I am having trouble finding a legit website designer/programmer

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I tried to search on google but couldn't come up with anything, the only thing I see is some people saying hire from craigslist or something like that. But I read some stories about how hiring a freelancer online is dangerous and that they can rob you and over charge you and the finished product could be very poorly designed and not easy to use.

I don't have much to spend but I need to find a place where there are reputable and safe programmers or web designers who can help me with my website.

I am trying to get a site that has user generated profiles so bloggers can have their own blog and it cannot be posted up until the editor approves it, but the writers are allowed to submit. Sorta like Examiner.com but with forums and members who can create their own profiles, I bought something called PHPfox before but the thing was hard for me to understand and it crashed my server because it loaded very slowly and could only handle a certain amount of people online at a time or it would crash.

I saved up some money but I am scared because of hearing the horror stories of people losing thousands and having their site delayed and programmers taking advantage and over charging innocent customers.

When hiring how does the process work, what questions to ask and how does the communication work since many of these web designers work overseas.

Please help with advice, thanks.
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  • Profile picture of the author bougalo
    Originally Posted by MisterMister View Post

    I tried to search on google but couldn't come up with anything, the only thing I see is some people saying hire from craigslist or something like that. But I read some stories about how hiring a freelancer online is dangerous and that they can rob you and over charge you and the finished product could be very poorly designed and not easy to use.

    I don't have much to spend but I need to find a place where there are reputable and safe programmers or web designers who can help me with my website.

    I am trying to get a site that has user generated profiles so bloggers can have their own blog and it cannot be posted up until the editor approves it, but the writers are allowed to submit. Sorta like Examiner.com but with forums and members who can create their own profiles, I bought something called PHPfox before but the thing was hard for me to understand and it crashed my server because it loaded very slowly and could only handle a certain amount of people online at a time or it would crash.

    I saved up some money but I am scared because of hearing the horror stories of people losing thousands and having their site delayed and programmers taking advantage and over charging innocent customers.

    When hiring how does the process work, what questions to ask and how does the communication work since many of these web designers work overseas.

    Please help with advice, thanks.
    Hi there,

    working with freelancers is not as scary as you might have heard. Especially if you rely on online micro gigs marketplaces, because these sites well established businesses.

    Any how, I think I might be able to help. I'm a web developer based in Fdredericksburg, Virginia USA. Checkout our site @ bravosite.com or you can also see some of my works on Fiverr HERE

    Good luck
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  • Profile picture of the author lilc800
    I have a Team of Web designers and Programmers and coders and they always get the work done. (You can PM me if want more info)

    You really do have to play it right and don't always go for the cheapest thing... Because sometimes you get what you pay for.

    If you ever hire anyone at least talk to them over skype if they can't spell correctly I normally don't pick them or if they have understanding issues or anything like that. I also look to see if they are professional or at least can Try and act professional.

    Good luck!
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  • Profile picture of the author CBusiness
    Finding the right designer/programmer can REALLY BE A TOUGH TIME

    I lost thousands and countless hours trying to work with people

    The one guy with the talent one time, had an attitude that was so disrespectful that I just dropped his job.

    It can be crazy definitely but i'd reccomend finding someone to refer you to another. Referrals help a lot.
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  • Profile picture of the author sbucciarel
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    You should post the project on Elance.com. It's free for you to post and you'll get bids on the project. Elance uses escrow so the money isn't released until the project is done to satisfaction. The bidders will have feedback from previous jobs they've won. Be sure to investigate that feedback before hiring anyone. Give the project several days to get bids so you have a nice range to choose from. Be very specific about what you want in your project description so that they can make an accurate bid. Don't accept any bids without a price attached. Some will try to contact you and place an open-ended bid. Reject them.
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    • Profile picture of the author jdkesler
      I have had pretty good success finding good quality freelancers on vworker.com. Much like sbucciarel suggested you will want to screen potential hirees carefully to be sure they can do the work. Also be clear and detailed as to what you want.
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  • Profile picture of the author travlinguy
    There are probably 50 or more warriors with ads on this forum right now. Check Warriors For Hire.
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  • Profile picture of the author edd666666
    Perhaps this will help your search, and I know it will help your final result, but split the duties in half, use a designer to design the site, or even buy a design from one of the premade design site, and then hire a program to build the insides. Very few people are good at design work and programing. OK, good luck, Ed
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  • Profile picture of the author WeavingThoughts
    Warrior for hire or Elance.com
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  • Profile picture of the author mikemac47
    I'm not sure how fancy you are looking for but you might want to take a look at Vistaprint.com. On several occassions in the past I have attempted to build a website using various software. I usually became stumpted or confused or always fell short of what I was wanting to accomplish. With Vistaprint I have accomplished with ease creating my own site. They have made it so simple to work with URL's and HTML's and all the other confusing computer codes.Their dashboard is made so that anyone who has worked with Microsoft Word or similur programs can use it. It is a complete system that will help you with SEO, conecting with social media, submitting to various search engines, and everthing else you may need. You can take a look at my site for example at tinyguy.com.
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  • Profile picture of the author Brandon Bell
    You should try Odesk or Elance. Just post your job and its requirements. As people apply for the job, you'll get different bids and an exact price before committing. It doesn't get much easier than that.
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    • Profile picture of the author Indecision
      Depends what you are actually looking for but any talented web designer/progammer probably won't be begging for work on the internet. If you want high quality work then you need to be prepared to pay high prices.
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      • Profile picture of the author Quoia
        Originally Posted by Indecision View Post

