[Rant] What is up with all the signature spamming?

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I've been reading the Warrior Forum for quite a while and I must say, it's a really valuable resource for information.

However, as of late, I notice a disturbing trend that seems to growing as acceptable, and, sometimes, even encouraged by giving "thanks."

What is the trend? 1 word or 1 sentence responses that really do little to contribute any meaningful value to the discussion at hand.

Examples:
Posted Question: How can I improve my converstions? Here is my page: (someurl)

10 similar answers: Improve your copy. It sucks.
Posted Question: How can I get more traffic to my blog posts?

10 Similar Crappy Answers: Use SEO.
I don't know if people are tired of answering the same questions over and over, or if there are just a lot of new, misinformed members who don't really have any value to contribute, but the one sentence responses, just for the sake of spamming the signature, put a bad light on this great forum.

Having to wade through hundreds and hundreds of one sentence, crappy responses just to get to a quality post is tiring and makes the forum much less useful, in my opinion.

I'm not saying I always post 2000 word essay responses, I'm guilty of not going into more detail on replies too. As such, I've stopped replying to threads as much. Because I realize it's just making the forum look like crap and isn't providing value to anyone.

So, my encouragement to all of us, if you don't have any legitimate, constructive comments to add to a post, don't reply. Posting for the sake of spamming your signature doesn't really help anyone.

Have a good weekend, Warriors.
#rant #signature #spamming
  • Profile picture of the author icoachu
    The problem is that many of these guys wrote LONG answers in the past but soon found out that people keep asking the same question. What do you do? Write the same long answers over and over again? See where I am coming from?
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    • Profile picture of the author Robert M Gouge
      Originally Posted by icoachu View Post

      The problem is that many of these guys wrote LONG answers in the past but soon found out that people keep asking the same question. What do you do? Write the same long answers over and over again? See where I am coming from?
      So, because they answered it once, they should be given a free pass to just sig spam by posting replies that contribute nothing to the thread or the forum? :confused:
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      • Profile picture of the author icoachu
        Originally Posted by Robert M Gouge View Post

        So, because they answered it once, they should be given a free pass to just sig spam by posting replies that contribute nothing to the thread or the forum? :confused:
        Let's take your argument and run with it. How do you plan to police this? Isn't there a risk of filtering out people who have a history of posting very useful materials just because they didn't FEEL LIKE posting yet another SEO dissertation just because another person posted a vague and repetitive question?
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    • Profile picture of the author GMD
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      Originally Posted by icoachu View Post

      The problem is that many of these guys wrote LONG answers in the past but soon found out that people keep asking the same question. What do you do? Write the same long answers over and over again? See where I am coming from?
      If members have posted informative information in regards to questions asked previously, then those people should post a link to the thread where that reply was given -- instead of giving the kinds of "answers" the OP (and yourself) are complaining about.

      Sure, it gets annoying coming back here every day only to see threads popping up about subjects that have been asked (and answered) the day or week before, but that's primarily due to a couple of factors that won't be changed anytime soon (because it's human nature):


      1. Many people are like babies -- they can't do a thing for themselves. They can't figure out how to use "Google" or the "search button" around here. So, instead of at the very least being able to do their own research first, they just even skip that simple process and flat out ask questions that could be answered immediately (and more thoroughly) had they just looked into it themselves.

      2. People do like to post just for the sake of getting their signatures out there. I'm seriously waiting for somebody to post a thread with the title, "Can somebody explain what Google is?".

      Best you can do? Just stop trying to change the world because it won't change. Stay in your lane and keep an eye on your business and stop worrying about other people's business.
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    • Profile picture of the author Adie
      Originally Posted by icoachu View Post

      The problem is that many of these guys wrote LONG answers in the past but soon found out that people keep asking the same question. What do you do? Write the same long answers over and over again? See where I am coming from?
      I would not reply if I found something like this. You are tolerating lazy people not to use search function if you give similar response over and over again.
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      • Profile picture of the author Sleika
        Originally Posted by Adie View Post

        I would not reply if I found something like this. You are tolerating lazy people not to use search function if you give similar response over and over again.
        Adie i do read all your posts and find them informative

        But unless someone has been here a bit this is not intuative, ive personally used the search function more now

        I have to reiterate being a newb theres so much sig comments, and a full on clique of backslapping and no real criticism
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  • Profile picture of the author Devin X
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    I've noticed this too, but as annoying as it is, all I can do is to make sure that I'm as helpful as possible whenever I bump a thread. We're all guilty of giving short/generic responses at times, but usually it's because people are asking the same questions and not taking the time to use the search function before creating a thread that says, "how can i make money online?" or "how can I get more traffic to my site?"
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  • Profile picture of the author Michael Oksa
    So you complain about people asking the same old questions, and giving the same old answers, and you use the same old rant to do it?

