Trying To Earn Money Online For Over 6 Years

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I've been trying to earn money online for over six years. I've spent easily over $1,000 in attempting to do so. I have earned far less than that as income. I've invested thousands of hours into this and have earned cents an hour. How should I proceed to be successful? Thanks.

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  • Profile picture of the author theory expert
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    You spent the $1000 over the span of 6 years you mean?
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    What all have you tried yet?
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  • Profile picture of the author Vadimarket
    Wow, 6 years, that's a lot of time..

    Any specific direction you're looking at right now? Or you wanna start completely from scratch?
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  • Profile picture of the author Adie
    Originally Posted by Michael55555 View Post

    I've been trying to earn money online for over six years. I've spent easily over $1,000 in attempting to do so. I have earned far less than that as income. I've invested thousands of hours into this and have earned cents an hour. How should I proceed to be successful? Thanks.

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    • Profile picture of the author Michael Ten
      Originally Posted by theory expert View Post

      You spent the $1000 over the span of 6 years you mean?
      I've spent more than $1,000 dollars over six years. Without giving out an exact figure, I believe it is somewhere between $1,000 and $5,000.

      Originally Posted by Bluestarace View Post

      What all have you tried yet?
      Mobile affiliate advertising.
      I've not given list building a serious go.
      I've dabbled in most of the rest of what I think of when I hear earning money online.
      I could devote more time into just strait affiliate marketing, but I usually have a hard time being passionate about that.

      Originally Posted by Vadimarket View Post

      Wow, 6 years, that's a lot of time..

      Any specific direction you're looking at right now? Or you wanna start completely from scratch?
      Lately, I've been trying to have AdSense earn me significant money and then also earn money through Etsy. I've been devoting my energies there right now, but I'm not sure how fruitful those will be.
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      • Originally Posted by Michael55555 View Post

        I've spent more than $1,000 dollars over six years. Without giving out an exact figure, I believe it is somewhere between $1,000 and $5,000.

        Mobile affiliate advertising.
        I've not given list building a serious go.
        I've dabbled in most of the rest of what I think of when I hear earning money online.
        I could devote more time into just strait affiliate marketing, but I usually have a hard time being passionate about that.
        I believe this is your main problem. Many have found no significant success in IM until they begin to build a list. Why? Because most people have there most trouble with gaining quality traffic. Also, the conversion on traffic is pretty low, anyway. By building a list you actually kill both of these birdies with one swift throw. By building a good relationship with your list, you control that traffic. Your conversions will be better on the traffic you send from this list because it is warm... and in some cases red hot.

        The primary reason people have trouble with IM is that they don't do what they don't want to do. If you spend all of your time dallying in only the things that appeal to you, you'll never have a well rounded plan that actually pumps out money when put into action.

        If you're ready to stop dabbling and earn some real money with list building, check out this $995 program that is available for warriors for just $27. (not an affiliate link) http://www.warriorforum.com/warrior-...lionaires.html

        Lately, I've been trying to have AdSense earn me significant money and then also earn money through Etsy. I've been devoting my energies there right now, but I'm not sure how fruitful those will be.
        I think you can still make a lot of money with adsense, but you may have trouble if you're only going to rely on search engines for your traffic. I think the volatile nature of SEO make adsense a more difficult strategy to monetize with than it once was.
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      • Profile picture of the author IMSince2003
        Originally Posted by Michael55555 View Post

        I've dabbled in most of the rest of what I think of when I hear earning money online.
        I could devote more time into just strait affiliate marketing, but I usually have a hard time being passionate about that.
        You have stated your own reasons why this is not working for you. If you've really tried to do this for 6 years and have not succeeded, then I'm not optimistic about you turning it around, even with a coach to guide you.
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      • Profile picture of the author RPaige
        If you have not given list building a serious try, then you really need to spend some time and energy on this. Do not just "try". It takes time, but with perseverance it can be done.

        Your list should be nurtured as it is one of the most valuable trafficking tools you have. Just my opinion, but begin to build your list, nurture your list, and it will begin to love you. Then, and only then, sell to your list.
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        • Profile picture of the author Michael Ten
          Originally Posted by letsmakeit View Post

          Throwing everything else out is the easy part . Its finding something that works that is the hard part. OP I hope you can find something that works because actually the hard work is the easiest part.
          I believe that!

          Originally Posted by John Romaine View Post

          Is that all?

          Ive spent 4 years and over $150,000, and even that is peanuts compared to some people.
          I do not doubt that at all. Everyone has different risk tolerance. Also, if I had already achieved a net return on my investment consistently then I'm sure my number would be significantly higher.

          Originally Posted by RPaige View Post

          If you have not given list building a serious try, then you really need to spend some time and energy on this. Do not just "try". It takes time, but with perseverance it can be done.

          Your list should be nurtured as it is one of the most valuable trafficking tools you have. Just my opinion, but begin to build your list, nurture your list, and it will begin to love you. Then, and only then, sell to your list.
          Definitely! PeerFly may just be the way to go with that. Luke provided some interesting information.
          http://www.warriorforum.com/mobile-m...ml#post7067310
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      • Profile picture of the author Michael Ten
        Originally Posted by kazim View Post

        I tried 2 years for earning in online. After 2 years I have got success.
        Nice. That is at least four years faster than me! Good work.

        Originally Posted by HobNobSoldier View Post

        OK I've skimmed this post, you've got some pretty high level people giving you advice.
        I can sympathize since I have been in this 'game' for around 5 months now and have spent at least 2 or 3 thousand bucks, mostly on building a list of freebie seekers...I have spent less than a $1000 on products, by using sites that enable you to get products cheaper.

        I've probably earned that $1000 back but I am getting pretty discouraged with list building for the simple reason that I find it hard to justify creating a product showing how to make money when I haven't actually made much.

        I am switching my efforts to CPA/PPC type things so I can start earning money in relation to the hours I put in. Then once I have some income coming in I will refocus on product creation - once I have something genuine to write about!

        I would highly suggest you try this tactic. It requires some serious effort to build a list purely on affiliate products. You will need to be kicking ass in JV's, Mini events etc. And there are better ways IMO but they require your own product.

        And then of course you need to learn copywriting, which you can pickup along the way while doing CPx/PPx type stuff.

        I hope that makes sense, I just got accepted in Peerfly and another great network, and after seeing this thread I am even more motivated than ever

        Time to read 'newbie411' and get to it!

        p.s. You need to get a PO Box immediately. S4it or get of the pot as they say!

        Edit: Join a mastermind; John Thornhill's, Partnership To Success is an excellent choice. I just joined and it has every possible step covered. I do not have time to do it right now and am putting it on hold a bit while I concentrate on earning some cash as above.But for product creation it can't be beat! IMO
        I'm glad this thread helped to motivate you!

        Originally Posted by fin View Post

        Radical life extension blog?

        Seems like a winner to me.

        You already have a good you recommend. That's something to promote. Write your own PDF and sell that.
        I want to be selling things on Kindle store. Selling it myself though might cut out the middle man. I actually have something for sale on the Kindle store but have not focused my efforts on promoting or marketing it.

        I also just want to say that I have found many of these replies to be helpful so far and it makes me quite glad that there is so much support on here! I'll also note that I am leaving to go camping soon so my next response will probably be Sunday or Monday if there is anymore follow up after this. Have a great weekend, everyone!
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      • Profile picture of the author Joseph Robinson
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        Originally Posted by erange View Post

        ...you're seriously promoting Squidoo after your frustration with it? LOL
        Football didn't work out for me in high school. Doesn't mean that I'm going to tell every kid that I see that they should never play :rolleyes:.
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        • Profile picture of the author DubDubDubDot
          Originally Posted by Joseph Robinson View Post

          Football didn't work out for me in high school. Doesn't mean that I'm going to tell every kid that I see that they should never play :rolleyes:.
          Do you know anyone who has made decent money from Squidoo? When is the last time you did a Google search and had a Squidoo result show up? I search 10 things a day and I can't recall seeing a Squidoo or HubPages result in years, yet people still advocate using them. It makes me wonder if they are blindly advocating something based on the mere assumption that others are making money with it.

          Originally Posted by napoleonwill View Post

          Anthony Robbins books.
          Motivational speakers don't bring you out of a slump, they just help some depressed people cope with their situation. There is absolutely nothing Tony Robbins or any other speaker can say to you that will take you from step A to step B in business. These guys had their time in the 1980s and a little into the 90s when they were new, but most view them as snake oil salesmen with empty words nowadays. It's why Robbins' TV show got cancelled awhile back. He's an unwanted character out of the 80s.
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          • Profile picture of the author Joseph Robinson
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            Originally Posted by DubDubDubDot View Post

            Do you know anyone who has made decent money from Squidoo? When is the last time you did a Google search and had a Squidoo result show up? I search 10 things a day and I can't recall seeing a Squidoo or HubPages result in years, yet people still advocate using them. It makes me wonder if they are blindly advocating something based on the mere assumption that others are making money with it.
            I'm missing the part where I advocated Squidoo. I was merely pointing out that a bad personal experience does not have to be the deciding factor in what you tell others :rolleyes:. Adie might know people who make money with Squidoo, and that's why he/she still spoke of its value in this thread even though he/she failed personally.
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  • Profile picture of the author Bluestarace
    Since you like art a lot, what about earning affiliate commissions on art products (books, painting materials etc)?
    If you decide to do that, make sure to build a list so that you don't waste your hard-earned traffic.
    Also, if you do make an art blog for affiliate marketing, here is an idea to drive traffic.
    Since you already make YouTube videos, you could make tutorials where you show your subscribers how to paint...different techniques etc, and then leave a link to your blog in the description box. Just an idea.

    Just make sure your videos are of the highest quality since there are already some good artists on YouTube.

    Hope this helps
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    • Profile picture of the author fin
      Blog in specific topic.
      Drive traffic.
      Have a nice opt-in.
      Build a list.
      Build a relationship.
      Sell them products.

      You can play the rest by ear.
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    • Profile picture of the author theory expert
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      Originally Posted by Bluestarace View Post

      Since you like art a lot, what about earning affiliate commissions on art products (books, painting materials etc)?
      If you decide to do that, make sure to build a list so that you don't waste your hard-earned traffic.
      Also, if you do make an art blog for affiliate marketing, here is an idea to drive traffic.
      Since you already make YouTube videos, you could make tutorials where you show your subscribers how to paint...different techniques etc, and then leave a link to your blog in the description box. Just an idea.

      Just make sure your videos are of the highest quality since there are already some good artists on YouTube.

      Hope this helps
      Can you paint a bigger picture? I am not getting the correlation of art tutorials of him painting and selling real art work products. Unless sells affiliate "how to paint" or something.

      P.S. Pun was intended
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      • Profile picture of the author Bluestarace
        Originally Posted by theory expert View Post

        Can you paint a bigger picture? I am not getting the correlation of art tutorials of him painting and selling real art work products. Unless sells affiliate "how to paint" or something.

        P.S. Pun was intended
        Oh I wasn't taking about his own paintings...I was talking about him earning commissions by promoting art products from Amazon or something.
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  • Profile picture of the author Troy_Phillips
    Originally Posted by Michael55555 View Post

    I've been trying to earn money online for over six years. I've spent easily over $1,000 in attempting to do so. I have earned far less than that as income. I've invested thousands of hours into this and have earned cents an hour. How should I proceed to be successful? Thanks.

    I will persist until I succeed. Never give up. Take action.
    Out of those 6 years how much time has been devoted to sending targeted traffic to a buy button?
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  • Profile picture of the author Sean Erickson
    Hey Michael.
    Sent you a request on skype.
    So you have been at it for 6 years and made less than 1000$? Not bad because many doesn't even make a single dime. I didn't for the first 2 years .
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    • Profile picture of the author theory expert
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      Originally Posted by Sean Erickson View Post

      Hey Michael.
      Sent you a request on skype.
      So you have been at it for 6 years and made less than 1000$? Not bad because many doesn't even make a single dime. I didn't for the first 2 years .
      That's not what he said

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    • Profile picture of the author Michael Ten
      Originally Posted by Sean Erickson View Post

      Hey Michael.
      Sent you a request on skype.
      So you have been at it for 6 years and made less than 1000$? Not bad because many doesn't even make a single dime. I didn't for the first 2 years .
      I accepted. Yes. I've been at it for 6 years. I've earned less than $1,000 (but more than $100). I've spent/invested more than $1,000. I've had a net loss, by quite a margin.

      @AM "The primary reason people have trouble with IM is that they don't do what they don't want to do."

