I don't think anybody talks about this

12 years ago

It is easier to limit one's self by saying this is hard. It is not brain surgery for sure. That is why I cringe when someone wants advice on how to get started and 25 people recommend fiveer.

Too many times where you start is where you end up.

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Caleb Spilchen

12 years ago

Originally Posted by Troy_Phillips

It is easier to limit one's self by saying this is hard. It is not brain surgery for sure. That is why I cringe when someone wants advice on how to get started and 25 people recommend fiveer.

Too many times where you start is where you end up.

Yo Troy,

I just want to throw something out there... Something that comes straight from who I am...

When I was 15 years old... I owned a AWFUL news website... but I spent ALL my time on it... it was like my pride and joy...

One day, I was sitting there... and I thought... 'what if I could throw advertising up on my site?', and I found out that I could...

Although I never made any money with that then, it got me into the communities... blogs and everything of this niche... A few months later, I began writing articles, forum posts (content fill for peoples brand new forums) among other things... and made my first $1...

In fact, I averaged about $1 per day...

About a year later, I had my first $1k day.

I firmly believe in starting from the bottom, and working your way to the top... That's why when someone asks me what step one is... I say "Step one is to GET the investment to do bigger things"..

you wanna be a blogger?

Fire up some posts for other people... articles, whatever... get a couple jobs, make $30 or whatever, and you've got the cash to continue.

Don't throw your own money into it... or try to start with some complex stuff, it just makes life harder.

I don't write articles anymore, I haven't for years... so I have no idea where your, "your stuck where you start" comment even comes from...

hope this post helps someone

Caleb

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Troy_Phillips

12 years ago

Originally Posted by Caleb Spilchen

Yo Troy,

I just want to throw something out there... Something that comes straight from who I am...

When I was 15 years old... I owned a AWFUL news website... but I spent ALL my time on it... it was like my pride and joy...

One day, I was sitting there... and I thought... 'what if I could throw advertising up on my site?', and I found out that I could...

Although I never made any money with that then, it got me into the communities... blogs and everything of this niche... A few months later, I began writing articles, forum posts (content fill for peoples brand new forums) among other things... and made my first $1...

In fact, I averaged about $1 per day...

About a year later, I had my first $1k day.

I firmly believe in starting from the bottom, and working your way to the top... That's why when someone asks me what step one is... I say "Step one is to GET the investment to do bigger things"..

you wanna be a blogger?

Fire up some posts for other people... articles, whatever... get a couple jobs, make $30 or whatever, and you've got the cash to continue.

Don't throw your own money into it... or try to start with some complex stuff, it just makes life harder.

I don't write articles anymore, I haven't for years... so I have no idea where your, "your stuck where you start" comment even comes from...

hope this post helps someone

Caleb

Caleb,

I meant a lot of people get stuck on fiveer. They write 500 word articles for what ends up being less than $4. They end up getting discouraged because they have no time to do anything else but write $4 articles. No time to go forward with their own sites or anything.

Also .. I have heard you talk several times .. sorry but you are not coming from a mindset many are. How many other 15 or 30 year olds do you know that will keep pluging away at a site that didn't make a considerable income for that long? How many can afford to?

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Caleb Spilchen

12 years ago

Originally Posted by Troy_Phillips

Caleb,

I meant a lot of people get stuck on fiveer. They write 500 word articles for what ends up being less than $4. They end up getting discouraged because they have no time to do anything else but write $4 articles. No time to go forward with their own sites or anything.

Also .. I have heard you talk several times .. sorry but you are not coming from a mindset many are. How many other 15 or 30 year olds do you know that will keep pluging away at a site that didn't make a considerable income for that long? How many can afford to?

Hey,

I get where your coming from there... Honestly, you have to come at things from the perspective of a step procedure... you have to have an idea of where you're headed...

You have to set up a couple goals along the way... where that money is supposed to go to... etc

"How many other 15 or 30 year olds do you know that will keep pluging away at a site that didn't make a considerable income for that long?" Again, it's like a ladder, you gotta keep moving up... if one thing doesn't work, sure try another. That's why I tell my students to keep their job, work only a few hours... just start small.

I truly respect your opinions, and I hope thats mutual... Just throwing mine out there

Caleb

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Troy_Phillips

12 years ago

Originally Posted by Caleb Spilchen

Hey,

I get where your coming from there... Honestly, you have to come at things from the perspective of a step procedure... you have to have an idea of where you're headed...

You have to set up a couple goals along the way... where that money is supposed to go to... etc

"How many other 15 or 30 year olds do you know that will keep pluging away at a site that didn't make a considerable income for that long?" Again, it's like a ladder, you gotta keep moving up... if one thing doesn't work, sure try another. That's why I tell my students to keep their job, work only a few hours... just start small.

