Home server vs dedicated one.

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Hi guys,

I was wondering to get a VPS or a dedicated server to use some seo softwares that are quite intensive then i have saw the offers and think to myself ... Why not build an home server with top notch hardware, i was thinking in something like 8 cores with 32gb ram and 2 or 3 tb drive with a Vmware infrastructure then i have a 200Mbps FFTH internet connection , so i believe here should not have an issue.

For this server i will waste about 800 bucks, so if i split by 12 months the costs will be lower the renting one. I know that i will not have redundancy but in the end probably will suit my goal or do you disagree?

Thanks,
Morg
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  • Profile picture of the author John NMC
    I think you're asking for way too many headaches....just go with the hosted options. or use a cloud service like amazon's.
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  • Profile picture of the author mojojuju
    It's hard to say. You haven't mentioned what software you are using or how it is "intensive" - does it require a lot of RAM? CPU? Bandwidth?...
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    • Profile picture of the author morg2k2
      Well i will use

      No hands seo
      Ultimate demon
      GSA ranker

      So i was thinking to use an amd 8 core fx-8150 with 32gb of ram and a 200mbps internet connection that i already have.
      I would use vmware esxi 5 then would create separated virtual machines for each program for exemple.

      About handling it i am i very used to manage servers and vmware structures.



      Originally Posted by mojojuju View Post

      It's hard to say. You haven't mentioned what software you are using or how it is "intensive" - does it require a lot of RAM? CPU? Bandwidth?...
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      • Profile picture of the author Kingfish85
        Originally Posted by morg2k2 View Post

        Well i will use

        No hands seo
        Ultimate demon
        GSA ranker

        So i was thinking to use an amd 8 core fx-8150 with 32gb of ram and a 200mbps internet connection that i already have.
        I would use vmware esxi 5 then would create separated virtual machines for each program for exemple.

        About handling it i am i very used to manage servers and vmware structures.
        Sure? Did you check the HCL for VMware & that proc? Because it does not appear to be supported. That proc is not a "server grade" processor, hence why it's not supported.

        You may be able to get it installed, but I wouldn't count on it being stable. 20+ years in systems management? Figured you'd have known to check the vendor HCL first..

        VMware Compatibility Guide: System Search

        ESX / ESXi 4.0 Whitebox HCL

        You'd probably be better off installing Windows server on the hardware, then using VMware workstation on top of that.

        I also, am certified by VMware & have been using VMware ESX clusters on a daily basis in production environments for quite some time.
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        • Profile picture of the author morg2k2
          Hi did not build this lets call it server yet but was checking the hardware specs, if i choose this route yeah i will check HCL first. The workstaion on top of a windows 7 its an option also.

          Thanks,
          Morg

          Originally Posted by Kingfish85 View Post

          Sure? Did you check the HCL for VMware & that proc? Because it does not appear to be supported. That proc is not a "server grade" processor, hence why it's not supported.

          You may be able to get it installed, but I wouldn't count on it being stable. 20+ years in systems management? Figured you'd have known to check the vendor HCL first..

          VMware Compatibility Guide: System Search

          ESX / ESXi 4.0 Whitebox HCL

          You'd probably be better off installing Windows server on the hardware, then using VMware workstation on top of that.

          I also, am certified by VMware & have been using VMware ESX clusters on a daily basis in production environments for quite some time.
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  • Profile picture of the author JabMonkey
    If you can afford it and have the technical skills, sure, why not? But you have to figure in the cost of your time to deal with server issues that will surely come up. For most, it's more affordable to go with a provider that has excellent support than to do it yourself and maybe end up with a problem you can't fix and have to find and pay for someone local to fix it. Then there goes your savings.
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    • Profile picture of the author morg2k2
      Well i have more then 20 years in servers administration so managing wont be the issue. Maybe the time to handle with it, but if i rent a vps or dedicated server i also will be required to solve my issues at software level. And some hosts have a lousy internet connection....


