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  • Profile picture of the author DonDavis
    Happens all the time. Doesn't make it a scam does it?
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  • Profile picture of the author sachibhat
    Anyways nice research

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  • Profile picture of the author Derek S
    You can find that dudes mug on so many sites out there. Some sites will even go so far as having the "live face on web" actor say he is the founder of their business.

    After all do you really think George Foreman invented his grill?

    No way its just marketing.
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    • Profile picture of the author VegasVince
      Hmmmm? I'm pretty sure that dude moonlights on a couple of porn sites too.

      Anyway....

      I'd do a split test.

      Put the dude in the ugly suit up against the "chick in the bikini" and see who sells more Forex Pips.



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      • Profile picture of the author mmurtha
        Hey Vince,

        Originally Posted by VegasVince View Post

        Hmmmm? I'm pretty sure that dude moonlights on a couple of porn sites too.

        xxx Vegas Vince
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        And how would you know? Lol so that's where you've been hiding ... err ... I mean hangin out? :p
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      • Profile picture of the author highhopes
        Originally Posted by VegasVince View Post

        Hmmmm? I'm pretty sure that dude moonlights on a couple of porn sites too.

        Anyway....

        I'd do a split test.

        Put the dude in the ugly suit up against the "chick in the bikini" and see who sells more Forex Pips.



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        How would you know that? Uhmmm!
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  • Profile picture of the author Logan_5
    He is just as much a product as the generic photo of the happy couple in front of their computer. Even products need products to help them sell themselves.
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  • Profile picture of the author artwebster
    OK - so which is the scam? The Google ad or the FAP forex robot?

    I can understand painting with a wide brush to slap as much paint up as possible in the shortest possible time but I hardly think you can justify your subject line simply because the same actor does the naration.

    Does anybody complain when personalities like Oprah promote stuff?

    Presumably you expect everybody with a sales page to write their own copy? We all know that they don't - even when the copy is in the first person.
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  • Profile picture of the author howudoin
    The same guy in Two different ads and it makes both a scam?....Hard to swallow.[]
    As somebody said earlier, even products needs more products to sell themselves... I forgot the tag line but I guess it goes like "Building Rapo with your prospect" in most of the copywriting Books

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  • Profile picture of the author BizBoost
    There was a day when a ring around your collar meant you were a hard-working, dude who spent many hours working to bring home the bacon in order to support your family and put a roof over their head.

    Until the makers of WHISK laundry detergent got people to believe that a ring around the collar was something about which to be embarrassed.

    And, until internet marketers got people to believe that they should be able to fire their bosses and work from home in their underwear...

    If you want to find scams, you don't have to go so far as to suggest two sites who use the same voice-over actor might be one... you only need to look amongst your fellow marketers who are packed in here along with you just like sardines.

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  • Profile picture of the author Dan Grossman
    I never knew every commercial on TV was a scam. Thank you for enlightening me.
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    • Profile picture of the author BizBoost
      Originally Posted by Dan Grossman View Post

      I never knew every commercial on TV was a scam. Thank you for enlightening me.
      Hold on, compadre, you're not enlightened yet...

      Every commercial on TV is worse than a scam. You probably think of scams in their most strict interpretation:

      A fraudulent business scheme; a swindle.

      Does the fact that ads are allowed on TV guarantee they are not a swindle? When billions of dollars are spent each year so that large corporations can study your every move so they can know how you think and what motivates you, does that bother you?

      I suspect you'd say that it merely helps them to better serve up the kinds of things that you would want and need. But, in truth, it allows them to invade as many possible areas of your life with temptations and inducements to think you need things you never even wanted before they'd spent billions of dollars to convince you, and millions of others, otherwise...