        Depends what you are actually looking for but any talented web designer/progammer probably won't be begging for work on the internet. If you want high quality work then you need to be prepared to pay high prices.
        "Begging" or advertising? There is a distinct difference.

        But Indecision makes a valid point. It's the bane of a good designer's existence, in the cheap minded culture that's popular right now, everybody want's a lot for a little. Higher prices should naturally equate to higher quality, in the case that it doesn't you would see reams of internet posts about how a design firm has been ripping off it's customers.

        If you are budget strapped and need a decent site designed, Odesk and Elance as mentioned by others, are safe places to shop, but remember you usually get what you pay for.
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  • Profile picture of the author z9ack
    I have had success with elance and odesk for projects like this. There are no guarantees that you wont run into a bad provider here and there, but that just comes with the territory. Stick with reputable sites/providers and you should have no problems.
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  • Profile picture of the author seasoned
    MisterMister,

    The advice you are getting here isn't the best. I'm a programmer/developer and have a lot of experience in this area. I have run almost 2000 people through an interview that YEARS later those that PASSED(not many did), still talk about, saying it was difficult, etc....

    FIRST, make sure you have, and convey, the idea of what you want AS CLOSE AS POSSIBLE! Consider refining it FIRST!!!!!!!! Carefully put in all you want for your first release.

    SECOND, make sure you have, and convey, the PLATFORM!!!!! Database? Operating system? Language? Web server? Etc.....

    THIRD, Maybe write a bit of a manual. There may be changes, but BELIEVE ME, this advice is GOLD!

    THEN go looking for a programmer. I wish MY customers would do the first 2 items above. Some take MONTHS to give me the info, and their project SUFFERS! I ALWAYS ask for it. The more they give me, even GENERAL info and a little account, and things are a LOT better!

    As far as the quality, etc, and price? It CAN vary a LOT! That depends on the programmer. But if you need a PHP program and have HTTP, DON'T blame the programmer if he programs it in Java for JSP. If you have mysql, and don't state it, DON'T blame him if he programs it for Oracle using PLSQL. If you have a PHP server, and want to install it YOURSELF, and so have him develop it on HIS system, don't be upset if you find that he used a different version, or there is a library compatibility problem.

    BTW want to hear a term that SCARES corporate people? One that seems to happen all the time, etc....? One that YOU can AVOID?

    SCOPE CREEP!!!!!! It is when someone, like you, hires someone, like a programmer, and gives instruction and gets an estimate, etc.... and THEN, the person hiring starts adding stuff. It is often slow(creep), but the SCOPE(what is covered) grows.

    Steve
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    • Profile picture of the author MisterMister
      Originally Posted by seasoned View Post

      MisterMister,

      The advice you are getting here isn't the best. I'm a programmer/developer and have a lot of experience in this area. I have run almost 2000 people through an interview that YEARS later those that PASSED(not many did), still talk about, saying it was difficult, etc....

      FIRST, make sure you have, and convey, the idea of what you want AS CLOSE AS POSSIBLE! Consider refining it FIRST!!!!!!!! Carefully put in all you want for your first release.

      SECOND, make sure you have, and convey, the PLATFORM!!!!! Database? Operating system? Language? Web server? Etc.....

      THIRD, Maybe write a bit of a manual. There may be changes, but BELIEVE ME, this advice is GOLD!

      THEN go looking for a programmer. I wish MY customers would do the first 2 items above. Some take MONTHS to give me the info, and their project SUFFERS! I ALWAYS ask for it. The more they give me, even GENERAL info and a little account, and things are a LOT better!

