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I see so many post and threads on here from people that are apparently broke to the point of not being able to afford hosting, autoresponders, and other tools of the trade.

Deciding to kill two birds with one stone I am setting up my newest project on all free resources and then of course leveraging the project by making a case study on using all free resources to set up a product.

Tool wise I am using Get Response (Free Trial) and JV Zoo.

Get Response free version is a gem. It is only good for thirty days so this means I have to make enough money with the new program to pay up. JV Zoo is always free and is just a superior platform in my opinion.

I am also using the free version of wordpress for some of the lessons and must say it is doable but once used to your own self hosted version it does have it's limitations.

I am already sure this will work and want to challenge you to step up and take action.

JV Zoo actually takes place of the website, traffic, payment processing and a lot more.

Get Response as a delivery agent and further marketing tool can complete the process. There is no reason why anyone desiring to make money online can not set up a product and make enough money in 30 days to pay for the 2nd month.

If you dig deep you know something others are willing to pay for .... get off your butt and sell it to them.
#free #work
  • Profile picture of the author Tayman
    Don't forget $100 adwords coupons for new accounts.

    With a little "creativity" you can use more than one coupon.

    More than enough to get the ball rolling in conjunction with product development.
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    • Profile picture of the author Troy_Phillips
      Originally Posted by Tayman View Post

      Don't forget $100 adwords coupons for new accounts.

      With a little "creativity" you can use more than one coupon.

      More than enough to get the ball rolling in conjunction with product development.
      I saw the coupon. No reason not to use it. While I will concentrate on free traffic concepts to stay in line with the theme of the project, there is several tactics I will use that gets paid traffic for free.

      Things like leveraging my SEO skills to barter for media placements on sites already ranking in the number 2, 3, or 4 spot of Google. Those sites are wanting to get to number one .. make it happen and they will reward you with some traffic.
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  • Profile picture of the author WebPen
    Yup, free methods can definitely still work.

    You can
    -Create a product
    -Create an upsell
    -Put it on JVZoo to get affiliates
    -Use a JVZoo sales page
    -Build a list of buyers using Get Response
    -Make enough money to purchase your domain and hosting
    -Start paying for traffic, and it only goes up from there
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  • Profile picture of the author Greedy
    I'm all about free traffic, but eventually I hit a point where I couldn't get the same volume as paid.

    But it is great when you are starting out.
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    • Profile picture of the author imchillin
      Originally Posted by Greedy View Post

      I'm all about free traffic, but eventually I hit a point where I couldn't get the same volume as paid.

      But it is great when you are starting out.
      I agree..... great way to start if you don't have a huge budget, then reinvest and build!
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  • Profile picture of the author DotComBum
    I use free services too, for example a top sites list which is a free hosted version, it helps me build links with other sites and also free file hosting to host my free ebooks.
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    • Profile picture of the author Troy_Phillips
      Originally Posted by DotComBum View Post

      I use free services too, for example a top sites list which is a free hosted version, it helps me build links with other sites and also free file hosting to host my free ebooks.
      I honestly haven't went the free route in a while. I just wanted to see if it was still doable .. so far it is working out pretty good.
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  • Profile picture of the author DubDubDubDot
    The plan is flawed in that you are telling people who can't make money online to teach others how to make money online. I don't know why so many people on this forum are constantly drawn to this. There is a world of opportunity out there and countless valuable skills to learn. Yet the discussion always ends up back at the relatively low upside business of pretending to be a guru.
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    • Profile picture of the author Troy_Phillips
      Originally Posted by DubDubDubDot View Post

      The plan is flawed in that you are telling people who can't make money online to teach others how to make money online. I don't know why so many people on this forum are constantly drawn to this. There is a world of opportunity out there and countless valuable skills to learn. Yet the discussion always ends up back at the relatively low upside business of pretending to be a guru.
      How in the world do you get I am even suggesting for people to get into the MMO niche? To tell others to teach others to make money online? If that is what internet marketing means to you then you are missing the boat.

      JV zoo has a lot of products on it now that has nothing to do with MMO. Who is pretending to be a guru? It must have hurt when you pulled that one out of your butt.
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      • Profile picture of the author DubDubDubDot
        Originally Posted by Troy_Phillips View Post

        How in the world do you get I am even suggesting for people to get into the MMO niche? To tell others to teach others to make money online? If that is what internet marketing means to you then you are missing the boat.

        JV zoo has a lot of products on it now that has nothing to do with MMO. Who is pretending to be a guru? It must have hurt when you pulled that one out of your butt.
        Your reply is the standard argument from the MMO people. "Well it isn't just for MMO. You COULD use it for something else...." The rebuttal is never backed up with solid examples.

