JVZoo/Digiresults/Warrior Plus-Type Instant Commission Affiliate Networks Popping Up All Over

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Well, my prediction has come true...

Looks like these kind of networks are starting to popup all over the place.

I've seen 2 new ones in the past few days alone.

The game is changing.

Those who got in early and are already established definitely have the upper hand I think.
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  • Profile picture of the author Ross Cohen
    ....... and?

    Just kidding. I think any affiliate out there would prefer instant payouts, especially because you can't trust anyone online unfortunately, no matter how nice they seem. Heck, a company could simply not pay you your commissions and all of a sudden you're SOL. I'm a huge fan of W+ and JVZoo. Great affiliate area. I wish W+ would implement the delayed payouts like JVZoo, but that's only because I got a little screwed a couple months back. Not a huge deal.

    /agree.
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    • Profile picture of the author JasonParker
      Originally Posted by Ross Cohen View Post

      ....... and?

      Just kidding. I think any affiliate out there would prefer instant payouts, especially because you can't trust anyone online unfortunately, no matter how nice they seem. Heck, a company could simply not pay you your commissions and all of a sudden you're SOL. I'm a huge fan of W+ and JVZoo. Great affiliate area. I wish W+ would implement the delayed payouts like JVZoo, but that's only because I got a little screwed a couple months back. Not a huge deal.

      /agree.
      I know what you mean. I've had to hunt down all kinds of commissions from promoting through 1 Shopping Cart and Infusionsoft.

      What you said about getting screwed by affiliates... I'm personally scared to death to do the adaptive payments as a vendor. For that and many reasons. Tax hassles... Breaking my account with a flood of orders...
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      • Profile picture of the author Michael Shook
        I have products outside of IM that are in alternative affiliate networks. I have a couple of IM products too. I have been treated very well and courteously by the networks.

        I do not have a network myself but I appreciate what is being offered by these places. For me, it is well worth what I pay in fees.
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        • Profile picture of the author JasonParker
          Originally Posted by JMichaelZ View Post

          I have products outside of IM that are in alternative affiliate networks. I have a couple of IM products too. I have been treated very well and courteously by the networks.

          I do not have a network myself but I appreciate what is being offered by these places. For me, it is well worth what I pay in fees.
          Have you been picking up active affiliates who are already in the networks or have you been driving new affiliates to the network to promote your stuff?
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    • Profile picture of the author sbucciarel
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      Originally Posted by Ross Cohen View Post

      ....... and?

      Just kidding. I think any affiliate out there would prefer instant payouts, especially because you can't trust anyone online unfortunately, no matter how nice they seem. Heck, a company could simply not pay you your commissions and all of a sudden you're SOL. I'm a huge fan of W+ and JVZoo. Great affiliate area. I wish W+ would implement the delayed payouts like JVZoo, but that's only because I got a little screwed a couple months back. Not a huge deal.

      /agree.
      Well fraud is a two way street and these networks are full of "affiliates" who are nothing but career criminals. If you approve them for instant payouts, expect to get a lot of sales one day and then the next day, here come the Paypal credit card chargebacks, saying the purchase was unauthorized. Happened to me. They got the commission, withdrew it all from their Paypal account, and then the chargebacks came, so I didn't keep the sale money and paid them to rip me off.

      Let that be a warning. DO NOT approve people YOU DO NOT KNOW for instant commissions. YOU WILL get burned.
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  • Profile picture of the author Michael D Forbes
    Yep, folks have finally figured out that their is money in them thar networks, however...

    Without a significant vendor and affiliate base, most of these new networks will languish in obscurity. It's a bit like the Fiverr clones, FB wannabees, and the little search engines that no one has ever heard of.

    I wish everyone the best, but I think most people are going to stick pretty close with the well known few for the near future. The fragmentation that is going on is a bit annoying to me personally with vendors and affiliates hopping around looking for greener pastures.
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  • Profile picture of the author kindsvater
    Jason, that last sentence of your post is very valuable.

    A first mover advantage can be almost impossible to overcome without a significant new benefit to a product.

    There is a book called "Positioning" by Al Ries and Jack Trout that dives into this topic. It is really good.

    You didn't list anyone, so let me add PayGear to the possibilities. Not brand new, but it offers instant commissions. DigiBilly is another instant pay service.

    Have you seen anything outside of the "IM" niche?

    This is probably limited to digital downloads, there are obviously fraud issues and, ironically, "IM" tends to have more fraud than other niches.