      As far as the quality, etc, and price? It CAN vary a LOT! That depends on the programmer. But if you need a PHP program and have HTTP, DON'T blame the programmer if he programs it in Java for JSP. If you have mysql, and don't state it, DON'T blame him if he programs it for Oracle using PLSQL. If you have a PHP server, and want to install it YOURSELF, and so have him develop it on HIS system, don't be upset if you find that he used a different version, or there is a library compatibility problem.

      BTW want to hear a term that SCARES corporate people? One that seems to happen all the time, etc....? One that YOU can AVOID?

      SCOPE CREEP!!!!!! It is when someone, like you, hires someone, like a programmer, and gives instruction and gets an estimate, etc.... and THEN, the person hiring starts adding stuff. It is often slow(creep), but the SCOPE(what is covered) grows.

      Steve

      Thanks steve for the heads up!

      I am computer illiterate and just blog, so I am clueless on the majority of things, I used a basic wordpress like most, and I was thinking of investing in a better looking site. But have trouble finding anyone and scared of losing my saved up cash which I don't have much off to someone who will add charges stalling my site just to milk funds from me.
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      • It sounds like you'd be better off hiring a programmer/developer fulltime. Someone who can guide you through what you want and advise you on the best things to do. Why don't you try outsourcing it to a programmer or developer from the Philippines? It's cheaper, that way you'll be able to afford hiring one full time. Bestjobs.ph and Onlinejobs.ph have the biggest list of Filipino workers I know.
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  • Profile picture of the author Swetton
    I've built my entire website design and development company by hiring through odesk.com. I would recommend giving it a chance and an ensure that you are hiring people with solid portfolios and ratings on past work.
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  • Profile picture of the author tristatemedia
    i use odesk as well. go with high ratings.
    conyact me for $100 credit to odesk.
    100 dollars worth of work for free
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  • Profile picture of the author Kevin Ocasio
    The crowdsourcing site 99designs.com is another option to consider.
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  • Profile picture of the author gpwilson
    It's totally upto you that how do you do that. Because you want to making a website and only you know, what is your requirements. While discussing with them about the requirements you just need to discuss those requirements only. They would do their job according to your requirements.
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  • Profile picture of the author Nspire
    couple things that i think is important to consider:

    1. No matter what outsourcing website you use it is important to look closely at their portfolio. If you don't like their previous design work you will probably not like what they create for you.

    2. Check out the feedback/testimonies from previous clients.

    3. As was mentioned above make sure that you give clear details and document the requirements for the project.
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    • Profile picture of the author muzzy4u2
      Originally Posted by Nspire View Post

      couple things that i think is important to consider:

      1. No matter what outsourcing website you use it is important to look closely at their portfolio. If you don't like their previous design work you will probably not like what they create for you.

      2. Check out the feedback/testimonies from previous clients.

      3. As was mentioned above make sure that you give clear details and document the requirements for the project.


      I totally agree with Nspire.

      to whatever site or company/individual you outsource just make sure to go through their details, previous works, reviews etc..
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  • Profile picture of the author Ncosti
    Have you considered post an ad offering to pay when the work is done? Offer them 10% to get started then when it's complete you'll give the rest at full price. I know a lot of quality programmers might not like that sort of situation but your other option is to find someone in your local yellow pages, i.e. on a craigslist type site and then at least you have their information and if the product isn't to your liking you can sue them. Just some thoughts, I have no experience on the subject.
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  • Profile picture of the author prolink83
    Okay, when you post something like this, you may get some great leads and resources directly from the members. However If I were you, I would do the followings:

    1. Figure out my budget, how much you want to spend, what exactly you need to get done.

    2. Google google, type in what you need to get done, be specific, and look for companies from organic search results try to look for the top 5, stay from the ads, go to Bing, and Yahoo and make sure the ones you wrote down have similar presence as well.

    3. Once you selected your final 3 providers, go back to google, type in the name of the company and add word "scam" "complaints" "BBB" to view their BBB report, scam report if any, most people forget to do that.

    4. If everything checks out, give them a call ask if they have any similar portfolio that are specific tailor to your industry or your business and then last but not least make sure whatever they charge will fit your budget.


    Hope this helps.


    Originally Posted by MisterMister View Post

    I tried to search on google but couldn't come up with anything, the only thing I see is some people saying hire from craigslist or something like that. But I read some stories about how hiring a freelancer online is dangerous and that they can rob you and over charge you and the finished product could be very poorly designed and not easy to use.

    I don't have much to spend but I need to find a place where there are reputable and safe programmers or web designers who can help me with my website.