        The truth is, the MMO products on JVzoo outnumber all of the others combined and then you'd have to multiply that number several times to reach the MMO number. All non-MMO products there are written by the MMO guys, extremely low quality and something they did just to dip the tip of their toes into new waters. And doesn't it tell you something about the legitimacy of that place when they allow pirated Hollywood movies on there?

        As for relying on JVzoo to obtain affiliates..... good luck with that. It's a newbie playground. Instead, create a high quality product and then send a proposal to people that you know can send high volume sales (100+ sales per day minimum). And this next sentence is very important..... If they don't want to promote it, you need to go back to the drawing board and make a much better product.
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        • Profile picture of the author Troy_Phillips
          Originally Posted by DubDubDubDot View Post

          Your reply is the standard argument from the MMO people. "Well it isn't just for MMO. You COULD use it for something else...." The rebuttal is never backed up with solid examples.

          The truth is, the MMO products on JVzoo outnumber all of the others combined and then you'd have to multiply that number several times to reach the MMO number. All non-MMO products there are written by the MMO guys, extremely low quality and something they did just to dip the tip of their toes into new waters. And doesn't it tell you something about the legitimacy of that place when they allow pirated Hollywood movies on there?

          As for relying on JVzoo to obtain affiliates..... good luck with that. It's a newbie playground. Instead, create a high quality product and then send a proposal to people that you know can send high volume sales (100+ sales per day minimum). And this next sentence is very important..... If they don't want to promote it, you need to go back to the drawing board and make a much better product.
          MMO is not just about the guru type of MMO you keep referring to. Someone must have really burned you a new one for you to hate the type so bad. AS for the original thread here .. I never mentioned any niche .. whatsoever.

          AS for JVZ, that is just one tool out of millions available online.As far as affiliates go, I would never trust any one source to build my affiliate list. Build a good relationship with true affiliate marketers first and you will not need to pitch your stuff to them .. they will ask if you have anything that might match their list and promotional crowd.

          Duba buba .. if you go into your marketing ventures with the blinders used when reading this thread .. you are going to have a hard time with it in general.
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        • Profile picture of the author Black Hat Cat
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          Originally Posted by DubDubDubDot View Post

          Your reply is the standard argument from the MMO people.
          It's also the correct argument, which is probably why it's the standard.
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  • Profile picture of the author brentb
    To be honest, when I didn't have any money my success was very little. Now that I have money, my "projects" seem like they succeed much more often... why? Some things you just need to have money to make money. Now I am not saying you cannot do it for free but I think its flawed for everyone to think they can start with nothing and succeed online like its their right. To be honest, I don't think I could do it with an empty bank account and I would think people on this board would consider me successful in IM even though I am no $10k a day marketer lol. I got a job, worked overtime, saved and used that money to get started. I still work a day job as my day job is IM but for a company where I learn a lot and I still put some of my paycheck into my business account to keep things moving quickly.
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    • Profile picture of the author Troy_Phillips
      Originally Posted by brentb View Post

      To be honest, when I didn't have any money my success was very little. Now that I have money, my "projects" seem like they succeed much more often... why? Some things you just need to have money to make money. Now I am not saying you cannot do it for free but I think its flawed for everyone to think they can start with nothing and succeed online like its their right. To be honest, I don't think I could do it with an empty bank account and I would think people on this board would consider me successful in IM even though I am no $10k a day marketer lol. I got a job, worked overtime, saved and used that money to get started. I still work a day job as my day job is IM but for a company where I learn a lot and I still put some of my paycheck into my business account to keep things moving quickly.
      All it takes to make money online is the ability to drive targeted traffic to a converting offer. It really doesn't take money to accomplish either one of those things.

      What were limitations to you may not and do not apply to everyone.
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  • Profile picture of the author Chetz Togom
    I believe you can be successful no matter you're using free stuff.

    If you work hard enough and be consistent you can be successful even if you started with ZERO.

    Can't start an online because you're really broke is an excuse. There are ways to start online business without any money.

    You just need to be resourceful, creative and if your reason to make money online is big enough, you WILL find a way.

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  • Profile picture of the author talfighel
    You could say that free ads online work but I still like PAID advertising like PPC. If you want FAST results then go with PAID and if you want really slow results then go with free.

    Plus, with free advertising you don't know if it is going to pay off for you in the future.

    If you don't have a JOB that makes you money then I would not encourage you to submit articles and videos and do all you can to drive as much free and targeted traffic to what ever you are selling.

