Should someone police these wso

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Wishful thinking only, maybe it would be better that wso be categorized or submitted to a certain committee before releasing it for sale.

And after reviewing each wso , maybe a committee could give it a rating or ranking, unlike what is happening now super glossy sales page, over inflated testimonials, same with income. If a wso is approved , meaning it is thouroughly screened by the committee. And ofcourse this committee would be controlled by warrior forum admin.

In this way buyers would also be protected and it eould greatly enhance warrior forum's image.Sellers could also charge more Its a win win situation for all ,

What do you think?
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  • Profile picture of the author Troy_Phillips
    I think, not only would that be a huge task for a committee, it would also make the WF responsible for every program or product they approved.

    Member moderation is a great thing when everyone participates.
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  • Profile picture of the author J Bold
    Nope.

    The Warrior Forum knows exactly what it's doing under the advice of lawyers. If they review each WSO I believe that makes them somehow possibly liable for the contents of each WSO, which they absolutely don't want to be.

    People need to understand that they are selling advertising space, only. They do have guidelines as any advertising platform does, but they can't be held responsible for dodgy sellers. Just like a TV station is not responsible for the content of the infomercials they show on their channels.
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  • Profile picture of the author Thomas W
    it's like anything else you buy.. Buyer Beware,

    but I guess your looking for something like a Lemon Law when buying a used car
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  • Profile picture of the author sbucciarel
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    Is there a committee to review Walmart merchandise to protect people from cheap, crappy goods. No.

    Let's see. How much would the committee members make per hour? Are there benefits? No? Then who did you have in mind to do this for free?

    All this has been discussed over and over. The system in place works fine. It's a "big boy" (and girl) market. Buyer's beware as in real life. There is ample opportunity for unhappy buyers to voice their opinion in the thread and if there is a refund policy, if you don't like the product get a refund.

    Adults don't need people holding their hands when they go shopping.
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    • Profile picture of the author admin
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      Originally Posted by sbucciarel View Post

      Is there a committee to review Walmart merchandise to protect people from cheap, crappy goods. No.

      Let's see. How much would the committee members make per hour? Are there benefits? No? Then who did you have in mind to do this for free?

      All this has been discussed over and over. The system in place works fine. It's a "big boy" (and girl) market. Buyer's beware as in real life. There is ample opportunity for unhappy buyers to voice their opinion in the thread and if there is a refund policy, if you don't like the product get a refund.

      Adults don't need people holding their hands when they go shopping.

      Thank God somebody finally said it...

      Some of the people that hate this forum are dumb enough to think that the vast majority of mankind are so irrevocably ignorant that they have to be protected from spending their children's last bit of money for food.
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      • No harm in asking if it can be done.

        yes as in life, we are ultimately liable to the choices we make.
        unfortunately for us newbies we can easily fall prey to some crappy wso.

        no need to mention them.

        anyway thanks for the replies and i have no intention of offending someone here.
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        • Profile picture of the author travlinguy
          Originally Posted by christophergrapes View Post

          No harm in asking if it can be done.

          yes as in life, we are ultimately liable to the choices we make.
          unfortunately for us newbies we can easily fall prey to some crappy wso.

          no need to mention them.

          anyway thanks for the replies and i have no intention of offending someone here.
          Fall prey? Most have money back guarantees.
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          • Profile picture of the author Paul Myers
            Fall prey? Most have money back guarantees.
            Piffle.

            Don't you know what those comments are about after all this time? If someone can't make the technique work, or doesn't have the tech chops to install the product, or bought something they already knew because they weren't paying attention...

            They are victims, dammit! And someone should be punished for their disappointment!

            Grok?


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            • Profile picture of the author Paul Myers
              I actually read in one of the threads under a WSO that a negative review can get you kicked out.
              Not an accurate statement. Personally attacking a seller can get you banned for a while, but some sellers have gotten bans for attacking prospects and customers, too. If you actually bought the product and stick to reviewing the product, you're on very safe ground.