    Hello? Irony...

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    • Profile picture of the author Robert M Gouge
      Originally Posted by Michael Oksa View Post

      So you complain about people asking the same old questions, and giving the same old answers, and you use the same old rant to do it?

      Hello? Irony...

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      Excuse me for trying to encourage quality discussion on here.

      Did I hit a nerve that was too close to home for your posting style? I'm sorry.
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      • Profile picture of the author Michael Oksa
        Originally Posted by Robert M Gouge View Post

        Excuse me for trying to encourage quality discussion on here.

        Did I hit a nerve that was close to home for your posting style? I'm sorry.
        LOL. The irony never stops!

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      • Profile picture of the author Mark Singletary
        Robert, that's unfair. I don't know Michael from Adam and I am sure I haven't seen all his posts but I've never seen anything he's posted (even the short one liners) that even would suggest he's trying to game the system here.

        His point is valid. This thing comes up all the time. Did you search to find the many times this has been beaten to death?

        Your response also was a short two-liner. Where was the value you offered in this? Where is the quality discusssion?

        Originally Posted by Robert M Gouge View Post

        Excuse me for trying to encourage quality discussion on here.

        Did I hit a nerve that was too close to home for your posting style? I'm sorry.
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        • Profile picture of the author Robert M Gouge
          Originally Posted by Mark Singletary View Post

          Robert, that's unfair. I don't know Michael from Adam and I am sure I haven't seen all his posts but I've never seen anything he's posted (even the short one liners) that even would suggest he's trying to game the system here.

          His point is valid. This thing comes up all the time. Did you search to find the many times this has been beaten to death?

          Your response also was a short two-liner. Where was the value you offered in this? Where is the quality discusssion?
          He was acting like a jerk. Act like a jerk, you get treated like one. My response to him was indicative of the level of contribution he made by his reply. Little to none.

          If he wanted to state that this has been a topic that has already been brought up several times (without being an ass), and direct me to relevant threads where I could direct my discussion, that would have been one thing. But, he didn't. He responded like an ass (unprovoked I should add), so he get's a two-liner.
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          • Profile picture of the author tpw
            Originally Posted by Robert M Gouge View Post

            If he wanted to state that this has been a topic that has already been brought up several times (without being an ass), and direct me to relevant threads where I could direct my discussion, that would have been one thing. But, he didn't. He responded like an ass (unprovoked I should add), so he get's a two-liner.

            Damn. It's too bad that the forum has its new rules about including images in threads.

            Otherwise, I would have probably included something like this, irritating Joe R that I beat him to the punch:

            http://imgc.allpostersimages.com/ima...er-cartoon.jpg


            There is only one person on the forum who spends her time answering several questions a day with a shopping list of links to other posts.

            If you wanted someone to do that, you should have sent Alexa a PM. :rolleyes:


            If you really have a problem with Michael being an ass in his responses to you, I have a link you should see...
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            • Profile picture of the author Robert M Gouge
              Originally Posted by tpw View Post

              Damn. It's too bad that the forum has its new rules about including images in threads.

              Otherwise, I would have probably included something like this, irritating Joe R that I beat him to the punch:

              http://imgc.allpostersimages.com/ima...er-cartoon.jpg


              There is only one person on the forum who spends her time answering several questions a day with a shopping list of links to other posts.

              If you wanted someone to do that, you should have sent Alexa a PM. :rolleyes:


              If you really have a problem with Michael being an ass in his responses to you, I have a link you should see...
              Pretty sure Michael can handle his own confrontations on this forum. Thanks though, tpw.
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              • Profile picture of the author Paul Myers
                Mixed reply...
                I would like to see a [...] a minimum post count before people can post in the subforums.
                As always, the question to ask before suggesting such things is, "What other effects would this have?"

                In this case, it would mean that every post from a new member would be here, regardless of the topic. And they'd freak out (justly) when half their posts got deleted for being in the wrong sections.

                We already know that minimum post counts just encourage some people to post huge amounts of garbage in order to reach them, and then they abuse whatever they were after even more. And what this would do to Main Discussion is easy to guess.

