The most valuable lessons you have learned in IM so far - In 3 short sentences...

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In 3 short sentences, say what you have learned in IM so far - the most profound ones.

Mine are:
  • Niches are needs, Not groups of people.
  • Find the need and pain, solve it.
  • Money is in the buyer's list.
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    Just one - Pick something (topic, niche) you're genuinely interested in and passionate about. It won't seem like work. The rest will follow.
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  • Profile picture of the author CDarklock
    - Most people are lying sacks of crap and don't care
    - Honour and integrity don't mean anything to anyone anymore
    - There is no such thing as loyalty or commitment in this industry

    It is, of course, entirely up to you whether you want to beat them or join them.
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    • Profile picture of the author DianaHeuser
      Originally Posted by CDarklock View Post

      - Most people are lying sacks of crap and don't care
      - Honour and integrity don't mean anything to anyone anymore
      - There is no such thing as loyalty or commitment in this industry

      It is, of course, entirely up to you whether you want to beat them or join them.

      I disagree CD. That's a total generalisation because most of the people that I have dealt with here have been the exact opposite of what you described above.

      I recently had an incident where I was in a JV with someone and they got greedy and thought they could make more money without me. So be it!

      But I am not going allow it to poison my mind and let it fester for months and months. It's done. I will never do business with them again and I will continue to make a success of my own business.

      Let it go and do something SPECTACULAR now!!!

      Di
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      • Profile picture of the author CDarklock
        Originally Posted by DianaHeuser View Post

        I disagree CD.
        Are you honestly suggesting that you know better than I do what the most important things I have learned are?
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        • Profile picture of the author Joseph Robinson
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          Originally Posted by CDarklock View Post

          Are you honestly suggesting that you know better than I do what the most important things I have learned are?
          No one's lessons are universal truths that must be accepted. That goes for you, Di, myself, Cthuhlhu, anyone. People can agree or disagree as they choose (I'm with Di and disagree), they were put on a public forum where people have the ability to reply after all .
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          • Profile picture of the author fin
            Originally Posted by Joseph Robinson View Post

            No one's lessons are universal truths that must be accepted. That goes for you, Di, myself, Cthuhlhu, anyone. People can agree or disagree as they choose (I'm with Di and disagree), they were put on a public forum where people have the ability to reply after all .
            Oh-oh...

            *gets popcorn*
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              • Profile picture of the author Horny Devil
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                Originally Posted by JaRyCu View Post

                Dammit here we go with this popcorn thing again. Fin, I'm on a diet and I've already dropped 5 lbs in the last week...you must avoid tempting me with foods at all costs. I still have at least 55 lbs to go.

                -- j
                Better to lose a leg and get it over with quicker You'll soon be back on the popcorn.
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          • Profile picture of the author CDarklock
            Originally Posted by Joseph Robinson View Post

            People can agree or disagree as they choose
            Not with whether I've learned something, they can't. I am the one true authority on what I've learned, and you are unqualified to offer an opinion on it. All you can do is say what you have learned, about which I - in turn - am unqualified to offer an opinion.

            But there are an awful lot of complete dicks out there saying "it's about value, not money" all over the place... then refusing to deliver value because they can make more money selling crap.

            "Thanks for the review copy, this is a great product, and I'm totally going to use the hell out of your technique! But my list doesn't like being told they have to work, so I can't really promote it for you... especially when this rehashed garbage WSO is getting $3 EPCs."


            Oh, but hey, I sure am glad YOU don't have these problems. Maybe you could make a WSO about it. Just write some bullet points and stuff it up with some fluff
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            • Profile picture of the author Horny Devil
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              Originally Posted by CDarklock View Post

              - Most people are lying sacks of crap and don't care
              - Honour and integrity don't mean anything to anyone anymore
              - There is no such thing as loyalty or commitment in this industry
              Originally Posted by CDarklock View Post

              But there are an awful lot of complete dicks out there saying "it's about value, not money" all over the place... then refusing to deliver value because they can make more money selling crap.

              That's your opinion and if you feel so strongly about it why don't you just leave IM to the rest of us, and utilise your motivational skills in a more appropriate industry such as Kamikaze Pilot Training. While your at it, pi*s off to another forum and spread your poison there.

              I had posted a lengthy reply yesterday to a thread you posted entitled http://www.warriorforum.com/main-int...ur-parade.html but unfortunately got logged out and lost it. Here's a brief gist of what I intended to say:


              You quoted:

              "Hey, are you here to get into the internet marketing business?
              It's not a business.
              Look, here's how it works, okay?
              You have a product or service that is valuable. This is your offer.
              There are people who value it. That is your market.
              Marketing is presenting your offer to a market.
              Internet marketing is using the internet for marketing."


              IM IS a business. It represents an arm of your business therefore it IS your business. The rest you quoted is basic bog standard stuff that anyone knows, in any business . . . online or offline.


              You further quoted:

              There does exist a market of "stupid people who will buy any damn thing." Many of them are browsing the WSO section right now. And if you target that market, you will never be broke.