      If I want to earn decent money, I'll go get 9-5 employment. I am quite educated - 2 degrees. I don't want to do that, though. I'd rather be my own boss. Maybe I need to do the things that I don't want to do to be my own boss, and maybe that would at least be better than being in a golden cage. Ideally though, I'd like to monetize my passions, which I've been trying to do.
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      • Profile picture of the author imwebmasters
        Originally Posted by Michael55555 View Post

        I accepted. Yes. I've been at it for 6 years. I've earned less than $1,000 (but more than $100). I've spent/invested more than $1,000. I've had a net loss, by quite a margin.

        @AM "The primary reason people have trouble with IM is that they don't do what they don't want to do."

        If I want to earn decent money, I'll go get 9-5 employment. I am quite educated - 2 degrees. I don't want to do that, though. I'd rather be my own boss. Maybe I need to do the things that I don't want to do to be my own boss, and maybe that would at least be better than being in a golden cage. Ideally though, I'd like to monetize my passions, which I've been trying to do.
        Doing what you have a passion for is a good thing. But, you need to have a plan on how to be able make some money from that passion. Also, you need to be sure if it's even possible to do so realistically. A lot of people have lots of ideas, and sadly, many haven't thought them through on how to execute their plan properly. You usually need a good understand of what's needed to be done in order to succeed.

        Were you consistent and did you have a plan or analyzed other people doing what you did?
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  • Profile picture of the author FelixUng
    6 years is more than enough to prove that you're determined. At the same time, you sounded like you try to do everything on your own. Why not you invest in a coach that can guide you through? With proper coaching on how to invest your time and money, you should be retiring in another 6 years or less.

    All the best!
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  • Profile picture of the author TeamBringIt
    Originally Posted by Michael55555 View Post

    I've been trying to earn money online for over six years. I've spent easily over $1,000 in attempting to do so. I have earned far less than that as income. I've invested thousands of hours into this and have earned cents an hour. How should I proceed to be successful? Thanks.

    I will persist until I succeed. Never give up. Take action.
    It's obvious that you are a hard worker. You seriously need to get a mentor or join some sort of skype group and stop going at this alone. 6 years is a long time and it is time that you, follow the advice & direction of those that have had-- more success than you have.

    Don't feel too bad, you have take action and actually done something. finding a mentor will make quite a difference in your results & life!
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  • Profile picture of the author Walter Parrish
    Originally Posted by Michael55555 View Post

    I've been trying to earn money online for over six years. I've spent easily over $1,000 in attempting to do so. I have earned far less than that as income. I've invested thousands of hours into this and have earned cents an hour. How should I proceed to be successful? Thanks.

    I will persist until I succeed. Never give up. Take action.
    well, what did you spend money on and what have you tried? surely you have learned a lot even though you may not have made any real monies yet. I always recommend that beginners find a good guru that will go over the basics list building, forum marketing, blogging, etc. And then from there move into what they like. Keep in mind though that I was AM close to when it was all beginning and only recently started again. It's a bit easier for me because all the stuff that sidetracks others wasn't around when I started, so it's easier for me to focus. My biggest issues however is finding and learning the stuff that will do what I want it to do. Wordpress is a good program, but it is also a learning curve especially when you know what you want already.
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  • Profile picture of the author fearlesspioneer
    All you need is focusing. You are running adsense websites right now. Just focus on this untile you make good money from it. Learn how to make money with adsense here and try different strategies. No doubt you will succeed finally!
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  • Profile picture of the author WEBGEEK
    Cant believe that you are not successful even after trying 6 years.It means that You lack necessary knowledge about internet marketing. Take advice from veterans
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  • Just remember, you've stuck with this for longer than most people would have, so that already proves you're in this for real.

    I'd suggest building a list, once you find out what you want to do. Maybe affiliate marketing could be the answer if there's enough related high value products to sell, whether physical or digital.

    But, I've learned that when it comes to IM, you really stand so much of a better chance when you're in a niche of a hot market. I realized that the only way I could succeed was by giving up doing the things I loved the most in exchange for something I was less interested in, but was so much more popular.
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  • Profile picture of the author Aira Bongco
    Hmm you seem to be missing something. In that span of time, how many campaigns have you launched, how many products have you created and how many methods have you tried? Do you work at a 9-5 job while doing this? What skills have you learned? Did you learn to analyze markets and sell to them? Did you learn copywriting?

    If you learned all these, have you tried to apply them or implement the methods? Also, I'm quite surprised that you don't have a list.
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  • Profile picture of the author danilion55
    Haven't you learned any skills during last six years? Like graphics , web designing and developing managing hosting sites etc. these are basics you must learn only these skills can easily earn you handsome amount
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  • Profile picture of the author MilkerFocus
    6 years!
    You need a right direction.
    Find a warrior you trust and let him/ her direct you.

    "Take Action" & "Never give up" are important,
    but without right direction and mindset,
    You will never be successful.

    Assume success on the left, you use all of your energy to run to right side,
    How stupid it's?

    Marcus
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  • Profile picture of the author FirstSocialApps
    You didnt give exact numbers but let me guesstimate:
    So you spent between $1k and $5k in the last 6 years. Lets call it $2.5K
    You brought in less then you spent. Lets call it $2K

    This means you averaged an income of around $27 a month. Gross with a net loss. So what are you doing wrong? Answer is simple. Your attempting a profession that for one reason or another is not suited to you. Its great that you say persistence and all that stuff..and people will say the thing there expected to say .. like .. dont give up .. bla bal .. but really, give up, this is not somethign for you. No shame in admitting that. Not everyone is good at everything. I mean really if you had a min. wage job paying $7 an hour, working 5 hours a week for the last 6 years you would have earned $10K or 5x what your gross marketing efforts are. So again I say.. stop trying to do something that isnt suited to you .. and find something that is.
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    • Profile picture of the author jamesrich1
      Originally Posted by FirstSocialApps View Post

      Your attempting a profession that for one reason or another is not suited to you. Its great that you say persistence and all that stuff..and people will say the thing there expected to say .. like .. dont give up .. bla bal .. but really, give up, this is not somethign for you. No shame in admitting that.
      This is the worst advice I have ever heard someone give another person. WHY do I say that? David Wood failed for 6 years straight and he refused to give up. He kept going because for winners QUITTING doesn't exist. He kept believing in himself no matter how much temporary defeat he faced. Well in his 7th year he started having success. By year 10 he is now averaging $350,000 a month. Your advice would of been for him to quit too right? HORRIBLE ADVICE!!!!

      If someone climbs a mountain for 6 years and they are close to the top but don't know it are you going to tell them to quit too? HORRIBLE ADVICE!!!

      Michael, you have a wealth of abundance but I suspect that the main problem is lack of laser targeted focus. I will give you a perfect example. If you were to write 2 articles a day towards a specific profitable niche. Health and fitness, money or relationships you would have 4,380 articles. If you then took each of those articles and followed Alexa Smith and MYOB's advice you would be making a full time living online.

      Imagine if you could go back to high school with what you know now. You would get the hottest girl, you would get straight A's and you would go any college you wanted. You need to first decide on what problem you are going to solve for a specific target audience and you need to focus solely on producing HIGH QUALITY CONTENT to help that target audience solve that problem. Clickbank has a ton of niches and subniches to choose from. Focus on getting exposure to your content whether its guest posting, syndication or SEO you need exposure.

      You know what the issue has been so make the change TODAY and do not make the same mistake past today. Don't buy anymore products. For you its 95% action and 5% into continuing personal development and marketing training. What exactly is your definite purpose? There is no shortcut and that is what you subconciously have been searching for. YOU need to FOCUS and put your all into this. Content marketing other then paid advertising is the most powerful scalable marketing strategy that exists. Think of a snowball traveling downhill picking up steam. The rest of this year and 2013 is your breakthrough. Make it happen!!!
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      • Michael, you have a wealth of abundance but I suspect that the main problem is lack of laser targeted focus. I will give you a perfect example. If you were to write 2 articles a day towards a specific profitable niche. Health and fitness, money or relationships you would have 4,380 articles. If you then took each of those articles and followed Alexa Smith and MYOB's advice you would be making a full time living online.
        This ^

        Imagine if you could go back to high school with what you know now. You would get the hottest girl, you would get straight A's and you would go any college you wanted. You need to first decide on what problem you are going to solve for a specific target audience and you need to focus solely on producing HIGH QUALITY CONTENT to help that target audience solve that problem. Clickbank has a ton of niches and subniches to choose from. Focus on getting exposure to your content whether its guest posting, syndication or SEO you need exposure.
        This, especially that you need to focus on solving a problem.....

        What exactly is your definite purpose? There is no shortcut and that is what you subconciously have been searching for. YOU need to FOCUS and put your all into this. Content marketing other then paid advertising is the most powerful scalable marketing strategy that exists.
        Yes! Also, I think that maybe you've been trying to fit IM to your own desire to create content about things you enjoy. However, what's necessary is finding a hot, in demand market to work in.

        I did take a look at the site fluffy linked to though, and it does look like you talk about random things. You really need a targeted approach to make this work. Also, not everyone is a writer, just like the fact that not everyone is a singer, not everyone can play guitar, etc. Some marketers choose to get someone else to write. Another option would be to make your own videos and use them as a source of content. This doesn't have to be very involved, since you could use slides and things like that.

        But keep this in mind. If you've already made some money, then you've proved you can do this. That being said, I still strongly suggest that you build a list. Just make sure it's in a niche of a high demand market. Think about anything you enjoy that might cross paths with hot markets. In fact, I'd suggest brainstorming everything you're into, and then seeing what might go hand in hand with an in demand market.

        Another thing I've learned is not to torture yourself. There were times when I had to take a 6 month break or longer from it and just clear my head before I stated to make money.

        Edit: Also, you have to really sit down and look at the reasons you want to make money with an online business. What do you enjoy about the actual process of running an online business? Some people love writing the perfect headline, some love the social aspect, etc.

        In short, find out if there's enough about IM that you enjoy doing. If there is, then capitalize on those strengths.
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  • Profile picture of the author TheSalesBooster
    Originally Posted by Nio93 View Post

    If you've been trying to make money online for 6 years and haven't passed the $1,000 mark you really need to consider quitting. Now in this industry we hear "never give up" alot.. but if you've tried consistently for 6 years.. and I mean really tried, and haven't seen a return of ATLEAST $1,000.

    I'm honestly doing you a favor by telling you to just quit. Don't look back. And try something else.
    I was going to post something similar to this earlier, but forgot.

    If you've been doing this for 6 years and you haven't made any real income and even more important, any real knowledge... You probably should think about something else.

    From your original post I'm guessing that you still are a newbie. I don't think you've learned much over those 6 years. If you can't do anything to advance yourself doing something for 6 years, you are in the wrong field.
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  • Profile picture of the author onlinebizgiant
    Everything is a lesson. Refusing to learn that lesson means it will be repeated until we learn the lesson. 6 years is a long time, what do you do? if you disclose about your business model we can help you out.
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  • Profile picture of the author TerranceCharles
    Overnight success can take up to 5 - 10 years before you find your break for some people. You're in this for the long-term, it's a lifestyle - not a temporary escape Start building your list and recommend affiliate products. Then, create your own products and get affiliates to promote it to their list. Rinse and repeat.
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  • Profile picture of the author Joseph Robinson
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    Originally Posted by Nio93 View Post

    If you've been trying to make money online for 6 years and haven't passed the $1,000 mark you really need to consider quitting. Now in this industry we hear "never give up" alot.. but if you've tried consistently for 6 years.. and I mean really tried, and haven't seen a return of ATLEAST $1,000.

    I'm honestly doing you a favor by telling you to just quit. Don't look back. And try something else.
    This, and thank God someone in the thread said it. Small business isn't like youth sports, where they have to let you play and everyone gets a trophy at the end. It's like the MLB, where spots are limited and people who think they're good enough fall by the wayside every day (and no one blinks).

    I actually like that analogy, think I'll run with it lol.
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    Big Mistake is a Big Lesson if you learn from it.
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  • Profile picture of the author FilipinoRockstar
    You know, if you're going to spend that much, you might as well get yourself a mentor. But not just anyone, someone you trust with credibility.
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  • Profile picture of the author Marcus Rockey
    You have at least one entrepreneurial quality...

    The spirit to never give up...

    Take some hope that most successful marketers fail online and offline before they succeed.

    Yes six years is a long time but I would recommend to look at your strategy first and create a goal around that strategy...

    Or check this thread out...
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  • Profile picture of the author JoeyXoto
    I read this and came right on down to reply to you;

    "I've not given list building a serious go."

