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Is it fair that some people bump a number of offers in one go?

by marketinguk
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Hi everyone I hope you're all having a great day!

I have been thinking for a bit of time about this, but it really struck me today looking at Flippa. One guy who is selling loads of genuine premium domains has bumped a number of his listings to page 1 at one time. Check it out here: https://flippa.com/

I was thinking if I had paid the $50 for a bump 10 minutes prior to the vendor bumping a number of his listings I would have been very frustrated as I have no doubt the vendor's on Flippa must be feeling now. To bring it back to the WF, I have myself bumped my WSO in the past only to see one or two people bumping a number of their WSO's in one go causing my thread to drop down the first page very fast.

The point is I kind of feel there should be a cap on the amount of offers people can bump at one time and in fact I think it shouldn't be more then one or two maximum to give everyone a chance to get maximum exposure.

What do you think, is a cap per vendor a good idea or is that just business?

Joel
#bump #fair #number #offers #people
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    Yeah it sucks but that is life. Same thing has happened to me more often than I care for but you have to take the good with the bad.
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    • Profile picture of the author marketinguk
      Originally Posted by Resale Rights Ninja View Post

      Yeah it sucks but that is life. Same thing has happened to me more often than I care for but you have to take the good with the bad.
      It was when I saw that Flippa homepage and the same guy has bumped like 10 of his listings in a go, I mean what are you getting for your $50?

      Do you think the idea of a cap is a good one like 2 maximum for example, as it's possible for something to be done about it?

      Joel
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      • Profile picture of the author Michael Shook
        You might be better off talking to the Flippa people about it rather than posting about it here. its a good topic but all you are going to get are people's opinions and only if if they are having the same issue.

        Flippa's job is to make money for them by providing a service. if this procedure dropped their profits they would probably change it, but they just made 10 x $50 in the same space of time that you wanted your listing to stay up higher.

        It's not designed to be fair, the system is setup to make the most amount of money with the least amount of hassles. And you are not hassling Flippa here.
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        • Profile picture of the author PR Wizard
          Originally Posted by JMichaelZ View Post

          Flippa's job is to make money for them by providing a service. if this procedure dropped their profits they would probably change it, but they just made 10 x $50 in the same space of time that you wanted your listing to stay up higher.

          It's not designed to be fair, the system is setup to make the most amount of money with the least amount of hassles. And you are not hassling Flippa here.
          I could not agree more. One of the MOST important things I had to learn about doing business with other companies was that things were not always going to be fair. Every business exists to make money and they just don't care about one individuals opinion when they are turning a profit. No point wasting time getting mad about it.

          To the OP, I get where you are coming from and you're correct it isn't very fair. However, if this guy is paying Flippa for the bumps then they just aren't going to care about fairness unless a large number of sellers speak up and stop selling on their site. Bottom line, business is business. It's unfortunate but it's never going to be fair.
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    • Profile picture of the author Joseph Robinson
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      Originally Posted by tpw View Post

      Life is not fair.
      First someone calls for a minimum wage for freelancers, then someone gets mad that someone else with more resources used them to their advantage.

      It kind of makes you wonder whether or not capitalists really exist online :p:rolleyes:.
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        • Profile picture of the author marketinguk
          Originally Posted by joseph7384 View Post

          Joseph, but all these rules are not fair.

          • Fee for a domain
          • Fee for hosting
          • Fee for War room
          • Fee WSO'S
          • Fee for internet service
          • Fee for utilities
          • Fee for marriage license
          • Fee for drivers license
          • unlimited bumping
          • minimum post count for pm
          Oh what's this world coming too, oh my, I think I'll go hide under a rock.