    If you do have a JOB then you can afford paid media. Somehow, I know it is possible to start small and then grow bigger as your income grows.
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    • Profile picture of the author Troy_Phillips
      Originally Posted by talfighel View Post

      You could say that free ads online work but I still like PAID advertising like PPC. If you want FAST results then go with PAID and if you want really slow results then go with free.

      Plus, with free advertising you don't know if it is going to pay off for you in the future.

      If you don't have a JOB that makes you money then I would not encourage you to submit articles and videos and do all you can to drive as much free and targeted traffic to what ever you are selling.

      If you do have a JOB then you can afford paid media. Somehow, I know it is possible to start small and then grow bigger as your income grows.
      Nothing wrong with PPC. I myself prefer media buys to PPC. I would no more rely on PPC as a sole traffic source as I would any one free source. You never know when the pai9d source decides they do not like your business model or someone with deeper pockets decide they want your ad placement.
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  • Profile picture of the author Tony Humble
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    You don't have to pay any money to start, but why don't you want to? (if you are not completely broke). It's a lot easier to get started that way, $10 for a domain name and $5/mo for hosting, plus the money for aweber isn't much.
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    • Profile picture of the author Troy_Phillips
      Originally Posted by Tony Humble View Post

      You don't have to pay any money to start, but why don't you want to? (if you are not completely broke). It's a lot easier to get started that way, $10 for a domain name and $5/mo for hosting, plus the money for aweber isn't much.
      Believe it or not .. $10 in some parts of the world is more than the family food budget.Even in the US some people are hurting to the point of $10 being a big deal.
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    Originally Posted by Troy_Phillips View Post

    I see so many post and threads on here from people that are apparently broke to the point of not being able to afford hosting, autoresponders, and other tools of the trade.

    Deciding to kill two birds with one stone I am setting up my newest project on all free resources and then of course leveraging the project by making a case study on using all free resources to set up a product.

    Tool wise I am using Get Response (Free Trial) and JV Zoo.

    Get Response free version is a gem. It is only good for thirty days so this means I have to make enough money with the new program to pay up. JV Zoo is always free and is just a superior platform in my opinion.

    I am also using the free version of wordpress for some of the lessons and must say it is doable but once used to your own self hosted version it does have it's limitations.

    I am already sure this will work and want to challenge you to step up and take action.

    JV Zoo actually takes place of the website, traffic, payment processing and a lot more.

    Get Response as a delivery agent and further marketing tool can complete the process. There is no reason why anyone desiring to make money online can not set up a product and make enough money in 30 days to pay for the 2nd month.

    If you dig deep you know something others are willing to pay for .... get off your butt and sell it to them.
    Yes, Free still Works!

    But Success didn't come freely.
    Use Free Ways to start your expedition journey into your niches markets by your own hand-on experiences.
    Do Paid for something that can save your times & efforts to achieve your dream passive incomes online.

    Is a FAIR game.
    Find your 'Unfair Advantages' to Win the game
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  • Profile picture of the author brentb
    Free traffic doesn't scale. You can only post to Social media or craigslist so much per day. Even SEO, once you hit #1... where do you go from there? Paid has practically unlimited ability to scale. When you find the perfect display creative and targeting, you can then go to every single network and put it up, for the most part but there are too many and you would never get to them all to keep your cash flow positive. Or once your offer does well on one affiliate network, you can go to the bazillion others out there.

    Nothing wrong with free but IMO the time you are spending is really worth more than what you are saving by going the free route, many just don't realize this.
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    • Profile picture of the author Troy_Phillips
      Originally Posted by brentb View Post

      Free traffic doesn't scale. You can only post to Social media or craigslist so much per day. Even SEO, once you hit #1... where do you go from there? Paid has practically unlimited ability to scale. When you find the perfect display creative and targeting, you can then go to every single network and put it up, for the most part but there are too many and you would never get to them all to keep your cash flow positive. Or once your offer does well on one affiliate network, you can go to the bazillion others out there.

      Nothing wrong with free but IMO the time you are spending is really worth more than what you are saving by going the free route, many just don't realize this.
      Someone who says free traffic doesn't scale doesn't understand free traffic.