    Had you been building a list for 6 years, you could have been Further than you probably are now. I don’t mean that to put you down, but I mean it as a way to motivate you to definitely re-look into that. Some of the top internet marketers in the world use list building, so I urge you to look into this.

    I also believe that you may need a coach. It can be hard without a proper guide/step-by-step plan. After all you are building a business, and doing that with no guidance can be hard.

    I recommend trying to find a good coach/coaching program, make sure you stick to it 100%. Do not fall astray and look for other ways to make money.

    On top of this, make sure you are making daily work plans. You should be making task sheet every single day, ticking off your to-dos as you go; if you do this every day, you are making progress that you can track. You will be shocked at how much you can actually get done when your focus is solely on the task at hand on your list.

    I hope these little tips help. There’s a lot of different things you could be doing wrong, and without a coach it would be hard to determine them all. So all I can say is make sure your mindset is in the right place.

    1. Be positive
    2. Don’t chase money, but try to help people; this pays off
    3. Don’t work too hard, work smart
    4. Don’t be hard on yourself
    5. Have fun with it
    6. Work in a niche you are passionate about or no very well, this will come off with your marketing efforts

    Good luck my friend. I can recommend Alex Jeffreys as a decent coach; he’s got me off to a great start with my business. I also struggled for a very long time.

    Cheers.
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    Build one website and stick with it. After six years you'll be making money
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    I wrote a Blog about this recently, I jumped full time into IM in 2007 and made $3,000 my first month and never looked back. Good luck my friend!!! There is some good advice here.

    http://www.warriorforum.com/blogs/sd...ey-online.html

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  • Profile picture of the author minisitetycoon
    I was just saying in another post that I have found the one real program that works. I found the Real Fortune 500 companies, like Blockbuster, book clubs, credt offers, game sites, Gamefly, wrinkle creams and many many others.

    They really pay to Paypal and you ask the main company for your money whenever you want it. People are easily making a few thousand a week, Real Money, No Joke!

    NO FEE to join which makes this Real as you heard, when the program is FREE to join and you can start earning immediately.. then you know you found the Real One!

    Super easy to get referrals too, as other online marketers will join, fill out a few trial offers with these companies so can qualify to get paid too!

    It's like a chain reaction, you make money from the referrals who want to join this, and they get to join it by qualifying for the program. Credit card is only needed for a few trial offers, but you only have to do it once to qualify.. and you are done.

    I will post it in warrior forum in the very near future just for you.
    It will also be in my signature, so watch for my signature as well as my post.

    Right now I am getting my Kindle cover package ready for WSO.

    I was blessed to find this program as I also have been hunting for the best work at home program, and thanks to the grace of God.. I have found it, and I will definitely be sharing this secret program with you and all warrior forum members. Promise!

    I got a lot on my plate right at this moment, but I am getting ready to go on it.
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  • Profile picture of the author goguy
    Seriously:

    1. Do what you are passionate about, if you don't believe in it don't do it.

    2. Believe in yourself, that you can do what you have choosen.

    3. It's important. Do it.
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    • Profile picture of the author Cee
      Originally Posted by goguy View Post

      Seriously:

      1. Do what you are passionate about, if you don't believe in it don't do it.
      Doing what you're passionate about is great, but only if there is a market for it. Otherwise it's merely a hobby.
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  • Profile picture of the author minisitetycoon
    Originally Posted by Michael55555 View Post

    I've been trying to earn money online for over six years. I've spent easily over $1,000 in attempting to do so. I have earned far less than that as income. I've invested thousands of hours into this and have earned cents an hour. How should I proceed to be successful? Thanks.

    I will persist until I succeed. Never give up. Take action.
    When I post the True real program I have found, you will jump for Joy!
    Watch for my post in the near future my friend. I will even put it in my signature as well. Your hope has arrived. I sound excited, don't I? ..lol
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  • Profile picture of the author gpwilson
    Everything needs time to shape. As you have said that you are struggling over here for 6 years but could not get success is really shocking to me. I want to suggest you that you should not focus on too many ways of earning. Try to learn one or two good way of earning. I believe, within very short period of time you would see good amount of progress.
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  • Profile picture of the author cwill184
    Michael,
    Although you have been trying to make money at internet marketing for 6 years, it sounds from one of your posts that you don't have enough focus. You say that you have 'dabbled in most of the rest of what I think of when I hear earning money online' This just isn't going to cut it.

    I don't mean to sound harsh but you need a wake up call. If you have been doing the same sort of things for 6 years, the first thing you need to do is stop. Have a look at what went wrong in every one of your projects or websites and write them down as a list of what not to do.
    You then need to pick one thing, affiliate marketing, amazon type site or an ecommerce shop etc. Do your research on market, predicted sales etc and if it is worthwhile, then have a go and then stick to it.

    Don't get side tracked by the latest get rich scheme or make money online ebook or advice as it is mainly rubbish. The stuff that makes money, real money, people won't tell you about because it wouldn't make much money for long if everyone was doing it.

    Good Luck
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  • Michael, can I ask what you're trying to accomplish with this site?

    Do Not Break Laws & Be Creative In Finding Ways To Make Money

    I "get" that it has AdSense on it. But I don't understand your articles. They're weirdly written in an abstract, impersonal, almost robotic style. To tell you the truth, the article I referenced above frightened me a little.

    Do you enjoy writing these or do you think this is what you have to do to drive traffic?

    fLufF
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    • Profile picture of the author Joseph Robinson
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      Originally Posted by fluffythewondercat View Post

      do you think this is what you have to do to drive traffic?

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      It seems to be this Fluff. It's a lot of the same on the Youtube channel he runs, kind of going through the motions because that's what poster bob384234829348 said would work.

      As he has hopefully started to realize though, business is not a simple input>>>output equation.
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  • Profile picture of the author Paul Dunstan
    Build a List, Build a List, Build a List.

    If you want to know how to do that - ask around here and you will get plenty of advice. There are a load of good WSOs, and even some free offers which can help you.

    You can even ask me - but to make sure people don't think I am answering you only to make money myself - I am happy to direct you to other people. Look for Igor Kheifets on here, for example. He can help you out. So can Phil Ainsworth. So can Rob Cornish.

    Once you have a list - you will be fine and dandy!

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  • Profile picture of the author LetsGoViral
    If you really invested so much and got zero results, then maybe IM is not for you. Or maybe you should alter your plan of action dramatically.
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  • Profile picture of the author Thomas Smale
    I haven't read the other replies, but if you've honestly spent 6 years and "thousands" of hours and earned less than $1000, then IM isn't for you.

    I know people will say "don't give up", but being realistic, you should be making money for now and IM really isn't for everyone.
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    • Profile picture of the author Michael Ten
      Wow. I thought this would be off the front, but it was not. So here are some more replies. I'm quite blown away, I think in a good way.

      Originally Posted by Aira Bongco View Post

      Hmm you seem to be missing something. In that span of time, how many campaigns have you launched, how many products have you created and how many methods have you tried? Do you work at a 9-5 job while doing this? What skills have you learned? Did you learn to analyze markets and sell to them? Did you learn copywriting?

      If you learned all these, have you tried to apply them or implement the methods? Also, I'm quite surprised that you don't have a list.
      I have tried. My hesitancy in building a list is that I think with the CANSPAM laws you need to have a physical address on all the e-mails you send out. I've had a PO box sporadically over the last 6 years, but not enough to justify to myself putting lots of energy into building a list. I hope that I'm wrong about needing an address for a list, but I don't think that I am, and I won't put my home address on them. I may or may not be able and willing to commit to having a PO or Suite Box. I'm not sure.

      Originally Posted by danilion55 View Post

      Haven't you learned any skills during last six years? Like graphics , web designing and developing managing hosting sites etc. these are basics you must learn only these skills can easily earn you handsome amount
      Yes I have a lot of those skills. I'm really not passionate about being payed to use them and I only use them for myself. I'd just about rather just get a 9-5 job rather than do that. But it is a good idea and more power to those sell those services and enjoy doing it or at least don't mind doing it.

      Originally Posted by imwebmasters View Post

      Doing what you have a passion for is a good thing. But, you need to have a plan on how to be able make some money from that passion. Also, you need to be sure if it's even possible to do so realistically. A lot of people have lots of ideas, and sadly, many haven't thought them through on how to execute their plan properly. You usually need a good understand of what's needed to be done in order to succeed.

      Were you consistent and did you have a plan or analyzed other people doing what you did?
      Yes. I NEED to have a better plan. I've been sporadically consistent. There was a point when I was achieving some minor but significant results. I need to try and re-create that again.

      Originally Posted by PerformanceMan View Post

      Build one website and stick with it. After six years you'll be making money
      There is one site that I have had since the beginning and it is still up. It is mostly on hiatus.

      Originally Posted by goguy View Post

      Seriously:

      1. Do what you are passionate about, if you don't believe in it don't do it.

      2. Believe in yourself, that you can do what you have choosen.

      3. It's important. Do it.
      I like that.

      Originally Posted by minisitetycoon View Post

      When I post the True real program I have found, you will jump for Joy!
      Watch for my post in the near future my friend. I will even put it in my signature as well. Your hope has arrived. I sound excited, don't I? ..lol
      I hope that that is true. Yes. You do seem excited.

      Originally Posted by fluffythewondercat View Post

      Michael, can I ask what you're trying to accomplish with this site?

      Do Not Break Laws & Be Creative In Finding Ways To Make Money

      I "get" that it has AdSense on it. But I don't understand your articles. They're weirdly written in an abstract, impersonal, almost robotic style. To tell you the truth, the article I referenced above frightened me a little.

      Do you enjoy writing these or do you think this is what you have to do to drive traffic?

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      Well. I have worked in my 9-5 employment with some individuals who have broken laws to try and "earn" (really obtain) money. They go to jail and get on probation and they generally don't enjoy the results. That article is targeted to someone who is seriously considering doing illegal actions to obtain money. If that article is read by its target audience and they go down a different path, then I will feel really good. I'll probably never know if that happens unless someone tells me. I really do enjoy writing a lot of them. My writing style can be a bit weird when I write these articles, I admit. Some articles I write I don't really enjoy writing much, but I hope someone might find them useful.


      Originally Posted by Thomas Smale View Post

      I haven't read the other replies, but if you've honestly spent 6 years and "thousands" of hours and earned less than $1000, then IM isn't for you.

      I know people will say "don't give up", but being realistic, you should be making money for now and IM really isn't for everyone.
      I wanted to respond to one of the response that tells me to quit. I know of musicians who have tried to be successful and they only became significantly successful after 9 years, so I think that I least owe myself another three years and then I'll reassess after that. Lololol.

      I may have to make another post because this was responses only to the posts on the first page that were made after my last one.

      So to summarize. Yes, I do need to change/modify/evolve my plan. Yes, I need to network more with those who are already successful. Yes, I should probably start building a list in a committed way.
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      • Profile picture of the author kindsvater
        I have tried. My hesitancy in building a list is that I think with the CANSPAM laws you need to have a physical address on all the e-mails you send out. I've had a PO box sporadically over the last 6 years, but not enough to justify to myself putting lots of energy into building a list. I hope that I'm wrong about needing an address for a list, but I don't think that I am, and I won't put my home address on them. I may or may not be able and willing to commit to having a PO or Suite Box. I'm not sure.
        Quit making pathetic excuses.

        A PO Box is fine. FYI - there are some websites called Bing and Google where you can type in a question like: can I use a po box for can-spam - and they will give you links to sites like the FTC and other reputable places that would have answered your question in a few seconds.

        Assuming you get off your duff to get a box and start an online business, your mileage driving to and from the post office every day, 6 days a week (whether you have any mail or not!) is a tax deduction.

        The mileage deduction will easily exceed the cost of the box.

        There, just made you a few bucks by decreasing your taxes.

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      • Profile picture of the author Karen Connell
        Originally Posted by Michael55555 View Post



        ... I may or may not be able and willing to commit to having a PO or Suite Box. I'm not sure...
        It seems to me that you are not really ready to commit to anything. To achieve any success in life or business you have to commit to something.
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        • Profile picture of the author Michael Ten
          Originally Posted by gcbmark20 View Post

          Hi Michael,

          It seems as though you have been falling for the new product after new product craze.

          I have been there my friend and know it is hard to admit that if you can't beat em you should join them instead.

          What I mean by this is that I was un-aware at the time that I was on someones list and they would just send me offer after offer.

          Because I had bought their recommendations before I was probably on their "buyer lists" and this would allow them to know that I was really interested in what they had to say.

          I kept on hearing about list building and finally the penny dropped that this is what the people i had bought from so many times were doing themselves.