          Can someone call me when it's safe to come out? Please!!!!!
          Nothing whatsoever to do with the points stated above Joseph nor the point of the thread, but i'm sure Joe will be more then happy to call you out from under your rock at the right time!
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          • Profile picture of the author Joseph Robinson
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            Originally Posted by Joel Ross View Post

            By the way Joe i've noticed you moved up the gears to level 5 Internet Marketing but you seem to have got stuck at level 5, is there anything hindering you from advancing?
            Laziness. When your leveling system is done on paper you tend not to update like you should.

            Originally Posted by Joel Ross View Post

            Nothing whatsoever to do with the points stated above Joseph nor the point of the thread, but i'm sure Joe will be more then happy to call you out from under your rock at the right time!
            You're right, kind of. The point to this thread is that there is no point. It's pretty much whining that you feel a bit screwed because Mr. Johnny Successful has the resources that you do not. You just aren't being jumped on as hard because you've earned a little bit more respect than the average newbie.

            It's still whining though, and that's where Joseph's point becomes relevant. He pointed out other things that people whined about, and piled it on top of your crap. It's not as comedic anymore; but it never is when you have to explain the joke :rolleyes:.
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            • Profile picture of the author marketinguk
              Originally Posted by Joseph Robinson View Post

              Laziness. When your leveling system is done on paper you tend not to update like you should.



              You're right, kind of. The point to this thread is that there is no point. It's pretty much whining that you feel a bit screwed because Mr. Johnny Successful has the resources that you do not. You just aren't being jumped on as hard because you've earned a little bit more respect than the average newbie.

              It's still whining though, and that's where Joseph's point becomes relevant. He pointed out other things that people whined about, and piled it on top of your crap. It's not as comedic anymore; but it never is when you have to explain the joke :rolleyes:.
              I love it when people like you jump to erroneous conclusions about my bank balance and it's health not once but twice lol. Maybe one day you'll learn just a bit of tact whether you're right or wrong at some stage in your life. Probably not though as your ego will probably win unfortunately.

              Anyway i'm off to bed as I do accept one point you make which is this thread has lasted it's course if not gone beyond that point.
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              • Profile picture of the author MissTerraK
                To answer your question Joel,

                I think it is fair. It is the same rule applying to everyone to use to their advantage as they see fit.

                If you start adding exceptions, and caps, etc, you'll end up with something similar to our tax system here in the States which never seems to please anyone, ever.

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              • Profile picture of the author Joseph Robinson
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                Originally Posted by Joel Ross View Post

                I love it when people like you jump to erroneous conclusions about my bank balance and it's health not once but twice lol. Maybe one day you'll learn just a bit of tact whether you're right or wrong at some stage in your life. Probably not though as your ego will probably win unfortunately.

                Anyway i'm off to bed as I do accept one point you make which is this thread has lasted it's course if not gone beyond that point.

                Alright then, let me rephrase: you're whining because Johnny Successful is willing to invest the funds that he has, whilst you come to an IM forum to cry because you would have to part with your money (and risk losing it) to bring more in.

                That work better for you?

                Probably not though as your ego will probably win unfortunately.
                Pot, meet kettle. The big difference though: at least I'm not blind to my oversized ego :rolleyes:.
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            • Profile picture of the author Michael D Forbes
              Originally Posted by joseph7384 - Level 6 Internet Marketer View Post

              On another note, Joseph has the title of being a level 5 internet marketer and in my opinion, that is just not fair because I've always had my little heart set on being a level 5.

              ~Joseph
              There, there joseph7384, check again... You win!
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                • Profile picture of the author Joseph Robinson
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                  Originally Posted by joseph7384 View Post

                  I'm OK, I just created a title that I'm comfortable with and seeing that Joseph is a whiz, lets see if he can decipher the code.
                  You spent 12 days at the Bristol Motor Speedway with 34 hookers "On The Down-Low" because you don't want to hire that 56 year old Permanent Under Sdcretary.
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                    • Profile picture of the author Joseph Robinson
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                      Originally Posted by joseph7384 View Post

