Need help managing my list.. they're getting pissed off.

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I'm not even sure if this qualifies as a real "problem", but to me it is.
So let me explain the situation.

I love warrior forum. I also have huge respect for many of the folks who hang out here. Even the ones who don't take massive action. Just the fact they are on here LEARNING everyday earns my respect.

Because lets face it, most people dont even want to do that.

So this is the issue.

I am making good money offline using craigslist right now. I am also becoming better and better at setting up sales funnels for small businesses.

I try to come to WF to post, and WANT to help as many people as I can, but I have too many pms and not enough time.

Right now I can waste ALL my time on this forum just answering pm's. Certain people are sending me 10 questions at a time. I have tons of unanswered pms in my inbox because of this. Now whats happening is they're coming back a second time asking if I can release a WSO.

The issue is, I refuse to put out a WSO unless I have time to finish it the right way. So I've been trying to coach people for free by email. But its killing SO MUCH time, and like I said I wind up ignoring people.

What would you do? Things may not calm down for another 2-3 weeks. I know I can tell my list to wait, but this has been the second time I've delayed on this.

Should I just explain that life is crazy hectic right now? And ask if they'll wait longer? I feel like I'm going to piss people off the more & more I delay.

Thanks - Red
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  • Profile picture of the author MartinBuckley
    Red,

    I would just send your list a personal message and exsplain that you are very busy right now and will answer questions as you can, but that for the next 2-4 weeks you are not going to be available.

    You are doing nothing wrong by being busy, you are only one person and can only handle and deal with so much and we have all been there, so most people on your list should undestand.

    Also, if the people on your list like you and what you have to offer they will wait and be loyal and support you and if not it's their loss.

    I hope this helps,

    Martin
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  • Profile picture of the author MatthewWoodward
    You run a business. Not a school.

    However if you have this many requests for information/help/guidance, there is obviously a big gap in the market that you could capitalise on.

    Take a step back and look at the bigger bigger picture than just answering a few PM's.

    What do those PM's tell you?
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  • Profile picture of the author sbucciarel
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    Why are you coaching people for free via email, when you have a business to run? Don't answer the pms if you don't have the time.
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    • Profile picture of the author superpayouts
      Originally Posted by sbucciarel View Post

      Why are you coaching people for free via email, when you have a business to run? Don't answer the pms if you don't have the time.
      Well said!

      You don't owe them anything if they aren't paying you. You are doing it out of the goodness of your heart. If you have more important things to attend to like your own business and making money online, then by all means focus on what is putting bread on the table for you.

      If you have spare time then focus on the folks that need questions answered. If they get pissed, let them get pissed off. It's not like their paying you for anything so why should they be mad for? I don't understand.

      I'd send them a letter and be straight up about it. "Guys, sorry I cant reply to all your messages life and business has been really busy lately and I must attend to my own personal things first and foremost. Please bare with me and if I have time to get to you I definitely will." Simple as that.

      Now on the other hand if they are paying you, that's a whole different story.
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      • Profile picture of the author Paul Myers
        Time vampires. They'll bleed you dry. And the more you give, the more they'll demand. As soon as you stop giving, they'll hate you. Here's the catch: Eventually, you'll have to stop giving, at least to most of them.

        If you're lucky, 3% will do anything useful with what you offer them. They're not paying for it, and they will treat it as though it's exactly worth that fee.

        That doesn't mean they're bad people, of course. Just that they'll use you as their excuse for not getting anything done, whether you coach them or not.

        The folks who ask the group publicly, and take what's offered and work with it, are the ones most likely to do something productive with the advice they get.


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        • Profile picture of the author Mystery777
          Originally Posted by Paul Myers View Post

          Time vampires. They'll bleed you dry. And the more you give, the more they'll demand. As soon as you stop giving, they'll hate you. Here's the catch: Eventually, you'll have to stop giving, at least to most of them.

          If you're lucky, 3% will do anything useful with what you offer them. They're not paying for it, and they will treat it as though it's exactly worth that fee.

