Beginner: Ready Made Websites vs. DIY

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Hello WF's!

As you all know I am a newbie, beginner, rookie.
Excuse me if I am posting in wrong section, but this section is the best non biased responses...I love the WF forum, and I want to make my own WP blog with amazon, CB, affiliates, etc. Besically make $$$$ I read everything in here from woo themes, to themeforest, to free WP themes, to elegant themes.

Then I found Verena http://www.warriorforum.com/complete...only-25-a.html

They will make you a bundled startup package. She has a good process & seo.
It looks like she has good feedback on WF and good prices. So whats the difference between Verena and themforest.net elegantthemes.com etc. ??

Why should I use Verena over buying my own WP theme on themforest.net??

Thank you :p:confused::rolleyes:
#beginner #diy #made #ready #ready made niche blog #ready made niche website #verena review #websites
  • Profile picture of the author Mark Antonink
    Hi, ZachRobinson and welcome

    Very nice q. At the beginning I would study a lot, just 2 month, take some valuable course, read the book about affiliate marketing, read this forum . And that of course take action. There is nothing like get rich over night, you need study a lot, because there is a lot of scams!

    This forum is about to provide a lot cheaper but more valuable wordpress theme, products, advise like anywhere else. But My recommendation is find someone who will care about you as customer and provide support!

    What it is all about? Why people want buy from you not from the others?

    It is about relationship, trust, credibility, being valuable to you visitors!

    Your job is to care about them and give as much as you can valuable FREE things, and than human nature works very well on that. All will say thank you at beginning and than they will trust you and buy from you things easily.

    Let me know if it was helpful please
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  • Profile picture of the author sbucciarel
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    Well, Verena sells PLR blogs. Themeforest sells themes. You either buy a PLR blog or a theme and build your own blog.
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    • Profile picture of the author ZachRobinson
      Originally Posted by sbucciarel View Post

      Well, Verena sells PLR blogs. Themeforest sells themes. You either buy a PLR blog or a theme and build your own blog.
      By the way, I read so many of your posts and I have to say you are the best! So informative, and so wise. The WF needs a user like you!

      Ok so, what about going to themeforest then to WordPress section then to Blog/news.

      Just finding a blog I like. Granted its more $$$ than Verena but I can sell it on flippa in the future and I can put my own written content. So given I go to themeforest and pick a WP blog/news theme - what is the difference than going to Verena?

      Anyone else can jump in on this one too :rolleyes:
      I am just trying to justify going with Verena or themeforest and make my own blog.
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      • Profile picture of the author sbucciarel
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        Originally Posted by ZachRobinson View Post

        Just finding a blog I like. Granted its more $$$ than Verena but I can sell it on flippa in the future and I can put my own written content. So given I go to themeforest and pick a WP blog/news theme - what is the difference than going to Verena?
        Verena is just of several PLR blog sellers in Complete Sites for Sale, including myself. Read her license. Personal use only. You are not allowed to sell the blogs you buy from her.
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  • Profile picture of the author sovereignn
    Originally Posted by ZachRobinson View Post

    Hello WF's!

    As you all know I am a newbie, beginner, rookie.
    Excuse me if I am posting in wrong section, but this section is the best non biased responses...I love the WF forum, and I want to make my own WP blog with amazon, CB, affiliates, etc. Besically make $$$$ I read everything in here from woo themes, to themeforest, to free WP themes, to elegant themes.

    Then I found Verena http://www.warriorforum.com/complete...only-25-a.html

    They will make you a bundled startup package. She has a good process & seo.
    It looks like she has good feedback on WF and good prices. So whats the difference between Verena and themforest.net elegantthemes.com etc. ??

    Why should I use Verena over buying my own WP theme on themforest.net??

    Thank you :p:confused::rolleyes:
    I bought one in the past... It ranked well but the theme didn't convert so I switched to artisteer customized it on my own and my conversions shot up

    I'm assuming it's different for every person but from my experience they don't convert well.
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    • Profile picture of the author PinkOwl
      Originally Posted by sovereignn View Post

      I bought one in the past... It ranked well but the theme didn't convert so I switched to artisteer customized it on my own and my conversions shot up

      I'm assuming it's different for every person but from my experience they don't convert well.

      Sovereignn,

      If someone followed your route and customized the pre-made niche site and added new original content, do you believe there would be a better conversion opportunity? I am really curious because I have been thinking about buying a few of them.
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  • Profile picture of the author UMS
    Originally Posted by ZachRobinson View Post

    They will make you a bundled startup package. She has a good process & seo.
    It looks like she has good feedback on WF and good prices. So whats the difference between Verena and themforest.net elegantthemes.com etc. ??