                      12bms34otd56pus
                      How about
                      • 12 Buckle my shoe
                      • 34 Out the door
                      • 56 Pick up sticks
                      I like mine better . It's the simplest riddles that always get me. I overthink and blow right by the answer.
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                        • Profile picture of the author Joseph Robinson
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                          Originally Posted by joseph7384 View Post

                          I liked your answer too but 34 hookers is a bit extreme, would I have been the pimp or the John.
                          Pimp obviously, look at ya .
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                        • Profile picture of the author Jill Carpenter
                          Originally Posted by joseph7384 View Post

                          I liked your answer too but 34 hookers is a bit extreme, would I have been the pimp or the John.
                          78 - lay them straight.
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                • Profile picture of the author Jill Carpenter
                  Originally Posted by Joel Ross View Post


                  However, no matter what you guys feel it is a pain in the neck and mighty frustrating for the other people who are bumping their thread/listing.

                  Joel
                  Joel, perhaps you might want to entertain thinking differently than "other people."

                  While being on page one is fun and all, one goal of your WSO should be to make some kind of consistent/adequate sales even after dropping off of page 2.

                  If in order to sell your offer it requires you to be on the first page all the time, perhaps it's time to re-think the offer.
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                    Originally Posted by Jill Carpenter View Post

                    Joel, perhaps you might want to entertain thinking differently than "other people."

                    While being on page one is fun and all, one goal of your WSO should be to make some kind of consistent/adequate sales even after dropping off of page 2.

                    If in order to sell your offer it requires you to be on the first page all the time, perhaps it's time to re-think the offer.

                    He isn't selling a wso.

                    He is selling a domain, although the same principles apply.
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                    • Profile picture of the author Jill Carpenter
                      Originally Posted by tpw View Post

                      He isn't selling a wso.

                      He is selling a domain, although the same principles apply.
                      To bring it back to the WF, I have myself bumped my WSO in the past only to see one or two people bumping a number of their WSO's in one go causing my thread to drop down the first page very fast.
                      But he has in the past.
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            • Profile picture of the author MissTerraK
              Originally Posted by joseph7384 View Post


              On another note, Joseph has the title of being a level 5 internet marketer and in my opinion, that is just not fair because I've always had my little heart set on being a level 5.

              ~Joseph
              Really, Joseph7384?

              Ha! I'm just happy being oblivious to internet marketing levels period and I'd be completely happy ignoring them because they mean as much as post and thank counts do in the whole scheme of things.

              Oh No! Does that mean I'm a level 0??

              Terra
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  • Profile picture of the author sbucciarel
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    So, people who spend the money for more than one listing should be held to different rules than you are? I don't think so.
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    • Profile picture of the author marketinguk
      Originally Posted by Joseph Robinson View Post

      First someone calls for a minimum wage for freelancers, then someone gets mad that someone else with more resources used them to their advantage.

      It kind of makes you wonder whether or not capitalists really exist online :p:rolleyes:.
      Originally Posted by tpw View Post

      Life is not fair.
      Originally Posted by JMichaelZ View Post

      You might be better off talking to the Flippa people about it rather than posting about it here. its a good topic but all you are going to get are people's opinions and only if if they are having the same issue.

      Flippa's job is to make money for them by providing a service. if this procedure dropped their profits they would probably change it, but they just made 10 x $50 in the same space of time that you wanted your listing to stay up higher.

      It's not designed to be fair, the system is setup to make the most amount of money with the least amount of hassles. And you are not hassling Flippa here.
      Okay, just business then LOL, I agree with Bill that life's not fair though that's something people definitely need to get used to.

      I think the point is I was just looking at it from the other people who are bumping the listings not from Flippa's or infact this Forum where my question equally applied.

      However, no matter what you guys feel it is a pain in the neck and mighty frustrating for the other people who are bumping their thread/listing.

      Joel
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    • Profile picture of the author marketinguk
      Originally Posted by sbucciarel View Post

      So, people who spend the money for more than one listing should be held to different rules than you are? I don't think so.
      No Suzanne, the same rule should apply to me too, i'm referring to a level playing field and not sure why you would think I was suggesting one rule for me and one for others?