      Originally Posted by JabMonkey View Post

      If you can afford it and have the technical skills, sure, why not? But you have to figure in the cost of your time to deal with server issues that will surely come up. For most, it's more affordable to go with a provider that has excellent support than to do it yourself and maybe end up with a problem you can't fix and have to find and pay for someone local to fix it. Then there goes your savings.
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  • Profile picture of the author jefkas
    The biggest headaches I face with my home server is security updates and backups.. it's a lot more work that you think right now. When you've got a site out there on the web, you better be up on your OS stuff because try to hack you daily and in some pretty clever ways.
    Also.. you'll likely be forced to upgrade to a business account if you're consuming a lot of bandwidth every month, and they're considerably higher.
    I prefer my VPS... much easier to maintain in every way.
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    • Profile picture of the author morg2k2
      Well if i was going to host websites you are right , the hardening its quite time consuming, but since thats not my goal, besides vmware its very easy to create backups or snapshots of the vms and restore anytime ibelieve that wont be a big deal.
      About bandwith here in Portugal with fiber connections we have unlimited traffic , lots fof clients have dozens of terabytes monthly without issues. Here the provider have plans from 12mbits up to 400mbits guranteed speed.

      Thanks,
      Morg

      Originally Posted by jefkas View Post

      The biggest headaches I face with my home server is security updates and backups.. it's a lot more work that you think right now. When you've got a site out there on the web, you better be up on your OS stuff because try to hack you daily and in some pretty clever ways.
      Also.. you'll likely be forced to upgrade to a business account if you're consuming a lot of bandwidth every month, and they're considerably higher.
      I prefer my VPS... much easier to maintain in every way.
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  • Profile picture of the author Kingfish85
    Originally Posted by morg2k2 View Post

    Hi guys,

    I was wondering to get a VPS or a dedicated server to use some seo softwares that are quite intensive then i have saw the offers and think to myself ... Why not build an home server with top notch hardware, i was thinking in something like 8 cores with 32gb ram and 2 or 3 tb drive with a Vmware infrastructure then i have a 200Mbps FFTH internet connection , so i believe here should not have an issue.

    For this server i will waste about 800 bucks, so if i split by 12 months the costs will be lower the renting one. I know that i will not have redundancy but in the end probably will suit my goal or do you disagree?

    Thanks,
    Morg
    First, what are your requirements? Those specs could be a waste of resources as well as money.

    As far as a "home server", you could, but your connection is going to be the bottleneck, not to mention power to run it plus cool it. Even though you say you have Fiber to your house, what's the setup? Is it a dedicated 200X200 connection?

    You have 1 line in, no redundant carriers..what happens when the guy down the street hits a line digging?

    VMware - do you have experience with VMware? Are you planning to use ESX or ESXi? vSphere? What? Local storage?

    RAM - 32GB...ok. Straight forward.

    Storage - A single "2 or 3 tb drive"? If single, there's no redundancy there? If RAID 1, performance will be so so as it's mirrored so that will degrade your performance. I'd recommend at least 4 disks in RAID 10.

    8 cores of what? No proc specs?

    You say "top notch hardware", but 800 bucks is no where near top notch hardware. An average server would be something like a Dell R510-710 running RAID 10 w/ SAS drives & 16-24GB RAM...

    I think you'd be better off renting from a provider or at least colo'ing a box if you feel you need to own it.
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  • Profile picture of the author onlineprintdesign
    Server is the most important part in our daily office work without server and IP address nothing is possible to handle work.Thank you.
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  • Profile picture of the author Mark Gray
    Dont forget if you are using the server at home for intensive use you will have banned i.p addres issues unless you plan to use private proxies but then again it depends exactly what you are using your server for.

    If you have the tech savvy then do it

    Mark
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    • Profile picture of the author morg2k2
      Originally Posted by Mark Gray View Post

      Dont forget if you are using the server at home for intensive use you will have banned i.p addres issues unless you plan to use private proxies but then again it depends exactly what you are using your server for.