              If you see anyone in this forum claiming that an honest review that's focused on the product will get you kicked out, please point me to the post. I will correct them. If a seller says that, I will correct them more severely.

              If a seller says anything like that in a PM, report the PM to the mods. Use the little red triangle to the upper right of the message screen, so we know we're getting the full and unedited text.

              We have pulled WSOs and banned sellers for that kind of threat.

              Now, if they say something like "You are not allowed to keep posting the same thing over and over. Stop or the mods are likely to ban you" ... Take their advice. That's true. Obsessive arguing is a bad idea.

              But then, obsession is a bad idea in most cases.


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    • Profile picture of the author Perrymma
      Originally Posted by sbucciarel View Post

      Is there a committee to review Walmart merchandise to protect people from cheap, crappy goods. No.

      Let's see. How much would the committee members make per hour? Are there benefits? No? Then who did you have in mind to do this for free?

      All this has been discussed over and over. The system in place works fine. It's a "big boy" (and girl) market. Buyer's beware as in real life. There is ample opportunity for unhappy buyers to voice their opinion in the thread and if there is a refund policy, if you don't like the product get a refund.

      Adults don't need people holding their hands when they go shopping.
      Walmart also wouldnt buy from the same sellers if a product kept failing. Companies actually propose a product to walmart before it hits shelves.
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      • Profile picture of the author sbucciarel
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        Originally Posted by Perrymma View Post

        Walmart also wouldnt buy from the same sellers if a product kept failing. Companies actually propose a product to walmart before it hits shelves.
        And you shouldn't buy from the same sellers if their products keep failing... and what a fine job Walmart does of vetting those "proposed" products. Walmart is cheap. It ain't necessarily known for quality.
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  • Profile picture of the author TheSalesBooster
    The initial setup works fine. The real problem comes with people who glorify their reviews...

    I notice that people seem afraid to leave negative feedback for a product because they think they will come across as someone trying to start problems...

    The whole section has basically turned into a "you scratch my back, and ill scratch yours". It's hard to tell the difference between a real review, and someone just posting because they know the person.

    It's hard to tell whats real...


    I've bought some WSO's in the past just to see what these guru's with all these reviews were really teaching. Most of that stuff is rehashed content you can find for free on any forum!

    Yet there are people praising these products like it's the greatest product ever made!

    There needs to be some kind of awakening in that section. Here's my suggestion...

    Add an anonymous poll to every thread where people who bought the product are allowed to rate the product.

    I know there are a lot of people on here who won't speak up, because of the backlash they will get from the big guru circle jerks on this forum.

    Adding a system like this will at least give the normal people who don't want to put their name out there, a way to express their opinion about the product anonymously.
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    • Profile picture of the author Paul Myers
      Wishful thinking only, maybe it would be better that wso be categorized or submitted to a certain committee before releasing it for sale.
      And how does one get a group together that is comprehensive enough to properly judge any and all aspects of online business, including the newer areas, and is willing to spend the time reviewing the many products (often containing multiple hours of video) every day?
      Add an anonymous poll to every thread where people who bought the product are allowed to rate the product.
      Assuming the tech can be handled without the forum becoming a part of the transaction between buyer and seller, or having access to customer databases, there's still the problem of gaming the system.

      Stars are also a really bad way to rate products.


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    • Profile picture of the author Paul Myers
      Why do you assume a WF committee would look out for your best interests any more than anyone else? If anything, you could argue that they would have less incentive to do so.
      And even if it were run with complete impartiality, there would be no convincing anyone who decided it was a tool of management. Confirmation bias is an incredibly persistent thing.

      It's like the constant drone about "rehashed crap." Well, if you knew enough to honestly claim you had seen it before, you likely either bought without asking questions or just hoped for something that wasn't promised.

      If the seller promised something that wasn't there, the solution is easy. Refund the order and report the misrepresentation to the mods.

      Then there's the "It's basic stuff" argument. Hello-o... It's usually priced at basic stuff levels, too.