              Yet above you state:

              Originally Posted by CDarklock View Post

              - Most people are lying sacks of crap and don't care
              - Honour and integrity don't mean anything to anyone anymore
              - There is no such thing as loyalty or commitment in this industry
              . . . so you advise us to "target a market of stupid people", yet complain "honour and integrity don't mean anything to anyone" You seem very adept at contradictions.


              More words of wisdom from you:

              "There are people out there who will buy any stupid thing you can put out on the market".

              "People are stupid".


              YOU are the one who is stupid, and the handful of gullible folk who 'thanked' your post as if the words were a divine message from the messiah.


              Yet another another pearl of wisdom from you:

              "Almost every major marketer I know... and I know a lot of them; some people would even say I know them all... bitches at me for not making enough money. There are a tiny few exceptions. Colin Theriot. Paul Myers. Jason Moffat. They get it; they understand. It is not the bottom line. It is not the market. It is the offer".

              You don't have to be even part business savvy to know that what you offer is the key in business. This applies offline as well as online. So you know most major marketeers. Shame the decorum, humility and integrity most of them possess hasn't rubbed off on you a little.


              But you do realise who your market is? You say:

              "It's people. Not numbers. People. Never forget that. It's not a numbers game, ever. It's people. Conversions and time on site don't mean squat if you don't take care of the people".

              Just a shame you "take care of them" in your own inimitable way by referring to them as "stupid people".


              At least you had the decency to admit:

              I'm really drunk.

              . . . which, judging by your posts, you are most of the time.


              Anyway, I digress. Back to the thread question in hand. "The most valuable lessons you have learned in IM so far in 3 short sentences".

              1. Treat others how you would expect to be treated yourself on your way to the top because you never know who you'll meet if you're on the way down.

              2. Seek, read, look, and ask for advice, but ultimately stand by your own instincts and convictions.

              3. As the saying goes, "Rome wasn't built in a day", and everything takes time, so better to be thorough and late than arrive at the table unprepared and early.





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            • Profile picture of the author Joseph Robinson
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              Originally Posted by CDarklock View Post

              Not with whether I've learned something, they can't. I am the one true authority on what I've learned, and you are unqualified to offer an opinion on it. All you can do is say what you have learned, about which I - in turn - am unqualified to offer an opinion.

              But there are an awful lot of complete dicks out there saying "it's about value, not money" all over the place... then refusing to deliver value because they can make more money selling crap.

              "Thanks for the review copy, this is a great product, and I'm totally going to use the hell out of your technique! But my list doesn't like being told they have to work, so I can't really promote it for you... especially when this rehashed garbage WSO is getting $3 EPCs."



              Oh, but hey, I sure am glad YOU don't have these problems. Maybe you could make a WSO about it. Just write some bullet points and stuff it up with some fluff
              Nobody questioned whether or not you actually learned those lessons. Di was merely stating that she disagreed. If you don't want your POV to be argued against or questioned at all, keep it in your head.

              And yes, I am well aware that people pulled out on your product. The story is widespread, and pretty old now if I remember correctly. The Mind Warriors section might be great for helping you learn to let it go.

              Also, everything the Devil said. Great time for the thanks to come back.
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              • Profile picture of the author CDarklock
                Originally Posted by Horny Devil View Post

                IM IS a business.

                IM is a business the way driving is a business. Many businesses require driving to operate, but that does not make them "the driving business."


                Even when the primary component of the business is driving - like, say, being a New York City cabbie - you are not at any time getting paid for just driving around. You drive around DOING SOMETHING. If you don't do that, you don't get paid.


                Pretending there exists a "driving business" where you get paid for just driving around is a load of bollocks. But that's what a lot of those lying sacks of crap are selling.


                The rest you quoted is basic bog standard stuff that anyone knows, in any business . . . online or offline.

                And yet, here you are complaining that internet marketing IS SO a business. If it's "bog standard" to understand that internet marketing in and of itself does not comprise a business, why are you complaining?


                . . . so you advise us to "target a market of stupid people",

                I did not advise any such thing. I simply observed that if you do this, you will never be broke. It is up to your own personal sense of morality to decide between "I had better go do that" and "that would be wrong."


                yet complain "honour and integrity don't mean anything to anyone" You seem very adept at contradictions.

                No, not really. I say something will make you more money, and you think that's advice to go do it.


                This is because you expected "this makes more money" to be synonymous with "you should go do this." Because honour and integrity are meaningless in this industry. Most people do, indeed, mean "you should go do this" when they say it will make you more money. If you question their motives or intentions, they look at you like some sort of weird bug.


                Legal? Ethical? Moral? What part of "more money" are you not getting?


                Well, mostly the part where I should do it. I don't think "can" and "should" are the same thing. That's where loyalty and commitment come in - you always can run off and promote some other product that will make you more money, but when that means you have to turn your back on prior commitments, you probably shouldn't.


                Just a shame you "take care of them" in your own inimitable way by referring to them as "stupid people".

                I don't market to stupid people. If I did, I would make a lot more money.