      Here, when the toxic residue of your sarcasm subsides, have yourself a look. This guy is no slouch - he was a big player in the industry:


      Eric
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      • Profile picture of the author Dan Grossman
        Originally Posted by BizBoost View Post

        But, in truth, it allows them to invade as many possible areas of your life with temptations and inducements to think you need things you never even wanted before they'd spent billions of dollars to convince you, and millions of others, otherwise...
        And this is good, as it gives people a reason to work beyond food and shelter. To buy things they don't actually need to live, but want because someone convinced them to want one. That gives a business creating those things a reason to exist, and employ more people, giving them food. And when they earn more than it costs to eat and shelter their families, they too can buy unnecessary things, providing purpose to another business existing, and employing more people...

        It is the continual creation of new "things" to buy and the associated marketing to convince us to do so that keeps the world turning, keeps people employed, keeps people that don't grow their own crops fed, keeps new technology advancing, etc.

        You can always live off the land, grow your own food, raise your own animals, make your own clothes... if you don't want to be a part of all the dirty corporate marketing that keeps the rest of us living our happy modern lives.
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  • Profile picture of the author jasdon
    Actor Shmactor - anyone who thinks there is a robot for making winning trades in the fx market, needs their head testing! If someone developed such a system, they'd be a multi-billionaire - not trying to sell their system to any Tom, Dick or Harry for a handful of $s.

    On that basis, I agree with the op - SCAM - RUN AWAY, FAST!!!
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  • Profile picture of the author valerieSONORA
    You mean George Foreman didn't invent the George Foreman grill???? Oh I feel so deceived.
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  • Profile picture of the author lacraiger
    hello? all internet marketing products are scams...
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    • Profile picture of the author Dan Grossman
      Originally Posted by lacraiger View Post

      hello? all internet marketing products are scams...
      You've spent too much time on the Warrior Forum. There are real marketing products real businesses use, but you don't find them here for a reason. They market to actual customers, not to other "internet marketers". :rolleyes:
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      • Profile picture of the author BizBoost
        Originally Posted by Dan Grossman View Post

        And this is good, as it gives people a reason to work beyond food and shelter. To buy things they don't actually need to live, but want because someone convinced them to want one. That gives a business creating those things a reason to exist, and employ more people, giving them food. And when they earn more than it costs to eat and shelter their families, they too can buy unnecessary things, providing purpose to another business existing, and employing more people...

        It is the continual creation of new "things" to buy and the associated marketing to convince us to do so that keeps the world turning, keeps people employed, keeps people that don't grow their own crops fed, keeps new technology advancing, etc.

        You can always live off the land, grow your own food, raise your own animals, make your own clothes... if you don't want to be a part of all the dirty corporate marketing that keeps the rest of us living our happy modern lives.
        So, you advocate a society built on people convincing people they need things they don't need, then creating corporations to convince more people they need to convince more people to keep the good ol country growing or else we'd all still be in caves, and maybe huts, if we're so lucky.

        I think all this hype marketing has caused you to forget that there are actual products that people don't need to be convinced they need... like a tractor that does the work of 100 oxen. Or a screw, or a bolt that is needed to fix the tractor. Or motor oil that is needed to keep the tractor running.

        And it's within reason for each of those product's creators to compete with facts as to why their product is better suited to the task than someone else's.

        But that is quite different than when some entity purposely tries to manipulate your psyche and distort your self-image in order to get you hooked on products and services for which you have absolutely no need, or previous desire.

        You've just gotten so used to being abused by it that you think it's normal and, even worse, you think it's the same as the kind of capitalism and marketing that made this country stronger and greater.

        It's not, and it's not.

        Originally Posted by Dan Grossman View Post

        You've spent too much time on the Warrior Forum. There are real marketing products real businesses use, but you don't find them here for a reason. They market to actual customers, not to other "internet marketers". :rolleyes:
        It's odd that you would suggest internet marketers are not customers. The gentleman had a valid point... he said all internet marketing products are a scam. While that is, obviously, exaggerated, his point is that the majority of internet marketing products are accompanied by a sales page that is written by someone who is paid 1000s of dollars to stop as many people as possible dead in their tracks and make them believe that in order to be rich and successful, they must stop everything they are doing and purchase now.