                How much do we take away from the legitimate members to stop the spammers, when we know that stopping them completely is impossible? Where's the balance?
                I'm seriously waiting for somebody to post a thread with the title, "Can somebody explain what Google is?".
                Been done, along with every other topic that remotely connects to SEO. The usual pattern is a title like, "What is [Topic]?" and ...

                Message body: Please tell all about [topic]. As detail as possible, please.

                Signature: We are experts at [Topic] and give best and cheapest service you.

                As long as there are people who can feed themselves on what someone will pay them to post in forums for links, that's going to be a problem. The source isn't usually the actual posters, but rather the creeps and clueless twits who hire them.
                This is NOT a new phenomenon, but what IS new is your awareness of it. Now that you ARE aware of it, it suddenly seems to be a rampant problem.
                Give that man a Klondike Bar.


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                • Profile picture of the author Sleika
                  getting banned time .. OP is right, flat out newb but aint blind

                  if its amazon, wolfmii is coming in to tell me he's killing or crushing it

                  clickbank, aleka time ( love the post )

                  random post .. joseph is going to put it down

                  thread is popular enough .. time for paul to tell everyone there wrong

                  ban commencing in 3,2,1 ....
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                    • Profile picture of the author Sleika
                      joseph7384 made my point for me
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                      • Profile picture of the author Sleika
                        gonna be honest with you, want to contirbute to the community as i get better and have every intention to but reading through this threads its the same thing, sig links., backslapping

                        if i can contribute, i will, maybe help a newb here and there but the constant putting people down is ridiculous

                        edit: whats the point of editing my post, do you have something of value to add
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                        • Profile picture of the author Paul Myers
                          the constant putting people down is ridiculous
                          And your replies in this thread help... how?
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                          • Profile picture of the author Sleika
                            Originally Posted by Paul Myers View Post

                            And your replies in this thread help... how?
                            seriously, not been here 10 years or whatever, guess i dont know what makes the paul standard for a good post
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                            • Profile picture of the author Paul Myers
                              seriously, not been here 10 years or whatever, guess i dont know what makes the paul standard for a good post
                              My standard for a good post isn't really relevant. Just as your response isn't relevant to the question I asked. But then, you don't have any obligation to reply to it sensibly, and probably can't, given that it was simple trolling.

                              You need better bait, sir.


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                              • Profile picture of the author tpw
                                Originally Posted by Paul Myers View Post

                                you don't have any obligation to reply to it sensibly, and probably can't, given that it was simple trolling.

                                You need better bait, sir.


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                                LOLz and back slapping...

                                Please click my links...

                                Oh wait!! Where did my signature go?
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                              • Profile picture of the author Sleika
                                Originally Posted by Paul Myers View Post

                                My standard for a good post isn't really relevant. Just as your response isn't relevant to the question I asked. But then, you don't have any obligation to reply to it sensibly, and probably can't, given that it was simple trolling.

                                You need better bait, sir.


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                                trolling, are you kidding me ...

                                look through my posts an tell me im " trolling " the forum, either asked for helped or tried to provide it
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                                • Profile picture of the author Paul Myers
                                  trolling, are you kidding me
                                  Nope.

                                  And I don't need to look at your other posts at the moment, since I wasn't referring to a pattern. Just the specific post to which I was replying.


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                                  • Profile picture of the author Sleika
                                    figures, know damn well i wasnt
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                                    • Profile picture of the author Paul Myers
                                      figures, know damn well i wasnt
                                      You may "know" that, but I don't. I can only go by the most likely interpretation of what's posted, as opposed to reading someone's mind.

                                      You will note that I didn't form an opinion until I had asked a serious question and gotten a sniping, and largely irrelevant, response.

                                      Come back later and read your comments in this thread. I think you'll see that "trolling" was not an unreasonable conclusion.



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                                      • Profile picture of the author Sleika
                                        do you think im trolling

                                        have no wsos, no sig links, what am i trying to gain
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                                        • Profile picture of the author tpw
                                          Originally Posted by Sleika View Post

                                          do you think im trolling
                                          Originally Posted by Sleika View Post

                                          getting banned time .. OP is right, flat out newb but aint blind

                                          if its amazon, wolfmii is coming in to tell me he's killing or crushing it

                                          clickbank, aleka time ( love the post )

                                          random post .. joseph is going to put it down

                                          thread is popular enough .. time for paul to tell everyone there wrong

                                          ban commencing in 3,2,1 ....