      My answer to one fellow I was speaking with about that recently might be useful for people to consider: If I need to do a project, I can choose among a broad range of tools. I prefer Klein and Mac, when they're available. Does that mean I should try and prevent someone else from buying the "Use once and discard" stuff you can get in the clearance aisle at Walmart?

      Our primary concerns are pretty simple: Does the ad accurately represent the delivered product, and does the seller honor their stated refund policies, if any? We rely on the members for that information.

      My personal advice on income claims: Ignore them. Always. Even when they're true, they're irrelevant. You won't get the same results unless you have the same skills and reach and timing and work ethic.

      On income promises: Don't buy any product that makes them.

      On reviews: Only pay attention to them if the person giving them has credibility in your mind, and then only if they are specific about the good and bad qualities of the product.

      In short: Apply common sense.


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      • Profile picture of the author DZainein
        Originally Posted by Paul Myers View Post

        If the seller promised something that wasn't there, the solution is easy. Refund the order and report the misrepresentation to the mods.Paul
        This should nail it to a larger extent.
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  • Profile picture of the author Greedy
    The whole section has basically turned into a "you scratch my back, and ill scratch yours". It's hard to tell the difference between a real review, and someone just posting because they know the person.
    This is a big turn off for me.

    The reviews seem so inflated.
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    • Profile picture of the author Nick Walsh
      Yes i agree the reviews are in a lot of cases you scratch my back and ... you get cynical after a while especially if they say they earn something ending with a 7 lol
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  • Profile picture of the author Black Hat Cat
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    Originally Posted by christophergrapes View Post

    Wishful thinking only, maybe it would be better that wso be categorized or submitted to a certain committee before releasing it for sale.

    And after reviewing each wso , maybe a committee could give it a rating or ranking, unlike what is happening now super glossy sales page, over inflated testimonials, same with income. If a wso is approved , meaning it is thouroughly screened by the committee. And ofcourse this committee would be controlled by warrior forum admin.

    In this way buyers would also be protected and it eould greatly enhance warrior forum's image.Sellers could also charge more Its a win win situation for all ,

    What do you think?
    Why do you assume a WF committee would look out for your best interests any more than anyone else? If anything, you could argue that they would have less incentive to do so.
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    • Profile picture of the author shane_k
      Originally Posted by Black Hat Cat View Post

      Why do you assume a WF committee would look out for your best interests any more than anyone else? If anything, you could argue that they would have less incentive to do so.
      This is what I was going to say, and even if we did have a committee that was impartial, no matter how truthful that actually was, we would still be here in 1 year, or 2 years having the same discussion, but it would be along the lines of how the committee is biased towards sellers and it is some big conspiracy involving the government, big corporations, and the WF mods, lol.

      Having a committee sounds nice but you will still have the same people complaining but just in a different way.


      The mods understand that you aren't going to be able to please everyone.
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  • Profile picture of the author birdie28a
    Originally Posted by Ken_Caudill View Post

    Committee my ass.
    LOL I just had to laugh when I read that.
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  • Profile picture of the author feral
    Awwww I guess it WAS wishful thinking Christopher - no harm in dreaming. I do know what you mean. I've been stung a few times and can probably say I've only bought one WSO so far that was truly worthwhile & actually lived up to it's sales pitch. But I'm not game to post a negative review, just don't feel comfortable doing that here. I actually read in one of the threads under a WSO that a negative review can get you kicked out. I'm sure it was an exaggeration but that sort of feeling - that you will be judged by others here more powerful than you if you post something unflattering - has it's effect.
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  • Profile picture of the author meta-blogger
    Totally agree with everything said so far. Besides the selling is being done right on a live forum with real feedback. If someone you respect recommends a shoody wso then stop listening to them. Or simply wait a few days and read all the feedback. It would be nice if they came back and showed a few case studies though. Really you have to decide for yourself if an offer is something you really need and also if it seems to good to be true. Personally i avoid vague offers and sellers who don't seem to be interested in answering clarifying questions asked by potential buyers.
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  • Profile picture of the author travlinguy
    Here's a suggestion for all the people feeling so victimized by WSOs. Stay out of that forum and don't buy them. Simple, huh?
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  • Profile picture of the author Randall Magwood
    They dont need to be policed. It's a natural way of selling and getting your message out there. The same holds true when a product is being sold on a regular website.
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  • Profile picture of the author cbader
    Originally Posted by christophergrapes View Post