      SEO is very scalable. Traffic tiers and diagonal promotions can be virtually endless. Article syndication done the Alexa way is as free as it gets and one well placed article can bring in more than SEO and be a lot better targeted than PPC. And that is just the tip of the iceberg when dealing with free traffic.
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    • Profile picture of the author Black Hat Cat
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      Originally Posted by brentb View Post

      Paid has practically unlimited ability to scale.
      Only if you have an unlimited budget. Otherwise, your ability to scale via paid traffic has limits just like every other method.
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  • Profile picture of the author Jim Hughes
    You have to invest resources to succeed. That does not always mean your money. It can mean time. Or it can mean other people's money if you work with partners.
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    • Profile picture of the author Troy_Phillips
      Originally Posted by Jim Hughes View Post

      You have to invest resources to succeed. That does not always mean your money. It can mean time. Or it can mean other people's money if you work with partners.
      100% agree. Most will find it takes a little of both but always time.
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  • Profile picture of the author talfighel
    My mentor, the only guy that really showed me how to earn money online, said that it takes money to make money. I still think it is true to this day. Those who want free stuff and are not willing to invest in their future, are NOT REALLY serious.

    That is the way I see it.
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    • Profile picture of the author Troy_Phillips
      Originally Posted by talfighel View Post

      My mentor, the only guy that really showed me how to earn money online, said that it takes money to make money. I still think it is true to this day. Those who want free stuff and are not willing to invest in their future, are NOT REALLY serious.

      That is the way I see it.
      One good affiliate can make you more money in a day than most people make in a year. What happens if you hook up with several good affiliates. You are "thinking" but are you testing. You may have found a mentor that showed you how to invest properly but that does not mean it is the only way, the best way, or will work for everyone.
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      • Profile picture of the author barbaramoore225
        It should always be the combination of the two.
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        • Profile picture of the author Troy_Phillips
          Originally Posted by barbaramoore225 View Post

          It should always be the combination of the two.
          Why Barbara? Always covers a lot of ground.
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      • Profile picture of the author RobertoM
        Originally Posted by Troy_Phillips View Post

        One good affiliate can make you more money in a day than most people make in a year. What happens if you hook up with several good affiliates. You are "thinking" but are you testing. You may have found a mentor that showed you how to invest properly but that does not mean it is the only way, the best way, or will work for everyone.
        Hey Troy,
        It seems you are a seasoned IMer, but sometimes I lose your points in this thread.
        The OP says "Free will still work" , but then you leverage paid traffic as a good option, then you say SEO is scalable, and finally you say you must hook some affiliates to work for you (which means you need to have your own products and 95% of IMers doesn't have one).
        Could you clear up your main point here?:confused:
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        • Profile picture of the author Troy_Phillips
          Originally Posted by RobertoM View Post

          Hey Troy,
          It seems you are a seasoned IMer, but sometimes I lose your points in this thread.
          The OP says "Free will still work" , but then you leverage paid traffic as a good option, then you say SEO is scalable, and finally you say you must hook some affiliates to work for you (which means you need to have your own products and 95% of IMers doesn't have one).
          Could you clear up your main point here?:confused:
          The OP says free will still work and it will. I would be a fool to argue with someone saying paid traffic doesn't work .. it does. I was engaging in conversation with someone who was off topic to the OP but still relevant to IM. All the other point you are referencing is following that same pattern.

          The main point of the OP is about creating your own product and using JV zoo as an affiliate base and a payment distribution /collection source. Using Get Response to deliver said product and to market yourself and other products.

          The discussion following was about sending your own traffic to the offer and not having to depend on just the affiliate portion of JVZ and other points brought up by other posters.
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        • Profile picture of the author Troy_Phillips
          Originally Posted by RobertoM View Post

          which means you need to have your own products and 95% of IMers doesn't have one).
          Could you clear up your main point here?:confused:
          Where do you get 95% don't have a product?

          Almost everyone has a product if they leverage their knowledge. Even the newbie who just got slammed by the big bad guru has a product. They can call it "how I got screwed and tattooed by the big bad wolf and lived to tell about it."

          You can also promote services via JVZ with just a little creativity.
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          • Profile picture of the author RobertoM
            Originally Posted by Troy_Phillips View Post

            Almost everyone has a product if they leverage their knowledge. Even the newbie who just got slammed by the big bad guru has a product. They can call it "how I got screwed and tattooed by the big bad wolf and lived to tell about it."

            You can also promote services via JVZ with just a little creativity.
            You said it: "Almost everyone has a product if they leverage their knowledge" but still 95% (or so, don't take me to the letter) did not leverage his/her skills to the point of developing a real and sellable info product.
            I'll consider a good joke to have a product (ebook maybe?) called "how I got screwed and tattooed by the big bad wolf and lived to tell about it."
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  • Profile picture of the author David Sneen
    You don't have to have money to make money. With a good plan, it can work. Especially, if you put your meager initial earnings back into your project.