                Originally Posted by Joseph Robinson View Post

                The Mind Warriors section might be great for helping you learn to let it go.
                Trust takes time to rebuild. This industry has lost mine. It will be a long and difficult uphill battle to earn it back.
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                • Profile picture of the author fin
                  Darklock,

                  I don't understand why you don't just choose another niche.

                  The way you write will certainly get you a good following and if you can sell in IM you could sell in anything.
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                  • Profile picture of the author CDarklock
                    Originally Posted by fin View Post

                    I don't understand why you don't just choose another niche.
                    This is kind of like telling someone "I don't understand why you don't just get a different degree" when they can't find a job in their chosen field.

                    I'm not looking in that field because I got the degree. I got the degree because I wanted to be in that field. I don't want to go start the whole process over in something I don't even want to do.

                    Ultimately, this is just a question of time. It will take longer; that's all. And I've rearranged stuff in a way that it doesn't matter how long it takes. Sure, I'd be happier if it happened faster, and yeah - I'm kind of mad at all the people who promised to help and then didn't keep that promise. But the system I'm developing has been in development for almost ten years... long before I had any real plans to make it into the kind of product it's going to be. Walking away from it is not really an option that works for me. It never was about the money, and it never will be. I've spent about two years thinking that I can actually make this thing work, and a little over a year having a pretty solid plan to make that happen.

                    Relying on other people is no longer part of that plan, but that just means there's a new plan. It's a plan where I do a lot more work and don't have things done on the same schedule, but the song remains the same.
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                    • Profile picture of the author fin
                      Originally Posted by CDarklock View Post

                      This is kind of like telling someone "I don't understand why you don't just get a different degree" when they can't find a job in their chosen field.

                      I'm not looking in that field because I got the degree. I got the degree because I wanted to be in that field. I don't want to go start the whole process over in something I don't even want to do.

                      Ultimately, this is just a question of time. It will take longer; that's all. And I've rearranged stuff in a way that it doesn't matter how long it takes. Sure, I'd be happier if it happened faster, and yeah - I'm kind of mad at all the people who promised to help and then didn't keep that promise. But the system I'm developing has been in development for almost ten years... long before I had any real plans to make it into the kind of product it's going to be. Walking away from it is not really an option that works for me. It never was about the money, and it never will be. I've spent about two years thinking that I can actually make this thing work, and a little over a year having a pretty solid plan to make that happen.

                      Relying on other people is no longer part of that plan, but that just means there's a new plan. It's a plan where I do a lot more work and don't have things done on the same schedule, but the song remains the same.
                      I'm sure you can be around to pick up the 99% of people that use rubbish products and fail for years without making a penny.
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                • Profile picture of the author Horny Devil
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                  @CDarklock

                  Just another utter load of rubbish you've posted. Don't you know it's impossible to defend your paper house from fire. I'm sure there are many who will read between the lines and realise the exact type of person you are.

                  I stand by everything I said earlier in the thread and have no wish to get into further personal debate with you. Firstly because your sort never admit they are wrong about anything, and secondly drunken ramblings don't challenge my intellect enough.

                  Now perhaps you'll go sleep off the drink a little and let the thread return to it's original intention.
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                  • Profile picture of the author CDarklock
                    Originally Posted by Horny Devil View Post

                    I'm sure there are many who will read between the lines and realise the exact type of person you are.
                    I'm pretty plain-spoken, and I'm not the least bit afraid to say what I mean and mean what I say. So if you're reading between the lines, you're really just making stuff up.
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                      • Profile picture of the author tpw
                        Originally Posted by JaRyCu View Post

                        I've got to step in for a second and ask a question here:

                        What happened?? I remember reading a bunch of your posts back in the spring, and none of them seemed quite this angry and full of vitriol. I saw a post yesterday where you detailed some of the tragedies (my word, not yours) that your life's course has dragged you through. I assume that you went through all of that this year, but it's only an assumption as I don't remember reading a timeline in there.

                        In the IM industry, there are "me people" and "us people".

                        In other words, some people are focused on "me, me, me", to the exclusion of all others.

                        Other folks who speak in the "us dialect" actually see the world in the "us POV" and see the greatest opportunity in life in the relationships that they build with others.

                        When I notice the "me people", I cut them from my life and refocused my attention of the "us people".

                        When Caliban noticed the "me people", he decided that everyone was a "me person", and his attitude towards life flew south for entire year and indefinite future.

                        Yeah, he got burned by a few people he really trusted.

                        But rather than to move on with his life, looking to build relationships with new people, he chose to wallow in his self-pity.

                        It is a shame really...

                        Caliban is a sharp person and a talented individual with a lot of potential -- potential that many people see in him, but he cannot see in himself.

                        Of course, my post is really going to annoy him :p, because he doesn't like others to answer questions for him or to describe what appears to be going on his head...

                        Never mind that there are people rooting for him to get past the self-pity and realize his true potential...