    Wishful thinking only, maybe it would be better that wso be categorized or submitted to a certain committee before releasing it for sale.

    And after reviewing each wso , maybe a committee could give it a rating or ranking, unlike what is happening now super glossy sales page, over inflated testimonials, same with income. If a wso is approved , meaning it is thouroughly screened by the committee. And ofcourse this committee would be controlled by warrior forum admin.

    In this way buyers would also be protected and it eould greatly enhance warrior forum's image.Sellers could also charge more Its a win win situation for all ,

    What do you think?
    Then we'd have some corrupt committee to worry about. Llearn the lesson, and give truthful advice and recommendations to others. Walk away from the room when you first want to buy the product, think about if it's something that actually fits with what you are trying to accomplish and if it would really help or not. If it doesn't, then wait until another time to check it out.

    Some just advertise their product wrong so I believe they are actually somthing else (or I just misunderstood), on these I have asked for my money back and everytime I got a polite professional response AND my money back.
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    • Some negative replies its ok,

      we are here to learn and perfect our system.

      Their are some members here that doubt the power of this warriorforum,

      Think google, the clout that they cast is undeniably immense, can we say google is corrupt? we abide by the system they create. true others find ways around them.

      imagine warrrior forum as the authority on this internet marketing thing. i mean its a huge task but cmon guys search google on topic about internet marketing for sure warriorforum would be on top.

      its just a way of taking warrior forum to the next level.

      True i have been burned by wso before, but they (wso) should in no way state that their offering is newbie friendly, so easy to implement etc..

      just my two cents and its still wishful thinking
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      • Profile picture of the author tryinhere
        Originally Posted by christophergrapes View Post


        just my two cents and its still wishful thinking
        Just worry about what you can control and thats your choice to buy or not buy a wso after paying due diligence to the author and other factors such as does this wso fit my direction. chasing rainbows here is a bit like chasing parked cars, sooner or later your going to smack your face.
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      • Profile picture of the author Michael Oksa
        Originally Posted by christophergrapes View Post

        we are here to learn and perfect our system.
        The system itself is fine, it's the people using it (or not using it) that are the problem.

        All the best,
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  • Profile picture of the author Tqpolo
    I think you should be your own committee. Like all products, you should do your research before buying.
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  • Profile picture of the author lollobrigida
    I think the system works great the way it is because it's leveled and
    not biased to either the seller or the buyer side... and because it's as
    colorful, full of different flavors and experience levels as the forum itself.

    It's not rocket science to roughly tell sh*t from Shinola after you spend
    some time reading full threads, doing a little research, etc.
    Still, buying WSOs is a bit like betting... not every horse is a winner.
    That's how I look at it and I believe it is part of what makes it so addictive
    to people.

    I have been burnt with WSOs... I have seen some WSO that were somewhat
    mediocre but still held one or the other new idea/aspect that made them
    worth the money for me...and I have found really outstanding and impressive
    stuff that was worth WAY more than I paid for it.
    For me the story is maybe not perfect...but leveled out.

    Do I want to be held by the hand? Please not!
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  • Profile picture of the author MattStevens
    I don't think there is anything wrong with the set up.


    I have purchased many WSO's in my time and although some weren't "mind blowing" They all for the most part were informative.


    Most information in anyone of these WSO's can be found with enough digging and researching online for FREE.

    See, what you are really buying is "time"

    Let me explain...