          That doesn't mean they're bad people, of course. Just that they'll use you as their excuse for not getting anything done, whether you coach them or not.

          The folks who ask the group publicly, and take what's offered and work with it, are the ones most likely to do something productive with the advice they get.


          Paul
          Well said. I believe some other members too must be in the same shoes as "RedShifted's".

          Guys. This is the reality of it. It's human nature. You make them get used to "free" info... they don't value it, do nothing with it, yet come back asking for more.... you sacrifice a huge chunk of your time and give them more, they do the same.

          The moment you stop, they start hating and disrespecting you... and oh yeah... you'll become "their reason" for their failure.
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  • Profile picture of the author retsced
    You need to place more value on your time Red. It's as simple as that.
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  • Profile picture of the author onlinebizgiant
    I can give you one solution, let them optin to my squeeze page and I'll provide them whatever information they need to have
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  • Profile picture of the author MattStevens
    Originally Posted by RedShifted View Post

    I'm not even sure if this qualifies as a real "problem", but to me it is.
    So let me explain the situation.

    I love warrior forum. I also have huge respect for many of the folks who hang out here. Even the ones who don't take massive action. Just the fact they are on here LEARNING everyday earns my respect.

    Because lets face it, most people dont even want to do that.

    So this is the issue.

    I am making good money offline using craigslist right now. I am also becoming better and better at setting up sales funnels for small businesses.

    I try to come to WF to post, and WANT to help as many people as I can, but I have too many pms and not enough time.

    Right now I can waste ALL my time on this forum just answering pm's. Certain people are sending me 10 questions at a time. I have tons of unanswered pms in my inbox because of this. Now whats happening is they're coming back a second time asking if I can release a WSO.

    The issue is, I refuse to put out a WSO unless I have time to finish it the right way. So I've been trying to coach people for free by email. But its killing SO MUCH time, and like I said I wind up ignoring people.

    What would you do? Things may not calm down for another 2-3 weeks. I know I can tell my list to wait, but this has been the second time I've delayed on this.

    Should I just explain that life is crazy hectic right now? And ask if they'll wait longer? I feel like I'm going to piss people off the more & more I delay.

    Thanks - Red

    Is there anyway you can group the questions together and answer them in one shot? Then at the end of the email, politely tell them that you will be taking a break for awhile and will be unavailable to answer any future questions.

    That way you can exit the situation in a positive way without giving the list a resentment.

    :confused:
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    • Profile picture of the author Daniel Evans
      I don't see it as a problem.

      I see it as an opportunity to crack open a membership site with a support forum.


      Daniel
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      • Profile picture of the author superpayouts
        Originally Posted by Daniel Evans View Post

        I don't see it as a problem.

        I see it as an opportunity to crack open a membership site with a support forum.


        Daniel

        Daniel,

        That would of been his first option I'm sure, but what you maybe failed to realize from his post is that he is offering the service for free? Service or just genuine help on his behalf so it defeats the purpose of him opening a membership site. Otherwise, that would of been a good idea for sure.
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        • Profile picture of the author Daniel Evans
          Originally Posted by superpayouts View Post

          Daniel,

          That would of been his first option I'm sure, but what you maybe failed to realize from his post is that he is offering the service for free? Service or just genuine help on his behalf so it defeats the purpose of him opening a membership site. Otherwise, that would of been a good idea for sure.
          The suggestion is he shouldn't offer his services for free.
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      • Profile picture of the author MatthewWoodward
        Originally Posted by Daniel Evans View Post

        I don't see it as a problem.

        I see it as an opportunity to crack open a membership site with a support forum.


