by distrakt Banned
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I'm not a great writer and I was wondering if anyone had any great experience in outsourcing high quality (useful) content writers, at least the ones that can passed Google latest updates. I tried iWriter, textbrooker, some of the Warriors for hire and so far I like textbrooker but it gets pricy. Any suggestions?

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  • Profile picture of the author travlinguy
    Good luck. I think your criteria (getting past Google) is killing you. That's no way near what makes a good writer good.
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  • Profile picture of the author WeavingThoughts
    If iwriter is pricey then I am not sure a good writer will fit your budget.
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  • Profile picture of the author WeavingThoughts
    You need to remember, you get what you pay for.

    There is a market for $2.5, $5, $10 and $500 per page writers. But the principle is the Law of Karma. That is, you get what you pay for, within a range of possible quality differences of course.

    There are some gems at $5 but they lack communication, service, seriousness in work and may be available only a few times a year. The same person when he becomes serious and gets over worked is likely to charge $25 for that same content.

    Just an example.

    I am not saying that iwriter is bad, nor am I saying if it is good. But honestly iwriter is definitely not pricey. Getting acceptable content for much less isnt going to be easy. And if even text broker doesn't cut it for you, then just go for $50-200 per page writers.
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    • Profile picture of the author discrat
      Yes,
      You can definitely find $10 for very quality writers for over 400 word articles. You just have to do some investigating with trial and error. And try them out.

      Currently, I have an excellent one I came upon, and I hope she does not catch on that she is a $30 or $40 or more quality article writer.
      And hope I get 'grandfathered' in with her current prices at $10
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    • Profile picture of the author distrakt
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      Originally Posted by WeavingThoughts View Post

      You need to remember, you get what you pay for.

      There is a market for $2.5, $5, $10 and $500 per page writers. But the principle is the Law of Karma. That is, you get what you pay for, within a range of possible quality differences of course.

      There are some gems at $5 but they lack communication, service, seriousness in work and may be available only a few times a year. The same person when he becomes serious and gets over worked is likely to charge $25 for that same content.

      Just an example.

      I am not saying that iwriter is bad, nor am I saying if it is good. But honestly iwriter is definitely not pricey. Getting acceptable content for much less isnt going to be easy. And if even text broker doesn't cut it for you, then just go for $50-200 per page writers.
      I'm sorry to point this out but I actually went through your service and its the worst job I ever had, I'm still waiting after 2 months for articles. Thanks for your input but I don't consider your service any greater than iwriter, plus I said textbrooker is pricy not iwriter.
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      • Profile picture of the author WeavingThoughts
        Originally Posted by distrakt View Post

        I'm sorry to point this out but I actually went through your service and its the worst job I ever had, I'm still waiting after 2 months for articles. Thanks for your input but I don't consider your service any greater than iwriter, plus I said textbrooker is pricy not iwriter.
        1. The articles we did for you are excellent if I am to quote you. There is a delay though.

        2. What you want is more than just writing the articles. You want more than just the content and you are paying zero extra for the extra frills.

        3. For the cost you are getting that quality with the extra frills, I challenge you to find an alternative who is well known in the business. You are asking for 30% extra effort apart from plain article writing and paying less than my base rate.

        4. You ordered over 50k words of content and 1+ month is absolutely normal for that and I told that to you upfront as well.

        5. Your work was completed long back and currently the revisions are in progress. 1+ month doesn't include revisions if required. And the revisions are for the extra effort that your work involves without extra charge. And of the revisions 90% are complete. Just the last 10% revisions are left.

        6. I am not complaining or anything. I didn't even know that this was your thread.

        7. Your remaining revisions are in progress and you will be updated soon.

        8. Even with my firm if you want a fast tat with guaranteed quick delivery and additional instructions, then this quality costs $10-15 per 500 words. You are getting it for less than a quarter of this price

        9. And I know enough about my company to tell you that iwriter won't be better quality, just better TAT which I agree with.

        10. Anyway, stopping here. Take care!
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  • Profile picture of the author Jeremy Bratcher
    I just want to reiterate what has been said about "you get what you pay for" since most people don't listen to this and go on throwing their money away on poor quality content.

    Consider it an investment in your business. Now you want to make a million dollars, right? Do you really believe that you can do this by paying under 1 penny a word?

    Honestly, if you hire such cheap writers, you may as well just write the content yourself. I bet it will do just as well.