                                          Absolutely, yes.
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                                        • Profile picture of the author Paul Myers
                                          Originally Posted by Sleika View Post

                                          do you think im trolling
                                          At this point, it's seems nearly certain. I don't see any other point to the combination of posts you've made in this thread.


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                                        • Profile picture of the author tpw
                                          Originally Posted by Sleika View Post

                                          have no wsos, no sig links, what am i trying to gain

                                          Trolls and Spammers are different kinds of people.

                                          Only the Spammer needs a signature link.
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                                          • Profile picture of the author Sleika
                                            Huh, do you read previous post or just assume everything
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                                            • Profile picture of the author tpw
                                              Originally Posted by Sleika View Post

                                              Huh, do you read previous post or just assume everything

                                              Me or Paul?

                                              Since Paul is one of those damn rednecks, be clear so that Paul knows that you are still talking to him.
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                                              • Profile picture of the author Sleika
                                                Originally Posted by tpw View Post

                                                Me or Paul?
                                                paul more so

                                                in other posts you have been really helpful
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                                            • Profile picture of the author Paul Myers
                                              Huh, do you read previous post or just assume everything
                                              Not sure who you're addressing here, but I'll respond.

                                              I read every post in this thread, including yours. Posts outside of this thread are not relevant to my comments, as I am not talking about those.

                                              In response to your question about what you might be trying to gain, one can only speculate. The usual payment someone gets from trolling is the bizarre satisfaction of yanking someone's strings and watching them jump in the desired direction.


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                              • Profile picture of the author tpw
                                Originally Posted by Sleika View Post

                                trolling, are you kidding me ...

                                look through my posts an tell me im " trolling " the forum
                                Originally Posted by Paul Myers View Post

                                My standard for a good post isn't really relevant. Just as your response isn't relevant to the question I asked. But then, you don't have any obligation to reply to it sensibly, and probably can't, given that it was simple trolling.

                                You need better bait, sir.


                                Paul

                                Paul dangles the best troll bait...



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              • Profile picture of the author tpw
                Originally Posted by Robert M Gouge View Post

                Your post and tone was directly trying to be dismissive and rude.
                Originally Posted by Robert M Gouge View Post

                Pretty sure Michael can handle his own confrontations on this forum. Thanks though, tpw.

                LOL Robert...

                I know Michael can handle his own confrontations.

                But, do you think that I can be so easily dismissed by you...



                p.s. Since you chose to ignore my signature spam , I thought I might let you know... My name is actually Bill.
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                • Profile picture of the author Paul Myers
                  Robert,
                  Posting for the sake of spamming your signature doesn't really help anyone.
                  You do realize, I hope, that the people who are posting that way are unlikely to read this? And the few who do are not going to care what you think on the subject?


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                  • Profile picture of the author Robert M Gouge
                    Originally Posted by Paul Myers View Post

                    Robert,You do realize, I hope, that the people who are posting that way are unlikely to read this? And the few who do are not going to care what you think on the subject?


                    Paul
                    You're probably right.

                    In hindsight, I shouldn't have made a post to try and encourage more quality discussion (as we can both see how that turned out). I should have just done what many others have done and simply gone into "lurker" mode. Or, just write off the main forum all together and stick to sub-forums.

                    I suppose I've learned my lesson though.
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                    • Profile picture of the author GMD
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                      While a little "forum combat" is good for a five minute rush, this whole thing has turned into a giant flame war.

                      Gentleman, if you're flaming you're NOT making money.

                      And the whole point of this is to make money not war.

                      Shall I insert a free use picture of a dead horse getting beaten?
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                    • Profile picture of the author Paul Myers
                      Robert,
                      In hindsight, I shouldn't have made a post to try and encourage more quality discussion (as we can both see how that turned out). I should have just done what many others have done and simply gone into "lurker" mode. Or, just write off the main forum all together and stick to sub-forums.
                      If you feel one of those would be the best response, then go with it. That's a personal preference issue.

                      That said, you and a few others in this thread might consider that the sniping is among folks who care about the forum's usefulness. The idiots who are the real problem don't give a rat's hairy tail what we think. They're as mindless in that regard as any software-based bot, and they'll keep coming as long as someone is willing to pay them.

                      They are not stressing about this discussion.


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      • Profile picture of the author Robert M Gouge
        Originally Posted by joseph7384 View Post

        Robert, your ranting about one sentence replies and then you give a one sentence reply.