      Joel
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      • Profile picture of the author Michael Shook
        It isn't that I might not feel that way if I was in your position, its that those are the rules. And since my objective would be to maximize my income for the amount of time I spend doing things, I would probably make more domains to sell rather than doing something else.
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      • Profile picture of the author tpw
        Originally Posted by Joel Ross View Post

        However, no matter what you guys feel it is a pain in the neck and mighty frustrating for the other people who are bumping their thread/listing.

        Joel

        Yes, it is frustrating. But you will get used to it.


        Originally Posted by Joel Ross View Post

        No Suzanne, the same rule should apply to me too, i'm referring to a level playing field and not sure why you would think I was suggesting one rule for me and one for others?

        Joel

        A level playing field always squashes initiative.

        And besides that, we all already have an equal opportunity, but so long as the outcomes remain different, the level playing field is just a myth.
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        • Profile picture of the author marketinguk
          Originally Posted by tpw View Post

          Yes, it is frustrating. But you will get used to it.





          A level playing field always squashes initiative.

          And besides that, we all already have an equal opportunity, but so long as the outcomes remain different, the level playing field is just a myth.
          I don't agree with this, who says "a level playing field squashes initiative", I don't see what one thing has to do with the other.

          We can agree to disagree on this point Bill.
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          • Profile picture of the author Joseph Robinson
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            Originally Posted by Joel Ross View Post

            I don't agree with this, who says "a level playing field squashes initiative", I don't see what one thing has to do with the other.

            We can agree to disagree on this point Bill.
            "When everyone's special, no one is." I think that quote works well when describing Bill's point.
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            • Profile picture of the author marketinguk
              Originally Posted by Joseph Robinson View Post

              "When everyone's special, no one is." I think that quote works well when describing Bill's point.
              There's a place for everyone to be special in their own unique way so if that was Bill's point then i'm even further away from it LOL.

              By the way Joe i've noticed you moved up the gears to level 5 Internet Marketing but you seem to have got stuck at level 5, is there anything hindering you from advancing?

              Joel
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          • Profile picture of the author tpw
            Originally Posted by Joel Ross View Post

            I don't agree with this, who says "a level playing field squashes initiative", I don't see what one thing has to do with the other.

            We can agree to disagree on this point Bill.

            In your stated example at the beginning of this thread, you wanted to level the playing field and keep the other guy from posting 10 listings at one time.

            You want to force him to only bump one listing at a time, to make the playing field more fair for you and less fair for him :p.

            If you force him to play by your rules, you may force him to live with a smaller earning capacity, thereby taking away his initiative to excel in his chosen field of endeavor.

            We all have an equal opportunity to be the best we can be, but instituting a "level playing field" always changes the opportunity to favor some and diminish others.
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      • Profile picture of the author sbucciarel
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        Originally Posted by Joel Ross View Post

        No Suzanne, the same rule should apply to me too, i'm referring to a level playing field and not sure why you would think I was suggesting one rule for me and one for others?

        Joel
        It already is a level playing field. Anyone who buys a listing here can bump it only when it reaches page 3. When I do more than one listing, I stagger them so I have one on page 1 and one on page 2, etc., but they don't have to. In order for people to be able to get what they pay for, there shouldn't be any limitations on their listings that put them at an unfair advantage and it is unfair to say that they can't bump their listings the same as anyone else who pays for a listing.

        There's a girl in Complete Sites for Sale that buys 10 listings all the time and I've always thought that I'd like to see her run off a cliff to never be seen again ... lol, but she buys the listings, so what are you going to do? Not allow her to buy the listings?
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          Originally Posted by sbucciarel View Post

          It already is a level playing field. Anyone who buys a listing here can bump it only when it reaches page 3. When I do more than one listing, I stagger them so I have one on page 1 and one on page 2, etc., but they don't have to. In order for people to be able to get what they pay for, there shouldn't be any limitations on their listings that put them at an unfair advantage and it is unfair to say that they can't bump their listings the same as anyone else who pays for a listing.