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    • Profile picture of the author JasonParker
      Originally Posted by kindsvater View Post

      Jason, that last sentence of your post is very valuable.

      A first mover advantage can be almost impossible to overcome without a significant new benefit to a product.

      There is a book called "Positioning" by Al Ries and Jack Trout that dives into this topic. It is really good.

      You didn't list anyone, so let me add PayGear to the possibilities. Not brand new, but it offers instant commissions. DigiBilly is another instant pay service.

      Have you seen anything outside of the "IM" niche?

      This is probably limited to digital downloads, there are obviously fraud issues and, ironically, "IM" tends to have more fraud than other niches.

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      Almost all of them can be used for products outside of the IM niche, but I haven't seen any that are primarily focused on products outside of IM niche. Seems like you could easily have one for weight loss and health niches... Maybe there are some that we don't know about.
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  • Profile picture of the author WillR
    The unfortunate thing with these business models is that they are almost 100% dependent on Paypal. If Paypal drops off the face of the earth or gets jack with these networks, there's a lot of money and time down the toilet.

    You might even see Paypal put out their own alternative network sooner rather than later -- wink wink.
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    • Profile picture of the author JasonParker
      Originally Posted by WillR View Post

      The unfortunate thing with these business models is that they are almost 100% dependent on Paypal. If Paypal drops off the face of the earth or gets jack with these networks, there's a lot of money and time down the toilet.

      You might even see Paypal put out their own alternative network sooner rather than later -- wink wink.
      Sure it can all go away, but for the time being it seems like the owners of these networks are making thousands per day.

      They saw an opportunity, even if limited, and grabbed the bull by the horns.

      Now the "me too" marketers are coming along and creating their own networks.

      They have a shot at growing, though the already established networks already have massive affiliate bases.

      So all in all, yes it can all go away and probably will, but I don't see what these owners are doing as a waste of time and effort just because it will likely end sometime in the future.

      Right now they are raking in possibly over a million a year. It'll take a decade for low 6 figure marketers to make that, so no... Not a waste of effort and time at all in my book.

      I think part of being a good marketer is recognizing your opportunities and acting on it.
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      • Profile picture of the author WillR
        Originally Posted by JasonParker View Post

        Sure it can all go away, but for the time being it seems like the owners of these networks are making thousands per day.

        They saw an opportunity, even if limited, and grabbed the bull by the horns.

        Now the "me too" marketers are coming along and creating their own networks.

        They have a shot at growing, though the already established networks already have massive affiliate bases.

        So all in all, yes it can all go away and probably will, but I don't see what these owners are doing as a waste of time and effort just because it will likely end sometime in the future.

        Right now they are raking in possibly over a million a year. It'll take a decade for low 6 figure marketers to make that, so no... Not a waste of effort and time at all in my book.

        I think part of being a good marketer is recognizing your opportunities and acting on it.
        Oh don't get me wrong. I am not saying they shouldn't have done it. Ofcourse, some of the networks would be making a nice amount each year and they have helped a lot of us earn a lot of money.

        What I am saying is that these networks should be looking at other ways to run without Paypal before something like that happens otherwise they are building a business on a house of cards.

        Maybe one of them should start their own payment processor. But heck, who would want to be involved in all that risk... especially in the IM niche.

        These networks are currently 100% dependent on Paypal which would leave me feeling just a little uneasy if I were the owner of one of those networks.

        But competition drives innovation so stay tuned.
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    • Profile picture of the author HeatherH
      Originally Posted by WillR View Post

      The unfortunate thing with these business models is that they are almost 100% dependent on Paypal. If Paypal drops off the face of the earth or gets jack with these networks, there's a lot of money and time down the toilet.

      You might even see Paypal put out their own alternative network sooner rather than later -- wink wink.
      Oooh I love rumours! I'd rather they stuck with the original though - simplicity
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  • Profile picture of the author adsenserep
    Thanks I will take a look at this
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  • I agree on the PayPal thing: Warrior Plus, JV Zoo, etc are all too dependent on PayPal. Unfortunately, there' hardly any alternative to PayPal for this type of networks.
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    • Profile picture of the author ChrisDouthit
      WillR, good point about being 100% dependent on PayPal. That is why at PayGear you can run instant commission and process with any of 3 processors. PayPal. Google Checkout, and Authorize.net. WSOs are also free on PayGear. By free I mean free to sign up, free to post, zero transaction fees and instant approval.
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