        Sometimes a long drawn out post is not necessary
        I agree with you. Sometimes, a correctly worded sentence can provide more information and punch than an entire book.

        This is why, in the original post, I included examples of the types of posts I was referring to.

        The intent of this thread was not to call the Warrior Forum a bunch of sig spammers (Apparently I didn't convey this properly as posters like Michael and yourself have already come in here looking to start a fight), but to remind people (and myself) to engage in quality, informative discussion.
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        • Profile picture of the author Michael Oksa
          Originally Posted by Robert M Gouge View Post

          I agree with you. Sometimes, a correctly worded sentence can provide more information and punch than an entire book.

          This is why, in the original post, I included examples of the types of posts I was referring to.

          The intent of this thread was not to call the Warrior Forum a bunch of sig spammers (Apparently I didn't convey this properly as posters like Michael and yourself have already come in here looking to start a fight), but to remind people (and myself) to engage in quality, informative, discussion.
          ROFL! Please. Stop! You're cracking me up. My stomach is hurting from the laughter.
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          • Profile picture of the author Robert M Gouge
            Originally Posted by Michael Oksa View Post

            ROFL! Please. Stop! You're cracking me up. My stomach is hurting from the laughter.
            Laugh all you want. Just makes you look like more of an ass.

            My original post did not direct any negative connotations toward anyone except those who are spamming their sig links. Yet, for some reason, you felt the need to come in and deliberately attack my post.

            Not sure what I did to you or who pissed in your corn flakes.
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            • Profile picture of the author Michael Oksa
              Originally Posted by Robert M Gouge View Post

              Laugh all you want. Just makes you look like more of an ass.

              My original post did not direct any negative connotations toward anyone except those who are spamming their sig links. Yet, for some reason, you felt the need to come in and deliberately attack my post.

              Not sure what I did to you or who pissed in your corn flakes.
              You obviously don't know me very well, and that's fine.

              For the record, there is only one person who can EVER set the tone of a thread--and that's the person who makes the 1st post.

              I don't recall calling you names.

              I'm not angry, and I wasn't "attacking".

              I couldn't be less upset.

              All the best,
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              p.s. I was making my lengthy reply while you were making the post I just quoted. So...who the heck peed in YOUR corn flakes? LOL
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              • Profile picture of the author Robert M Gouge
                Originally Posted by Michael Oksa View Post

                You obviously don't know me very well, and that's fine.
                No, I don't. But, from your tone in this thread, it makes me glad I'm not associated with you or your businesses.

                Originally Posted by Michael Oksa View Post

                For the record, there is only one person who can EVER set the tone of a thread--and that's the person who makes the 1st post.
                In my original post I did not direct negativity toward anyone. I introduced something I viewed as a problem, gave examples to better illustrate the specifics of that problem (while not saying anything negative about any poster, individually), and closed by saying I was guilty of the problem as well and would like to encourage change.

                How that sets the tone for the smart ass, discrediting, and disrespectful comment you immediately replied with is beyond me.

                Originally Posted by Michael Oksa View Post

                I don't recall calling you names.
                You don't have to use expletives to be a jerk.

                Originally Posted by Michael Oksa View Post

                I'm not angry, and I wasn't "attacking".
                Disagree. Your post and tone was directly trying to be dismissive and rude.

                But, whatever, I've conversed with you about as much as I'll ever want to, so let's just leave it at that.
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                • Profile picture of the author Michael Oksa
                  Originally Posted by Robert M Gouge View Post

                  No, I don't. But, from your tone in this thread, it makes me glad I'm not associated with you or your businesses.



                  In my original post I did not direct negativity toward anyone. I introduced something I viewed as a problem, gave examples to better illustrate the specifics of that problem (while not saying anything negative about any poster, individually), and closed by saying I was guilty of the problem as well and would like to encourage change.

                  How that sets the tone for the smart ass, discrediting, and disrespectful comment you immediately replied with is beyond me.



                  You don't have to use expletives to be a jerk.



                  Disagree. Your post and tone was directly trying to be dismissive and rude.

                  But, whatever, I've conversed with you about as much as I'll ever want to, so let's just leave it at that.
                  Robert, life is too short to be so angry. Take a deep breath. Lighten up. Seriously, you'll feel better.

                  All the best,
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                • Profile picture of the author tpw
                  Originally Posted by Robert M Gouge View Post

                  No, I don't. But, from your tone in this thread, it makes me glad I'm not associated with you or your businesses.

                  You don't have to use expletives to be a jerk.