    Why should I use Verena over buying my own WP theme on themforest.net??
    Verena's site packages are built on Genesis Framework/Studiopress (from memory).

    Essentially it is fully pre-configured WordPress site with PLR content (ie: content that isn't unique).

    You can't sell the sites to anyone else and strictly speaking you don't own the theme.

    The main advantage of buying a pre-configured site is the potential time it saves you as you don't need to buy a theme, install plugins, add images and content and find suitable affiliate products, CPA offers etc.
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  • Profile picture of the author elperuanito
    Blogs like that have their value but I would opt to write my own articles. This one will provide you with low-quality content I would think. Am I wrong in thinking this? Happy to be told otherwise. The theme itself you can find for free elsewhere (well, something similar). The bonus material might be worth it. I mean, it's only $25 for the whole thing so not a huge gamble. You know what you are getting as there is a demo site. You mention it 'has SEO' but the only thing it mentions is what most likely is a free SEO plugin pre-installed. You can find one to easily place into a free theme. No one is going to get to the site based on what is provided with that package - you will need to buy ranking services or do some work yourself.

    I'm a beginner like you, except I've been at it with niche sites for a couple of months now and have a tiny bit of experience. Basically, my rookie mistakes. :-)

    1. Bought an Adsense niche site thinking it might make money on its own. The classic 'set and forget!' niche site sales pitch. Truth is it probably won't if you're buying it at 10x or 20x, unless you know what you are doing in terms of keeping the rank or expanding the site into something bigger. HOWEVER, I was still happy I bought it as I saw a niche site for the first time. On-site SEO, keyword %, how many pages, what type of content, the theme, etc. This was amazing for learning and would recommend it. MikeFromMaine, Adsense Flippers, WSOtesters.com sell sites such as these. These are only for Adsense though.
    2. Read too much. Pick one process and see how it goes. I took too long trying to read into all of these different monetization methods and it was too much. I barely took action the first month.
    3. Ranking (or rather, traffic) is critical. Doesn't matter if you're doing CB, Amazon, Adsense... if people don't see the site it's useless. Try and learn about how you are going to get people on your site. You can then think about which theme converts, % on Adsense, etc.

    I would just get a nice theme for free and start building content (after doing some research on a niche). You don't know what you're doing yet in terms of ranking the site or getting traffic, so why waste money on the theme at the very start? There are plenty of decent free themes. Places like Woo themes have some free ones to entice you to buy, as well as other places like Studio Press. Once you know what you're doing a bit more, you will realise what you are missing and need. You might eventually realise you need a nice theme for a gold niche (like the one being sold) and you might go back to that seller. Then you won't have to create graphics and you get some base content to start off with.

    Sorry, rambled a bit there!
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  • Profile picture of the author TryBPO
    Hey Zach,

    Congratulations on getting started!

    If you're brand new, I wouldn't suggest buying a templated site from anyone, no matter how cheap it is. (For that matter, I wouldn't suggest buying from us, MikeFromMaine, or WSOTesters either) Yes, you'll have a theme, a site, some non-unique content...but it's not likely to put you on the path towards making money with niche sites unless you just get really lucky.

    There are plenty of ways to skin the (make money online) cat...but I truly believe that one of the best ways to get started is through niche site creation. It does take quite a bit of work and the risk/reward is pretty low...but you're more likely to find early success and can build it up from there.

    There are some great (free) resources to get you started with niche sites. Here are just a few:

    The Challenge - Ed Dale
    Niche Pursuits - Spencer
    MikeFromMaine - Mike
    WSO Testers - Josh / Trevor

    You can check out our site as well as we have quite a bit to say on the issue of niche sites. Not just because it's ours, but I would highly suggest checking out our guide, "Building A Niche Site Empire". It's free...no opt-in required...and I honestly think it's great for getting started.

    Niche sites start with keyword research. Get this wrong and you'll be spending quite a bit of time building out sites and spending efforts on sites that won't make you money. Two of the popular keyword research tools are Market Samurai and Long Tail Pro...but you can get started just by using the Google Keyword Tool.

    Once you've gone through the process a few times consider buying some earning sites from us, Mike, or WSOTesters. You can then reverse engineer our process as a head-check and then continue to build out your sites the best way you know how.