    Instead of going out there and doing tons of research, spending hours and hours looking for the info you need and putting it all together, you can simply hop over to the WSO forum and run a search...find what you are looking for and pay 5 bucks to get the info immediately.

    I'm cool with that.

    It boils down to knowing what information you ACTUALLY NEED. When you know the answer to that, then and only then, should you buy. It will help you purchase smarter, which in return will lessen the chance that you catch the ol dreaded "buyers remorse"
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    • Profile picture of the author David-JP
      Why not have a star rating system for sellers? The stars would be anonymous so you could post a bad star rating if the product was crap without fear of being hosed down for ruining someones WSO. Although I'm not sure how you could confirm that the person has actually bought the product- maybe jvzoo or w+ would be better at handling this.

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  • Profile picture of the author imchillin
    I have to agree that policing wso's is not a good idea, although I'm not going to beat you up, Christopher, for expressing your idea :-) I like reading different perspectives on things but you never can make everyone happy. If there was a committee then I'm sure people would have a problem with that too, and who would do all that work, what are the legal issues....etc etc... I've bought quite a few products online (in general).... some great, some ok, lots disappointing. However, the ones that were not great I still tried to get something out of it, and though they may not have lived up to the hyped up sales page I may have learned something new (or new to me). I really don't believe in returning every little thing either. I mean if its horrible, that's one thing. But I think people abuse some return policies, soak up ideas, and then return for a refund to get a product for free which is NOT right.

    You have to use your own common sense, just like in real life and read the reviews. Although, like stated earlier, some reviews can't be trusted and seem a bit overrated and exaggerated and then some reviews seem extra negative if the person has already learned the method before elsewhere... Just because "person A" may be a 12 year vet that may know a heck of a lot more about IM than a newbie ("person B")..... does that mean that the newbie product is bad for other newbies?! No, not necessarily! It could be a great product for someone else and just because you've been there, done that, why hate on someone else that's new to the game trying to also make a living online? Let's face it, a lot of this info has been around for awhile and although I'm not saying rehashed garbage is the way to go... which I'm not, sometimes a method with a slight twist might be the same as another method you may have seen before. I mean if it's a bad product that's one thing, and I want people to be honest in their reviews to help others, but if a product is geared towards newbies and "person A" buys it (that has been around for while) that does not automatically mean that the product is bad because that particular method was not for you.... Anyway, I'm rambling, sorry, lol!

    Just use common sense when buying, some products will be great, others won't be, that's just the way it is.

    Good luck though!
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  • Profile picture of the author Michael Oksa
    One other thought: Due diligence done by someone else is not due diligence at all.

    There is a lot of talk on the WF about success, and I can guarantee you will NEVER achieve it if you refuse to take 100% responsibility for your own life. The desire for a committee isn't really about getting good WSOs, what it's really about is having a built-in scapegoat for your buyer's remorse.

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  • Profile picture of the author kindsvater
    Originally Posted by christophergrapes View Post

    Wishful thinking only, maybe it would be better that wso be categorized or submitted to a certain committee before releasing it for sale.

    And after reviewing each wso , maybe a committee could give it a rating or ranking, unlike what is happening now super glossy sales page, over inflated testimonials, same with income. If a wso is approved , meaning it is thouroughly screened by the committee. And ofcourse this committee would be controlled by warrior forum admin.

    In this way buyers would also be protected and it eould greatly enhance warrior forum's image.Sellers could also charge more Its a win win situation for all ,

    What do you think?
    Hate to disagree with Allen and Paul, but I think you may be on to something!

    All you have to do is create a committee yourself. Buy WSOs and provide reviews. You could charge a fee to access the reviews. You could charge sellers to review their products. You could charge nothing and make money via affiliate promotions.

    If your service has value, WSO sellers may give your their products for free to review.

    Instead of sticking the time, expense, liability, and hassles onto someone else, work on the details and logistics of your idea. Then head on into the JV section - that is what it is for - and see what you can get going with any like-minded members.

