Does anyone believe proof anymore

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I know this may seem an odd question, but along with questionable reviews I have a tough time with some of if not all the proof shots.

For me. I would rather buy and check it out myself than buy it based on a screen shot. So the question

Income screen shots....

Dodgey?

Or

Not?
#anymore #proof
  • Profile picture of the author Mr. Ken Russell
    Sometimes you can tell when people are faking it.. but sometimes people actually make these insane numbers.. You can tell by the sales page.
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  • Profile picture of the author Ncosti
    Even if it were something like paypal, you could open it up and forge results easily I think, if not simply use photoshop. I think someone who is very clear and not dodgy about their methods would be more trustworthy than someone posting a screen cap of the money in their bank account. I think logically understanding the process that goes behind how those sales are made is much more important.
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  • Profile picture of the author Mike Hill
    I would suggest looking at other forms of proof as well, such as other marketers they had worked with, actual verifiable customers, etc...

    You should also ask yourself, if those income screenshots weren't there would you still feel the same about the product? Are there other elements to their sales page that back up what they are saying or is it all just over the top hype? Some hype is good and will always be present but if you have no idea what this secret method is then there is a lot to be said about that product. It could be the real deal or not.

    This is why people dart from one product to another... they are afraid of letting the real deal slide by.

    The best idea is to pick a business model and stick with it, if something comes along that can help improve that one business model then take a chance but if it doesn't then skip it. Stay on your path and you will have successes...
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    • Profile picture of the author Bill Hugall
      Originally Posted by Mike Hill View Post

      I would suggest looking at other forms of proof as well, such as other marketers they had worked with, actual verifiable customers, etc...

      You should also ask yourself, if those income screenshots weren't there would you still feel the same about the product? Are there other elements to their sales page that back up what they are saying or is it all just over the top hype? Some hype is good and will always be present but if you have no idea what this secret method is then there is a lot to be said about that product. It could be the real deal or not.

      This is why people dart from one product to another... they are afraid of letting the real deal slide by.

      The best idea is to pick a business model and stick with it, if something comes along that can help improve that one business model then take a chance but if it doesn't then skip it. Stay on your path and you will have successes...

      I agree with the whole thing and I should say that I get the whole process. In fact I love the way this business is put together. I am constantly checking in to see how people are putting packages together and the end result. A good sales page is awesome if you want to kill some time, and learn while doing it.

      That is what got me thinking of the question in the first place. With such brilliant copy out there these days. I am almost more sold on just good copy
      with no images at all. That said. The right amount copy with the perfect graphics accompanying it make for a great experience. Since I actually began to understand the whole process and make money I haven't even paid attention to the numbers unless they seemed to be a bit suspect.
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  • Profile picture of the author superplatinum
    I wouldn't say they're dodgy. Maybe they aren't as compelling as they used to be, but I wouldn't say they're dodgy.

    They're just there to back a claim. Whether they work or not often depends on what the rest of the site is claiming. If you have a site with an obviously bogus claim, no number of screen shots is going to change your mind, right?
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  • Profile picture of the author godinu
    I would suggest: see how you feel about what is being offered without proof of income. Does it seem like it could really work, or does it seem just like all the other overhyped stuff? Is it something you could implement and actually feel good about doing? That says more to me than someone's screenshots. For what it's worth, I have never had results similar to someone else's on THEIR methods that I've tried, but I am sure some of them are having great results.
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  • Profile picture of the author RenderTheWeb
    I don't believe in them. Things can be forged so easily nowadays that I find it hard to believe sometimes. The processing of verifying or doing the gamble is usually done, this is why I try to keep the investment as small as possible. You lose some you gain some.
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  • Profile picture of the author Vadimarket
    Not sure what you mean by "anymore". If a person used to believe in proof back then he'd probably believe it now. There is no way to find out where the money on screenshots are coming from.