        Daniel
        Nail.Head.
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        • Profile picture of the author rosetrees
          Originally Posted by MattStevens View Post

          Is there anyway you can group the questions together and answer them in one shot?
          This. Plus - don't answer by email, send them an invitation to a paid, $10 group Skype session. I wonder how many will actually be keen enough to attend?
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  • Profile picture of the author Randall Magwood
    You should turn alot of these people PM'ing you into paying clients.
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  • Profile picture of the author mmntv
    Convert free advice offer into Membership site with private coaching upsell.
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  • Profile picture of the author iRunThis
    Originally Posted by RedShifted View Post

    But its killing SO MUCH time, and like I said I wind up ignoring people.
    One of the absolute WORST things you can do is ignore people.

    1. It messes up your image.

    2. It loses some trust from the people that you ignore.

    Sending them a message explaining the situation is a MUCH better alternative. They'll also appreciate this.

    Ex; The emotions go like this.

    *Red hasn't responded to my PM in 3 days* (ANGRY)

    "Sorry if I haven't gotten back to you guys, I've just been really busy lately with _________. I'll probably be back into it by ________. I hope you guys understand that since I'm providing such a great service that takes so much of my time, for FREE, that it has to be put on the back burner when it comes time to make some money. I have bills to pay to ya know! :p"

    *reads PM* (GUILTY)

    Again, The best thing you can do is explain the situation.

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  • Profile picture of the author David Keith
    well, I don't have much in the way of day to day business operations to run much anymore, so I have the luxury of donating my time a fair bit. That being said, I have some pretty clear terms for things.

    1. I always make it clear upfront that I can and do charge for advice. I make a point before I even engage a person to any serious degree to make sure they understand that it is normal for me to charge for my time.

    2. I make it clear that if i agree to help, its on my terms and i do take time out to sleep, eat, go to the bathroom and other things. I don't respond immediately and any presumption that i should will end the conversation promptly.

    3. I really go by the whole "you can have your service your way good/fast/cheap...pick any 2 mantra." if someone wants good advice on the cheap, then fast and responsive service is something they have to sacrifice.

    The key thing i have noticed most over the years is to clearly set any expectations as early as possible in your dialogue. People may not like you for not giving the help for free, but most will sorta understand.

    The real problems usually arise when you do spread yourself to thin and end up under-delivering on all your promises to almost everyone...most importantly your paying customers. Remember "you can't please everyone all the time".

    You are going to choose. You will either chose to over server your freebie seekers and under serve your real customers or the other way around. You decide. BTW. if you don't DECIDE and make a conscious decision you will end up serving the freebie seekers at the expense of your customers.
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  • Profile picture of the author hebsgaard
    What are you doing helping people for free!!!

    Seriously, if people get angry with you for being busy doing other things than answering their PMs for free so be it. Can't see how that can ever become your problem.

    Seems you feel guilty about not being able to allow people to steal your time. That's insane!

    If you can't turn them into paying customers you have to let them go, albeit politely.

    Sensible people will understand that you have to make a living and helping them out for free isn't helping you do that.
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  • Profile picture of the author Mark72
    Make a note of the most common questions that your subscribers have and answer them in some blog posts.

    Then simply refer these people to a FAQ section on your blog.

    If people are asking you for assistance then they must respect your opinions and this could be an oportunity to recommend some core marketing products through your affiliate links where appropriate.
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    • Profile picture of the author Dimitris Skiadas
      Originally Posted by Mark72 View Post

      Make a note of the most common questions that your subscribers have and answer them in some blog posts.

      Then simply refer these people to a FAQ section on your blog.

      If people are asking you for assistance then they must respect your opinions and this could be an oportunity to recommend some core marketing products through your affiliate links where appropriate.
      I think this is the best answer a Warrior could give.

      Look.We are nothing without our fans, our list of subscribers, our clients, our followers, you name it.

      People are impatient.They think that now that you are a "big marketer", you simply ignore them. It's not the truth though.

      It has happened to me some times when i sent an e-mail to a known marketer, just to thank him for his help and never got an answer back.I could easily get mad but it wouldn't do any good.

      Shoot them an e-mail every week or so with the top 10 common questions they might have and answer them in detail.

      Then, since you run an online business, you may find the ones who are really interested in your coaching services and pay you for it.

      Dimitris
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