    Find a niche you can monetize and invest $200-300 in 4-6 articles (about $50 a pop). You will be happy when you see new AND returning visitors to your pages. Poor quality content sites will have very high bounce rates and little to no returning visitors.
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  • Profile picture of the author Chris Worner
    Most of the talented writers I know rarely advertise their services since they are booked out and you have to place an order weeks in advance. (Sometimes months)

    So good luck trying to find somebody really good.

    -Chris
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    • Profile picture of the author WeavingThoughts
      Originally Posted by Chris Worner View Post

      Most of the talented writers I know rarely advertise their services since they are booked out and you have to place an order weeks in advance. (Sometimes months)

      So good luck trying to find somebody really good.

      -Chris
      You are talking of copywriters or other big shots at that level. He probably needs to just monetize using Adsense or methods of that level and not a copy.
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      • Profile picture of the author Joseph Robinson
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        Originally Posted by WeavingThoughts View Post

        You are talking of copywriters or other big shots at that level. He probably needs to just monetize using Adsense or methods of that level and not a copy.
        Translation: Don't say that! Otherwise they're not going to hire my company because we aren't booked for weeks!

        :rolleyes:
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  • Profile picture of the author WeavingThoughts
    I know a secret way of getting quality content for less



    Visit a public college. Hold a contests for a small prize money and the condition of leading to regular work. Mention your budget beforehand.

    If you plan this well it may take 100s initially but you will also get 100s of public college students to apply for you. Choose the ones who are the best and they already accepted your budget before hand. Just organizing the contests and prize money perhaps is the initial investment.

    You will still need to pay $5+ per 500 words but will get content worth a lot more.
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  • Profile picture of the author Joseph Then
    Originally Posted by distrakt View Post

    I'm not a great writer and I was wondering if anyone had any great experience in outsourcing high quality (useful) content writers, at least the ones that can passed Google latest updates. I tried iWriter, textbrooker, some of the Warriors for hire and so far I like textbrooker but it gets pricy. Any suggestions?
    If that's your primary purpose (ie passed Google latest updates) then you are just wasting your money and time.
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  • Profile picture of the author MarketFriendly
    You can also try Fweez.com they can write anything for you for cheap.

    There are other writing services out there, you would just have to find the right one for you.
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  • Profile picture of the author tarfandkhaneh
    and how about editors? are these writers writing in nice English style, or they need editors, too?!
    (* specially for those who English isn't their first language)
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  • Profile picture of the author Joseph Robinson
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    Well, that took an unexpected turn.
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  • Profile picture of the author distrakt
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    I'll just stick with textbrooker. Thanks for the advice guys..
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  • Profile picture of the author MikeThomas
    I would look on ODesk.com and look for writers that are new. Test a bunch of them out. You can usually find some gems
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  • Profile picture of the author Horny Devil
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    OP, four onley $1/5,000 words I wil rite you grate sceript.
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  • Profile picture of the author Corey Geer
    Originally Posted by distrakt View Post

    I'm not a great writer and I was wondering if anyone had any great experience in outsourcing high quality (useful) content writers, at least the ones that can passed Google latest updates. I tried iWriter, textbrooker, some of the Warriors for hire and so far I like textbrooker but it gets pricy. Any suggestions?

    Thanks
    Those places get pricey? Oh god...

    I'm going to just give you my experience. The last time I hired a $1 per 100 word writer out of sheer curiosity to see what the quality was like, this is what I got back: (I'm not going to count the people who sent me word for word copies of Wikipedia).

    My Window Was Broken By A Stone - What Should I Do?
    Don’t panic. The run rock in the windows is a very typical scenario. You're generating on a significant freeway and a stone move off of a development automobile of is launched from its wheel treads. The stone starts to slowly down instantly, returned great into the air - and getting on your windows. You listen to the break, and then you see it - a bull’s eye in your windows cup. This happens to just about everyone, and if it hasn't occurred to you consider yourself fortunate.
    What you're probably concerned about right off the bat - and with excellent cause - is the break distributing. Often bull’s-eye harm can start to "spider" across relax of the cup making your windows risky and preventing to the motorist's perspective. This can be due to excessive changes in heat range - such as washing your car with freezing water on a hot summer time day - or by pressure and time.
    Repairing your windows with a DIY kit or providing your car to a store or personal who does cup fix can preserve you 100's of money. Avoiding the break from distributing can mean you don't ever have to substitute the windows because of that bull’s eye. You should deal with the harm as soon as possible to avoid distributing.
    Yep.. that's real. That's too terrible to even be from spun content.