    Whenever I see one of these all I can think of is that someone gets money from somewhere. Some of them blur out their names, so you can't even tell that the seller is actually the owner of that account.
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  • Profile picture of the author sirtiman
    I don't share a proof without real proven by myself.
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    • Profile picture of the author AprilCT
      I don't necessarily believe screenshots. They are too easy to change, I think most people are familiar with Photoshop, etc. and know what these programs can do.

      It all depends on many other factors whether I would purchase something or not, regardless of the screen shot being there or not publishing one. An outrageous claim via screenshot, though, is a definite turnoff.
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  • Profile picture of the author TimPiazza
    I just skip the proof. It has no value to me, nor do many other claims because there is always a condition that must be met, such as a kickA** list or a large customer base to up-sell another product.

    I have noticed many marketers are now providing "live video proof" instead. These results can be manipulated too, but it's more difficult.
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  • Profile picture of the author Adie
    It really depends on whether the screenshots are fake or not and its easy to check them... Depends on the seller's reputation as well..
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  • Profile picture of the author JabMonkey
    Screenshots mean nothing. But I recall a woman from the UK posting a WSO here who showed a video of her logging into her bank account....over a million....that was impressive.
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  • Profile picture of the author prolink83
    Depending what type proofs you are talking about, money making proofs with paypal screenshots? clickbank or any other affiliate payouts screenshots? Of course they can easily to edited with any decent graphic software.

    If you are referring SEM, SEO proofs, ask for URL and keywords and rank them yourself on google.

    Traffic proofs ask for reports from google analytic accounts.

    Keep in mind in reality most of them can be altered in someway if the provider decides to be shady. Take legitimate reviews for other reputable members and seller's social reputations into considerations as well.
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  • Profile picture of the author Joseph Robinson
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    Just skip it. The product seller could come straight to your house with a months worth of earnings (in cash) and slap you in the face with it: still doesn't mean much to you. Always remember when it comes to IM products that your results will vary.
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  • Profile picture of the author cnwoods303
    I agree, I feel like there are alot of false proof/reviews. I try to stay away from WSO's the best that I can but sometimes the product sounds just too good. Reviews never persuade me to buy a WSO unless there are several negative reviews and the OP does nothing to counter the negative review, in that case I stay away.
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  • Profile picture of the author Roshaan
    this is an ERA of scams and frauds so any one cant be your friend or he could be it is upto u what you should see is not a proof but ask for testimonials from any of members
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    • Profile picture of the author Alexa Smith
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      I've never believed them.

      But I don't buy products that make earnings claims in their sales material, anyway.

      I do suspect that the number of other people who do is declining slightly, too. And that regulatory/legal issues around this issue can only ever increase, not reduce.
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  • Profile picture of the author MaryPabelate
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    If a proof is supported by lots of reviews and the reviews are real reviews then it may be helpful.

    If the proof is posted on any authority site like Wikipedia, about.com, ehow.com then you have to believe it..
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  • Profile picture of the author MyNiches
    I've been a part of some pretty big projects, and just based off of my small JV%, I can do the math and tell for certain that the launcher was pulling some off-the-charts numbers.

    Having seen massively successful projects, and absolute failures - you develop a bit of an eye to tell which screenshots are plausible and which ones are clearly false. Context has a lot more to do with it than the numbers themselves... As a rule of thumb, I'm a skeptical person, but people faking screenshots generally don't have all their s*** together so it's not too hard to spot a phony IMO.
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  • Profile picture of the author ryanmilligan
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    I believe them if I think that the marketer is credible...

    ... If I've never heard of them before yet they claim to be earning $10'000'000 a month, then I usually smell something fishy.

    It is getting harder and harder to believe, especially with the firefox add on "fire-bug", I can literally change anything on a webpage to whatever I want in seconds and then take a screen-capture and most people would be none the wiser.

    Which just goes to show, really...
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  • Profile picture of the author sbucciarel
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    I don't normally buy the type of products that use income screen shots as proof, and no, I don't believe them.
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