I truly respect your opinions, and I hope thats mutual... Just throwing mine out there

Caleb

Like I said, I have listened to you talk several times. Not many people hold my attention lol.

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Outsourcingnerd

12 years ago

Originally Posted by Troy_Phillips

Caleb,

I meant a lot of people get stuck on fiveer. They write 500 word articles for what ends up being less than $4. They end up getting discouraged because they have no time to do anything else but write $4 articles. No time to go forward with their own sites or anything.

Also .. I have heard you talk several times .. sorry but you are not coming from a mindset many are. How many other 15 or 30 year olds do you know that will keep pluging away at a site that didn't make a considerable income for that long? How many can afford to?

Well, sometimes it helps if people ask them self a few questions...

If you write articles and earn $4 pr. Article, you would only be able to get paid by the amount of work you deliver.

If it takes one hour to research and make one article, and you work 10 hours a day you cash in $40 - perhaps less if some of the articles get rejected.

If you want to make money into that kind of business, you need to think out of the box.

Why not find places that pays more than $5 for an article? if you have good copy writing skills, why not do sales letters or press releases? why not offer people to submit their press releases? Stuff like that

Another way is to find writers that can do decent articles for $2-3 - then you can bid on more projects or even grow a customer base.

Why not offer blog commenting?

Another thing is when people are paying $5-10 for an article, and continue to buy more, those articles must represent a much high value for them right?

So what do they do? Someone has a blog and makes money on Adsense. Others do article marketing and similar stuff.

It is hardly on Fiverr people would make a killer income, if they plan to do things manually - but if you are able to simplify things or automate it, then it can be a great chance to make a decent income.

Another Fiverr strategy can be to sell a service that you hardly make any money at, but use this service to build a customer base that buys more expensive services from you.

History often repeats itself - it is only a few years since Apple decided to challenge the old players like Nokia, Sony Ericsson and other cell phone manufacturers.

So people laughed at Apple, only one phone every year? only one model? And who is laughing now? :-)

Like everything else, online business is down to make things smarter for you and your customers. Be creative! :-)

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Caleb Spilchen

12 years ago

Originally Posted by Outsourcingnerd

Well, sometimes it helps if people ask them self a few questions...

If you write articles and earn $4 pr. Article, you would only be able to get paid by the amount of work you deliver.

If it takes one hour to research and make one article, and you work 10 hours a day you cash in $40 - perhaps less if some of the articles get rejected.

If you want to make money into that kind of business, you need to think out of the box.

Why not find places that pays more than $5 for an article? if you have good copy writing skills, why not do sales letters or press releases? why not offer people to submit their press releases? Stuff like that

Another way is to find writers that can do decent articles for $2-3 - then you can bid on more projects or even grow a customer base.

Why not offer blog commenting?

Another thing is when people are paying $5-10 for an article, and continue to buy more, those articles must represent a much high value for them right?

So what do they do? Someone has a blog and makes money on Adsense. Others do article marketing and similar stuff.

It is hardly on Fiverr people would make a killer income, if they plan to do things manually - but if you are able to simplify things or automate it, then it can be a great chance to make a decent income.

Another Fiverr strategy can be to sell a service that you hardly make any money at, but use this service to build a customer base that buys more expensive services from you.

History often repeats itself - it is only a few years since Apple decided to challenge the old players like Nokia, Sony Ericsson and other cell phone manufacturers.

So people laughed at Apple, only one phone every year? only one model? And who is laughing now? :-)

Like everything else, online business is down to make things smarter for you and your customers. Be creative! :-)

I would never spend an hour writing for $5. When I wrote $5 articles, I would only take articles in niches I knew all about... (I had a policy written), and I would write them in 10 minutes or less...

I don't think anyone should nor pays for 1 hour of research for $5.

Just my opinion of course

Caleb

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Jeffery

12 years ago

Originally Posted by Troy_Phillips

It is easier to limit one's self by saying this is hard. It is not brain surgery for sure. That is why I cringe when someone wants advice on how to get started and 25 people recommend fiveer.

Too many times where you start is where you end up.

Originally Posted by Caleb Spilchen

Yo Troy,

I just want to throw something out there... Something that comes straight from who I am...

When I was 15 years old... I owned a AWFUL news website... but I spent ALL my time on it... it was like my pride and joy...

One day, I was sitting there... and I thought... 'what if I could throw advertising up on my site?', and I found out that I could...

Although I never made any money with that then, it got me into the communities... blogs and everything of this niche... A few months later, I began writing articles, forum posts (content fill for peoples brand new forums) among other things... and made my first $1...

In fact, I averaged about $1 per day...

About a year later, I had my first $1k day.

