammers will use until the well dries up.

I'll throw in my 2c here. After 5 years of casually blogging on a subject I love I've netted around $70,000. That's five years of...

Adsense
ebay (epn)
amazon

I never created one of those list things....
I never pressured anyone to buy anything
I created 2-3 posts/week on a blog that were anywhere from 100-1000+ words

If I have to attribute my "success" to anything it would be forming a crazy fanbase via youtube.

It's not a ton of money but it paid for vacations, cars and some awesome memories.

Would I ever want go full time IM/blogging? No. The internet changes every minute of the day, it's just to volatile to depend on.

I believe you can make $20K a month, but no way is somebody pulling that after one month. I would say more like 2-5 years is more realistic.

the only thing that matters is can you make 20k a month doing the same thing and the answer to that question should determine the result, 99.999 percent of the time people who buy into this kind of program fail to achieve one dime of profit.

Its sad and it is likely illegal but what can you do except try to warn people that are new to marketing and do not realize that these "Pie in the Sky promises" are not real they are designed to separate marketers who are new from their money period.

The yellow brick road leads only to one place.

Great question. Let me begin by saying that you create your own reality. Most stories are just created to create an image that it's very easy to make huge amount of money online and that they have the secret.

20k a month as an affiliate means you have to put alot of energy and work to it. It doesn't happen just overnight. Not even in 1 month unless you have 5k to 10k to invest in ads or you have a team of people who work for you and build a huge list for you that when you sendout an email most people buy.

Hmm let's not forget that you also need to create a relationship with the people on your list if order to sell to them.

20k a month ? My question is , which strategy do you think will work for you?
Do you sell membership subscribtions or one time payment products.

My question to is, why would you botter about what others are saying.Listen, even if you would make 5k in just 30 or even 60 day's and grow your income each month.

PM me if you have any question, If I can help you with your questions I would love to have your feedback. NO PRODUCTS WILL BE SOLD.

Amin

its true my friend just need an idea and a system

I wouldn't believe them either.

But, are some doing it? Yes they are.

I know that 20k a month is definitely possible, but I would say most people are not able to achieve that kind of success in 1 month. But I have noticed that once you start making some consistant money online it's really easy to scale that up and make a lot of money.

Well, I have seen a lot.. Tried some. But no success with these programs. I am motivated and inspired to make a good amount of money from online but you have to work really hard for that -- like 24/7. I guess these stories always have a catch and most of them are false testimonies.

I go to the WSO section often. I read tons and tons of threads and posts. I don't think I've ever read one single post where a customer of a hyped up wso did the crazy numbers that were promised, NOT ONE. It's the possibility that keeps people going and gives them hope.

If you had a large advertising budget, say $5K and you setup a really good sales funnel, I don't see why you couldn't get to $20K in the first month right off the bat. Is it likely? Nope! Possible? Yes!

regarding affiliate marketing combined with the imo most often used traffic driving method seo, it is not really possible to get to 20k+ a month from zero (except if you find a totally untapped niche with a lot of demand which should be quiet impossible these days).
even if you get to one 20k+ month with social media, you still need a lot of twitter followers or facebook fans which i wont call "from zero".
so nope, imo it is not possible though it is possible in a matter of an year or 9 months maybe.

I sure wish I could make $20,000 every month. I've been working at building my internet marketing business for a very long time. There's a lot of frustration. There's a lot of work. I believe some people have succeeded in a very short time to make a large monthly income. I also believe there are many, many, many more people who don't have much to show after some time. The most important part of success is your attitude. believe it can be done. Your chances are better that way!

NO...I just get the strong feeling that 99.99% of this is all lies...made to fool people into thinking that it is possible to make so much money online. But until and unless I come across someone who has made that kind of money, I would rather feel safer in my own beliefs.

Best wishes and regards.

Ric

You will not make $20k a month starting out. However, after years of work, you might hit $20k.. of course there are people who are making that much money (or even more!), but it's not a overnight recipe.

For me personally, I couldn't care less about whether or not the creator of a product went from being dead broke to wiping his bum with $100 bills. A rags to riches story is always nice to hear but I think when stories like this are being told for the purpose of trying to sell you something you should really just take it with a grain of salt.

Results and feasibility are the only things that matter when i'm deciding whether or not to purchase something. The personal life history of the person who created the product is totally irrelevant. Someone telling me they went from living on the streets to living in a mansion with this 'secret money making strategy' could be telling me the truth, but this wouldn't be the deciding factor that would make me want to buy his product.

If someone told me straight up they were selling me their 'secret money making strategy' just so they could stuff their pockets full of cash and buy themselves a second yacht I couldn't care less. I would happily hand over my cash if it was a strategy that I could use to stuff my own pockets as well.