                  Disagree. Your post and tone was directly trying to be dismissive and rude.

                  But, whatever, I've conversed with you about as much as I'll ever want to, so let's just leave it at that.

                  WOW!!!

                  With your quick-to-venom attitude, I am also glad I am not associated with you or your businesses.

                  And after this thread, I can't imagine anyone wanting to click the links in your signature spam.

                  How about this... Log off the site for the night, then come back tomorrow when you have had a chance to cool your jets, then take another look at this thread. You might find that the first one demonstrating an attitude was not Michael.
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          • Profile picture of the author SShip
            Robert, I agree with you. The spam lately has been ridiculous and not just with one liners and sigs, the forum has been getting hit hard with spammers.

            The other major issue that's been going on is all the bickering that's been happening on this forum lately between members. The popcorn cost is getting expensive.

            We need a rant forum.
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          • Profile picture of the author Robert M Gouge
            Originally Posted by joseph7384 View Post

            We didn't come in here to start a fight but we all know that there has been a big influx of spam lately but you should have made it clear that it's newbie spam.

            You made it sound as if the forum was a free for all and everyone was behaving like that.
            I didn't say it was newbie spam because people with higher posts counts than mine are behaving in this way.

            Did I say that every person on the Warrior Forum is spamming it up? No, I did not.

            I posted this sentence followed by two brief examples:
            What is the trend? 1 word or 1 sentence responses that really do little to contribute any meaningful value to the discussion at hand.
            With the sentence above and two examples, I'm really not sure how I could have made the types of posts I was referring to any clearer.

            Those who post quality stuff, know who they are and they show it in the majority of their posts. Up until this thread, I had regarded both you, Joseph, and Michael as quality contributors to this forum.
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  • Profile picture of the author Robin Blinds
    Longer responses does not equal better
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    • Profile picture of the author GMD
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      Originally Posted by Robin Blinds View Post

      Longer responses does not equal better
      Shorter responses does not equal informative.
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    • Profile picture of the author Sleika
      I was thinking of starting a similiar thread and think your right.

      I am newbie admittedly and finding alot of the comments just sig links.

      Thats fine that alot of the seasoned warriors have been around for awhile and find the questions redundant, thats why this is the free section, its people figuring things out and trying to bounce ideas of each other while figuring things out. I do appreciate when they call out the spammers etc..

      BUT it seems like the in every thread someone starts one or two of the vets inevitably puts what the person is asking down, the circlejerk begins with thanks and how stupid is that person and the thread dies ... the newbies dont want to continue and are not getting real constructive critism

      I could care less about clickbank .. but " aleka " is informative and what you take away from it up to you but at least its thought out
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    Easy guys.
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  • Profile picture of the author webdesignnomad
    Hey Rob,
    I agree, I have seen quite a few signature "spammers" out there as of late. Although to be honest sometimes a quick, and to the point response is all that is needed, particularly with the newer members, it's best not to confuse them with too much information. It is up to the community to moderate a post for its relevance and quality.
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  • Profile picture of the author tpw
    If the poster's copy sucked, how is that a bad answer?

    You can still find plenty of people helping others on this forum. But, there are always exceptions.


    p.s. One liners do not always imply signature spam.
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    • Profile picture of the author jjbalagosa
      Originally Posted by tpw View Post

      If the poster's copy sucked, how is that a bad answer?
      Bill I've enjoyed your post over the years. Your posts on article writing and syndication have made a huge impact on my business. You have my gratitude on that.

      But when people write "You copy sucked." and just leave it at that, it's a bad answer because it doesn't help the poster improve his copy. Which is probably the reason why he wanted it critiqued in the first place.

      Maybe a word or two on why it sucked would be better.

      I would consider any of these to be good answers:
      • "Your copy sucked. Where are the proof elements? I don't even understand what you're offering. Where's the emotion?"
      • "Your grammar is horrible. If english isn't your native language, work with an english speaking writer."
      • "I had a hard time reading this. Smearing a banana on your keyboard and letting your chimp try to lick it off isn't how copy should be written."
      OK, maybe the last one is a bit of a stretch.
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    • Profile picture of the author jjbalagosa
      Hahaha!

      Sorry for the above post Robert. Couldn't help myself.

      Maybe I'm just naive. But I think there are a lot of people here that still genuinely want to help others.