          If I would recommend anything worth your time and effort it would be to choose a niche and start building a list of subscribers from it.

          You can then communicate with them by providing quality training and any relevant info that may help them and make them appreciate you as a marketer.

          This will help you then to make affiliate recommendations once you have built up a relationship with your list and they have shown they want to hear from you because you can see from the open rates and click-throughs you receive when you send an email out to them.

          Hope this helps you make the right decision and all the best with your future efforts!!!
          I hope that it helps me to make the right decisions, too!

          Originally Posted by Long Beach Nathan View Post

          This ^



          This, especially that you need to focus on solving a problem.....



          Yes! Also, I think that maybe you've been trying to fit IM to your own desire to create content about things you enjoy. However, what's necessary is finding a hot, in demand market to work in.

          I did take a look at the site fluffy linked to though, and it does look like you talk about random things. You really need a targeted approach to make this work. Also, not everyone is a writer, just like the fact that not everyone is a singer, not everyone can play guitar, etc. Some marketers choose to get someone else to write. Another option would be to make your own videos and use them as a source of content. This doesn't have to be very involved, since you could use slides and things like that.

          But keep this in mind. If you've already made some money, then you've proved you can do this. That being said, I still strongly suggest that you build a list. Just make sure it's in a niche of a high demand market. Think about anything you enjoy that might cross paths with hot markets. In fact, I'd suggest brainstorming everything you're into, and then seeing what might go hand in hand with an in demand market.

          Another thing I've learned is not to torture yourself. There were times when I had to take a 6 month break or longer from it and just clear my head before I stated to make money.

          Edit: Also, you have to really sit down and look at the reasons you want to make money with an online business. What do you enjoy about the actual process of running an online business? Some people love writing the perfect headline, some love the social aspect, etc.

          In short, find out if there's enough about IM that you enjoy doing. If there is, then capitalize on those strengths.
          Yes! Don't torture myself?!?! I agree!!!!!

          Originally Posted by kindsvater View Post

          Quit making pathetic excuses.

          A PO Box is fine. FYI - there are some websites called Bing and Google where you can type in a question like: can I use a po box for can-spam - and they will give you links to sites like the FTC and other reputable places that would have answered your question in a few seconds.

          Assuming you get off your duff to get a box and start an online business, your mileage driving to and from the post office every day, 6 days a week (whether you have any mail or not!) is a tax deduction.

          The mileage deduction will easily exceed the cost of the box.

          There, just made you a few bucks by decreasing your taxes.

          .
          I'm not sure if your math fits my particular situation, but I will take it under advisement.
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          • Profile picture of the author Joseph Robinson
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            Originally Posted by Michael55555 View Post

            I'm not sure if your math fits my particular situation, but I will take it under advisement.
            Qualify that statement. I'm not buying.
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      • Profile picture of the author kenzik
        I wanted to respond to one of the response that tells me to quit. I know of musicians who have tried to be successful and they only became significantly successful after 9 years, so I think that I least owe myself another three years and then I'll reassess after that. Lololol.
        I think the analogy is a terrible one.

        Becoming a successful band is akin to winning the lottery. There are plenty of great bands that are better than what labels pick up. Becoming successful in music is about being in the right place at the right time. Plenty of bands sell their music, have followings, etc... but if the A&R guys don't see your band the night you are playing or didn't find your YouTube video, you don't get the job.

        Your business shouldn't be about winning the lottery.

        Ideally your business serves a hungry, buying market with a superior product/service than what competitors can offer. Then it is simply a matter of getting eyeballs on it.
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      • Profile picture of the author FirstSocialApps
        Originally Posted by Michael55555 View Post

        Yes. I NEED to have a better plan. I've been sporadically consistent. There was a point when I was achieving some minor but significant results.
        LOL this is great. You do realize that both of those statements are oxymoron's right?

        Really man. Get a job at McDonalds. Youll be better off.
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    • Profile picture of the author options
      I have spent around 4 years doing Internet marketing, from Adsense to seo services. I have worked 14 plus hours a day everyday. So you're not alone.

      I am only now starting to see the fruits of my labour, some people just fall on their feet, while others take time.

      My guess is, is that you keep jumping onto new things. Imagine if you stuck with one thing over that 6 years.

      I think that to myself, imagine if I put all my efforts into one website. Where would that website be today? how many pages of content would it have? How much of a list would I have ? How many page 1 rankings would I have?
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      • Profile picture of the author Black Hat Cat
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        This is the worst advice I have ever heard someone give another person. WHY do I say that? David Wood failed for 6 years straight and he refused to give up. He kept going because for winners QUITTING doesn't exist. He kept believing in himself no matter how much temporary defeat he faced. Well in his 7th year he started having success. By year 10 he is now averaging $350,000 a month. Your advice would of been for him to quit too right? HORRIBLE ADVICE!!!!
        Actually the advice was spot on. Need more convincing? Here you go:

        Originally Posted by Michael55555 View Post


        I have tried. My hesitancy in building a list is that I think with the CANSPAM laws you need to have a physical address on all the e-mails you send out. I've had a PO box sporadically over the last 6 years, but not enough to justify to myself putting lots of energy into building a list. I hope that I'm wrong about needing an address for a list, but I don't think that I am, and I won't put my home address on them. I may or may not be able and willing to commit to having a PO or Suite Box. I'm not sure.
        Sorry, but that's not the post of a person who has any serious intentions of trying to make a living online. It just isn't. The David Wood you mentioned spent 6 years trying to succeed; the OP has spent 6 years or more dreaming of success. There's a difference. You can't quit what you haven't even started.
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    • Profile picture of the author cashp0wer
      Yeah, 6 years is a very long time to not be making any money. You really should think about if IM is what you want to do. It definitely isn't for every one.
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      • Profile picture of the author Michael Ten
        Originally Posted by cashp0wer View Post

        Yeah, 6 years is a very long time to not be making any money. You really should think about if IM is what you want to do. It definitely isn't for every one.
        It is the freedom of being location independent and my own boss that I crave.
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        • Profile picture of the author kindsvater
          The late Corey Rudl made tens of millions of dollars online and was an IM pioneer. You know what he had? A personal coach to kick him in the butt.

          This coach obviously wasn't coaching about IM or anything like that. It was to make sure there was accountability and stuff got done. If you're paying someone you want to make sure you get value, which is an incentive to take action. And, you don't want to have to explain to someone that another week went by without getting that PO Box and starting a list.

          Why don't you contact that Rod Cortez guy, introduce yourself, and ask what it will cost for him to kick you around. Or find someone else you trust where you can divulge what you are doing online, someone to help you develop a very specific gameplan with deadlines, and who will hold your feet to fire.

          Something needs to change and you're simply not getting this done on your own. Many CEO's have personal coaches.

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    • Profile picture of the author JamSlam
      I checked out all the links in your sig. and what I see is lack of direction. You really need to pick something and stick with it. Getting a mentor you can trust is solid, but you still need to stick with something to master it before you move on.

      The lack of passion you mention is a problem. If you want to succeed, you have to find a way to be passionate about what you are doing. You have to take that passion and apply it in 1 direction, not 20.
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      • Profile picture of the author Michael Ten
        Originally Posted by JamSlam View Post

        I checked out all the links in your sig. and what I see is lack of direction. You really need to pick something and stick with it. Getting a mentor you can trust is solid, but you still need to stick with something to master it before you move on.

        The lack of passion you mention is a problem. If you want to succeed, you have to find a way to be passionate about what you are doing. You have to take that passion and apply it in 1 direction, not 20.
        I know what my passions are and I attempt to use them as a vehicle for earning money. In the links in my signature, probably somewhere between 15% and 75% of what is there is about what I am passionate about. The rest is there because I think that it is more of what others are interested in.
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        • Profile picture of the author kindsvater
          Your promotional statement on your Etsy page:

          This is art. This is abstract oil paintings and prints. These abstract oil paintings and prints are for sale. Oil paints allow for vivid color.
          Did a robot write this?

          Come on! You're asking a thousand bucks for some of these works of art.

          Without looking at the paintings, would anything you said cause you to want to look at the paintings?

          Someone comes up to you and says: Michael, tell me about your paintings. And you answer: they are art and I use oil paints for vivid color.

          The result: a weird look and no sale.

          I suggest spending some time in the copyrighting subforum. Perhaps you can find someone who will spend 5 minutes writing something that is actually interesting about your paintings.

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          • Profile picture of the author kindsvater
            Holy crap. This is the lead statement on your Michael White Media Network site:

            Welcome to the network. View and read what is on these sites perhaps. Learning is good.
            Then there is some Adsense and no explanation about what any link is.

            Here's some more tough love. Real tough.

            You should avoid anything that involves written communication.

            Everyone has something they are good at and other stuff they suck at. You are not a good writer. Period.

            Either pay someone else to write for you, or look for other ways to make money online. Maybe you should try video.

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  • Profile picture of the author gcbmark20
    Hi Michael,

    It seems as though you have been falling for the new product after new product craze.

    I have been there my friend and know it is hard to admit that if you can't beat em you should join them instead.

    What I mean by this is that I was un-aware at the time that I was on someones list and they would just send me offer after offer.

    Because I had bought their recommendations before I was probably on their "buyer lists" and this would allow them to know that I was really interested in what they had to say.

    I kept on hearing about list building and finally the penny dropped that this is what the people i had bought from so many times were doing themselves.

    If I would recommend anything worth your time and effort it would be to choose a niche and start building a list of subscribers from it.

    You can then communicate with them by providing quality training and any relevant info that may help them and make them appreciate you as a marketer.

    This will help you then to make affiliate recommendations once you have built up a relationship with your list and they have shown they want to hear from you because you can see from the open rates and click-throughs you receive when you send an email out to them.

    Hope this helps you make the right decision and all the best with your future efforts!!!
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    • Profile picture of the author Edk
      Meeting real live people in my local area was a Big gamechanger for me. As in googling 'Your City' internet marketing group. Hope this helps
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    • Profile picture of the author goindeep
      That's funny seeing as you have this on your site; Legal Ways To Earn Money

      Look I'm not trying to be smart but the first thing is this; get rid of that. You are not making money online and so you should not be "teaching" other's how to, it is not fair on them.

      Second it looks like you are quite creative, maybe you should sell art, design, offer drawing services etc to online marketers. That is what I would do. There are plenty of business people that need these services.

      P.S. for some inspiration, it took me seven years online to start making money consistently: http://www.warriorforum.com/main-int...posts-yay.html

      Good luck!
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  • Profile picture of the author FirstSocialApps
    "This is the worst advice I have ever heard someone give another person. WHY do I say that? David Wood failed for 6 years straight and he refused to give up. He kept going because for winners QUITTING doesn't exist. He kept believing in himself no matter how much temporary defeat he faced. Well in his 7th year he started having success. By year 10 he is now averaging $350,000 a month. Your advice would of been for him to quit too right? HORRIBLE ADVICE!!!!"


    This is 1 person who got lucky. I dont work on luck. The world doesnt work on luck. The OP has all ready lost thousands of dollars in the income he 'could have made' by doing something else for 6 years. Hes not climbing a mountain .. and hes not getting any younger. Everyone has a limited amount of time to earn before they reach retirement age. 6 years is wasted for this guy. He isnt climbing a mountain. And he isnt 'almost to the top', in fact hes still sitting at the bottom, hes refusing to admit that IM is not well suited for him. He needs to do this. There is no shame in admitting that something is not for you and moving on.
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    • Profile picture of the author kindsvater
      This will be a post of harsh reality and a kick in the pants.

      You call yourself educated with two degrees. But look at the website in your signature. Your article, about writing quality articles - which I immediately looked at since that would be a quick path to making money online - starts ...

      "One can write an article by using text to record ideas digitally."

      How To Write & Publish Quality Articles Online

      From there the article gets even worse.

      Harsh reality: your writing is atrocious, generic, and will cause people to click the back button and never return.

      This is the worst article about how to write a quality article I have ever seen.

      Then there is your article about becoming financially independent. Again, a generic mess. This looks like something written by a middle school kid. Not someone with two degrees purporting to impart useful information about becoming financially independent.

      If this is how you write when trying to promote something that could make you money, this a problem.

      Then there is the fact you have been at "this" for 6 years and have made squat. About $10 per month for 72 months.

      You're not serious about making money online. If you are, and have really put in quality time and made an effort to apply sound business and marketing fundamentals (as opposed to garbage opportunities and scams so prevalent online), then I think you need to reflect on the situation and consider something else.