Watch out for the people in this thread making those claims because chances are, they have something to sell you.

Sure I believe them. Anything is possible and if someone can make a small amount of money a month, they should be able to put more work in, scale it up and keep on improving to earn more.

I doubt that this happens within a month. It's more likely that their stories are closer to a year, to build a business as big as $20k+ / month.

I believe that those who are making $20k prefer to remain unknown.

I believe them. An abundance mindset allows you to see things that other people think are impossible. You need to believe it before you see it. If you sell one pair of shoes via Amazon, what is stopping you from selling 10,000? If you can find amazing traffic sources and know how to convert that traffic into sales, you can make as much as you want.

I hesitate to say this, but here's the truth. Your mind assumes that you know everything there is to know about internet marketing. That you have exhausted all the options. It is playing tricks on you. Don't worry, everyone experiences the same thing. The successful people just push through it. Don't let it hold them back. You don't know what you don't know. Meaning, there is so much more you need to learn to make 20K per month. You cannot believe it because you have the false assumption that you know more about online marketing than you think you do. (not trying to be rude, just honest) Could it be that you just know the tip of the iceberg and need to learn way more?

yes I believe it because I have 1. done it myself and 2. helped others do it as well. It of course took more than 5 clicks of a mouse, but when you build a real business based off of timeless business and marketing principles 20k a month is just another jumping off point.

I'm cringing hard at all these '20k is easy'

lol Do you guys even think before you post?

Well, I actually used to think like that. Until I started making that much myself. One of the reasons you don't believe that is because there are secrets about making money online that you don't know and that no one wants you to know. Not because they're greedy or selfish but because if everyone would use them, that would built a huge competition and possibly damage their income.

Not a fact,just an opinion. I'm looking at it from the perspective of a guy I used to be, and who didn't know a thing about making money online.

1 month from rag's to riches is a total pipe dream in my honest opinion!, I mean u gotta have a massive list & an extremely good rep!, I was on a webinar last week just too see what this person had to say!, we all know his name, but I'm not here to smear anyone!, however it was a new system, yeah ok!, but anyway's he was saying how easy it was too make 30K a month using his system & it had a 30 day MBG, ok about that with all the upsell's & so forth made me run!, maybe it might work, but are u willing to risk a nice chunk of change on a maybe?, the bottom line is this, I could not see getting your ROI back in 30 day's!, like I said I was just looking!, I really dont believe this can happen!, do you?, please let me know!

Why don' you believe that making $20k from IM is very possible ?
Whether it is true and just a fairytale, indeed you have to believe that is is VERY possible.

What I want to emphasis for this, is your mind set. Just because there are some people telling a lie they could become rich from being tramp in the beginning, doesn't mean that there are not people who really could accomplish this.

From out there, many people make money even more than $20K. But, they didn't achieve this in one night. There are some processes need to be passed through. There are some hardworking need to be done.

If you have a mindset that making $20K is not possible, then how hard you try, I am sure you will never get the same achievement as the ones who are already successful.

I think many of these stories are BS as well and a lot of fabricated sob stories are simply to get you to BUY whatever it is they're selling. It's to play on your emotions.

I personally know of people who are making x times than that and its real. I myself didn't believed at first. What I see a common feature among most of the individuals who are making such figures is that they don't even whisper about what they are making. But I think pondering on whether its true or not is a waste of time. Get working on ur project like nothing else existed each day and within no time things would start to look amazingly positive.

IMHO, I don't care if they really earn $20K per month or not. What I just really care for is how they do it. In most cases, if not always, these people won't give out their magic beans. Nevertheless, there are Internet Marketers who teach people on how to be successful as they are, and they do it in kind.

$20k p/m is definitely big money, and hard achievable. But yeah, it is possible.

Those guys, who run products in Clickbank, who spend a lot for advertising... They make much more than 20k$ per month + list growing speed is fast too.

If your mind has this thing ( it is not possible, these stories are bullshit ) why just don't stop working on this and go back to 9-5 job?

I think $20k per month is totally possible. But it requires a lot of action, more than few hands ( for sure. ), good motivation, clear mind and yeah... investment money. just my 2 cents.

Some true, some false.

I'm sure there are tons of internet marketing stories just like the 20k a month ones, that are actually true, you just have to find them.

Hi,

If you hit the right product at the right time, 20k a month is on the low side.

My first big hit did that much in a few days and continued that way for longer
than I can remember.

I've had many other products do similar things.

Now, I ALSO spent 10 years or longer pre Internet and pre AOL trying to
learn copywriting and running classified ads etc. Today you can learn
those things that took me years to learn in months.