                        Caliban is perfectly willing to help others, so long as he is not expected to try to help himself. And so long as we are willing to accept that, then we will get along with him just fine.
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                        • Profile picture of the author CDarklock
                          Originally Posted by fin View Post

                          I'm sure you can be around to pick up the 99% of people that use rubbish products and fail for years without making a penny.
                          Most of those people actually like it that way.

                          They do not actually want to start a business. They want to entertain themselves with the fantasy that they will start a business. That's why they will buy a WSO about mobile one day, and about WordPress the next, and about CPA the next.

                          They have no idea what they're doing or how to fit the pieces together. They just want the rush of buying a thing about starting a business, followed by the excitement of consuming the product. And when the dopamine high is gone the next day, they go back for another fix.

                          There's nothing wrong with this. It's no different than me and my drinking. I like to drink, I like to be drunk, but it doesn't actually solve any of my problems and I have no illusions about that. Similarly, buying random products that make you excited will never build you a business.

                          Originally Posted by JaRyCu View Post

                          I saw a post yesterday where you detailed some of the tragedies (my word, not yours) that your life's course has dragged you through. I assume that you went through all of that this year, but it's only an assumption as I don't remember reading a timeline in there.
                          Nah, the last few months has been pretty uneventful and the worst thing that has happened to me is needing to eat ramen more often than I'd like.

                          Don't let the anger and pain you've been through destroy you
                          I cannot be destroyed. It takes a nation of millions to hold me back.

                          Originally Posted by tpw View Post

                          Of course, my post is really going to annoy him :p, because he doesn't like others to answer questions for him or to describe what appears to be going on his head...
                          I think you're a little inaccurate there, but you're close.

                          I do have a tremendous amount of potential, but unlocking it is something that I feel generally incapable of doing myself. I feel like I reach my greatest potential in partnership with others, so I always try to unlock that potential by seeking such partnerships.

                          All of the me-people I've gone to for help have been ostensibly us-people, which is why I went to them. I trusted them to be what they appeared to be; esse quam videre. Then they turned out to be me-people. Now I can't easily trust people who claim to be us-people. I know that there are real us-people out there, but I feel incapable of identifying them, and I've gotten very risk-averse in this arena.

                          Risk aversion is something a lot of people focus on excessively. I may very well be overly risk-averse at the present time. I am aware of this possibility but cannot objectively evaluate it.

                          Similarly, it is extraordinarily difficult for me to stretch out and do much of anything without a partnership arrangement. I have stuff to do, it's just very difficult for me to do it because I have to do it alone.

                          There's someone buried inside me that can do this stuff alone. I'm digging for him. Just haven't struck paydirt yet.

                          Caliban is perfectly willing to help others, so long as he is not expected to try to help himself.
                          Yeah, that's kind of the thing. I'm mostly all spiky and bitchy about having to help myself. On some level, I feel like it's really unfair that I have to, after all the help I've given others.

                          There's supposed to be this "karma" thing going on here, or something. The principle of reciprocity. But instead, I get the business version of "I don't see no ring on this finger" every time I turn to anyone for help.

                          I'm just all out of trust. And I started with an awful lot of it, so people had to be some pretty outrageous douchebags to deplete it.

                          On another note, it's terribly funny to me that I post this kind of stuff all the time and people still think they need to read between the lines.

                          TL;DR version: People suck.
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                          • Profile picture of the author tpw
                            Originally Posted by CDarklock View Post

                            I do have a tremendous amount of potential, but unlocking it is something that I feel generally incapable of doing myself. I feel like I reach my greatest potential in partnership with others, so I always try to unlock that potential by seeking such partnerships.

                            I used to think that way also: co-dependent.

                            But one day I woke up and realized that the only person I can count on is me, and so I went forward relying only on me, although welcoming those who were sincerely interested to have a real "us relationship".

                            Even today, I am slow to trust, but fully committed once I do.


                            Originally Posted by CDarklock View Post

                            All of the me-people I've gone to for help have been ostensibly us-people, which is why I went to them. I trusted them to be what they appeared to be; esse quam videre.

                            I still don't speak Latin, and I am too lazy to look it up. :p
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                            • Profile picture of the author CDarklock
                              Originally Posted by tpw View Post

                              But one day I woke up and realized that the only person I can count on is me
                              I believe I remember that day.

                              I'm currently operating under the assumption that my next launch (scheduled for end of October, but I seriously doubt that is happening) will require every single task to be done by me and only me. This involves a lot of things I do not want to do, and a lot of things I am not good at doing, but it will demonstrate the minimum performance level I can expect. If all else fails, I can always do at least this well, all by myself. And that limits my risk rather dramatically, which should similarly decrease the aversion and make it easier to reach out for partnerships in the future.

                              I still don't speak Latin, and I am too lazy to look it up. :p
                              "It is what you see." Frequently translated as "to be rather than to seem," but as a legal principle it's generally applied when the true nature of something is confusing, and the judiciary stipulates that it will be treated as what it is presented to be rather than what it actually is.

