keyword-keyword.com or keywordkeyword.org?

15 years ago

Allen I definitely remember what you are talking about and really i wish it was still like that, but of course there is no way to regulate it.

Anyboyd have thoughts?

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testaccount9998

15 years ago

Thanks Rich,

I would just buy keywordkeyword.com but of course it is already taken and parked.

I guess I will go with keyword-keyword.com because this is only going to be a niche site, I am not going to build a full fledged business around it, and I doubt that I will have many return visitors that will be typing in the domain in their browser.

-Rebtl

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shakti2u

15 years ago

I always feel that .com is better. It's just easier to remember because that's what we expect. Also, I think keywordkeyword is easier for people to remember because it's like a complete thought and easier to remember. But, if it isn't available, then definitely go with keyword-keyword.com.

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Alminc

15 years ago

I purchased a domain name keyword1-keyword2-keyword3.com
1 hour ago and I was happy until I read this thread.

These are 3 strong keywords and there is no chance to buy
any tld without dashes.

Shell I trash or keep it ?

Almin

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TheRichJerksNet

15 years ago

Originally Posted by Alminc

I purchased a domain name keyword1-keyword2-keyword3.com
1 hour ago and I was happy until I read this thread.

These are 3 strong keywords and there is no chance to buy
any tld without dashes.

Shell I trash or keep it ?

Almin

Almin,
I would use it to my full advantage.. If you feel that strong about the name though I would register the .net to protect it..

James

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Taylor French

15 years ago

I've had domains with three keywords separated by dashes do very well, but not so much in Google. They can do very well in MSN, but it's harder to get them to perform in Google, at least in my experience.

Originally Posted by Alminc

I purchased a domain name keyword1-keyword2-keyword3.com
1 hour ago and I was happy until I read this thread.

These are 3 strong keywords and there is no chance to buy
any tld without dashes.

Shell I trash or keep it ?

Almin

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testaccount9998

15 years ago

Alminc I would imagine you are fine. My question was more about .com versus .org than it was about dashes.

Though for yours being so long I woulnd't count on a lot of direct traffic via people typing it in their browsers. That is the only downside of using dashes.

But for keyword niche sites, its fine (that seems to be the consensus of this thread afterall)

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Steadyon

15 years ago

Originally Posted by TheRichJerksNet

.com will always be better .. as mentioned by Allen .org is for non-profit and many many see that as non-profit and always will.

James

Not necessarily.

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TheRichJerksNet

15 years ago

Originally Posted by Steadyon

Not necessarily.

Well I have been building websites for over 15 years and I can tell you now a .com will be checked before any .net .info .org .us and etc.. Even when a .com is used the .net is normally checked also, thus why I suggest getting them both.

You would be surprised at the domain name sets I own because I want to protect what I have and not let others feed off my traffic.

And as said many times before a .org was meant for non-profit and that is exactly what people will see it as. I dont care if you are the most well respected marketer on planet earth, you advertise a .org you can bet your bottom line the .com will be checked by that same visitor. If that visitor thinks .org as non-profit and .com has a similar product for sale, guess who they are going to do business with ???

I will tell you now, the .com owner because that visitor will see the .org as trying to be used as a for profit site and that will cause a light switch to be turned on in their head...

Think about it ...

James

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Steadyon

15 years ago

Originally Posted by TheRichJerksNet

Well I have been building websites for over 15 years and I can tell you now a .com will be checked before any .net .info .org .us and etc.. Even when a .com is used the .net is normally checked also, thus why I suggest getting them both.

You would be surprised at the domain name sets I own because I want to protect what I have and not let others feed off my traffic.

And as said many times before a .org was meant for non-profit and that is exactly what people will see it as. I dont care if you are the most well respected marketer on planet earth, you advertise a .org you can bet your bottom line the .com will be checked by that same visitor. If that visitor thinks .org as non-profit and .com has a similar product for sale, guess who they are going to do business with ???

I will tell you now, the .com owner because that visitor will see the .org as trying to be used as a for profit site and that will cause a light switch to be turned on in their head...

Think about it ...

James

I agree with what you are saying, but very often for a certain niche, a good
.com will be unavailable.

Yes you can add a few words and try to turn it into a .com, but often the
short, punchy .com hasn't even been developed.

So far better to get a great .org developed in the search engines than a
less well worded and hyphenated .com in my opinion.

So what if you send some traffic somewhere else?

When you do actually get people to your .org site you should be able to get
them back if you have done a proper job on the site itself.

Yes, in an ideal world a .com is best, but in reality this isn't always
practical.

For example, I would sooner own and develop:

www.weightloss.org

than

www.weight-loss-for-chubby-people.com

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TheRichJerksNet

15 years ago

Originally Posted by Steadyon

Yes, in an ideal world a .com is best, but in reality this isn't always
practical.

For example, I would sooner own and develop:

www.weightloss.org

than

www.weight-loss-for-chubby-people.com

I agree in that case I would go for the .org or I could do a little searching and come up with - weightlosspanels.com and use it instead of the .org

Personally I do not use dashes in my domain names, I take the time to search and think about what I am doing. You do not always need to slap keywords in your domain names either.

I wonder how long that domain name will stay available since I posted it here...lol

James

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Steadyon

15 years ago

Originally Posted by TheRichJerksNet

I take the time to search and think about what I am doing.