    I really wish people understood that you get what you pay for. Are there crap writers charging $5 per 100 words? I'm sure there are bound to be some out there.

    It was quoted here before, but it's far better to pay $20 for one quality article than to pay $20 for 5 articles. I've been at that $1 rate and I've hired the $1 people.

    The average person I've found takes an hour to write a 500 word article (including research). If you're paying $1 per 100 words, then that's $5 an hour. A lot of people also have 9-5 jobs and sleep for 8 hours so there's another 16 hours gone. The maximum earning potential if they didn't eat or do anything else for a lot of people would be $40 a day.

    It's not exactly easy to be motivated enough to write compelling and quality content for $5 an hour

    Plus, you have people who have some of the most ridiculous requirements I've ever seen. I met someone who was paying $1 per 100 words but wanted keyword research, random keywords had to be Bolded/Underlined/Italicized, there were 5 LSI Keywords that had to be included in everyone, the main keyword had to be exactly 3%, all the LSI Keywords has to be 2% and he wanted sub-headers using the keywords as well.

    There were a few more requirements but I promptly said hell no to that one. How is anyone supposed to see all that and be motivated enough to write compelling content that'll keep people coming back to your site?

    If you REALLY want quality content and want to know where to go to hire writers, I would start looking in the Warriors For Hire section and post a thread there. If $1 per 100 words is the only thing you can afford (which is the common rate most clients are willing to pay) or you think places like IWriter/Textbroker are too "pricey", I would say write them yourself.

    Brad Callen provides excellent support but IWriter is referred to as the McDonalds of Making Money Online. You start out at around .50c per 100 words I believe until you hit 30 articles and 4.2 stars. Then you make just a tad more than $1 per 100 words on some until you hit 4.6 stars.

    TLR (Too Long Didn't Read)
    I would suggest writing them yourself and avoiding the headache of cheap writers if you don't have a budget for writing to be done.

    just give some try to freelancer at odesk, I had hired some freelancers thee for my blog posts they work good(check reviews before hiring)
    Oh god no.. stay FAR FAR FAR away from Odesk.

    Take a look at that beautiful article I quoted above. That was an Odesk contractor. The rest of them weren't far off.
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  • Profile picture of the author OmarNegron
    Hey!

    Most writers with skills can write an article that will not be harm by Google. But remember they follow YOUR instructions so it is really up to you to direct them in the right way.

    For example the recent Google update may have been solely focused on over optimizing for your chosen keyword and of course it made it more obvious to them because many people had the exact keyword they were going for in their domain name A.K.A an EMD.

    So for the future we all need to start aiming for a natural looking article forget the keyword maybe just mention it once but do not get too technical about the onpage SEO. Remember "NORMAL PEOPLE" do not do SEO on their sites they simply write about a topic and they rank for keywords related to their topic.

    So it will be best to focus on a natural article and develop some great backlinking strategies to go along with it.

    Try it out next time you get some articles!
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  • Profile picture of the author Mac Wheeler
    I wonder how many Internet Marketers are aware that Google now employs a team of people to manually read page content, and the rate the quality? If the quality is bad, the site takes a SERP hit.

    Don't take my word for it, read what Google sends to members of this team to introduce the idea:

    “You have probably noticed that webpages vary in quality. There are high quality pages: pages that are well written, trustworthy, organized, entertaining, enjoyable, beautiful, compelling, etc. You have probably also found pages that seem poorly written, unreliable, poorly organized, unhelpful, shallow, or even deceptive or malicious. We would like to capture these observations in Page Quality rating.”

    I actually blogged about this a week or so ago if you want to know more:

    Google is Judging the Quality of Website Content

    So be careful of buying junk content in the future, you are only throwing cash away.
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  • Profile picture of the author tonyt3000
    Outsource from a site called Iwriter iWriter : Article Writing Service | Get Content For Your Website, Cheap! make a account and post your article request really simple article you can get one for $4
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  • Profile picture of the author discrat
    Originally Posted by distrakt View Post

    I'm not a great writer and I was wondering if anyone had any great experience in outsourcing high quality (useful) content writers, at least the ones that can passed Google latest updates. I tried iWriter, textbrooker, some of the Warriors for hire and so far I like textbrooker but it gets pricy. Any suggestions?

    Thanks
    You are not a half bad writer just reading your Post. Now if you have a lot on your load then you have to outsource. I do a lot, but also write a lot of my own Articles and blog posts.