      $8 an hour, working 2000 hours per year, for 6 years, is almost $100,000. Looks like flipping burgers is more profitable.

      Heck, sitting on your butt playing video games for 6 years and making nothing is better than wasting thousands of hours to make $10 per month.

      The additional kick in the pants: there are thousands of posts on this forum with useful information. Read them.

      Here's an idea. Something I did. This forum is owned by Allen Says. I found everything he had written and bought it. I read every post he made. (This was on the old forum so a lot of his posts are now archived in the War Room.) After identifying those who have made real money online, with actual businesses and not just 1-shot product offers, and those who are experts in marketing, copywriting, etc., I bought their material too, made a ton of notes, and used it. If you are not going to do that I'm not sure why you are even here.

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  • Profile picture of the author phenry
    You need to build a list. The money is the list. I do believe that another person posted this answer. There are many ways to build a list but the first thing you need to do is build relationships with other marketers. You can add me on skype philhenry451
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  • Profile picture of the author pennyroll
    Have you seen one technique that you've tried succeed better then others? If so, follow that and improve on it.

    Also if I were you I might spend a bit of time spicing the sites with just a bit of color and something that grabs attention. The content might be fantastic but without something to grab a readers attention

    It look like you've established a decent ranking for a few of your sites listed in your footer. Regarding Adsense I think that you could do a little work with ad placement. I've spend a lot of time simply trying different Adsense placements and have seen drastic improvement making small changes. For example where you run the single ad in the center of your posts, I would think you would have more opportunities for clicks if you had a 250 * 250.
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  • Profile picture of the author Mark72
    $1000 in 6 years isn't that much when you put it in perspective.

    It sounds to me like you don't have and stick to a business model that is is known to produce results for most people.
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  • Profile picture of the author Sarevok
    Ask my man Jim Rohn if he gave up after failing for 6 years?

    Seriously though, you have the desire to succeed, now you need to follow a winning gameplan.

    You have the heart of a lion, but are likely following the advice of sheep.

    Start building a list, start building a list, start building a list.

    What exactly have you been doing for these 6 years?

    Don't get discouraged. But you better start going in another direction.

    All is not lost, I'm confident that you've developed at least something, you can put at least SOME Of the knowledge you've obtained to good use.

    I remember I had a friend, who wasn't making ANY money. I showed him a method that was letting him pull in bank almost immediately, just with a little advice.

    Translation: I'm confident that if someone shows you a gameplan that isn't a real POS, you can succeed.

    You just need to follow the right plays.

    Take any championship football team; they can have all the right traits (big, strong, fast, determined), but if their coach gives them BUNK ass plays, they'll lose.

    Who has been writing your plays?

    Food for thought
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  • Profile picture of the author sirtiman
    You need a real new honest mentor that willing to help you.
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  • Profile picture of the author fatcitygirl
    I feel your pain, literally. I think a lot of people have experienced the same but my suggestion is to stick with something that is proven to work and stick to only that one thing until you are making the money you want.
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  • Profile picture of the author Rod Cortez
    Originally Posted by Michael55555 View Post

    I've been trying to earn money online for over six years. I've spent easily over $1,000 in attempting to do so. I have earned far less than that as income. I've invested thousands of hours into this and have earned cents an hour. How should I proceed to be successful? Thanks.

    I will persist until I succeed. Never give up. Take action.
    I'm with Black Hat Cat and Kindsvater on this one. Yes, they're giving out some tough love, but sometimes people need to read / hear the truth if they're serious about making meaningful changes in their lives. Telling someone never to quit is nice, but it's too general to have any real impact.

    If you seriously want to start earning some income, then take a gander at this outline and see if it can't point you in the right direction.

    1. Find a hungry market.
    2. Find out who the top 3 players in that market are.
    3. Research the crap out of them.
    4. Look for quality affiliate programs and/or CPA offers (start with no less than 10).
    5. Seriously think about creating and selling your own product.
    6. Put up a compelling squeeze page with an opt-in and build your list. Outsource it if you're not good as sales copy, but do it.
    7. Drive targeted traffic to that squeeze page. Study PPC and PPV traffic and start small. You'll learn more by doing this even though you might lose a few hundred bucks. Google Jonathan Mizel and learn from this guy. He is the freaking master of paid traffic.
    8. Refine your campaign until you make a profit.
    9. Use content to drive more traffic.
    10. Join the War Room and do a search for every single WSO guide in there. Download them all. Read them. Launch your first WSO and make some extra cash.

    Now you're out of excuses. It's time to implement.

    The majority of people who give IM a go for years without making any or little money are treating this as a hobby. It really is that simple. There could a million reasons for this, but ultimately, that's what it comes down to. I've dissected a lot of failing online enterprises over the past decade and I've seen people spend 12-14 hours a day on things that do NOT make them money.

    Look, if you're not driving traffic to an offer or selling some kind of service or product, then you're not focusing on the things that are going to make you money.

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  • Profile picture of the author Curtis2011
    Originally Posted by Michael55555 View Post

    I've been trying to earn money online for over six years. I've spent easily over $1,000 in attempting to do so.
    My first reaction to this was "only $1000 in 6 years?"



    You must not be trying hard enough. But then again, maybe it's a good thing for your wallet that you aren't.
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  • Profile picture of the author paul nicholls
    6 years is a very long time, what on earth have you been doing?

    my advice would be to:

    1. Stop reading forums, looking at emails, being on facebook, texting, calling your friends, watching tv and get serious about seeing some results online

    It comes down to how bad do you want it?

    2. choose 1 Do-able method like adsense, amazon, bum marketing, youtube video affiliate method etc and hammer the living daylights out of it until your fingers bleed from typing too much if need be

    If you need to upload 500 videos, sites, articles etc before you make any money then so be it

    at least you will of learned exactly what doesnt work (this is very valuable knowledge)

    this is simple advice but probably the most powerful as long as you implement it

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    • Profile picture of the author Michael Ten
      Originally Posted by paul nicholls View Post

      6 years is a very long time, what on earth have you been doing?

      my advice would be to:

      1. Stop reading forums, looking at emails, being on facebook, texting, calling your friends, watching tv and get serious about seeing some results online

      It comes down to how bad do you want it?

      2. choose 1 Do-able method like adsense, amazon, bum marketing, youtube video affiliate method etc and hammer the living daylights out of it until your fingers bleed from typing too much if need be

      If you need to upload 500 videos, sites, articles etc before you make any money then so be it

      at least you will of learned exactly what doesnt work (this is very valuable knowledge)

      this is simple advice but probably the most powerful as long as you implement it

      Paul
      I find this sort of reply helpful, in that you are not telling me to give up and you are giving me some concrete direction to go down. Maybe I need to listen to some more 50 Cent.. Get Rich Or Die Tryin. 500? Maybe 5,000... ?
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    • Profile picture of the author Tayman
      I'm surprised at some of the answers in this thread... Here is a possible example of what's going on:

      Newbie internet marketer decides to find his pot of gold online. Before getting started, he approaches a fork in the road. Before deciding which path will lead to the pot of gold, he asks several people which way to go. Listening to the advice of others he decides to go left when the pot of gold is on the right path. No amount of hard work, reading, training, etc. will make the pot of gold appear on the left path. He/she will need to turn around.

      Those who are saying to give up, IM isn't for you should check themselves. We don't know enough to make that conclusion. I could say, "If you aren't making 10k a month (BARE MINIMUM) from IM after 6 years you should give up." That would disqualify many of those who are telling this person to give up.

      You didn't waste your time, you simply found ways that didn't work. You are gathering data for your experiment. From the people I have helped over the years, these are the most common mistakes I have encountered:

      1) Not focusing
      2) Buying two many WSO etc. and not taking action (information overload)
      3)Starting with adcents without having the right plan of action
      4)Building blogs with content and PRAYING someone will give a damn about their shitty little blog
      5)***listening to those who AREN'T making real money***
      6) "Buy button, what's that?"
      7)"Build a list? Why?"
      8)Email marketing? To much work
      9)Doing the same thing day in and day and out and expecting a different result (definition of insanity)
      10) Afraid to purchase traffic
      11)Not putting in enough effort

      I could go on and on.

      You would be living on the streets if you were in the hole after 6 years. Whatever you are doing to supplement your income, stop using it as a crutch. No income after 6 years is unacceptable and you should treat it as such.

      Join a skype mastermind group using the traffic methods you are accustomed too and bounce ideas off of each other. STOP whatever you are doing that ISN'T making money.
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  • Profile picture of the author Jbarros
    Six years is a lot. Have you given your best? I mean like the world was going to end tomorrow. Because if you want something that is the energy that you need to put in. I guess this is mostly a problem of mindset than anything else. Just my opinion from what I read.

    I must say that during my first 7 months I was just giving half best and not getting anywhere.

    Once I started spending like a hour per day improving my mindset. Watching motivational movies, reading successful people biographies, hearing or reading Napoleon Hill and doing his exercises etc... things begin to change.

    I just know that mindset plays a big role in business. Without it you won't go far even if you know all the cool technical stuff.
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  • Profile picture of the author rmolina88
    I'm definitely going to repeat what everyone else has been saying:

    Build a list.

    It took me 2 years to earn my first penny with IM using adsense and when my account got banned, I switched to List Building back in March and now it's my full time income.

    Every other method is literally pennies compared to list building and is the difference between earning $100 a month to $100,000 a month.

    I wanted to avoid it for the longest time myself since I wasn't confident I would be able to build trust with people, but now I find it quite fun and I get happy when people email me their success stories.
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  • Profile picture of the author Michael Ten
    I'm just going to report rude posts. (from the screen that displays when you click the report button: "Note: This is ONLY to be used to report spam, advertising messages, and problematic (harassment, fighting, or rude) posts.")

    I hope this thread is locked if it is just going to devolve into destructive criticism, rudeness and disrespect.
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  • Profile picture of the author Paul Myers
    Okay, folks. This is not one of those circumstances in which outright rudeness is productive or necessary. Please stop.

    As a side note, if you are simply unable to make your points without being nasty, perhaps you might not be the ones to criticize another's writing skills? Just a thought...


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    • Profile picture of the author Paul Myers
      Another side note, this time to Michael: There is a difference between tough, even abrupt or mistaken, criticism and genuine rudeness. It can be difficult to see that line clearly sometimes when you're the object of the critique, but the effort is worth making.


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      • Profile picture of the author kindsvater
        Here's an idea ...

        Take a painting you are selling and show it on video. These are really abstract so explain your purpose in creating the painting and emotions / thoughts / ideas you are hoping the viewer will have.

        Do not assume anything is too basic or obvious to explain.

        My teenager is an artist and she recently spent 5 minutes explaining to someone why she created a piece and what it meant. The explanation was stunning and provided far more depth about the piece than what I would have guessed from just looking at it. In part, that was a $10k discussion.

        If this is something you are passionate about, and trying to make money from, show the passion.

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        • Profile picture of the author Michael Ten
          Originally Posted by dean fergusson View Post

          hi,
          but you did not mention in which area you spent $1000 and which strategy you to earn online?
          I spent money over six years on: hosting, domains, Fiverr gigs, some CPC advertising. I've been primarily attempting to attract enough traffic to earn money through CPC advertising on my sites. I've also to a much lesser degree attempted to earn money from eBook sales, affiliate offers, music (Amazon, iTunes), paintings, and eBay.

          Originally Posted by kindsvater View Post

          Here's an idea ...

          Take a painting you are selling and show it on video. These are really abstract so explain your purpose in creating the painting and emotions / thoughts / ideas you are hoping the viewer will have.

          Do not assume anything is too basic or obvious to explain.

          My teenager is an artist and she recently spent 5 minutes explaining to someone why she created a piece and what it meant. The explanation was stunning and provided far more depth about the piece than what I would have guessed from just looking at it. In part, that was a $10k discussion.

          If this is something you are passionate about, and trying to make money from, show the passion.

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          That is a great idea and I really should do that! I suppose I could link to the actual painting for sale in the description. Does anyone know if that is against TOS for sure? I'm pretty sure it should be fine. Artists link to their iTunes songs for sale all the time on there. It's fine.
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  • Profile picture of the author Paul Myers
    Brian,

    His writing is passable in conversational posts. I have a feeling the stilted copy on the site is his (or someone else's) attempt to rank for keywords. Always a dangerous effort when practiced by the less experienced.


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  • Profile picture of the author dean fergusson
    Originally Posted by Michael55555 View Post

    I've been trying to earn money online for over six years. I've spent easily over $1,000 in attempting to do so. I have earned far less than that as income. I've invested thousands of hours into this and have earned cents an hour. How should I proceed to be successful? Thanks.