    Hope that helps!
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  • Profile picture of the author elperuanito
    Justin/Joe,

    Cool to see you guys adding to the thread. Your work definitely inspired me in terms of getting started. Love the podcasts as well, you seem like nice guys (think the podcast has been very effective in terms of 'trust').

    However, in terms of your point about buying a starter niche site - I disagree. Funny I am disagreeing and telling people to actually go ahead and buy one of your sites, even if starting out. ;-)

    If I could go back I would still buy the niche site I got. It taught me a lot in terms of theme options, ad placement, plugins (even just knowing the selection of plugins used by niche site creators was worth a lot to me and I now use most of them as standard), on-site SEO (another important one) and just generally knowing what is 'good enough' to launch. Before I got the niche site I spent SO MUCH time trying to figure out the 'mystery' of what a niche site should look like and what it should contain. I spent way too long over-thinking the process.

    For those reasons I think it's worth getting a niche site, provided you have the extra cash to buy an entry-level site. I would put this after hosting, domains, keyword research tools, and SEO tools/ebooks/WSOs. Of course having the tools to do everything yourself is ultimately most important. Nevertheless, buying a niche site gave me some nice lessons and impetus to do it myself. The confusion of countless WSOs almost freezes you. Once you see what's out there making money, you realise you can maybe do that yourself as well. My rookie 'error' was buying the site purely as an investment for Adsense - the other stuff made it worth the purchase.
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  • Profile picture of the author elperuanito
    By the way, definitely download the Niche Site Empire guide. :-)
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  • Profile picture of the author Randall Magwood
    You can profit from both. I would personally do a DIY site. More leverage and you will probably be familiar with the HTML editor/website software that you use to build the site.
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    • Profile picture of the author PinkOwl
      Originally Posted by Randall Magwood View Post

      You can profit from both. I would personally do a DIY site. More leverage and you will probably be familiar with the HTML editor/website software that you use to build the site.


      Randall,
      But what about for those of us with very limited website building knowledge? I do know some HTML, but not enough to build a site. I am having a hard enough time getting my OptimizePress theme set up properly.
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  • Profile picture of the author YasirYar
    If you want to learn more and savor the experience, then you can start from scratch. But if you want to start straight away then go for a PLR blog.
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  • Profile picture of the author mrelk159
    I say DIY site especially since you started out just because you can learn a lot more that way.
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  • Profile picture of the author Kirill Vasilyev
    I got one of ready build websites myself and it ranked well but I have to customize it a lot so it don't look like all of the competitors
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  • Profile picture of the author blillard
    DIY is a skill that is needed more so on a tight budget. websites or at pleast HTML and WP is one of those things you need to sit down and study when it comes to IM. PLR bolgs are cool but know that you wont be the only person with it and many are too lazy to change the content on them anyways to make it unique. Once you get in a position where you can hire someone else to handle the designs fro you I say go for it but starting out that skill is priceless.
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  • Profile picture of the author dimitri banks
    Hello everyone ! I am trying to outrank the website with really crappy look but the guy has 100 k unique visitor per month . I would say to the look of the website in any way can not be compared to importance of content . Focus on getting right content on your website( a lot of good unique content + LSI keywords) and this all thing might work out for you .
    About the website , jest learn how to install wordpress from your hosting provider (hostagator ) and take from there , few weeks and you'll be able to make your own blogs for free .
    Hope this helps . Good luck !
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  • Profile picture of the author renmark
    Originally Posted by ZachRobinson View Post

    Hello WF's!

    As you all know I am a newbie, beginner, rookie.
    Excuse me if I am posting in wrong section, but this section is the best non biased responses...I love the WF forum, and I want to make my own WP blog with amazon, CB, affiliates, etc. Besically make $$$$ I read everything in here from woo themes, to themeforest, to free WP themes, to elegant themes.

    Then I found Verena http://www.warriorforum.com/complete...only-25-a.html

    They will make you a bundled startup package. She has a good process & seo.
    It looks like she has good feedback on WF and good prices. So whats the difference between Verena and themforest.net elegantthemes.com etc. ??

    Why should I use Verena over buying my own WP theme on themforest.net??

    Thank you :p:confused::rolleyes:
    Trust me, I had 3 of those things, none work, they are a WASTE OF MONEY!!
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    • Profile picture of the author turnkeybiz
      Originally Posted by renmark View Post

      Trust me, I had 3 of those things, none work, they are a WASTE OF MONEY!!
      Hi Renmark, when you said you had 3 of those things, you mean ready made website (turnkey websites)?