    I would highly recommend to Allen that he not control the committee, but that would give you independence and freedom from any claim the "Warrior Forum admin" has, or has the ability, to influence your reviews.

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    • Profile picture of the author travlinguy
      Originally Posted by kindsvater View Post

      Hate to disagree with Allen and Paul, but I think you may be on to something!

      All you have to do is create a committee yourself. Buy WSOs and provide reviews. You could charge a fee to access the reviews. You could charge sellers to review their products. You could charge nothing and make money via affiliate promotions.

      If your service has value, WSO sellers may give your their products for free to review.

      Instead of sticking the time, expense, liability, and hassles onto someone else, work on the details and logistics of your idea. Then head on into the JV section - that is what it is for - and see what you can get going with any like-minded members.

      I would highly recommend to Allen that he not control the committee, but that would give you independence and freedom from any claim the "Warrior Forum admin" has, or has the ability, to influence your reviews.

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      Seems there are already several groups of people doing stuff similar to this. They buy products or get review copies and review them. And the same ole people who see themselves as victims cry foul because they perceive these arrangements as little cartels of reviewers scratching the backs of their friends. And the beat goes on...
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  • Profile picture of the author ankur sharma
    I think, more and more people are coming up with better wso. We got to understand how capitalism works.

    1) Guy A finds a way to make lot of money by using method x

    2) Soon the word spreads out and everyone is using method x to make money.

    3) Soon the market is filled with 90% crap and everybody is shouting for better products.

    4) Buyers get knowledgeable and soon, bad people start getting out of the system and those who provide better services gets rewarded.

    5) Someone shouts "method x no longer works and make no money". 90% of the sellers leave method x and chase another method to sell.

    Thats how capitalism works and this is going right now with wso section as well. All i know i see ton of products which provide great value. I know what i am buying and how it is going to help me out in my business. I dont do "impulse buying".
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  • Profile picture of the author Prosper2day
    I just recently got into wso scene heavily mainly for the plugin tools to make my life easier and not so much for the ebooks. Here's what I've found it tends to be a core group of names that you can rely upon for consistent quality. Then the rest of them who bombard the system with coffee cup coasters and over priced frizz-bees that come in the form of 200,984 page simple guide to making $5 in 18 months. YOU know what I mean, the type of products or services that if a board were in place would never have seen the light of day.

    Pay close attention to where you throw your dollars, I think it the only way you'll get some of the people producing the lower quality products to really think twice about what they are offering people.

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    • i totally agree with the small fish big fish analogy
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      • Profile picture of the author Paul Myers
        Originally Posted by christophergrapes View Post

        i totally agree with the small fish big fish analogy
        That's not surprising. People who operate from a victim mentality often view others as being predatory. It's the only way to justify their perspective.


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        • Profile picture of the author Chris Silvey
          Originally Posted by Paul Myers View Post

          That's not surprising. People who operate from a victim mentality often view others as being predatory. It's the only way to justify their perspective.


          Paul
          I disagree. How does one become a victim? It is by the other party. The buyer often goes into the transaction with the mentality that the sellers product can help them in some way. That the seller is a person that they can trust.

          As to this though most often the buyer can get a refund, which takes us to the next scenario.

          The seller is true blue, has a quality product and is an electronic download. The buyer purchases it, uses it, but demands a refund. There are no provisions to stop using the product unless one uses expensive security software.

          This is the biggest problem in IM. The seller can be punished, but a deceptive buyer cannot.
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          • Profile picture of the author Paul Myers
            Chris,
            I disagree. How does one become a victim? It is by the other party.
            The point seems not to be getting communicated clearly. See my earlier post about punishing the bastiches for one's disappointment.

            The people I'm referring to are not truly victims. They just think like them in order to avoid the effort of self-responsibility, and to excuse their failure to achieve their own goals.

            "Waaaaah! It's not my fault I didn't read or think or make any effort! It's that Evil Guru!"
            This is the biggest problem in IM. The seller can be punished, but a deceptive buyer cannot.
            True to some extent. I doubt I'd say it's near the biggest problem, though. Depends a lot on where and how you market your products.