    I am trying to get a site that has user generated profiles so bloggers can have their own blog and it cannot be posted up until the editor approves it, but the writers are allowed to submit. Sorta like Examiner.com but with forums and members who can create their own profiles, I bought something called PHPfox before but the thing was hard for me to understand and it crashed my server because it loaded very slowly and could only handle a certain amount of people online at a time or it would crash.

    I saved up some money but I am scared because of hearing the horror stories of people losing thousands and having their site delayed and programmers taking advantage and over charging innocent customers.

    When hiring how does the process work, what questions to ask and how does the communication work since many of these web designers work overseas.

    Please help with advice, thanks.
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  • Profile picture of the author OldLodgeSkins
    Hi,

    An option would be to do it yourself. My latest e-book called "Professional website creation made easy" will be free on Amazon next Wednesday and Thursday. You could very well do what you're looking for with it, once you've built the whole website as instructed in the book you'd only have to add an additional menu item. Just contact me after building your website if necessary and I'm sure we'll solve this in 10 minutes.

    See How to build your own professional-looking website - Best Website Design for more details and just wait for the free period. It starts on Wednesday at approximately 12AM PST.

    Seb.
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    • Profile picture of the author xparte
      Originally Posted by OldLodgeSkins View Post

      Hi,

      An option would be to do it yourself. My latest e-book called "Professional website creation made easy" will be free on Amazon next Wednesday and Thursday. You could very well do what you're looking for with it, once you've built the whole website as instructed in the book you'd only have to add an additional menu item. Just contact me after building your website if necessary and I'm sure we'll solve this in 10 minutes.

      See How to build your own professional-looking website - Best Website Design for more details and just wait for the free period. It starts on Wednesday at approximately 12AM PST.

      Seb.
      OLS, thanks for the book. I grabbed it and I'm looking forward to learning something. It's all Greek to me.
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      • Profile picture of the author OldLodgeSkins
        Originally Posted by xparte View Post

        OLS, thanks for the book. I grabbed it and I'm looking forward to learning something. It's all Greek to me.
        You're welcome. Enjoy
        Don't forget to post your review on Amazon, I offer free support to those who do, through my forum.
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  • Originally Posted by MisterMister View Post

    But I read some stories about how hiring a freelancer online is dangerous and that they can rob you and over charge you and the finished product could be very poorly designed and not easy to use. (...)

    I don't have much to spend but I need to find a place where there are reputable and safe programmers or web designers who can help me with my website. (...)

    I saved up some money but I am scared because of hearing the horror stories of people losing thousands and having their site delayed and programmers taking advantage and over charging innocent customers.
    Hi MisterMister, I understand your fears.

    It's hard to do business with someone over the Internet and not being sure of how trustworthy they are.

    There are 2 ways to circumvent this, in my opinion:
    1. Find reputable/famous firms
    The only problem with these firms are that they are expensive. Otherwise, they have done lots of work for big brands, have a reputation to uphold, and generally do a great job for you. If you have enough funds I will recommend going to these.
    2. Use established systems like oDesk and Elance. I personally work as a web designer on oDesk, and I must say the system works perfectly well for first-time clients like yourself. First, you aren't charged a fee for posting your job on it, only when the project is confirmed, upon which oDesk will charge a percentage as commission. Second, if you hire by the hour, you get to see screenshots of what the contractor is doing during the hours he/she is supposed to be working. If, for example, one of the screenshots show the contractor on Facebook, for that period of time indicated by the screenshot, you don't have to pay. Third, there is a system whereby you can check out a designer/developer's ratings and expertise (based on oDesk's tests), so there's a safety net. There is a problem, though, of the site flooding with hack contractors who don't read your job description and simply dump their canned responses at you. You will have to be careful about that, and be more selective.

    Finally, if you are interested, you may want to read my blog, which my clients have found to be very informative, so as a prospective hirer, you may want to read the blog thoroughly to be well-prepared. (Unfortunately, I can't post links here - PM me if you're interested in either my blog's URL or some examples of reputable firms that cost.)

    If you need more advice, feel free to PM me or post a reply to this. Will be glad to help. And good luck for your project.
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  • Profile picture of the author Jan W
    I had some success finding good designers on elance but if you like to choose between different designers then just run a contest on forum digital points or use crowdsourcing design services like 99designs
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  • Profile picture of the author eugenedm
    You can check out Odesk. They have a lot of workers there who are legit website desginer/programmer. On top of that, in Odesk you get an idea how much those workers would like to be paid.
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