      If so, and I mean this with no disrespect at all, just taking a moment to teach and add my 2cent. this and a few bucks will get ya on the NYC subway lol.

      I hear so many people trash ready made blogs or websites, They are no different the PLR products or MRR products.

      Any one that knows anything will not just set one up and expect it to make money. it is like anything else, it is a head start.

      1. You need to add your own content

      2. over time change the look of yourself, heck even a theme once you get a hang of it.

      3. Add other resources, products, services. If you set it and forget it, it wont make you a dime.

      A turnkey business or ready made website are simple, quick, easy ways to get started, with little to no effort in creating the website.

      But making money, well heck buddy that is where we are all working and doing. And yes it take a ton of time and changes.

      I say it again, we have ALL brought PLR products, and anyone that has made money with them, has taken them, changed them, changed the mini-site and added their own content to it as well.

      PLR products, in my opinion and no different then a ready made blog. Change it, by adding your own content, change it by adding your own design over time, change it by adding people that will be active on your site.

      Good luck all and thank you for letting me rant lol.
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  • Profile picture of the author turnkeybiz
    Originally Posted by ZachRobinson View Post

    Hello WF's!

    As you all know I am a newbie, beginner, rookie.
    Excuse me if I am posting in wrong section, but this section is the best non biased responses...I love the WF forum, and I want to make my own WP blog with amazon, CB, affiliates, etc. Besically make $$$$ I read everything in here from woo themes, to themeforest, to free WP themes, to elegant themes.

    Then I found Verena http://www.warriorforum.com/complete...only-25-a.html

    They will make you a bundled startup package. She has a good process & seo.
    It looks like she has good feedback on WF and good prices. So whats the difference between Verena and themforest.net elegantthemes.com etc. ??

    Why should I use Verena over buying my own WP theme on themforest.net??

    Thank you :p:confused::rolleyes:
    1st off welcome to the IM world, great start with coming to WF and I am sure you will be successful.

    Like many have said, A ready made site is simply put quicker to get started. it's like a franchise so to speak, many of the same template, same content.

    Now I know Verena does very good work and I am sure you will be pleased. My suggest is this.

    If you can have her or anyone set you up with a ready made website. Assuming you do not know design work or how to put a wordpress site together.

    While that is going on, think of your product, services and content that you will place on your website. THIS is VERY important. it is not the site it self that will make you successful, its the content, product, service and you that will make you successful.

    Having a site ready made, at 1st will get you to this goal a bit quicker. you will and must make it different.

    Then once you feel comfortable with IMing and have a little more time and expertise under your belt, creating one on your own will make more sense. I spent more time, re-designing my website, changing headers, color etc, if I spent that much more time on my content and products, i would have made a faster, better, Smarter start.

    Don't loose focus, take Action, the worse thing you can do it spend time reading and not taking action, creating & research your niche, service, products, learning how to earn and then putting these things into action will benefit you more in the long term.

    Funny I just brought 2 IM products from the ugliest website in the world, lol I didn't really notice, simple because it was the information I needed at the price I wanted to pay.

    Good Luck Buddy
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  • Profile picture of the author jazbo
    A theme is a blank canvas. If you are buying a site of any type you need to do some due diligence to make sure you are getting the headstart you think you are.
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  • Profile picture of the author Vector Graphics
    There is a big difference between PLR blogs and plain Wordpress themes. PLR blogs come ready with content that you can either rewrite or just keep as is. Theme Forest sells WP themes that comes with no content so you would have to create all of your content from scratch.

    Both choices can be beneficial you just have to figure out which choice best suits you and the project you are going to work on.
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  • Profile picture of the author NickleIckle
    Hi!

    I think that creating a nice looking website is the easy part (and the fun part!). The hard bit (for me anyway) is getting lots of fresh content, and hardest of all - getting good backlinks. These two things take up a lot of time and effort - especially if you have more than one site.

    In this case, I think that you can get good value for money from "ready built" sites if they include any extras like content or link building.

    Just my two cents :-)
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    If you buy a site that is already made...buy one with unique content.
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  • Profile picture of the author Allen Payne
    @ZachRobinson,

    If you want to create sites for marketing, then you should consider purchasing OptimizePress. I use it for several sites and I couldn't be more satisfied.

    Can't give you any advice on Verena's service but I see that it's sold out already!

    Good luck!
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