    A good plan is king. Many have lost thousands....because they lacked a workable plan.

    That being said, it is easier to make money if you have money. Working without restrictions and using every available tool should give you a huge advantage.
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    • Profile picture of the author Troy_Phillips
      Originally Posted by David Sneen View Post

      You don't have to have money to make money. With a good plan, it can work. Especially, if you put your meager initial earnings back into your project.

      A good plan is king. Many have lost thousands....because they lacked a workable plan.

      That being said, it is easier to make money if you have money. Working without restrictions and using every available tool should give you a huge advantage.
      Yes David. I will take a proven plan and the knowledge to implement said plan over a big budget, no plan or a flawed plan, and no knowledge.
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    • Profile picture of the author fritzandre24
      Originally Posted by David Sneen View Post

      You don't have to have money to make money. With a good plan, it can work. Especially, if you put your meager initial earnings back into your project.

      A good plan is king. Many have lost thousands....because they lacked a workable plan.

      That being said, it is easier to make money if you have money. Working without restrictions and using every available tool should give you a huge advantage.
      I agree with you david, It really depends how much money you are willing to sacrifice to gain success., its not that easy specially for starters like me

      Thanks very helpful thread
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  • Profile picture of the author sasta10
    I have just signed up with JV Zoo. Thanks for sharing this man, I can't believe it's free. Great tool. Thanks.
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    • Profile picture of the author JohnMcCabe
      Originally Posted by Tayman View Post

      Don't forget $100 adwords coupons for new accounts.

      With a little "creativity" you can use more than one coupon.

      More than enough to get the ball rolling in conjunction with product development.
      I take it that "creativity" means lying to open more than one account, which can close that avenue off quickly and permanently if you get caught. Every Adwords coupon I've ever gotten, and I get them about once a month it seems, says it's for new accounts only.

      Originally Posted by Black Hat Cat View Post

      Only if you have an unlimited budget. Otherwise, your ability to scale via paid traffic has limits just like every other method.
      The keyword is "practically unlimited"...

      In theory, as long as you make more from the ad spend than it costs you, there is no upper limit.

      From observing some of the companies I've worked with, you do reach a point where reliable traffic sources do get maxed out. Additional paid traffic either fails to pay for itself, or starts cannibalizing other sources.
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  • Profile picture of the author nasuryono
    I think it comes down to what value you can offer to others. All else is just communication channels.

    If you truly offer value, then no matter what skill you possess, you can absolutely make it be it online or offline.
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  • Profile picture of the author RichardBravo
    Free absolutely works, especially for rookies on a budget.

    Posterous and Tumblr are other platforms to look at as blog platforms. Posterous in particular has some very powerful RSS functionality. Like WP neither serve ads on your site except for the usual "create your own site" type link.

    The cool thing about free platforms, tools and services these days is the majority offer a pretty powerful freemium version that you can start with, then upgrade and scale when you're in positive cashflow.

    I think that's an important factor for rookies to grasp...
    Just because it's "paid" doesn't mean you'll make money with it.
    If someone is unable to make money with the free options, odds are pretty high they won't with paid options either. In fact they'll probably lose money.

    PPC as a sidenote is a great compliment to free.
    You can setup a ppc campaign in MSN Adcenter for example, run $50 through it and take the keyword & conversion data you glean and apply the positives to your free (seo / organic) model.

    You just have to think out of the box a little and find creative ways to use the resources you have.
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    • Profile picture of the author Troy_Phillips
      Originally Posted by RichardBravo View Post

      Free absolutely works, especially for rookies on a budget.

      Posterous and Tumblr are other platforms to look at as blog platforms. Posterous in particular has some very powerful RSS functionality. Like WP neither serve ads on your site except for the usual "create your own site" type link.

      The cool thing about free platforms, tools and services these days is the majority offer a pretty powerful freemium version that you can start with, then upgrade and scale when you're in positive cashflow.

      I think that's an important factor for rookies to grasp...
      Just because it's "paid" doesn't mean you'll make money with it.
      If someone is unable to make money with the free options, odds are pretty high they won't with paid options either. In fact they'll probably lose money.

      PPC as a sidenote is a great compliment to free.
      You can setup a ppc campaign in MSN Adcenter for example, run $50 through it and take the keyword & conversion data you glean and apply the positives to your free (seo / organic) model.