                              For example, if someone advertises a lottery, then gets charged with operating an illegal lottery and mounts the defense that it's technically not a lottery... the judge can say "we don't care what it is, you called it a lottery and we will treat it as one." This is usually because the statute says you can't operate a "lottery, raffle, or other system in which blah blah blah" and the defendant says blah blah blah doesn't apply. But he called it a lottery, so it's a lottery, and the law says no lottery so go directly to jail.

                              (This is not legal advice.)

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    • Profile picture of the author Deepak Media
      Originally Posted by CDarklock View Post

      - Most people are lying sacks of crap and don't care
      - Honour and integrity don't mean anything to anyone anymore
      - There is no such thing as loyalty or commitment in this industry

      It is, of course, entirely up to you whether you want to beat them or join them.
      I agree with you. "Cheating" is no longer seen as a big problem because of the mindset - 'everyone is doing it'.

      This is a good read on the topic: Winners Never Cheat: Even in Difficult Times,New...Winners Never Cheat: Even in Difficult Times,New... (non aff)
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    1. You're responsible for your own business.
    2. The U.S. Government taxes this stuff.
    3. Nobody does anything with the lessons I learned.
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  • Profile picture of the author Maui Joe
    1. Don't start off as an affiliate.
    2. Concentrate on [non-MMO] copy above all else.
    3. There will always be MMO buyer's market if all else fails :p
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  • Profile picture of the author stefanuskusuma
    1. Find an evergreen market to promote, e.g.: make money online, weight loss, etc

    2. Build an effective sales funnel (squeeze page, special one-time offer, high-quality affiliate products and follow up emails)

    3. Drive traffic to your website
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  • Profile picture of the author jazbo
    1. Don't believe most of the claims on forums like this.
    2. Read, learn, test.
    3. Do.
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  • Profile picture of the author ComputerGirl
    I would have two to add:
    1. Never give up on your sites, even if you are not getting sales yet, or even after a longer time of period (for somebody it takes even a year to get a first sale, if I remember correctly for me those were more than 6 months to get the first sale);
    2. Do not put all eggs in one basket (by that I mean not only to put everything on one site, but even on one affiliate network, it always is safer if you have more sources of income especially if you already have quit your day job)
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  • Profile picture of the author sirtiman
    1. Fast cash on fiverr
    2. Outsource to save more time
    3. Passive income with list building and autoblog
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  • Profile picture of the author WebPen
    1. Working harder leads to working smarter
    2. Most people learn 95% of the time, and learn 5% of the time. Flip that around.
    3. Relationships > technical, copywriting, traffic, ANYTHING.
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  • Profile picture of the author Websmartbiz
    1. Always work as hard as you need to be the best at what you do.
    2. Always overdeliver.
    3. Be adaptable.
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  • Profile picture of the author mizesean
    Originally Posted by Deepak Media View Post

    In 3 short sentences, say what you have learned in IM so far - the most profound ones.

    Mine are:
    • Niches are needs, Not groups of people.
    • Find the need and pain, solve it.
    • Money is in the buyer's list.
    Ditto, ditto!

    Here's mine:

    1) Focus on finding PEOPLE with specific needs, NOT driving traffic
    2) Once you find the people, meet their needs
    3) On the optimization side of things: focus on conversion, long term relationships so people buy again and again, then once the backend is in place, focus on scaling the business by finding MORE sources of the same people who have the NEED.
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  • Profile picture of the author KaplanT4
    - Learn the fundamentals of salesmanship. Everything else is temporary and relevant only in the current landscape.
    - The easiest and most effortless way to sell is to find what people want and show them how to get it.
    - People want experiences, not your product.

    These lessons aren't exclusive to internet marketing, but I learnt them through internet marketing, as it was the medium through which I first got exposed to and stimulated to learn sales and marketing.

    I've always been interested in learning the "permanent" stuff that I can carry with me even if I woke up in the middle of the street one day because a tornado wrecked my whole town while I was sleeping and took my house with it (a very deep sleep), or was teleported back 500 years. I've never been deeply interested in areas such as SEO which is never in my hands and non transferable.
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  • Profile picture of the author John Romaine
    1. 99% of what you read on this forum is BS
    2. The other 1% is funny
    3. Make that 99.5% and 0.5%
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  • Profile picture of the author tpw
    Build more BUY buttons.

    Build more links to your BUY buttons.

    Rinse and Repeat.
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  • Profile picture of the author XYZcontent
    The single most valuable lesson I've learned is TAKE ACTION.
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    • Profile picture of the author tpw
      Originally Posted by XYZcontent View Post

      The single most valuable lesson I've learned is TAKE ACTION.

      But, what if someone is taking the wrong action?

      If so, they might go broke instead of making money...

      If someone needs to get to the bottom of the mountain, and they hear, TAKE ACTION... If they would consider ANY ACTION to be useful, they might end up a blood spatter at the bottom of the mountain... :p
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      • Profile picture of the author Kal Sallam
        Originally Posted by tpw View Post

        But, what if someone is taking the wrong action?

        If so, they might go broke instead of making money...