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            • Profile picture of the author JohnMcCabe
              You know what the smart WSO buyers do after they get burned a few times? They stop sticking their hands on the 'hot stove'...

              Consider it an education. Some people will learn from the mistakes of others. Some need to have their noses bloodied a few times before the point sinks in.

              I'm not preaching. I shudder to think how much I spent on crap when I got started on something new. And I got started on something new a lot back then.

              But guess what? I learned what crap smells like and quit buying stuff that smelled like crap. I didn't have to pick it up and taste it; I could leave it lying on the ground.

              You now realize that not every WSO is valuable to you and not every seller has your best interest at heart. That is a huge step in your education.
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              • Profile picture of the author 4DayWeekend
                I haven't had time to review all of the replies in this thread, but my analysis is quite simple - The Warrior Forum is a business too.

                And it really wouldn't make business sense to employ a bunch of people (and pay them) to reject wso listings (make less money). Especially so when there aren't many complaints about the current set up.
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                • Profile picture of the author Paul Myers
                  I haven't had time to review all of the replies in this thread, but my analysis is quite simple - The Warrior Forum is a business too.

                  And it really wouldn't make business sense to employ a bunch of people (and pay them) to reject wso listings (make less money). Especially so when there aren't many complaints about the current set up.
                  [sigh] We are not employees, partners, or anything else like that. If this place shut down tomorrow, the mods would all make MORE money, because we wouldn't be spending our time chasing down spammers and the like. We'd be focused more on our own businesses.

                  That aside, your comment is more than a little simplistic. Overall revenues for a business depend on a number of things that come after ad placement. Like, for example, repeat customers for your customers. Trust in the marketplace as a whole. Accessibility. Variety of product.

                  Balance.

                  With the affiliate systems that have sprung up over the past couple of years, this place would be wildly profitable even if there were no discussion sections. At least it would based on the idea that ad sales were the only consideration.

                  They're not. Just ask any of the sellers who've been banned in the past week, or had offers shut down because they weren't in compliance with the rules here. Or the 5 or 6 people who've lost entire business models because of three PMs sent to WSO promoters.

                  The moderators here don't give a damn about ad revenues. We watch out for the members. We don't make a dime from the ad sales, and that's an appropriate way to handle such things.

                  Running a forum like this is complicated. Way more so than is likely to be appreciated by anyone who starts a post with "I haven't had time to review all of the replies in this thread, but my analysis is quite simple."


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                  • Profile picture of the author 4DayWeekend
                    Originally Posted by Paul Myers View Post

                    [sigh] We are not employees, partners, or anything else like that. If this place shut down tomorrow, the mods would all make MORE money, because we wouldn't be spending our time chasing down spammers and the like. We'd be focused more on our own businesses.

                    That aside, your comment is more than a little simplistic. Overall revenues for a business depend on a number of things that come after ad placement. Like, for example, repeat customers for your customers. Trust in the marketplace as a whole. Accessibility. Variety of product.

                    Balance.

                    With the affiliate systems that have sprung up over the past couple of years, this place would be wildly profitable even if there were no discussion sections. At least it would based on the idea that ad sales were the only consideration.

                    They're not. Just ask any of the sellers who've been banned in the past week, or had offers shut down because they weren't in compliance with the rules here. Or the 5 or 6 people who've lost entire business models because of three PMs sent to WSO promoters.

                    The moderators here don't give a damn about ad revenues. We watch out for the members. We don't make a dime from the ad sales, and that's an appropriate way to handle such things.

                    Running a forum like this is complicated. Way more so than is likely to be appreciated by anyone who starts a post with "I haven't had time to review all of the replies in this thread, but my analysis is quite simple."


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                    Sorry for offending Paul, if I did, which wasn't my intention.

                    I couldn't argue your point about the mantra of the moderators, after all, nobody knows better than you.