      You just have to think out of the box a little and find creative ways to use the resources you have.
      Don't let the lack of post fool you here. Richard is the real deal.
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      • Profile picture of the author nhynes57
        I agree that free does work.
        However getting most newbies to create a product, setup an autoresponder etc
        and get profitable in 30 days is a big ask. Going down the freelancing route is
        a better option I think to get some funds in place to take it to the next level.
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        • Profile picture of the author ochaim
          Originally Posted by nhynes57 View Post

          I agree that free does work.
          However getting most newbies to create a product, setup an autoresponder etc
          and get profitable in 30 days is a big ask. Going down the freelancing route is
          a better option I think to get some funds in place to take it to the next level.
          You're absolutely right. I get paralyzed at the product creation and autoresponder sequenece phase.

          Unfortunately, I'm in a place where my passion/hobby intersects nowhere near that I can surmise to be a profitable niche. So I've been stuck looking for a niche that I'd be able to create a decent product around that I'm at least vaguely interested in.

          @DubDubDub
          I think the point of jvzoo is using it as a hub to handle sales and potential affiliates. Not necessarily to market existing jvzoo products. But I do know what you're saying. I bought a steep membership to a course that said "you COULD use it for non-IM" and well, sure I "COULD", but it would have taken a lot more creativity than I would expect to do for the price.
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        • Profile picture of the author Troy_Phillips
          Originally Posted by nhynes57 View Post

          I agree that free does work.
          However getting most newbies to create a product, setup an autoresponder etc
          and get profitable in 30 days is a big ask. Going down the freelancing route is
          a better option I think to get some funds in place to take it to the next level.
          That is why we have so many people writing sub-par content and charging $1 per 100 words. Not everyone is cut out to do services. Most people are not cut out to do services.

          Setting up a product is not for everyone either .. 100% agree. Jv zoo has a lot of products on it .. there is no way they are all crap .. no way! Using an autoresponder to actually market to your list ... to truly promote instead of trying to thinly disguise selling, is somewhat a lost art form but it works for almost any niche that isn't just completely time sensitive (such as I just got rattlesnake bit.)
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  • Profile picture of the author Randall Magwood
    Free will still work offline too... but with only higher quality leads and traffic coming to your website.
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  • Profile picture of the author kenzik
    Quick aside, I tried MailChimp not long ago and it was free for up to X amount of e-mails. Like 100% free. Not a free trial then it expires, etc. Free as in have a free beer.

    Not sure if they are still doing it, but worth checking out.
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    • Profile picture of the author Troy_Phillips
      Originally Posted by kenzik View Post

      Quick aside, I tried MailChimp not long ago and it was free for up to X amount of e-mails. Like 100% free. Not a free trial then it expires, etc. Free as in have a free beer.

      Not sure if they are still doing it, but worth checking out.
      Not only is MC not affiliate marketer friendly, they do not want any type of internet marketer using their system. Honestly, if you can't make enough to pay for an autoresponder in 30 days .. might need to check your skill set or the program you have aligned yourself with .. something is missing somewhere (not slinging that at you kenzik .. just in general.)
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  • Profile picture of the author Robert M Gouge
    I like little projects like this one. The results are always interesting and great for out-of-the-box thinking.

    Troy, do you plan to add more detailed updates to this (here, blog, or elsewhere)? I'd be interested in reading them.
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    • Profile picture of the author Troy_Phillips
      Originally Posted by Robert M Gouge View Post

      I like little projects like this one. The results are always interesting and great for out-of-the-box thinking.

      Troy, do you plan to add more detailed updates to this (here, blog, or elsewhere)? I'd be interested in reading them.
      Robert,

      I actually do a case study on every project I start. I was going to use the case study for email bait but will place this one "sign up free" in my sig when I get it finished.
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    The possibilities are ENDLESS, you just have to know how to search. Google that is
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  • Profile picture of the author greenowl123
    Using free methods is the best way to go for newbies IMO.

    Set up a free blog on Weebly, Blogger, Posterous, Multiply, LiveJournal, Xanga or other free blog platforms.

    Get free traffic from Craigslist, Backpage, OLX and other free classified ad sites as well as from Facebook, Twitter, Myspace, etc.

    That free traffic CAN be scaled up with paid methods (when you know it is effective and profitable for you)... wanna know how ? Find people on Fiverr to place the classified ads or add friends for you on Facebook, etc.

    A good free auto-responder : Imnica

    So there you have everything you need to get started making money with no investment. I did it. I reckon others can do it too...

    When you start earning, then re-invest your money to grow your business by getting a domain, paid hosting, buy some ads, etc.

    But IMO it is better to learn how to earn using free methods when you are starting out.

    Good luck !
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    • Profile picture of the author Troy_Phillips
      Originally Posted by greenowl123 View Post

      Using free methods is the best way to go for newbies IMO.