Having said that MOST of the fast success stories I know fall into the
old Dan Kennedy expression: "I was an overnight success after
trying for 20 years"

Except I see more commonly people doing it after 2 to 5 years of
effort.

When I met Fladlien, he wasn't doing that much. But it only took
him I think 1 year to hit that figure.

Same with Lee McIntyre who I've known a long time.

David Wood had a long history in mlm and had been successful
prior to living on the beach in a van.

John Alanis is a friend who succeeded very quickly BUT had
ran a prior direct marketing business and also worked at
Group M with Kimble.

Daegan Smith mucked around a few years before figuring it
out. Ditto with his student Matt Lloyd.

20k though isn't a great deal of money in a month. Take
out taxes, servers, an employee or two. My break even
for many years was around 25k to 30k a month.

NONE of the above means diddly to YOU personally.
You may never make it. You may make it overnight.
You may muck around a year or longer.

Just like ANY business in the world. It's no different.

Best wishes,

Marlon

I made 16,100 USD in one month with affiliate programs and about 12,000 a month on average months. That was until the Google Panda update. Sales came from 90% organic traffic and about 10% from free advertising traffic. That was without even trying... well, kinda of.

Post panda, my tiny (300 page) website still manages to bring in enough cash to pay all my bills and some.

Mind you my only expenditure was domain hosting. So profits were basically 100%. I hit the 16,000 a month mark a year into building my site but was profiting within just a couple weeks of going live. This was also with only about five low PageRank backlinks pointing to my site... my site had a PageRank of zero.

I would say 100K a month is realistic in one years time with a staff of three dedicated people.

This is part of the problem right here

Whether you believe something or not, doesn't mean it doesn't happen.

A good idea, coupled with good marketing can easily make someone well over $20k in a month... possibly every month.

I'm not saying it's easy, it isn't - you have to know what you are doing, or be extremely lucky if you don't. But there are hundreds of people you don't hear about, who are just getting on and doing it.

The ones trying to sell you products, using their "success stories" as part of their pitch - they're not usually the ones to watch...

It's the guys that you hear about every now and then in the newspapers that have turned their idea into a profitable business - they're the ones that inspire me.

That word - BUSINESS - that's the key to making all this work.

When we think about making money, we think about "now now now" - which ultimately seems to be what your post is leaning towards. When we think about business, it's more about putting the things in place to grow your income, consistently for the long term. That's where I'm putting my eggs, and I'm not doing too bad for myself

Yeah, I believe it. Because $20k is peanuts in this industry.
It's only hard for a lot of people because they don't know how.

I always thought the standard was $30k?

I only believe these stories when the person telling them has NO way to benefit from the story (or no obvious benefit which tells me they're good at selling). And that tends to be rare on here, but it still happens.

I've talked about my story before many times. I don't make even half of $20,000/month, but I do better than I've done my entire life, and for me, thats huge.

Only time I tell me story, is when I see newbies who have busted their ass and are ready to give up. I use to see this one guy on here, where in every post he made, he had to mention that he made millions and use to work for the oil industries. And of course, right in his sig was a link on how to make money. Its those people who I know are FOS. Because he sucked at selling. If you suck at selling, logic tells me you're not making any money.

Have you been to a doctor about that? Strong smells from out of the blue can be a sign of a brain tumor ... or the need for a Bottle of BEANO.

Its believable. You either need a great amount of traffic to sell advertising space to the likes of Google or be expert at buying up lot of well targeted but relatively cheap traffic through PPC campaigns and converting a good amount into affiliate sales. Most people are just not going to be skilled enough to do either in a big way, but like in any industry there are going to be a few big hitters.

I have a friend in ATL (formally from Russia) that races pigeons as a hobby. Three months ago I built him an auction site. He charges a few bucks to list and 4% of sale. The first month his cut was over $60,000.

The deal was .. he is in the top tier of the racing action. He was already in several clubs that race high end birds. All he had to do was tell a few members in each club and they tell a few friends. Some of these birds go for $70,000 to $100,000 each.

While $20,000 or more a month is not the norm, it is very possible.

$20k stories are nothing but a way of attention grabbing. Most of these articles will lead towards a product which is not worth. While you can get more valuable information from here.

I am now averaging around the 10K-15K mark. This has taken me a few years to build but I am certain the 20K mark is very much achievable.

Building up an income takes effort and hard work but YES anyone can achieve it especially with the wealth of information available here on the WF

I got a mate, who has another mate who's well into click bank and the MMO niche. The guy's sales letter said he used to live in a shack etc pure BS. Fact is you can make easy money selling the dream than actually using the product.