                    I was merely stating that if additional people had to be employed to review wso's (I can't see existing mods wanting to do this tedious task on a 24 hour basis) then it wouldn't make business sense. Especially when the current format seems to work for 95% of members, myself included.

                    That isn't a character assassination of anyone at all. It was just my response to the question posed by the OP.

                    And for the record, I appreciate that a forum as large and well ran as this is a complicated one. And I appreciate the jobs that all of the mods do. I can assure you that there is no correlation with the fact that I didn't have time to review every reply in the thread and my understanding of managing sites of this magnitude.
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    • Profile picture of the author Michael Oksa
      Originally Posted by Chris Silvey View Post

      Little Fish: "Big Fish. Can you show me how I can grow up as big and strong as you?"
      Big Fish: " Why of Course! In fact I have an ebook on it right under my tongue. Here you go. (Opens Jaws)"
      Little Fish: Oh! Ok! (swims inside)
      Big Fish: "Gotcha!, mmm tasty!"
      Your analogy seems to assume that only "little fish" buy and only "big fish" sell.

      The smart "little fish" takes action on the information they buy, and continues to become bigger and bigger.

      Also, there are a lot of "big fish" that buy WSOs and ebooks.

      The larger problem, in my opinion is when "little fish" pretend to be "big fish".

      Little Fish A: "I know how to make money."
      Little Fish B: "Really? I like money!"
      Little Fish A: "Yes, I know how to make money." (Thinking to themselves: "Well, I understand how, but haven't actually made any." OR "I only made $15, but I'm sure I can make $15,000.")
      Litlle Fish B: "Really?"
      Little Fish A: "Trust me."
      Little Fish B: "Sold!"
      Little Fish B: (3 days later) HEY!

      Little Fish B: (3 weeks later) "I know how to make money."

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  • Profile picture of the author faisalmaximus
    This is a Forum and the seller is responsible for his service or product. So I don't think WF authority should take more responsibilities. To take responsibilities, several freelancing sites are available.
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  • Profile picture of the author Adie
    Forget about the reviews. If you really interested in a certain WSO, go ahead, buy it, and if you are not satisfied, ask full refund without turning back...
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  • Profile picture of the author IM Lover
    Fixes

    1. Buy a WSO, don't like it, refund it simple!
    2. Don't like testimonials, ignore them, just buy the WSO. Don't like it? - Refund it!
    3. Have doubts about WSO's, stay out of the WSO section.
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  • Profile picture of the author Ahmed Auf
    I think it is a good idea and it would definitely protect the buyers.

    However I don't think it's feasible due to many reasons, like how will you get a group of people who already have businesses to run to review such a huge amount of products?

    Also this will make the WF accountable for what is posted in these products. And that's just 2 of the many reasons.

    Although I would love being protected that way, but this is still the WF and it is full of good people who will give their honest reviews about the products.

    So my suggestion is take your time to research before buying any WSO, search about the seller and his reputation, previous WSO's, reviews..etc and I think you'll be safe.
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  • Profile picture of the author WebPen
    Rating systems, committees, and all that kinda stuff has been discussed before.

    And every time the same result- it's decided that we don't need it.

    And I agree.

    99% of WSOs come with a money back guarantee. If you don't receive your money's worth, you can ask for your money back.

    That said- I learn something from 90% of the WSOs I purchase. Even if it's something minor, that minor thing can still help your business a lot.

    As John said- just be smart about what you buy. I don't buy nearly as many WSOs as I used to, but there are some incredible deals that flow through that forum so it's good to keep an eye out.
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  • Profile picture of the author jamiebarclay
    I think the warrior forum works great just the way it is. Most products are covered by paypal which protects you investment. The only thing you lose is time reviewing the product. Obviously you are becoming more advanced in your knowledge because you no longer see what is being sold as beneficial. Perhaps it is time to stop buying and start believing that you know enough to be successful. I mean that in the nicest sense also.
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