    I will persist until I succeed. Never give up. Take action.
    hi,
    but you did not mention in which area you spent $1000 and which strategy you to earn online?
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  • Profile picture of the author DubDubDubDot
    I poked around your stuff a little. Here are three problem areas to focus on that are likely holding you back.

    1. Your usual sources of business information should probably be reconsidered.

    2. You need to work on your ability to distinguish good from bad in the eyes of public perception. Often times, what you personally think of your own work is irrelevant.

    3. Your writing needs a lot of work. Study communications and journalism through mainstream sources. In this business your written word is everything.
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  • Profile picture of the author mikemeth
    Deff you are going in wrong direction, take a break make a plan and stick to it, are you trying too many methods or are you just working on wrong ones?
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  • Profile picture of the author Willie Crawford
    After 6 years you've probably tried a lot of things that don't
    work. So, I would begin by looking at what you're doing that
    has already proven not to work.

    Some niches are also more difficult to make money in because
    people interested in the topic simply don't tend to spend a
    lot of money. So, I would look closely at the niche itself. Are
    the people you are attracting to your site simply not buyers?

    I have lots of friends who use to make an absolute fortune
    in Adsense watch their incomes drop significantly, so I'm not
    sure I would focus on that... although I don't consider myself
    and AdSense expert, so maybe it's still a good model. I'm more
    of an affiliate marketer, as well as I create lots of my own
    products.

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    • Profile picture of the author Michael Ten
      Originally Posted by mikemeth View Post

      Deff you are going in wrong direction, take a break make a plan and stick to it, are you trying too many methods or are you just working on wrong ones?
      I think that I am picking only one or two methods. I think that I must just be going about them ineffectively and/or in the wrong way. I have taken breaks here and there over the last six years. They have mostly been days, weeks and sometimes months. I've probably spent at least 4 of the last six years consistently putting effort towards at least trying to be successful. I'm tempted to say more like 4.5 or 5 years of the last six, but that is neither here nor there.

      Originally Posted by Willie Crawford View Post

      After 6 years you've probably tried a lot of things that don't
      work. So, I would begin by looking at what you're doing that
      has already proven not to work.

      Some niches are also more difficult to make money in because
      people interested in the topic simply don't tend to spend a
      lot of money. So, I would look closely at the niche itself. Are
      the people you are attracting to your site simply not buyers?

      I have lots of friends who use to make an absolute fortune
      in Adsense watch their incomes drop significantly, so I'm not
      sure I would focus on that... although I don't consider myself
      and AdSense expert, so maybe it's still a good model. I'm more
      of an affiliate marketer, as well as I create lots of my own
      products.

      Willie
      I'm not sure, to answer your first question. I want to go into affiliate marketing eventually, but I have tried to not to spread my energies too thin.
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  • Profile picture of the author ceenote100
    Six years is definitely a long time for not making any money online. All you really need to do is focus on something that actually works and throw out everything else.
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  • Profile picture of the author letsmakeit
    Throwing everything else out is the easy part . Its finding something that works that is the hard part. OP I hope you can find something that works because actually the hard work is the easiest part.
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  • Profile picture of the author John Romaine
    Originally Posted by Michael55555 View Post

    I've been trying to earn money online for over six years. I've spent easily over $1,000 in attempting to do so.
    Is that all?

    Ive spent 4 years and over $150,000, and even that is peanuts compared to some people.
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  • Profile picture of the author Avnery
    Looks to me you are affected by the "shiny object syndrome" every new thing that comes up catches your eye,you look briefly through the material even possibly try and give up as soon as success is round the door.

    Most likely as well your computer has folders containing thousands of those blueprints 95% of which are not followed up.
    This is exactly what keeps people from earning a buck on line.
    99% keep making perfect plans and never make a buck while the other 1% do the little imperfect things and make all the bucks"

    By the way that's a paraphrase from a Nice guy on this forum who has been so successful
    Good luck focus and get things done.

    Forget those perfect plans they don't get the payment notification emails to your inbox
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  • Profile picture of the author Tania Edwards
    I was desperate too, then someone on this forum guided me, I launched my won dating site, good thing was setup and other stuff was free...
    Its my fifth month in dating and my cheque for August was 3215pounds .. I am over the moon.. there is much potential in dating sites. try it.
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  • Profile picture of the author Michael D Forbes
    Michael, I'm not trying to bash at all, but I'm going to take a guess that you are pretty stubborn. Why do I say this? 6 years and the money you've put into it, not to mention thousands of hours, would make nearly everyone quit. That kind of stubbornness is good!

    That same stubbornness (ok, we can call it tenacity) seems to be working against you as well. I strongly suspect that you are dead set to make money on your own terms. I'm going to guess that rather than using tried and true, PROVEN to work methods, you insist on putting your own spin on it, or leaving out parts of the method that don't suit what you want to do with your time, thus... you aren't making much.

    It's hard to set aside our biases sometimes (and our pride) and just do what we've been shown works, but I'm going to stubbornly insist that if you will follow through on something without trying to change it to your liking, you WILL make money.

    I'm also going to agree with others that ignoring list building is a sure fire way to not get very far. Most people I know that have any kind of targeted list can make money with it at will. How much is simply a question of scale and skill.
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  • Profile picture of the author rmolina88
    Also, if you have a good coach and know how to outsource, any method you choose won't nearly require as much work as you think. There's still going to be work involved, but a good coach can get you started on how to automate things by outsourcing.

    Start treating your business like a *real* business with the fact that you have to spend money to make money. Money will always come and go, but you'll never get back the time you have to spend and time is money.
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    • Profile picture of the author Michael Ten
      Originally Posted by Michael D Forbes View Post

      Michael, I'm not trying to bash at all, but I'm going to take a guess that you are pretty stubborn. Why do I say this? 6 years and the money you've put into it, not to mention thousands of hours, would make nearly everyone quit. That kind of stubbornness is good!

      That same stubbornness (ok, we can call it tenacity) seems to be working against you as well. I strongly suspect that you are dead set to make money on your own terms. I'm going to guess that rather than using tried and true, PROVEN to work methods, you insist on putting your own spin on it, or leaving out parts of the method that don't suit what you want to do with your time, thus... you aren't making much.

      It's hard to set aside our biases sometimes (and our pride) and just do what we've been shown works, but I'm going to stubbornly insist that if you will follow through on something without trying to change it to your liking, you WILL make money.

      I'm also going to agree with others that ignoring list building is a sure fire way to not get very far. Most people I know that have any kind of targeted list can make money with it at will. How much is simply a question of scale and skill.
      Yes. I can be stubborn. I have been trying to do it on my own terms somewhat. I have been trying to find a middle ground between doing it on my own terms and also doing what others who have been significantly successful have said that they have done. I don't want to go the traditional path (of being successful online) to the point where I would almost just rather be in a 9-5 job. However, to have location independence, it might be worth it.

      Originally Posted by fin View Post

      Can you list a few of your passions?
      My biggest passion are niche and somewhat... out there? They are abolishing aging (a.k.a. radical life extension - see the book Ending Aging by Aubrey de Grey or sens.org). The other is somewhat political so I won't go into details, but there are some relatively large non-profits devoted to both of these niches. One option would be to try and work for one of these non-profits, but I would rather earn money through independent channels and be location independent. My other interests/passions are arts/creativity, outdoors, and health/wellness. However, the latter are not my preferred focus area, although there is probably a larger market for information/media on those topics.
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      • Profile picture of the author DubDubDubDot
        I think you already know exactly what you need to do. It's just a matter of changing your role from industry observer to doer. The ebiz forums consist mostly of observers; people that spend more time on the forums, blogs and downloading courses than they do actually working. In fact, I'll bet most people reading this one thread spent more time in here than they did working today.

        Originally Posted by Michael55555 View Post

        doing what others who have been significantly successful have said that they have done.
        Be careful with that. Implied or direct claims of success online are generally coming from people with internet personas as fictitious as the Easter Bunny.

        Originally Posted by Michael55555 View Post

        Definitely! PeerFly may just be the way to go with that. Luke provided some interesting information.
        http://www.warriorforum.com/mobile-m...ml#post7067310
        Mobile advertising does not deserve the hype it receives by some on this forum. The advertising industry is still trying to figure mobile out. Until then, consider Warriors talking it up to be talking their way into your wallet.

        Mobile Ads: What Works and What Doesn't - WSJ.com

        I guess corporate America shouldn't have been left scratching their heads after spending billions on mobile ads. They should have came here to WarriorForum first and spent $17 on a WSO outlining how to do mobile advertising the right way.
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      • Profile picture of the author TheSalesBooster
        Originally Posted by Michael55555 View Post

        Yes. I can be stubborn. I have been trying to do it on my own terms somewhat. I have been trying to find a middle ground between doing it on my own terms and also doing what others who have been significantly successful have said that they have done. I don't want to go the traditional path (of being successful online) to the point where I would almost just rather be in a 9-5 job. However, to have location independence, it might be worth it.



        My biggest passion are niche and somewhat... out there? They are abolishing aging (a.k.a. radical life extension - see the book Ending Aging by Aubrey de Grey or sens.org). The other is somewhat political so I won't go into details, but there are some relatively large non-profits devoted to both of these niches. One option would be to try and work for one of these non-profits, but I would rather earn money through independent channels and be location independent. My other interests/passions are arts/creativity, outdoors, and health/wellness. However, the latter are not my preferred focus area, although there is probably a larger market for information/media on those topics.

        Based on your answer here... I don't think internet marketing is for you. You obviously don't like it or you would be trying to make it work. You're not putting any effort and focus into it. You don't have a passion for it. You just want what everyone else wants from it. The money. Some people just weren't made to do internet marketing, Just like some people weren't made to be lawyers or doctors.

        An important ingredient to having success in any job is having passion. If you don't like what your doing then you won't give it 110%. There is no magic button system out there that is going to make you rich. You have to put in 110% if you want to make it in internet marketing. I don't think you have the passion to give it 110%.

        So take a step back. Take some time away from the computer work and re-evaluate things. Do you really have it in you to give this thing another 2-6 years? To me it seems like your just sitting around waiting for an easy opportunity to come by. Doesn't work like that... It's nice for people to try and encourage you, but you also need to look at the people who are trying to wake you up and tell you what you need to hear. Either go 110% or quit wasting your time with this and start doing something you have a passion for...
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  • Profile picture of the author kazim
    I tried 2 years for earning in online. After 2 years I have got success.
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  • Profile picture of the author Joshster
    OK I've skimmed this post, you've got some pretty high level people giving you advice.
    I can sympathize since I have been in this 'game' for around 5 months now and have spent at least 2 or 3 thousand bucks, mostly on building a list of freebie seekers...I have spent less than a $1000 on products, by using sites that enable you to get products cheaper.

    I've probably earned that $1000 back but I am getting pretty discouraged with list building for the simple reason that I find it hard to justify creating a product showing how to make money when I haven't actually made much.

    I am switching my efforts to CPA/PPC type things so I can start earning money in relation to the hours I put in. Then once I have some income coming in I will refocus on product creation - once I have something genuine to write about!

    I would highly suggest you try this tactic. It requires some serious effort to build a list purely on affiliate products. You will need to be kicking ass in JV's, Mini events etc. And there are better ways IMO but they require your own product.

    And then of course you need to learn copywriting, which you can pickup along the way while doing CPx/PPx type stuff.

    I hope that makes sense, I just got accepted in Peerfly and another great network, and after seeing this thread I am even more motivated than ever

    Time to read 'newbie411' and get to it!

    p.s. You need to get a PO Box immediately. S4it or get of the pot as they say!

    Edit: Join a mastermind; John Thornhill's, Partnership To Success is an excellent choice. I just joined and it has every possible step covered. I do not have time to do it right now and am putting it on hold a bit while I concentrate on earning some cash as above.But for product creation it can't be beat! IMO
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  • Profile picture of the author pandadoodle
    You cant make it over night.

    Set some goals and then 5 smaller goals to hit your main one. Give each goal a time frame. If you miss your target don't get deflated or depressed look at the other "mini goals" you have reached in that time frame.

    If your just say, "I want to make $500,000 by next year" as your goal with out putting any smaller steps in front of it then it's not going to happen.

    It's all about research and time, nothing happens over night. Fail to Plan, Plan to Fail and all that...