        If someone needs to get to the bottom of the mountain, and they hear, TAKE ACTION... If they would consider ANY ACTION to be useful, they might end up a blood spatter at the bottom of the mountain... :p
        All sounds very good but,

        How does one determine if they are taking the right kind of action?.
        One thinks its the right type of action therefore taking it.

        In other words one wouldn't be taking action if they thought it was the wrong type of action.

        Imho,
        You would only find out if it was the right type of action when the desired results have actually been achieved...
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        • Profile picture of the author tpw
          Originally Posted by Kal Sallam View Post

          All sounds very good but,

          How does one determine if they are taking the right kind of action?.
          One thinks its the right type of action therefore taking it.

          In other words one wouldn't be taking action if they thought it was the wrong type of action.

          Imho,
          You would only find out if it was the right type of action when the desired results have actually been achieved...

          Most people who have taken the wrong action are people who read one point of view, TAKING ACTION without vetting the information they were given.

          I agree that people would not have taken the wrong action, if they understood it was the wrong action.

          But I am sure you will agree that the wrong course can be avoided, if people would only get more information, before taking the first step forward.
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          • Profile picture of the author Joseph Robinson
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            Originally Posted by tpw View Post

            Most people who have taken the wrong action are people who read one point of view, TAKING ACTION without vetting the information they were given.

            I agree that people would not have taken the wrong action, if they understood it was the wrong action.

            But I am sure you will agree that the wrong course can be avoided, if people would only get more information, before taking the first step forward.
            On top of that, people who are blindly told to take (insert massive depending on who's saying it) action often repeat their failed actions, because they've been led to believe that "it will work eventually, I just have to keep going!"
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            • Profile picture of the author Kal Sallam
              Originally Posted by Joseph Robinson View Post

              On top of that, people who are blindly told to take (insert massive depending on who's saying it) action often repeat their failed actions, because they've been led to believe that "it will work eventually, I just have to keep going!"
              One word: Research.
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              • Profile picture of the author Joseph Robinson
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                Originally Posted by Kal Sallam View Post

                One word: Research.
                There ya go, now you're getting it! So next time, instead of blindly saying "take action", say "research and take action".

                Or even better "research, take action, evaluate, and optimize".
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              • Profile picture of the author Horny Devil
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                Originally Posted by Kal Sallam View Post

                One word: Research.
                Two words: Research THOROUGHLY.
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                • Profile picture of the author Horny Devil
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                  @JosephRobinson

                  The day job avatar just don't suit somehow. I preferred the outsize dog being devoured in one. Somehow it's just you :p
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                  • Profile picture of the author Joseph Robinson
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                    Originally Posted by Horny Devil View Post

                    @JosephRobinson

                    The day job avatar just don't suit somehow. I preferred the outsize dog being devoured in one. Somehow it's just you :p
                    It needs to be updated lol. I was thinking of trying something crazy this time. Perhaps two turkey legs .
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                    • Profile picture of the author Horny Devil
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                      Originally Posted by Joseph Robinson View Post

                      It needs to be updated lol. I was thinking of trying something crazy this time. Perhaps two turkey legs .
                      Tight fit with a dog still in your mouth. Still, it's your call.
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        • Profile picture of the author quesquaya
          Originally Posted by Kal Sallam View Post

          All sounds very good but,

          How does one determine if they are taking the right kind of action?.
          One thinks its the right type of action therefore taking it.

          In other words one wouldn't be taking action if they thought it was the wrong type of action.

          Imho,
          You would only find out if it was the right type of action when the desired results have actually been achieved...
          That's it!!.. You know it's the right kind of action when it's making money...
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          • Profile picture of the author Joseph Robinson
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            Originally Posted by quesquaya View Post

            That's it!!.. You know it's the right kind of action when it's making money, or at least leading to that end goal...
            Optimized that for you. Certain actions are meant to attract leads, build relationships, stuff like that. They won't immediately result in a sale. With your sentence left "as is", it could potentially mislead a newbie into thinking these actions are not worthwhile.
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          • Profile picture of the author CDarklock
            Originally Posted by quesquaya View Post

            That's it!!.. You know it's the right kind of action when it's making money...
            Robbing banks makes money.

            Just sayin'
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  • Profile picture of the author Anticareer
    -try to read/learn as much as possible before you do.
    -stay focused on one thing and don't move on until you master it.
    -learn to adjust your gameplan as you progress because you didn't know it all when you first set your gameplan.
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  • Profile picture of the author JabMonkey
    My favorite fellow Okie IMer: Bill Platt

    Thanks for all your posted insight on this forum, Bill!
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  • Profile picture of the author Marlin Winters
    *learn
    * share
    *earn.

    learn about the product you are going to sell.
    then share it with others.
    earn money to sell the information about your product.
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  • Profile picture of the author Mark72
    1. Pay attention to what other people are doing, not what they are telling you to do