      Although, I do see your point. When I asked for a critique on my sales page a while back, I specifically stated in the OP that "Your writing is crap. That is all." posts will not receive any love.
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    • Profile picture of the author Michael Oksa
      Originally Posted by joseph7384 View Post

      Here's a one liner for you, check out my sig.
      Your links aren't working.
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  • Profile picture of the author WillR
    They are an even bigger pain in the backside in the sub-forums. It's got to the point where I stay away from some sub-forums now just because it's not worth my time wading through all the spam. Then when you try to report it you have to wait 60 seconds between reporting each piece of spam so I just have to give up because I simply don't have the time for that. (I understand the time limit but it's still very annoying).

    I think so much time is wasted in this forum with the reporting and the removal of spam. I would like to see a minimum post count before signatures are allowed and also a minimum post count before people can post in the subforums. That would mean people can only post in the main discussion area until they hit maybe 50 posts and it would mean the spammers and those offering very little value are found out much quicker and removed from the forum.

    We need to remove the reason they come here which is for some quick exposure of a link.

    I'm not sure what the exact answer is but surely there has to be a better solution to reduce all the time that is currently wasted with these idiotic spammers.
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  • Profile picture of the author Kal Sallam
    I hate one liners man
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  • Profile picture of the author Michael Oksa
    Originally Posted by Robert M Gouge View Post

    I've been reading the Warrior Forum for quite a while and I must say, it's a really valuable resource for information.
    I agree. It may have its faults but it's still one of the best marketing forums around.

    However, as of late, I notice a disturbing trend that seems to growing as acceptable, and, sometimes, even encouraged by giving "thanks."

    What is the trend? 1 word or 1 sentence responses that really do little to contribute any meaningful value to the discussion at hand.
    This is where I see things differently. Most of the established members here can tell when somebody posts nothing but one-liners. You can be pretty sure that if a long-time member is thanking a "one-liner" it's because they know the poster doesn't make a habit of it. A lot of times the one-liners are meant to be funny, or are a sort of shorthand that members here understand.

    I don't know if people are tired of answering the same questions over and over,
    It can be tiring, sometimes. Other times, we just don't answer.

    or if there are just a lot of new,
    New members don't always understand the culture of our community.

    misinformed members
    We are ALL misinformed about something.

    who don't really have any value to contribute,
    Value is in the eye of the beholder. My guess is that somebody even newer really appreciates what we would consider the "same old question", because they were too afraid to ask it.

    but the one sentence responses, just for the sake of spamming the signature,
    You can't always judge intent, but I can tell you that when it's apparent, it gets reported, and the sig is either turned off or the member gets booted.

    put a bad light on this great forum.
    There are other things that do this, but you are right.

    Having to wade through hundreds and hundreds of one sentence, crappy responses just to get to a quality post is tiring and makes the forum much less useful, in my opinion.
    Perhaps you would feel better if you looked at it a different way. At least you only have to read single lines to get to the good stuff. What if spammers suddenly decided to post whole pararaphs of garbage?

    I'm not saying I always post 2000 word essay responses, I'm guilty of not going into more detail on replies too.
    I'm typically a man of few words, but I make my points. I bet the average length of my responses is around 100 to 200 words, but it's the quality (hopefully) and not the quantity that matters.

    As such, I've stopped replying to threads as much. Because I realize it's just making the forum look like crap and isn't providing value to anyone.
    Value is not determined by length.

    So, my encouragement to all of us, if you don't have any legitimate, constructive comments to add to a post, don't reply.
    What qualifies as legitimate? Constructive? Who decides?

    Posting for the sake of spamming your signature doesn't really help anyone.
    And,when it's noticed, it gets reported.

    I would like to add what I think is really going on: This is NOT a new phenomenon, but what IS new is your awareness of it. Now that you ARE aware of it, it suddenly seems to be a rampant problem.

    Have a good weekend, Warriors.
    You, too, Robert.

    All the best,
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    Use seo....
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  • Profile picture of the author centurion81
    I was literally just commenting about this on another thread ---

    it's gotten really bad the last 3 or 4 months.

    I see people who have been members for 1 month but have like 500+ posts.
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    • Profile picture of the author The Real Deal
      Originally Posted by GMD View Post

      If members have posted informative information in regards to questions asked previously, then those people should post a link to the thread where that reply was given
      I think this is a great suggestion, although it seems that posts with links to old posts get nuked a lot...perhaps it's because people find it annoying when old posts re-surface? Maybe threads can be automatically locked after a certain time period instead?

      I think Alexa does this in a great way, and her posts always seem to stick... She gives enough information to answer the question and then links to old posts for those who wants more in-depth information.