      Set up a free blog on Weebly, Blogger, Posterous, Multiply, LiveJournal, Xanga or other free blog platforms.

      Get free traffic from Craigslist, Backpage, OLX and other free classified ad sites as well as from Facebook, Twitter, Myspace, etc.

      That free traffic CAN be scaled up with paid methods (when you know it is effective and profitable for you)... wanna know how ? Find people on Fiverr to place the classified ads or add friends for you on Facebook, etc.

      A good free auto-responder : Imnica

      So there you have everything you need to get started making money with no investment. I did it. I reckon others can do it too...

      When you start earning, then re-invest your money to grow your business by getting a domain, paid hosting, buy some ads, etc.

      But IMO it is better to learn how to earn using free methods when you are starting out.

      Good luck !
      Now honestly, I would never suggest going the free route unless you have no choice. Your own self hosted site offers a lot more security ( as far as it being removed by the real owner)and lets you do things your way. I just didn't want people thinking that the total lack of funds is a deal stopper.
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      • Profile picture of the author kenzik
        Originally Posted by Troy_Phillips View Post

        Now honestly, I would never suggest going the free route unless you have no choice. Your own self hosted site offers a lot more security ( as far as it being removed by the real owner)and lets you do things your way. I just didn't want people thinking that the total lack of funds is a deal stopper.
        I would argue that you virtually always have a choice.

        There are plenty of jobs to take if you are willing to do the work. While you may not enjoy the work, you could do just enough work to earn a years worth of hosting and a domain to get you started. You also could choose to not eat out, drink beers, go to the movies, rent that video, and dozens of other ideas and start funneling that money.

        A few ideas:
        1) Do a few fiver gigs for some cash
        2) You could advertise on Craigslist to help someone move their furniture for a couple of bucks.
        3) You could advertise on Craigslist to sell some of your crap you aren't using.
        4) You could turn off your Cable/Internet for however long it took to use that money to invest in a domain name/hosting.
        5) Get a part time job doing something, anything (doesn't really matter what it is; it is temporary and even if you only made $8/hour you only need to work to earn about $60 or so for hosting/site).
        6) You could ask around work if anyone needs any help with odd jobs around their home and could pay a few bucks.
        7) You could sell some of your stuff.
        8) etc

        In other words, you need to use the same creative ideas that you will need in business to get things done to earn that money.

        In fact, let's just make that your first real test. Assume the money is already hidden in your life... now how do you find it? Or better stated, How do you create it?

        I bet if you reviewed your last 60 days of expenditures, you'd find easily $100 you spent on discretionary items. Things you could have lived without purchasing. That $100 bucks is plenty to get some webhosting and your auto-responder if you look for some good deals and coupons (easily obtained on Google).

        Free is only free if you don't value your time. Free costs time. When you purchase a tool you are trading your time for money and usually, it is a good trade.
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        • Profile picture of the author Troy_Phillips
          Originally Posted by kenzik View Post

          I would argue that you virtually always have a choice.

          There are plenty of jobs to take if you are willing to do the work. While you may not enjoy the work, you could do just enough work to earn a years worth of hosting and a domain to get you started. You also could choose to not eat out, drink beers, go to the movies, rent that video, and dozens of other ideas and start funneling that money.

          A few ideas:
          1) Do a few fiver gigs for some cash
          2) You could advertise on Craigslist to help someone move their furniture for a couple of bucks.
          3) You could advertise on Craigslist to sell some of your crap you aren't using.
          4) You could turn off your Cable/Internet for however long it took to use that money to invest in a domain name/hosting.
          5) Get a part time job doing something, anything (doesn't really matter what it is; it is temporary and even if you only made $8/hour you only need to work to earn about $60 or so for hosting/site).
          6) You could ask around work if anyone needs any help with odd jobs around their home and could pay a few bucks.
          7) You could sell some of your stuff.
          8) etc

          In other words, you need to use the same creative ideas that you will need in business to get things done to earn that money.

          In fact, let's just make that your first real test. Assume the money is already hidden in your life... now how do you find it? Or better stated, How do you create it?

          I bet if you reviewed your last 60 days of expenditures, you'd find easily $100 you spent on discretionary items. Things you could have lived without purchasing. That $100 bucks is plenty to get some webhosting and your auto-responder if you look for some good deals and coupons (easily obtained on Google).

          Free is only free if you don't value your time. Free costs time. When you purchase a tool you are trading your time for money and usually, it is a good trade.
          Yeah you could sell a kidney too but that is not the point.