    Try this : Take a story about yourself or something you had to go through lately; like you are talking to a friend about something. Now put it on paper. Relate it to your blog or Product. This engages your readers and prompts them to sign up for your optin to get more of your rant and possibly get some sales.

    Do not try to get pass Google updates. It is clear as day the only way to get pass Google updates is to provide what they want, which is high quality content for their users !!

    And that is not going to change for awhile !
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  • Profile picture of the author mikeac
    My advice for you is to check out odesk.com. You can find plenty of writers there for a good price, but make sure whomever you hire is American or Filipino. Filipinos speak and write good english and you wont have a problem.
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  • If you're willing to invest for good quality, why not get a full time VA instead? I suggest getting a VA whose primary job would be to write content for you and you can have that person do other tasks to fill in the time. That way, it'll be like getting good content at a wholesale price. It's cheaper in the long run and you'll get more done. The trick now would be knowing where to find good VAs who can write...
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  • Profile picture of the author Adie
    at least the ones that can passed Google latest updates.
    First time I hear this. There are a lot of things that help your site rank in Google, not just the content. A poor content can still rank if the topic is extremely unique.
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    • Profile picture of the author Joseph Robinson
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      Originally Posted by Adie View Post

      A poor content can still rank if the topic is extremely unique.
      A lot of people hit by the EMD update would beg to differ :rolleyes:.
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      • Profile picture of the author Adie
        Originally Posted by Joseph Robinson View Post

        A lot of people hit by the EMD update would beg to differ :rolleyes:.
        I have lots of sites that were hit by EMD too and they have unique content as well... I created 1 new site right after the EMD update (not emd though) and within a week wit is ranking pretty well.
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        • Profile picture of the author Joseph Robinson
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          Originally Posted by Adie View Post

          I have lots of sites that were hit by EMD too and they have unique content as well... I created 1 new site right after the EMD update (not emd though) and within a week wit is ranking pretty well.
          You're free to disagree. Your service depends on you advocating your side . Not going to split hairs over it, just pointing out that evidence would point to the contrary.

          Originally Posted by Mac Wheeler View Post

          People are just in denial Joseph. This has been on the cards for years, nobody should be surprised it happened.
          Definitely Mac.
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      • Profile picture of the author Mac Wheeler
        Originally Posted by Joseph Robinson View Post

        A lot of people hit by the EMD update would beg to differ :rolleyes:.
        People are just in denial Joseph. This has been on the cards for years, nobody should be surprised it happened.
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        • Profile picture of the author MissTerraK
          Originally Posted by Mac Wheeler View Post

          People are just in denial Joseph. This has been on the cards for years, nobody should be surprised it happened.
          I agree Mac.

          It should have been widely known. For example, before I even became involved in IM, as a consumer, I learned to start my searches on page three of Google as that is where I found the pertinent information that I was seeking. The same held true after I became involved in IM. The difference was at least I understood how those ridiculous results appeared in the first couple of pages.

          I never wanted to replicate those techniques though, as I didn't want people to find my sites on page 1 and become angry with it or roll their eyes at it because it wasn't what they were searching for, not to mention the bounce rate they would get.

          Over and beyond that, in the very recent past, there have been television commercials where random people were asked to do a blind search for something and Google and Bing results showed up side by side, again blindly. Most of the people chose the preferred search results coming from Bing.

          Google is a business after all and satisfaction of their users is paramount. Therefore, common sense only dictated that changes making a better end user result were just around the corner.

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  • Profile picture of the author KriiV
    I'd keep my eye on 5starwriters.com

    They are going to be releasing a site just like iWriter.
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  • Profile picture of the author Brad Berry
    Please don't say that there is no gem in one certain place. You are the one that too lazy to find and too easy to just spend some big bucks in elite place. Well, I hope you get what you deserve, effort will never betray you.
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  • Profile picture of the author OutsourceFactor
    Originally Posted by distrakt View Post

    I'm not a great writer and I was wondering if anyone had any great experience in outsourcing high quality (useful) content writers, at least the ones that can passed Google latest updates. I tried iWriter, textbrooker, some of the Warriors for hire and so far I like textbrooker but it gets pricy. Any suggestions?

    Thanks
    I 100% agree with people saying that you get what you paid for.

    Even if you find a really great writer, let's say form the Philippines (just an example), the most likely scenario is for that writer to ask for a raise after they've worked for you for a period of time. Well, writers who know the value of their writing at least.

    My advice is to go for it and pay whatever is needed...it's an investment

    Mea @ OutsourceFactor
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