    Take time out, relax, rethink and put pen to paper
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  • Profile picture of the author napoleonwill
    Anthony Robbins books. Keep trying things, don't lift your head up. Just keep trying things and learning from your temporary failures. It's like you are on this big plot of land and you know there is gold underground. You just don't know where to dig. Keep digging until you hit it. Study other people's maps who have already found the gold. There are clues everywhere.
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  • Profile picture of the author ezekielseo
    Be persistent, don't give up even though you seem like something doesnt work.
    I was in your same position, it seems like your switching between different methods of making money. It seems like the "gurus" always have something "new" that will be your personal "ATM Machine", so you're basically jumping from one affiliate method to another. You will just spend your money, & waste your time.

    Everyone finds something that will work for them, if it doesnt work, tweak it and do what ever you can to make it profitable. Try sticking with list building, that is actually a real business model, you can release a product and get immediate traffic to your offer and potentially BUYERS. As long as you can actually keep them responsive and keep a great relationship you can have customers for years to come, and a great sum of pocket money to live comfortably and also some advertising money to build your list ;-)

    Anyways, good luck in your further adventures.

    -Ezekiel
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    • Profile picture of the author Nightengale
      Michael,

      [Warning: Tough love alert!]

      Several things stand out for me in your post:

      1. Your biggest problems are lack of focus and discipline.

      I "get it" that it can be hard to choose what to do online to make money. It doesn't help that there's so much hype. I know it also takes time to decide what you want to pursue.

      But you're a smart guy (TWO degrees!). Common sense tells you that you won't make any money starting but never finishing anything.

      This is HUGE!

      You mentioned not being excited by affiliate marketing. I heard that! Affiliate marketing as my main revenue model has never excited me either. So sell your own products or services.

      Also, I don't think AdSense revenue is a long-term, consistent revenue model. I don't feel it's worth pursuing as a main revenue model anymore. I never liked CPA either. Too many variables, no control. Advertisers can pull offers, change/discontinue compensation, etc.


      2.
      Originally Posted by Michael55555 View Post

      I have tried. My hesitancy in building a list is that I think with the CANSPAM laws you need to have a physical address on all the e-mails you send out. I've had a PO box sporadically over the last 6 years, but not enough to justify to myself putting lots of energy into building a list. I hope that I'm wrong about needing an address for a list, but I don't think that I am, and I won't put my home address on them. I may or may not be able and willing to commit to having a PO or Suite Box. I'm not sure.
      Are you serious??!!

      This is the most asinine reason I've ever heard. A simple quick search will tell you if you can use a P.O. Box. As a single woman, I certainly don't want my home address posted all over the Net either. But this hasn't stopped me.

      This just tells me you don't want it very badly.

      3.
      Originally Posted by John Romaine View Post

      Is that all?

      I've spent 4 years and over $150,000, and even that is peanuts compared to some people.
      That's what I say!!!

      I've spent northward of $20K, maybe more. Only a fraction of what Johnny here has spent, but still....

      $1K over 6 years is NOTHING.

      Ok, here's some help:

      Clarity is a HUGE part of IM success. It's so simple when you know it -- and darn difficult when you don't! I owe my mentors a world of thanks for bringing this clarity.

      IM is actually pretty simple: you can sell only one of two things:

      1. Products
      2. Services

      That's it!

      And selling products or services online happens in the same basic way for everyone, no matter what they're selling:

      Traffic > Opt-in page > Autoresponder series (or e-zine) > Sales page

      That's it! It's just that simple. (We IMers tend to overcomplicate things.)

      But no matter what your niche is, or whether you're selling a product or a service, do you know what your business model is?

      A business model is the framework or skeleton of your business. Essentially there are three types of online business models:

      1. Membership-based model

      A membership-based business model allows you to build a community of people (your members) who are as passionate about your subject as you are. Your membership fees can be monthly or annual, but either way, you're building recurring, passive income.

      There are a lot of resources and information out there to help you build a membership-based business if you're interested in doing this.

      2. Product-based model

      Selling products allows you to maximize your time and effort by selling items over and over again. This can be hard goods or it can be information products. Information marketing is it's own business model under the product-based model. Information marketing allows you to take your brain to the bank by creating a product ONCE based on what you know and selling it over and over again.

      Affiliate marketing falls under both models. You can choose to market either products or services as an affiliate.

      3. Service-based model

      Selling services can be great for 1) generating quick cash (as in the case of article writing or video producing) and 2) establishing your expertise and getting testimonials.

      However, in the long run, your goal should be to offer services at a PREMIUM. The biggest advantage of IM is LEVERAGE. You're able to leverage your time, money and expertise exponentially online. We all have just 24 hours each day. Time to get ruthless about what you expect for those hours you spend in IM each day. Expect more of yourself and more from your business friends, clients, partners, etc.

      What results are you getting for those hours you spend online each day? Ultimately, your services should be at the bottom of your funnel and cost the most since they involve your time and personal attention. (We all have a limited amount of time each day.)

      The fun (and confusion) comes in with all of the endless mix-and-match possibilities of the above models. If you're just starting or still struggling to make money, keep it simple:

      Pick just ONE!

      1. Pick ONE niche. (Something you're interested in and know something about.)

      2. Pick ONE target market for your product or service. (Who will buy what you're offering? The more specific you are, the more you narrow it down, the more successful you'll be.)

      3. Pick ONE business model.

      Now that you're clear about what business you're in, FOCUS! (And stop buying any info not related to your niche and target market, period!)

      F -- Follow
      O -- One
      C -- Course
      U -- Until
      S -- Successful

      And remember: build a list, Build a List, BUILD A LIST!

      In IM, it's easy to put the cart before the horse. Take a deep breath, step back and consider what type of business you REALLY want. Don't worry about getting traffic or buying that expensive traffic product until you know 1) what your business model is, 2) what niche you're in and 3) WHO your target market is!

      Successful business people will tell you that MARKETING is more than half the effort that's needed for success anyway. So pick a niche, target market and business model. Then spend most of your time and effort marketing it.

      If you DON'T have a solid plan or system, THAT'S when it's hard. A good system will shave YEARS (and save you big $$$) off of your learning curve

      That's why I recommend investing in at least one good, comprehensive IM course (or mentor who will give you such a system) instead of jumping from one $37 e-book to the next. A lot of people here complain about not being able to make any money. But neither are they willing to invest in their business. (Buying a random bunch of $37 e-books doesn't count.)

      The best thing I ever did was invest in a comprehensive IM course aimed at REAL business owners, not just other IM wannabes. Yes it was $1500. (It's no longer available.) But it was truly some of the best A-Z IM info I ever bought. Everything else I've learned (from the $37 e-books) since has simply been plugged into this system.

      Get a solid plan or system and then work the plan!

      Hope this helps!

      Michelle
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      • Profile picture of the author Nightengale
        P.S.

        Ignore anyone who tells you to quit. That's just rude. But you DO need to become a lot smarter about your choices. And FOCUS!

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        • Profile picture of the author celente
          Originally Posted by Nightengale View Post

          P.S.

          Ignore anyone who tells you to quit. That's just rude. But you DO need to become a lot smarter about your choices. And FOCUS!

          Michelle
          well, saying to work smarter and to focus is not going to fix OP's problem.

          I say read and study and test things small scale, yes something will fail....other things will work mediocre, and you will find things that will work like gangbusters...that is where you need to concentrate.

          Telling OP to focus is not what he should be doing, telling him to focus on the right things is manditory.

          Never give up! Remember that, most quit right before the breakthrough comes. So do not become another statistic like that.
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  • Profile picture of the author SoberPlanet
    Let me tell ya, internet marketing can be absolutely BRUTAL if you don't have the right mentors. Things that you might buy or research online are usually outdated and will keep you frustrated, not to mention, spending a ton of money. Try to find a mentor who has been through the process and will help you to succeed. Hiss success is based on your success. Keep plugging away and you should get it!
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    • Profile picture of the author rinzo
      maybe you'll just need to focus on something. don't try anything new before you can get decent earnings from that field..
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  • Profile picture of the author blueorca17
    Originally Posted by Michael55555 View Post

    I've been trying to earn money online for over six years. I've spent easily over $1,000 in attempting to do so. I have earned far less than that as income. I've invested thousands of hours into this and have earned cents an hour. How should I proceed to be successful? Thanks.

    I will persist until I succeed. Never give up. Take action.
    6 years is a long time... but $1,000 is really not a whole lot of mulah to spend on tools/products if you're serious about making a living online.... I've spent at LEAST 10 times that.

    Learn about how to MARKET to people. Go find a book in your local library or take a seat in Barnes & Noble somewhere and read about marketing and advertising.

    Learn about SEO and link building.
    Learn about driving traffic.

    Oh yes.... and check out these two products, I swear they will be the last IM products you will ever really need to spend money on again:

    Google Sniper
    Traffic Ultimatum

    They're both by George Brown, and both worth EVERY PENNY.
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  • Profile picture of the author garveyonweb
    Its quite simple. TAKE ACTION. A coach may help.

    Pick an area... website/list/video/CB etc. Focus. and stick with it.

    I think most people hop around for a while believing hype, buying WSOs etc. None of which are of any use untill you TAKE ACTION.
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  • Profile picture of the author hatcheck
    My guess is that you probably didn't do the one, most important thing of all.

    You probably didn't figure out what you were passionate about.

    Instead, you focused on finding cookie cutters. Then more cookie cutters. And more. And more.

    Cookie cutters don't work.

    Find something that really gets you excited, that is more important than anything else in your life. Then keep building that one thing. Don't focus on link building. Don't focus on quick fixes and get-rich-quick.

    Instead, focus on building on your passion by providing as much useful content as you possibly can provide, interacting with social networks (not to sell, but to build an audience), and keep on building.
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  • Profile picture of the author Blaine Smitley
    You're not making any money because you're a hobbyist..

    You're a hobbyist that dreams of becoming rich from doing their hobby.. It's all good.

    Imagine that this (IMing) is farming. A successful farmer will have hundreds if not thousands of acres of land that they're cultivating to provide sustenance to the masses, and this will profit them if they do it correctly and supply what the masses like to eat.

    You on the other hand are the guy with a few pots on his back patio with some tomatoes growing in them, because you like them and enjoy puttering around with them. There's absolutely nothing wrong with this, like I said earlier it's all good.

    In the future, if you decide to become a professional farmer then you will become a professional farmer.

    Just keep in mind that one of them fancy tractors big enough to plant a couple hundred or thousand acres is very expensive when compared to 2 clay pots, a bag of potting soil, and pack of tomato seeds.
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  • Profile picture of the author ujubo
    It seems as though you have been falling for the new product after new product craze.
    That is me also

    I have managed to spend a total of $300 in the 8 months that I have been trying to get my foot in the door of IM. However, my last investment was a course that goes over 8 weeks and it has been the best spend so far. More expensive that anything else before but from what I am learning it is definitely worth it as we have covered all the basics thoroughly and will continue to go deeper. Either this week or next week we have list building so I am looking forward to that as everywhere it has been described as the holy grail

    I think what might be the problem for Michael is too much dabbling. Not focusing on one particular technique but trying out too many without getting to know the ins and outs of a single one. Hey, thats what happened to me
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  • Profile picture of the author Deepak Media
    Making money online can be a little confusing. You should first define the way.

    You can:
    • Sell services
    • Earn through affiliate marketing and advertising
    • or sell products (info/software)

    The above three are the major online income models.

    Read more here about the pros and cons of each: Online Business Models: Speed of Income Generation Vs. Income Passivity
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  • Profile picture of the author Sandycmy
    You are NOT alone my friend !

    I made negligible amount of money in my first 3 years. But however, I hang around this forum to learn new things.

    What I make money from is :

    a) training courses for students ( learnt seo and other traffic methods from WF )
    b) Create websites for local businesses

    Think of using your experience to make your local needs fulfilled. I usually charge more for my courses and websites than WF.

    Meet people, they pay you - purely online takes more sweat than real world business
    ( My opinion)
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    • Profile picture of the author Michael Ten
      Hello again.

      Originally Posted by Nightengale View Post

      P.S.

      Ignore anyone who tells you to quit. That's just rude. But you DO need to become a lot smarter about your choices. And FOCUS!

      Michelle
      Yes and yes. I do need to take more informed action. I will figure out what that is ASAP and then do it...

      Originally Posted by BankrollBandits View Post

      I haven't been doing too well with internet marketing either but just like you I will not give up!
      Good. I anticipate that you will be successful at least eventually if you truly do that.

      Originally Posted by Edk View Post

      Meeting real live people in my local area was a Big gamechanger for me. As in googling 'Your City' internet marketing group. Hope this helps
      I've done that a little bit by chance. I should do more.

