This Is The 'Secret' The Guru's Always Leave Out About Making Money Online!

Good thinking.

Where my income did well, was to buy and just study their process.

Even a $29 product, that a guru sells, watch what he does.... if he is smart and knows what he is doing....as stated above, you see he will offer lots of things, OTO, upsells....heck!... he will probably offer it to you for like $1 if you keep saying no LOL....see what they do? Study that and ask yourself why they do this? and then see if you can apply these to your business sales pages. MAGIC HUH?

I think the guru's tell you all the time or at least steer you in the right direction. The problem is people don't listen. I see it every day on the warriorforum. People rather socialize with their dreams and all rather than listen to good sound advice. I've seen funnels, I've seen your own product, it's all here right on the warrior forums, but people just don't listen. They see what they want to see basically.

$9000 in 9 minutes. Wow. Good stuff.

But I sure bet it did not come with hard work, and dedication. But awesome.

Dont worry I did not smell the cheese either when it was right infront of me.

Tis amazing, how much money you can make from just one subscriber, using funnels and other tactics. Especially if you are good with copy!

I think they do well enough. I mean heck you are a newbie learning something for the first time and I assume ready to follow everything down to the letter, like other newbies on the WF.

I mean we can't expect a guru to hit them over the head with it lolol.

I have had times though where I've felt like training them and sticking their faces in it like when you train a puppy. lololol

How do you know who knows what they are doing???

Ya know, these "You need to do the work" posts would be a lot more convincing if they didn't have signatures attached to them saying the same things they're warning you not to fall for.

I've got a warning of my own for you, folks: The minute you see someone engaged in generic guru-bashing, start asking questions about the person doing the talking.

First question: Why bash some vague and unidentifiable entity, using meaningless buzzwords?

Answer: It's a sales tactic, designed to make you see the speaker as being on your side, helping you in the battle against "them." If you'll just buy their ... "whatever" ... they'll guide and protect you.

Yeah. Right.

A lot of the factual advice in the OP is accurate and useful. The emotional style has a whole other purpose, which is pretty clear if you look at the poster's history over time.


Paul

Jeffery,

It was even more obviously promotional before he edited his signature to remove the "$9,000 a month" part. Gotta love it when people try to manipulate the context to make others look more extreme, eh?

The "civil" part doesn't matter in a conversation like this. That's called being "on a high horse," which is not really much different than being called abusive for more direct language. The spin is something of a constant.

This is part of the problem with letting people get away with things for too long. They start to believe they're entitled, and they respond reflexively to challenges. That's as much my fault as his.

If I had thought that deliberate rudeness would have been more productive in this circumstance, though, I'd have chosen that route. It's not my preferred style, but I'm not allergic to it when it gets things done with less time and hassle.

It's also sometimes the most thoughtful approach. It lets people walk away feeling justified and superior, and gives them "evidence" to support those feelings. In those cases, we both get what we want. They get to leave feeling like they won, and we don't have to listen to them any more.

Everyone wins.


Paul

Even if what they want is "Free, perfect, and NOW?"

Caleb, No-no-no. Get it straight: As a moderator, I'm an Evil Tyrant.

Sheesh. This isn't rocket surgery, after all...


Paul

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No Wombats!

First, congrats on using capitals. I know finding the shift key and/or caps lock key was a long process.

"in the future they will ban products..." I guess your not really keeping up with the times, as many products have been banned for making false statements.

Marketplace - ClickBank

As for your comment about "Germany", I think its kind of ironic you choose Germany, the country that respects the least amount of Internet laws (IE: Copyright - very much so not respected)...

Almost EVERY country with an internet presence doesn't allow false advertising claims.... the FTC in the US, Canada has regulations etc....

I don't know ANY country with a large internet presence that allows false advertising...

But perhaps you do.

Caleb

You forgot one step: Promise 'em what they want, deliver what you promised 'em, and sneak in what they need.

Been saying that for years. I'm hardly the first, either, although the phrasing is original. I got the message, albeit not quite so directly, from a movie I saw when I was a kid. 'Mary Poppins.' Just a spoonful of sugar...

The idea probably pre-dates language. Goes back to the first Mother.


Paul

I don't see how using a pen name on the forum has got anything to do with credibility?

Lot's of people use pen names both on their websites and forums for lots of different reasons. As far as I'm concerned that's completely legitimate and acceptable.

When I mentioned that I don't know the history, I was referring to this:

Rob, A lot, for many people. Ultimately, though, credibility is a subjective matter.

My personal view: If a person isn't selling anything here, or trying to push an agenda that's destructive to someone else, I don't really care if they're functionally anonymous.

One small caveat: If you're new, completely anonymous, and cross the lines, I'm much more likely to just hit the ban button. It's not like you have any real investment in that account, after all.

If you're selling something, that's a whole other issue. If there's a complaint and I see user12345[at]g-mail[dot]com as the address, no domain connected or one with "private" registration, and no real way to know who's actually making the offer... Let's just say your credibility drops a lot. And yes, that does affect how I choose to act on a complaint.

Some people don't care at all. For others, it's a big issue. And for people who've moderated here, like Les, it's a Big Red Flag. For moderators, a big chunk of the process is about patterns.

For example, most people seeing posts from a new account with the username robertwilliams634 would assume they're reading a comment by someone named Robert Williams. A moderator here would assume the person was, 9 times out of 10, an Indian or Bangladeshi spammer. And, at least that 9 times out of 10, we'd be right. Because that's one of their patterns.

If you're in Madras and claim to be in Madras, your location is irrelevant. If you're in Madras and claim to be in NYC, you've become suspicious. That hurts you if there are questions. That's part of the pattern of a specific type of problem poster.

If you're posting from Dubai or Pakistan or Singapore and use an avatar of a busty northern-European woman, we know what that's usually about, too. You don't get any extra chances with that pattern. Cross one line and you're gone.

If you've been using the same pseudonym for years and never been a problem, we don't care what you call yourself. One of my favorite totally online acquaintances is someone whose name I don't know. He's used the same pseudonym for longer than I've been online. I read his name somewhere once, but by then I didn't care enough to remember. I would never have cause to use it.

A consistent individual pattern matters, too. Good or bad.


Paul