James

It always amazes me how little time most people are willing to spend in trying to come up with good domain names.

From my experience, most give up once they see some of the "top" .com domains have been taken.

It's a bit like saying, "weightloss.com has gone, so there's no point entering that niche"!!!

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TheRichJerksNet

15 years ago

Originally Posted by Steadyon

It always amazes me how little time most people are willing to spend in trying to come up with good domain names.

From my experience, most give up once they see some of the "top" .com domains have been taken.

It's a bit like saying, "weightloss.com has gone, so there's no point entering that niche"!!!

This is very true .... It took me all of 10 minutes to find that domain name I posted..lol

James

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Daisuke

15 years ago

If keywordkeyword.com is taken then make it keyword-keyword.com, they both rank well. keywordkeyword.com makes it easier for your visitors to remember.

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GeorgR.

15 years ago

.org is actually great, i would take the .org

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Daisuke

15 years ago

I suggest always getting a .com domain since most people have it and so more people remember it better. Like how most people always used Google so they're always going to use Google, it's like an addiction. And most people are familiar with .com so they're going to use that more often and some people might make a mistake if it's .net, .org, .info, etc..

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Craig Fenton

15 years ago

Hi Rebtl:

Is there a way of getting the best of both worlds? The dot com is preferred if available but can you work on the domain name to avoid any of these:
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Best of luck!

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askloz

15 years ago

I disagree, it has absolutely no bearing on where you rank, .com is not better than .org, and .org is not better than .com, they're all treated the same. However, .coms are filtered for the .com google search engine mostly, .co.uk domains are filtered mainly for .co.uk google search engine, and so on.

.org's, are freely added to all search engines filters since .org does not represent a country!

Originally Posted by TheRichJerksNet

.com will always be better .. as mentioned by Allen .org is for non-profit and many many see that as non-profit and always will. As for the dash it does not matter as much as most think it does.

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TheRichJerksNet

15 years ago

Originally Posted by askloz

I disagree, it has absolutely no bearing on where you rank, .com is not better than .org, and .org is not better than .com, they're all treated the same. However, .coms are filtered for the .com google search engine mostly, .co.uk domains are filtered mainly for .co.uk google search engine, and so on.

.org's, are freely added to all search engines filters since .org does not represent a country!

I did not mention nothing about ranking. What I did say is .com will always be better, it more known and thus will always be better.. People worry too much about ranking this and ranking that. Do you realize that there are so many other ways to advertise a site without spending all your time on trying to rank in a search engine ??

It does not matter what the search engine does, what matters is what your visitor thinks. Facts are facts and those can not be changed no matter how much we wish they was. A .org will always be seen as non-profit by many people...

James

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TrevorB 15 years ago

Hey

What about .co.uk domains as I am in the UK, they seem to be available sometimes. Or any other country domains come to that.

Do they have any chance at all of being Google ranked in the US ? If correct SEO is done?
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JamesFraze

15 years ago

There are 3 factors to consider:

1. if it's a .org will you be asking people to donate? You might get more donations than a .com
2. if it's a site-name-like-this.com it will work fine for search engines, if that's all you care about.
3. if it's a site-name-like-this.com and you try to tell someone over the phone what it is will it make sense? Do you plan on radio advertising ever?

The only real consideration to dash or not dash is if you will be using it for search engines only, or if you expect humans to speak your domain out loud.

.com is likely better for other reasons too:
some search engines and directories will not allow anything except a .com
.com has the "reputation" of being a business, is that what you want?

I have plenty of sites with dashes, and like others have said - if you can get a short keyword name:

fastcars.com that's better than something longer, but it's simply not always possible.

Don't get caught up on the little stuff and instead just focus on getting a site that has pages up and makes money - details are the things that get in the way of actually making the money.

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Shlomi Khutoretsky

15 years ago

Originally Posted by Rebtl

My question is simple, or maybe it doesn't even matter.

Should I buy a domain that is:

keyword-keyword.com

or

keywordkeyword.org

(The real question here: is a .com with dashes better than a .org without?)

This will be a niche site. I think that return visitors, or at least visitors who would type the site name in their browser would probably be minimal.

Thanks for any tips

-Rebtl

From what i know .com always show higher, but i may be wrong

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askloz 15 years ago

I have LOADS of .orgs, cos they're cheaper, and still rank higher than .com's, only cos I've done SEO on them.

Originally Posted by articlerelated

From what i know .com always show higher, but i may be wrong
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Matt Bard

15 years ago

hmmm...wonder how a test of keywordkeyword.com, keyword-keyword.com, keywordkeyword.org, and keyword-keyword.org would come out.

Same exact page html, graphics, the works. Identical pages created at the same time all registered at the same time and uploaded and submitted approximately the same time.

Can be done with a very low compettion keyword.

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TheRichJerksNet

15 years ago

Originally Posted by Matthew Maiden

hmmm...wonder how a test of keywordkeyword.com, keyword-keyword.com, keywordkeyword.org, and keyword-keyword.org would come out.

Same exact page html, graphics, the works. Identical pages created at the same time all registered at the same time and uploaded and submitted approximately the same time.

Can be done with a very low compettion keyword.

Mathew,
We will await your case study ...

James

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