      Originally Posted by Andrei Rotariu View Post

      That's funny seeing as you have this on your site; Legal Ways To Earn Money

      Look I'm not trying to be smart but the first thing is this; get rid of that. You are not making money online and so you should not be "teaching" other's how to, it is not fair on them.

      Second it looks like you are quite creative, maybe you should sell art, design, offer drawing services etc to online marketers. That is what I would do. There are plenty of business people that need these services.

      P.S. for some inspiration, it took me seven years online to start making money consistently: http://www.warriorforum.com/main-int...posts-yay.html

      Good luck!
      7 years! We are somewhat alike! This is encouraging!!!!

      Originally Posted by Sandycmy View Post

      You are NOT alone my friend !

      I made negligible amount of money in my first 3 years. But however, I hang around this forum to learn new things.

      What I make money from is :

      a) training courses for students ( learnt seo and other traffic methods from WF )
      b) Create websites for local businesses

      Think of using your experience to make your local needs fulfilled. I usually charge more for my courses and websites than WF.

      Meet people, they pay you - purely online takes more sweat than real world business
      ( My opinion)
      I agree. Offline communication with others is arguably more personal just by the very nature of it.

      My day today... going to the gym and R&D. I'm also going to eat food and drink water. I was laid off about a month ago from my 9-5 golden cage... budget cuts. That is why I have all this splendid time for R&D.
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  • Profile picture of the author fin
    You've had time to think.

    What's the plan of action if you care to divulge?
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    • Profile picture of the author Michael Ten
      Originally Posted by fin View Post

      You've had time to think.

      What's the plan of action if you care to divulge?
      I think that I need to either find a part time job so I can keep devoting more energy to all of this and pay my bills, seek capital so I can keep working until I actually turn a net profit big enough to pay my bills, or start looking for a 9-5 and have this been my side gig that I try to turn into a significantly profitable activity so that I can once again leave my golden cage. I am thinking I need to create more of a formal business plan, do more R&D, keep working on what I have been doing and focus to try and create tangible results. There are some suggestions here which I am open to and will try to implement, like using YouTube to describe the background behind my art and link to it on Etsy from there. This is what is on my mind at this moment and I hope that answered the question.
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  • Profile picture of the author Sandycmy
    If you don't mind,

    Let me ask you, what are you selling online now ?

    If Nothing ? what are you working on today to make it big ?
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    • Profile picture of the author Michael Ten
      Originally Posted by Sandycmy View Post

      If you don't mind,

      Let me ask you, what are you selling online now ?

      If Nothing ? what are you working on today to make it big ?
      I'm actively working to sell paintings right now. I have listed them on Etsy, and just yesterday, eBay.

      I have a Kindle book that I am not currently actively trying to promote.

      I have some books on LuLu that are in the same boat as my Kindle book.

      I've arguably already arranged for Google and/or their advertisers to buy the attention/clicks of visitors/viewers to my websites/videos.

      I have other products that I have been preparing, but are not ready to be sold, like music. I think music is mostly it with regards to that.
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      • Profile picture of the author Sandycmy
        You are doing fine. The issue is they are a little too many on your mind.

        If you can think of one product which has earned you some cash and you believe has a good market, pick it. The other projects can wait.

        Only focus on aggressive marketing the one product; I mean both online and offline. Why ? dear friend, you need to do that now or later to start seeing your bank account swelling.

        Channelize all the energy which arise from temptations to marketing. You just can't miss making good money. Again I mean what I say, you are NOT alone, to some degree the above lines are something which I too am working towards and I'm sure there are many more


        Originally Posted by Michael55555 View Post

        I'm actively working to sell paintings right now. I have listed them on Etsy, and just yesterday, eBay.

        I have a Kindle book that I am not currently actively trying to promote.

        I have some books on LuLu that are in the same boat as my Kindle book.

        I've arguably already arranged for Google and/or their advertisers to buy the attention/clicks of visitors/viewers to my websites/videos.

        I have other products that I have been preparing, but are not ready to be sold, like music. I think music is mostly it with regards to that.
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  • Profile picture of the author ijohnson
    Michael55555,

    Please know that you are not alone, as so many other Warriors have so transparently and honestly confessed. IM is a learning process that definitely requires a plan, money, time and focus.

    You have gotten a lot of great suggestions and advice here. The best advice I could give you would be to:
    • invest in a very good coach/mentor
    • Let them help you create a workable plan
    • focus on that plan only
    • work that plan from start to profit

    I wish you the best of success as you continue your IM journey.

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  • Profile picture of the author Bernd Sauereisen
    Hi:

    Lots of good advice here, but I too would suggest you get a mentor to show you what you need to do.
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  • Profile picture of the author barryjames
    I've been trying to earn money online for over six years. I've spent easily over $1,000 in attempting to do so. I have earned far less than that as income. I've invested thousands of hours into this and have earned cents an hour. How should I proceed to be successful? Thanks.
    I will persist until I succeed. Never give up. Take action

    Six years and a $1000 dollars is about $3-00 a week. Here in England it costs me more than that to park my car in the supermarket car park for two hours! Does this include money you have paid to get traffic, such as solo ads etc?

    You must be doing something right to get accepted by Google Adsence. Try driving traffic to these sites by paid traffic. Free traffic is OK but it is very slow and hard work.

    Paid traffick works fast!
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    • Profile picture of the author Michael Ten
      Originally Posted by ijohnson View Post

      Michael55555,

      Please know that you are not alone, as so many other Warriors have so transparently and honestly confessed. IM is a learning process that definitely requires a plan, money, time and focus.

      You have gotten a lot of great suggestions and advice here. The best advice I could give you would be to:
      • invest in a very good coach/mentor
      • Let them help you create a workable plan
      • focus on that plan only
      • work that plan from start to profit

      I wish you the best of success as you continue your IM journey.

      Iris
      There are individuals here who can serve as a model through observation. Are mentors/coaches usually paid?

      Originally Posted by Bernd Sauereisen View Post

      Hi:

      Lots of good advice here, but I too would suggest you get a mentor to show you what you need to do.
      I think that I should at least join more Skype groups that are at least somewhat about what I am trying to do.

      Originally Posted by barryjames View Post

      I've been trying to earn money online for over six years. I've spent easily over $1,000 in attempting to do so. I have earned far less than that as income. I've invested thousands of hours into this and have earned cents an hour. How should I proceed to be successful? Thanks.
      I will persist until I succeed. Never give up. Take action

      Six years and a $1000 dollars is about $3-00 a week. Here in England it costs me more than that to park my car in the supermarket car park for two hours! Does this include money you have paid to get traffic, such as solo ads etc?

      You must be doing something right to get accepted by Google Adsence. Try driving traffic to these sites by paid traffic. Free traffic is OK but it is very slow and hard work.

      Paid traffick works fast!
      That would require more capital...
      Are there ways of sending paid traffic to AdSense sites without violating AdSense TOS? What are those?
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      • Profile picture of the author ijohnson
        [QUOTE=Michael55555;7093522]There are individuals here who can serve as a model through observation. Are mentors/coaches usually paid?



        I think that I should at least join more Skype groups that are at least somewhat about what I am trying to do.


        Michael55555,

        Sure there are individuals here on the WF who can serve as a model through observation, however, you will not move forward at a good pace to see yourself making enough money to warrant the time you are investing in IM. Nor will they share their secret money-making strategies or insider information freely (for free).

        A lot of the seasoned IMers here who share their knowledge so generously may not have the time to mentor or coach someone for free because it takes a lot of time and preparation for them to give you the attention you need in order for you to see a difference in the bottom line and your progress.

        There are quite a few paid coaching programs offered that does deliver what you need. A lot of them have Skype coaching sessions where they interact with you and conduct Q&As.

        With that being said, I have noticed links in sigs offering free coaching or free training in various areas of IM. I do not have any personal experience with them to recommend anyone.

        Take some time to determine what your business model will be, then seek someone who is an expert in that area to mentor or coach you. Investing in a good coach or mentor will definitely shorten your learning curve and save you lots of time and money because you will be making fewer costly mistakes.

        Iris
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        • Profile picture of the author Michael Ten
          [quote=ijohnson;7093612]
          Originally Posted by Michael55555 View Post

          There are individuals here who can serve as a model through observation. Are mentors/coaches usually paid?



          I think that I should at least join more Skype groups that are at least somewhat about what I am trying to do.


          Michael55555,

          Sure there are individuals here on the WF who can serve as a model through observation, however, you will not move forward at a good pace to see yourself making enough money to warrant the time you are investing in IM. Nor will they share their secret money-making strategies or insider information freely (for free).

          A lot of the seasoned IMers here who share their knowledge so generously may not have the time to mentor or coach someone for free because it takes a lot of time and preparation for them to give you the attention you need in order for you to see a difference in the bottom line and your progress.

          There are quite a few paid coaching programs offered that does deliver what you need. A lot of them have Skype coaching sessions where they interact with you and conduct Q&As.

          With that being said, I have noticed links in sigs offering free coaching or free training in various areas of IM. I do not have any personal experience with them to recommend anyone.

          Take some time to determine what your business model will be, then seek someone who is an expert in that area to mentor or coach you. Investing in a good coach or mentor will definitely shorten your learning curve and save you lots of time and money because you will be making fewer costly mistakes.

          Iris
          I've seen some of the free coaching sigs. I'll start with those. I'm optimistic about Skype groups. I was part of one earlier in the year and found it helpful. I think that there is a good chance it will be helpful again.
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  • Profile picture of the author RedShifted
    To the OP.

    Take a look at my sig as those are 2 skills I'm always developing and focusing on. I made money my first month on this forum although it was offline. Then about 6 months later I started doing really well with a combination of online/offline marketing.

    My main focus in marketing is exactly whats in my sig...
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  • Profile picture of the author Michael Ten
    "Resourceful people don't ask questions, they create solutions. The greatest salesmen know how to sell without being pushy (seductive selling). Adopt these 2 virtues in life and you'll be ahead of 90% of marketers."

    I like that... don't ask... just figure it out and do it. It reminds me of that Red Hot Chili Peppers song, "If you Have to Ask".... the lyrics go, "If you have to ask... you'll never know."

    Do you think that the second part could be thought of as attraction marketing instead of promotion marketing? I like the thought of attraction better than seductive, personally. Those are great ideas in your sig, it seems!
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  • I don't mean to be harsh, but... if you've tried IM for 6 years (assuming you've actually given it a worthy effort) and you haven't succeeded at it yet, perhaps IM is simply not for you?

    The "never give up" mantra is silly. One of the most important lessons we should learn in business (and life) is to choose wisely our battle fields. It seems like you've been battling the IM field for a long time without results... don't you reckon it's about time to choose a different field? You know, not everybody is talented for online business. Perhaps your strengths lie somewhere else?
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  • Profile picture of the author Stuart Walker
    It sounds like you've jumped around too much, trying anything new that you come across instead of sticking with one thing until it makes some money. Decide on what you're interested in and has the potential to make money. Make out a solid, long term, plan and stick with it. Don't get distracted by the shiny new system that comes a long promising to make you rich.

    In 6 years what have you learnt? What skills do you now have?
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    • Profile picture of the author steverich
      You need your own product/s which you feel enthusiastic about.....

      I see you already make YouTube videos, and do skype calls?........ Why not do painting tutorials / invite people to join you on series of conference calls/ webinars, where you teach how to paint different styles? step by step. painting a week sort of thing?

      Then you could bundle your vids and recorded webinars together and Bam! you have a new product with a ready made potential customer base.

      Good luck.
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    • Profile picture of the author Michael Ten
      Originally Posted by RockingLastsForever View Post

      It sounds like you've jumped around too much, trying anything new that you come across instead of sticking with one thing until it makes some money. Decide on what you're interested in and has the potential to make money. Make out a solid, long term, plan and stick with it. Don't get distracted by the shiny new system that comes a long promising to make you rich.

      In 6 years what have you learnt? What skills do you now have?
      I have learned about the best ways that I like to post/bundle content. I have learned about how to focus. I have learned what my passions are. I have learned about how I want to succeed, sort of. I have learned about video some. I have learned some about team efforts. This is also related to the skills that I have now........
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  • Profile picture of the author Christian Chan
    You should give up according to Seth Godin.
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  • Profile picture of the author Misterbe
    Yes we have all been there I must have been trying for 10 years or more spending much more than $1000. you can succeed and it does seem as though you have the right attitude which is not to give up. I just mentioned to another Warrior the best way to go is set up a squeeze page.

    Without a squeeze page you are dead in the water. This is the only way to go. You can get some ideas if you visit Google and type in squeeze pages but if you click on the link below you can see my example as to what I mean.

    All the best...John
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