      Originally Posted by WillR View Post

      We need to remove the reason they come here which is for some quick exposure of a link.
      Yes, wouldn't it be better to just remove the free sig links completely?

      Charge like $500 per year or something for a sig link, so only those who contribute a lot of valuable information on a regular basis would benefit from them? Maybe $100/year would be enough to weed out the worst spammers?

      Originally Posted by Robert M Gouge View Post

      I didn't say it was newbie spam because people with higher posts counts than mine are behaving in this way.
      I agree, what's up with all the smart-ass oneliner replies? I thought we were all here to help each other and benefit from our different experiences... :confused:

      Once in a while it's funny to read a funny sarcastic comment, but it seems to have turned into a trend that loads of people have jumped on to.

      If the question is too stupid to deserve an answer, why not just refrain from answering?
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  • Profile picture of the author Mark Singletary
    Everyone here knows what you are talking about. Things like "I agree. Great post." when those are typical of all the poster's comments and when they have a signature.

    There is a guy, Randall Magwood, whose 5 line signature is about 3 lines more than 99% of his posts. I do not believe his 1-2 liners are for the signature only. Of course I could be wrong but I don't get that impression.

    There are also 1000s of questions that don't need much explaining: Who owns this forum? Who is the best host? Should I choose to optimize for Bing or Google? What's your best money making strategy? What should I do if I need to make money today? Etc. Etc. Etc.

    No one disputes the signature spam problem. I report them when it's obvious.

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  • Profile picture of the author TerranceCharles
    It could be a combination of many things, same questions that's already been answered, some post requires a longer explanation some don't. But, a longer response doesn't necessarily mean it's useful or correct. You can still answer a question in a sentence if needed. It depends on the post what my length of response would be, I like to get straight to the POINT as possible, no extra fluff to make the post seem valuable
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  • Profile picture of the author cooler1
    A lot of sig spam is because people are trying to reach the 50 post count to send PMs, that as well as showing their signature. To solve this;

    1. Only allow a signature for members who have at least 50 posts.

    2. Have a spam report button, which is different from the regular report post button. This would allow one-click reporting of spam posts without requiring the time to give a reason why you have reported the post.

    This spam report button would only report posts if the member has under 50 posts, to lessen the possibility of non spam posts being reported.
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  • Profile picture of the author icoachu
    I wonder if any of the 300+ views generated any sales for OP? /wink
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  • Profile picture of the author Dan Grossman
    Take a bunch of developing countries and hook 'em up to the internet in ever-growing numbers.

    Take a bunch of people in developed countries that start offering to pay USD for "forum posting" services.

    Add them together and what do you get?

    A couple hundred thousand new people in the past few years looking to make a buck online, with little experience, many of them being paid by others to join forums. Every "webmaster" forum saw this same influx of primarily English-as-a-second-language speakers in the past few years. There was no easy answer to maintaining the same community as when the audiences were primarily US/UK/CA/AU for many years before that... people in a totally different market with totally different cultures.

    What's surprising is not that many WF threads are full of accounts that never offer a single post of substance, but that everyone else stuck around anyway. Other forums have essentially been killed by it (see: SitePoint, where I made over 20k posts before getting tired of the spam and moving on), but WF is still active as ever.

    I wish there was an easy way to maintain the same level of discussion quality as in the past... I don't know that there is other than very heavy-handed moderation (banning every account that responds to every thread with "thanks for this share1!!" or "do more SEO and article posting!").
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  • Profile picture of the author TheBigDoggy
    Some posts in this very thread is also an example
    Also, ask new members to TRY TO USE THE SEARCH FUNCTION.
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  • Profile picture of the author kencalhn
    listen to Paul Myers. he's always right on so many levels when it comes to WF issues, and a lot of other stuff too for that matter. he's a voice of reason, amidst the chaos. for many many many years. Paul's worth paying close careful attention to. (thx)
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  • Profile picture of the author mikeink
    Must be election time in the USA, or other countries this year.

    You all sound like politicans, except for 3or6 of you all.

    Maybe your are a bunch of 5 or 7 year olds.

    Sorry guys, lets shake hands and do your thing like???????

    He said this
    she was not misbehaving
    I did not mean that

    Sarcasm is over.
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    Well let me see. OH yea need to start work on my ???????? again.
    Been working for slave wages to long.

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    • Profile picture of the author Sleika
      ok paul, not freaking trollin

      contribute when i can
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