          There's a girl in Complete Sites for Sale that buys 10 listings all the time and I've always thought that I'd like to see her run off a cliff to never be seen again ... lol, but she buys the listings, so what are you going to do? Not allow her to buy the listings?
          Wow, I'm glad its not me buying 10 listings at a time, I hate being driven off cliffs.
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        • Profile picture of the author marketinguk
          Originally Posted by sbucciarel View Post

          It already is a level playing field. Anyone who buys a listing here can bump it only when it reaches page 3. When I do more than one listing, I stagger them so I have one on page 1 and one on page 2, etc., but they don't have to. In order for people to be able to get what they pay for, there shouldn't be any limitations on their listings that put them at an unfair advantage and it is unfair to say that they can't bump their listings the same as anyone else who pays for a listing.

          There's a girl in Complete Sites for Sale that buys 10 listings all the time and I've always thought that I'd like to see her run off a cliff to never be seen again ... lol, but she buys the listings, so what are you going to do? Not allow her to buy the listings?
          Well I wasn't advocating things going that far Suzanne, but I do also find it frustrating LOL.

          Joel
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          Originally Posted by sbucciarel View Post

          ... and I've always thought that I'd like to see her run off a cliff to never be seen again ... lol, but she buys the listings, so what are you going to do? Not allow her to buy the listings?
          ^ Oh! I LAAAAAUUUUUGGGGHHHHEDD!

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  • Profile picture of the author Michael D Forbes
    Joel, if it bugs you... "Be The Multi-Bumper"

    It IS a level playing field. Each listing can be bumped. Doesn't matter if it's 100 from one person or 1 from 100 people.
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    • Profile picture of the author marketinguk
      Originally Posted by Michael D Forbes View Post

      Joel, if it bugs you... "Be The Multi-Bumper"

      It IS a level playing field. Each listing can be bumped. Doesn't matter if it's 100 from one person or 1 from 100 people.
      Fair point Michael and I understand what you're saying. Of course I could be the "multi bumper" despite what Joe above was insinuating however I think it is fairer overall for everyone if it's one a person. It's simple averages that if people are bumping 3/4/5 threads at any one time other people get less exposure and don't think that's reasonable to others.

      However, Bill's point on fairness comes back into play at that point so I can accept both sides of the debate.

      Joel
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  • Profile picture of the author Ernest Simon
    The same would happen if 10 people bumped their offer in 10 minutes. I think this is fair as you actually pay for every thread and bump. So, it would be unfair if you run 3 offers and could not bump 1-2 of them because of a limit.

    Anyway, people to thom a cost of bump is cheap will always win over people who have a very limited capital to promote their sruff.

    I think you should deal with it and actually expect that something like that could happen and have enough funds to back it up.
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  • Profile picture of the author Resale Rights Ninja
    I think a cap would actually be a good idea, but I think that would be easier said than done.
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  • Profile picture of the author Michael D Forbes
    Capping bumps for larger players so smaller fish can survive really makes no sense. It would be a penalty against the very people that provide a proportionately larger source of revenue.

    Make your bumps and take your lumps. Remember, YOUR bump is knocking someone else off the page, and that isn't fair either.
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  • Profile picture of the author Michael D Forbes
    Keep going guys, I haven't seen a Joe/Joel squabble recently...

    *Insert picture of popcorn here in honor of Joe*
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  • Profile picture of the author mgreener
    If the rules are the same for everyone, then it already is as fair as possible. Yes, it sucks to have your stuff pushed down and it's awesome to bump back to the top (but that means that there's a person that you've just pushed off the first page!)

    Develop a staggering strategy or bump everything at once to dominate and take advantage of what you can.
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