          This all started out to see if totally free resources can still make money online. You are on of the biggest free resource right now. With just a sig file you could easily make a lot of money on forum.

          The sig I have now has been up less than 2 weeks. I have received several PM's and well over 200 emails in that time frame. I could have easily made several thousand dollars off of just those contacts but that was not the purpose of the sig. Finding out on a more personal level what other marketers needed and networking was the only goal.

          Nothing wrong with mowing yards .. nothing. Just saying you don't have to if you just think a little out of the box .. very little out of it actually.
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  • Profile picture of the author theory expert
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    The only thing about this plan is that you already have the skills to complete. This doesn't make it an even playing field for someone with a learning curve. All you have done was figure out how to get started on a 30 day free trial. I would be cautious of a newbie having no skills to be able to make this work the first time in 30 days. They may find themselves owing money in the end!

    If you took a survey of warriors and ask them, "how long did it take you to make money online". A large portion would say 6 months or longer.

    Know yourself noobs!
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    • Profile picture of the author Troy_Phillips
      Originally Posted by theory expert View Post

      The only thing about this plan is that you already have the skills to complete. This doesn't make it an even playing field for someone with a learning curve. All you have done was figure out how to get started on a 30 day free trial. I would be cautious of a newbie having no skills to be able to make this work the first time in 30 days. They may find themselves owing money in the end!

      If you took a survey of warriors and ask them, "how long did it take you to make money online". A large portion would say 6 months or longer.

      Know yourself noobs!
      First off there is no charge after the trial although any list members you have will need to be contacted via another method if you have not made enough to upgrade. Really though, if the list hasn't made a sale in 30 days you need to back up and punt and you have probably a;ready ruined that list anyway. .

      Second .. you are right about the level playing field.

      Also .. out of those that took six month .. were they promoting a buy button during that time? Reading post on the WF is not internet marketing lol. But to level the playing field a little ..... I will update this post tomorrow with a step by step of how to go from zero to hero in 30 days.
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  • Profile picture of the author visimedia
    really cool method of free marketing , it works always works!

    I've seen some wso have been doing this and it seems they're successful with this free method. Just make sure they need to offer good value products for free, unless people will leave and won't take the free offer
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    • Profile picture of the author theory expert
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      Originally Posted by kenzik View Post

      Is it tomorrow yet?
      You said what I was thinking. I am know mind reader, but, I assume that Mr. Phillips realized that making a step by step took more thought than he initially anticipated, so, it'll probably be an extra day or two. Just my guess.

      Originally Posted by visimedia View Post


      I've seen some wso have been doing this and it seems they're successful with this free method.
      Are you talking about they are successful at making a free WSO?
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      • Profile picture of the author Troy_Phillips
        Originally Posted by theory expert View Post

        You said what I was thinking. I am know mind reader, but, I assume that Mr. Phillips realized that making a step by step took more thought than he initially anticipated, so, it'll probably be an extra day or two. Just my guess.



        Are you talking about they are successful at making a free WSO?
        Mr Phillips (wow I kind of like that lol) has been doing this for over 12 years so I knew exactly what I was going to write the night I made the statement. Something happened to my membership/affiliate script and I had to make the decision to either write a freebie here or take care of 300 plus paying members .. guess which one got my attention?

        I do apologize but business is and always will be business.

        I will do a new thread in the next couple of hours and link to it from here

        Troy
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  • Profile picture of the author Brittuf
    There are great ways to get free .cu.cc domains. just google it
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  • Profile picture of the author hockmasm
    the first money i made online was by following The Thirty Day Challenge, years a go. I set up a free wordpress blog, wrote an article about Bose Earphones, added a link to amazon as an affiliate and BAM within a month I got my first sale! I only made a couple of bucks but that it was lead me to where I am today.

    i then learned about adsense, etc. and bought a domain and invest $80 on my first site for the year. Started writing articles, now i make 150-250 per month on that site.

    it all started with free then realized the gamble of $80 was worth it.
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  • Profile picture of the author Troy_Phillips
    Okay ... you don't have a product .. use this affiliate step by step (somewhat)

    Here it is .. a day and a half late but right on time:-)

    http://www.warriorforum.com/main-int...ml#post6972895
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    • Profile picture of the author RobertoM
      Originally Posted by Troy_Phillips View Post

      Okay ... you don't have a product .. use this affiliate strep by step (somewhat)

      Here it is .. a day and a half late but right on time:-)

      http://www.warriorforum.com/main-int...ml#post6972895
      Good job man !!!
      Very interesting post/article.
      You should write an ebook with that good stuff.
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