1. Get a group of people that want to solve a problem

2. Craft an irresistible offer (in my opinion, the most important part)

3. Get that offer in front of as many of those people as possible

4. Buy a Ferrari :-)

That is really all there is to it. Of course, the mind map will expand a lot on each point.

When I started out in 03, I bought a package that consisted of a website loaded with 50 or so master resell rights products. There where products from Yanik Silver, Declan Dunn and other pioneers.

I ran an ad on the Clickbank log in page advertising the site.

It brought in $27,000 in 16 days.

Sam

The internet is rampant with bullcrap and lies
on subjects of every kind... However, you can
be skeptical all you want about "$20k a month"
income claims, however THEY can be correct.

I know a lady, a very nice lady, whose bringing
in around $20k from Affiliate Marketing alone,
who was fairly unknown (And just dipping her
feet in) a few months ago... So it's not a LIE
per se...

I guess truth depends on the source.

Caleb

If I were yall, I would give up on trying to make 20k a month online and just go get yourself a 20k a month job. That's much easier to do...lol

20k a month puts you in pretty elite income earning company. Of course most people don't reach that level of success. If only it were that easy.

But I can tell you it is very doable.

Well you're certainly not going to make any money with links pointing to your product the way you are (Buy Now button is dead)... and linking directly to the ClickBank affiliate link generator without knowing what the product is is NOT a good idea at all.

Just from that observation it's apparent you are not making good decisions as a marketer. Maybe that's why you're not seeing a good return as you thought, hence your reason for posting this thread.

The $20 Thousand Dollar Per Month Question:

Scenario #1 (Affiliate Commission of $27)

$20,000 / 30 = $666.67 per day
$666.67 / $27 affiliate commission = 24.69 (25) sales per day

Scenario #2 (Your Own Product of $47)

$20,000 / 30 = $666.67 per day
$47 - 75% commissions payed out = $11.75

$666.67 / $11.75 = 56.74 (57) sales per day

In this second scenario what you need to do is find 57 active affiliates and get them to sell just one copy of your product per day and you will reach $20,000 per month.

Scenario #3 (Multiple Products You Own)

Take scenario #2 and multiply your efforts twice. Have 2 products that get half as many sales and you still walk away with $20,000 per month. Then you'd only need 29 active subscribers each selling just one copy per day to reach $20,000 per month.

It's all about how you look at the equation. $20,000 per month is very doable and more people should be able to reach this figure in my opinion, but a lot of people spend too much time "chasing" success rather than achieve it.

Lies, all lies, I don't believe their claims at all, but I want to. I really really want to so I buy what they are pushing.

I buy the up sale because that's a better deal right.

I get their information and then I sit on it. I cover that information like a mother hen knowing profits will pop out any moment. I wait for it to percolate. I'm sure if I add enough fire to their strategies it will turn into a profit. I chalk it up to luck.

Eventually I move on to another guru, system, or program. The new system was a rehash of the old system, and the original system was simply information i could have found out for free here on the warrior forum.

Think about it at 20k a month that would put them in the top 2% of income earners in the US, that is a mighty place to be. People always lie about how much money they have either playing themselves up or down.

Then my business mind comes out and I wonder how much did they have to invest to earn that money? Are they detailing that in their claims.

My 2 cents...

On here and the Wso's i bet most are bullhocky.
But some of the guys/gals on here I am sure do 20k are more a month before i lost it all i had 20k adays so 20k months is not that hard to believe

I think the important issue here for people who are new to IM and want to be big earners is distinguishing the difference between the possibility for you to earn 20K a month and the probability of you earning 20K a month.

Is it possible for you to earn this much? Yeah sure it is and there are people who do this consistently, but they are definitely not the majority. They are highly skilled individuals who have experience and know exactly what they are doing. Therefore the probability of you making 20K a month if you are new to IM is not good or likely.

In my opinion, people who are trying to sell products by telling stories about how they went from being homeless to earning 20K/month by using this "One weird super secret trick that the Gurus won't tell you" are lame. If it's true then that's great, but I think it's the most played-out, deceptive and unoriginal selling proposition used in internet marketing.

Although it's it hard to do on the internet, showing me any type of solid PROOF that this method actually works is 100 times better than your rags to riches story or your ability to come up with creative descriptions about what you are selling.

The good news is that there's no question as to whether or not people are making $20k per month with Internet marketing.

The bad news is that you have to figure out how to do it yourself.

I agree with what people say above. It is possible to make that kind of money, but it takes time, and it also requires some kind of monetary investment.

definitely doable. Lots of people I know make that in a day but people like that never bother selling nor bragging about it online nor anywhere else. Sadly, a lot of the people that market it though are totally bogus.