I firmly believe in starting from the bottom, and working your way to the top... That's why when someone asks me what step one is... I say "Step one is to GET the investment to do bigger things"..

you wanna be a blogger?

Fire up some posts for other people... articles, whatever... get a couple jobs, make $30 or whatever, and you've got the cash to continue.

Don't throw your own money into it... or try to start with some complex stuff, it just makes life harder.

I don't write articles anymore, I haven't for years... so I have no idea where your, "your stuck where you start" comment even comes from...

hope this post helps someone

Caleb

Caleb, you are the exception to the comment Troy made "Too many times where you start is where you end up."

You started like many of us here with a personal website wherein you learned internet and webmaster skills and more importantly it was your own passion.

Troy is referring to the Original Post and some of the people that visit this forum who read stories of making the big bucks that requires little to no effort. The usual response from people that have no clue is 5ver. You almost never see a post from these same people who...

... started like many of us here with a personal website wherein we learned internet and webmaster skills and more importantly it was our own passion that led to our own level success.

What Troy said is similar to what I teach "Start with the basics, learn the basics like the back of your hand, start a basic business, use the basics to up-scale your business at your own pace...

..and that is what you did Caleb. That is exactly what many of us did. I am not speaking for everyone..

Like Troy said.. You are one of the few worth listening to

But when a beginner asks where do I start to make the big bucks I have never seen a honest marketer that I know and do business say to them.. Jump straight into Fiver (or any program for that fact) and you will make the big bucks.

Jeffery 100% :-)

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12 years ago

Originally Posted by Troy_Phillips

It is easier to limit one's self by saying this is hard. It is not brain surgery for sure. That is why I cringe when someone wants advice on how to get started and 25 people recommend fiveer.

Too many times where you start is where you end up.

Great advice Troy. If the intention to make money as an IMer is there, one doesn't need to read a hundred books to make it. In fact, big players are not usually smarter or more gifted than the rest of us, but they sure now how to utilize the skills of people like us. I want someone to show me a CEO who is involved in designing and engineering products. Sure, they may have done it before they got there and they probably input general ideas, but most of the research is done by the engineers. With this in mind, the same can be done with Internet Marketing. If a marketer has the intention to make thousands of dollars, he or she needs to emulate the marketer who has already made the thousands.

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Joseph Robinson

Banned 12 years ago

No, you don't "have to suffer for a few years", but you probably will anyways. It takes a special eye for marketing, a great idea, and an unmatched work ethic to see big results fast. Like it or not, most will never have those skills period.

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RedShifted

12 years ago

I think you are 10,000xs better off creating and dominating your own niche. Some of the richest people I've read about, have done precisely that.

So sure you can make money slow, or you can make it fast. It call comes down to mindset and perspective. It also comes down to testing ideas fast. I think you have a much larger chance of success by going against the grain. Don't follow trends, invent your own. Then have other people follow YOUR trends.

In my honest opinion, thats HOW you make it big in this world. Don't be a follower, be a leader.

-Red

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Horny Devil Banned 12 years ago

You're not likely to get an overnight million dollar empire from a standing start unless you have a ton of money to throw at it, exceptional skills and talent, or an absolutely unique and stunning idea. By the sound of it you've got none of them.

Rome wasn't built in a day and patience is a virtue, so don't try to run before you can walk. Otherwise you'll go round in circles and get nowhere. I bet last night you dreamed you were awake, and when you woke up you were asleep
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Randall Magwood

12 years ago

Originally Posted by ckbank

I'm sure most of you will say that starting small is the smart way to make money and one has to learn along the way, but I think that's BS.

It's not BS. Some start off slow because of lack of advertising funds, and some start off fast because they have a heavy advertising budget.

Analyze both kinds of people 10 years from now, and they BOTH will have built up a nice sizeable monthly income. You'd make money any route you take.

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aroth

12 years ago

All IM Niches aren't created equal. Some require a slow burn others can be ramped up very quickly. There are people that go from $0 to $100,000 in 30 - 90 days on the internet ALL THE TIME!!! There are people who go from $0 - $100,000 in 3 years ALL THE TIME. It all comes down to focus, start up capital, proper training, and the right path for you.

The internet is so wide open there is no right or wrong way to reach your financial goal, all that matters is you reach it!

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WinstonTian

12 years ago

Oh sure, and people who earn 6-figures and beyond are super
humans... As much as I like that belief in the crowd, I find that
a little too off-the-mark.

All of us who succeeded, we did it after tons of hard work. We
didn't accidentally find a method that worked... We worked to
test methods and replicated what worked for us.

I've made small amounts like that before in the past. Why not?
We were all beginners at one point...

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dadhere

12 years ago

I really didn't get any profit until I got a mentor who was doing ok online himself. That month I cleared my first thousand. For the 3 priors years, zip.

That's what turned me around

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