      If you have the tech savvy then do it

      Mark
      Hi Mark,

      Since the work will be too intensive i will use private proxies, since seo tools will use it intensively.

      Thanks,
      Morg
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      • Profile picture of the author kaizense
        Ordinarily the answer for most would be no. In your case it does seem worth considering since you have the necessary background, aptitude and skills.

        Let us know how you get on if you decide to go this route. All the best.
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  • Profile picture of the author imwebmasters
    You can easily run most SEO software at home on a normal laptop. That's what I've been doing without any problems. Just make sure you have a stable internet connection and preferably a good and stable VPN and/or proxies.
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  • Profile picture of the author Mark Gray
    morg2k2 - i used to do it from home in the UK and have done it in Thailand (where i am now) and have to say a V.P.S is just as much hassle but only if you have the appropriate precautions in place and have the savvy to manage all the back-end stuff, which i think you do so hell go for it

    Mark
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  • Profile picture of the author Ronno99
    Unless this is your hobby focus on making money. Time spent messing around with tech toys and server updates is a wasteful activity if you are making any kind of $.

    Through that lense you might even decide to specify and outsource the work instead of the options you have presented.
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    • Profile picture of the author morg2k2
      Well you could be right but if i have a vps or a dedicated server rented would have the same time consuming or worst then that. So i would spent the same time probably but if an issue arises i can handle it instead of waiting or worst then that... The support cannot dolve the issues.

      About outsourcing.... You get the job but do not control it.... My balance with outsourcing is not that good to be honest.... Then i would need to train staff.... More time, etc.

      Thanks




      Originally Posted by Ronno99 View Post

      Unless this is your hobby focus on making money. Time spent messing around with tech toys and server updates is a wasteful activity if you are making any kind of $.

      Through that lense you might even decide to specify and outsource the work instead of the options you have presented.
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  • Profile picture of the author goguy
    If you have enough cash and lots of time then build home server, but I'll advice to go for a hosted solution.
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    • Profile picture of the author morg2k2
      Originally Posted by goguy View Post

      If you have enough cash and lots of time then build home server, but I'll advice to go for a hosted solution.
      Well the hosting will not be cheaper if you see the renting for at least 12 months for exemple a low quality server will be about 125-150 bucks per month if you think in a vps you will be very limited and the price should be about 50-60 bucks for a quad core with 4gb , so even the vps after 12 months will be cheaper.

      There are diferent reasons to choose the hosting but price wise is not one.
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      • Profile picture of the author surgematrix
        I will never bother myself to host my own server. Dedicated server are very cheap to lease now. The only time I will use a home server which I don't think I will, is if I want no restrictions on my server. It is just too much headache protecting the server and few other things you will need to do. I will rather rent a server or if I need to build my own server, then I will co-locate the server.
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        • Profile picture of the author morg2k2
          Originally Posted by surgematrix View Post

          I will never bother myself to host my own server. Dedicated server are very cheap to lease now. The only time I will use a home server which I don't think I will, is if I want no restrictions on my server. It is just too much headache protecting the server and few other things you will need to do. I will rather rent a server or if I need to build my own server, then I will co-locate the server.
          Well securing rented or not you will need to patch it up or else you need have a managed server solution that is extremely expensive at least to me. Besides securing is not that difficult or time conduming, maybe in linux but in windows its almost automatic if you want. The only difference will be redundancy and eventually downtime.
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  • Profile picture of the author gpwilson
    It depends on which software you want to use. As far i know that there is no software available in the market which requires such an exclusive requirement. You can choose any option. Both are good to me.
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  • Profile picture of the author IMSince2003
    I think it would be less painful to poke your eye with a stick. All that time wasted NOT making money. Doesn't your time count for anything? Every second you spend fiddling with the server is time that you're NOT making money.
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