    2. Test and track everything

    3. Never give up
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  • Profile picture of the author Vadimarket
    - Stay away from the "gurus"
    - Making money online takes a lot more time and effort than everyone claims
    - Facebook PPC is crap
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  • Profile picture of the author alpinewood
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    1) It doesn't matter how good your product/service is, if nobody knows about it it's a tragic waste of talent
    2) The money will eventually come, just need to set the doubts aside
    3) Learn from the best and don't be afraid to spend money wisely on the best training products
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    • Profile picture of the author Deepak Media
      Originally Posted by alpinewood View Post

      1) It doesn't matter how good your product/service is, if nobody knows about it it's a tragic waste of talent
      2) The money will eventually come, just need to set the doubts aside
      3) Learn from the best and don't be afraid to spend money wisely on the best training products
      I agree to this. Except that the 'best training products' are difficult to find. Most are imitations.
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  • Profile picture of the author Master Dayton
    1. Act - action is critical above almost all else
    2. Find a passion that also fills a need based niche
    3. Don't get sidetracked with "research" - easiest way to get off track and never get any real work done
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  • Profile picture of the author entrepreneurjay
    Build
    email
    List

    Is that 3 short sentences?
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  • Profile picture of the author David Keith
    1. Think for yourself. If you always think others are smarter than you or have secrets you need to know then you will always be right. That doesn't mean ignore advice from reputable sources. But it does mean that you should process any and all information that you absorbed for yourself rather than blindly thinking what you read is absolute truth...it rarely is...that includes this post.

    2. Never, ever spend one penny with any "expert" who only operates in the IM niche. If they have not used their "secrets" successfully in other niches then don't give them a wooden nickle. If you find an marketing expert that makes the majority of their income selling IM products, not always, but the vast majority of the time you have found a person who either knowingly or unknowingly is leading people astray (while they make money of course). The majority of the time these same folks would starve to death marketing for a living if you told them they couldn't be in the IM niche any longer.

    3. Do more. Fail faster. you will learn faster and get smart real quick that way. Otherwise you will just be dreaming about the perfect system or scenario this time next year.
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  • Profile picture of the author Broderick Boyd
    -Merge your passion with following the money.
    -Find where the pain is where people REALLY are looking for help.
    -Practice and persist and PUT IN THE HOURS, FIND A GOOD MENTOR and you will succeed.

    Hope that helps!

    -Brody
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  • Profile picture of the author clever7
    1. You need a smart business plan based on practical knowledge.

    2. Don't put all your eggs in one basket.

    3. Sell what people want to buy.



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  • Profile picture of the author Jake Howard
    Thanks for all the tips everyone, they are great. Keep them coming.
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  • Profile picture of the author FilipinoRockstar
    *Don't tell everything you know
    *Make a ton of money
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  • Profile picture of the author Raydal
    1. If you put into practice what you learn in the first month
    you'll be more successful than chasing after new ideas for
    the rest of your IM life.

    2. If you build it they won't come.

    3. Success comes in groups. Make sure you are in the right one.

    -Ray Edwards
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  • Profile picture of the author MikeJamesStewart
    What I have learnt so far, for me.

    1. It's a numbers game. Like anything in life... the more times you do it, and keep going then the more likely something will hit.
    Ditto David Keith "3. Do more. Fail faster. you will learn faster and get smart real quick that way. Otherwise you will just be dreaming about the perfect system or scenario this time next year."

    2. Don't put too much emotion into a project. It doesn't need to be the best or a 1 hit wonder (which is hard to do). Just cast it out fast, see what happens then act further or disregard & on to the next one without even thinking about that last project. Do this as many times as you can (kind of repeated first point here but that's how strongly I believe in this)

    3. Network with real people. (Not like the people arguing in this post but in a friendly way )
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  • Profile picture of the author Alex.R
    1) "The Good".....keep doing what works.

    2) "The Bad"...... never too late to learn.

    3) " And the downright Ugly"......one to avoid.
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  • Profile picture of the author sc00byd00
    1) Drive targeted traffic
    2) Build a buyers list
    3) Rinse and repeat
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  • Profile picture of the author Joe R Piercey
    1. Your income is based on the value you provide
    2. Following one proven MMO method consistently will pay off
    3. Build a list and help solve your subscribers' problems
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  • 3 short sentences, huh? Profound Internet marketing lesson is found on the back of your shampoo bottle - lather, rinse, repeat. Lather up your readers with great copy, rinse them through an opt-in form, then repeat.
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  • Profile picture of the author Jeffery
    At some point a business may involve joint ventures. When it comes to Joint Ventures avoid partners that do not know what they are doing. Make sure the partners actually have their ducks in a row instead of assuming it. This would avoid waste at all levels.

    Jeffery 100% :-)
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  • Profile picture of the author MattStevens
    - The key is proper direction
    - failure is not a bad thing (it shows effort)
    - It's hard to soar like an eagle when you're surrounded by turkeys.
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  • Profile picture of the author theory expert
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    1. Be a master of all skills in your business, and, do it all yourself so you depend on noone.
    2. Outsource
    3.Strategic Partnerships (including advertising i.e. ppc, ppv, solo ads, etc..., use other peoples:, skillset, relationships, client list, mangament skills, etc, and, you may find yourself on the beach)

    Take your pick with any of those three and you'll be a success.
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  • Profile picture of the author Susan A
    1. Outsourcing is the only way to stop wasting your time
    2. Quality content is the king, the emperor, and the joker
    3. Stop believe everything in IM forum
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  • Profile picture of the author Chri5123
    1. You will NEVER get to the point where you can throw your hands up and say "I've made it!"

    2. You MUST enjoy IM - or the process/journey - just because you CAN make money online doesn't mean it is for you!

    3. Know your strengths and be honest about your weaknesses - outsource the work where your weaknesses are someone else's strengths.

    4. Don't be afraid to fail - learn to embrace it! People will only take note of your successes!
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  • Profile picture of the author Stuart Walker
    If you work hard you WILL make money.
    Making money online isn't usually this 'easy money making' scheme that you think it's going to be.
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  • Profile picture of the author cssbros
    1. Make your Passion your Profession
    2. Start Today
    3. Countless learning and application
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  • Profile picture of the author Don Grace
    - shit rolls downhill
    - don't lick your fingers
    - payday is Friday

    oops, that's plumbing
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  • Profile picture of the author paj_mccarthy
    1) The idea isn't as important as the execution.
    2) Fail as quickly as possible - take your idea and execute it on the smallest feasible scale to get your first customer
    3) Marketing is everything - be unique and find one small thing you can do better than anyone else rather than trying to being everything to everyone.
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    • Profile picture of the author Horny Devil
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      1. Some threads overrun and get boring.

      2. This one's got boring.

      3. Check sports channels.
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  • Profile picture of the author tylerjaysen
    the most valuable lessons I've learned....how to take responsibility for your own results...and not blame them on anyone but you...

    ...also to focus...staying on one thing to get results and not jumping around from one thing to the next.
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  • Profile picture of the author marykay77
    1. Spend a lot on advertising or at least methods of driving traffic (fail fast and learn)
    2. Test, test, test, test (a/b, ctr, cpa, etc)
    3. Make constant and never ending improvements
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    • Profile picture of the author FromBrokeToRich
      1) Find someone who is TRULY earning the type of income you want to make
      2) Join whatever business model that is working for them
      3) Do exactly what they are doing to achieve the results they are getting
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  • Profile picture of the author rockong
    -Don't buy all the "shiny objects" that promises quick success, even if it says its a blueprint
    -You'll never learn enough to feel "ready" to finally take actionable steps. You just have to DO IT and revise your failures. Rinse and repeat.
    -Have your mind constantly observing needs that you can fulfill in the IM realm - that's how you find your niche
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  • Profile picture of the author Willie Crawford
    Don't be afraid to ask

    Don't try to do everything yourself

    Focus on fewer projects, taking them all the way through to completion.
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    • Profile picture of the author Deepak Media
      Originally Posted by Willie Crawford View Post

      Don't be afraid to ask

      Don't try to do everything yourself

      Focus on fewer projects, taking them all the way through to completion.
      Golden words. Shared this on facebook!
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  • Profile picture of the author Sarevok
    Use mechanical advantage.

    Focus on one thing.

    Stop buying stuff.
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  • Profile picture of the author Diny1982
    I agree with you Lindseyc. The money is in your list like most would say.
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  • Profile picture of the author Flutter
    Attitude is everything.
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  • Profile picture of the author kevinfar
    1. Never underestimate the power of people in the business
    2. Always be taking action to be better than yesterday
    3. There is no push button to riches.
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  • Profile picture of the author joefizz
    1. Build a list.
    2. Build a list.
    3. Build a list.

    Llwyddiant!

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  • Profile picture of the author John Romaine
    1. Money loves speed.
    2. Embrace failure as a learning opportunity.
    3. Question everything.
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  • Profile picture of the author madison_avenue
    1. Always be on the lookout for problems-inefficiencies, profit opportunities, incongruities.

    2. Once you know how to do something, streamline it, make a flow chart of it and outsource it.

    3. Always be looking to automate, find and test the best tools you can, to help you do this.




    The above methods will enable you to scale your business, and leverage your content.
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    • Profile picture of the author Richard Van
      Originally Posted by rustymygrarido View Post

      1. 99% of what you read on this forum is BS
      2. The other 1% is funny
      3. Make that 99.5% and 0.5%
      I think what you mean is...

      "I'm so bored of life, I've decided to spend my time listening to BS"

      At a guess, because you only joined yesterday, I suspect this isn't your first account here.

      You sound familiar.
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      Wibble, bark, my old man's a mushroom etc...

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      • Profile picture of the author MissTerraK
        1.) Ignoring the importance of the reputation you create is detrimental to your business health.

        2.) Treat your clients with kindness and respect and you'll find they are respectful and kind right back.

        3.) To avoid burnout, you must have some fun before the setting of the sun.

        Terra
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  • Profile picture of the author Komsat
    Try A. - A didn't work!
    Try B. - B didn't work!
    Try C - Hmmm,.. how do I scale this?
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