        There's virtually no way to generate that kind of force and excitement by telling the simple truth. That's a fact, that's what happening, and internet marketers ARE real customers... many of them are just extremely vulnerable.

        Best wishes,
        Eric
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        • Profile picture of the author Raydal
          Originally Posted by BizBoost View Post


          It's odd that you would suggest internet marketers are not customers. The gentleman had a valid point... he said all internet marketing products are a scam. While that is, obviously, exaggerated, his point is that the majority of internet marketing products are accompanied by a sales page that is written by someone who is paid 1000s of dollars to stop as many people as possible dead in their tracks and make them believe that in order to be rich and successful, they must stop everything they are doing and purchase now.

          There's virtually no way to generate that kind of force and excitement by telling the simple truth. That's a fact, that's what happening, and internet marketers ARE real customers... many of them are just extremely vulnerable.

          Best wishes,
          Eric
          Hey Eric,

          Can I borrow those 2 paragraphs. This is one of the most brilliant pieces
          of copywriting and persuasion I've seen in the WF in a long time!

          The essence of this all is that you are telling the consumer: "It's not
          your fault"
          "You bought all these products that you have done nothing
          with because behind the sales letter was a highly paid copywriter."

          'And these letters are so persuasive that you just had to buy. So it's
          really not your fault ... it's those highly paid copywriters fault!'

          This is a BRILLIANT piece of copywriting my friend.

          So can I swipe it?

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        • Profile picture of the author Ram
          Originally Posted by BizBoost View Post

          So, you advocate a society built on people convincing people they need things they don't need, then creating corporations to convince more people they need to convince more people to keep the good ol country growing or else we'd all still be in caves, and maybe huts, if we're so lucky.

          I think all this hype marketing has caused you to forget that there are actual products that people don't need to be convinced they need... like a tractor that does the work of 100 oxen. Or a screw, or a bolt that is needed to fix the tractor. Or motor oil that is needed to keep the tractor running.

          And it's within reason for each of those product's creators to compete with facts as to why their product is better suited to the task than someone else's.

          But that is quite different than when some entity purposely tries to manipulate your psyche and distort your self-image in order to get you hooked on products and services for which you have absolutely no need, or previous desire.

          You've just gotten so used to being abused by it that you think it's normal and, even worse, you think it's the same as the kind of capitalism and marketing that made this country stronger and greater.

          It's not, and it's not.
          Marketing in the past was ... a lot like marketing today.

          Advertising was just as hype-filled -- even more so since regulation did not really exist -- in the "good old days."

          Not only for things like patent medicines and quacky health devices, but for books and films, all sorts of labor saving devices, luxury items an even staples like food, clothing and, yes, tractors. Go back in your local library archives and take a look.

          And though not directed at me, I'll happily answer your question. Yes, I am more than happy to advocate a society where marketers can do their damndest - within the current laws - to try and convince people to buy what they don't need.

          Ram
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    • Profile picture of the author Ken Leatherman
      Originally Posted by lacraiger View Post

      hello? all internet marketing products are scams...
      Wow! What a wide swath you paint with your brush. That being so, then all the links you have in your own signature are scams and we should avoid them at all cost. If you're being sarcastic then I'll ask for forgiveness, but if you really believe what you said, just want you to know I take exception to it, as I'm sure others do.

      As an Internet Marketer, I work really hard to provide a valuable and legitimate service to my customers. And the fact is I know many other IM'ers that do the best they can to provide a legitimate product. and one of the best examples I can provide you, is the Warrior Forum itself.

      Now as far as the OP goes, I think a wide paint brush was used there also. My question to you George is; Have you used either of the products and given them a legitimate opportunity to prove the effectiveness or non effectiveness of the products?

      I know I haven't, but George you brought this IM'ers product up as being a possible scam or at least put it into question, on this forum. Have you even thought of the possible damage you can bring to this fellow's products and to his personal reputation?

      Over this last week to 10 days, a prominent fellow Warrior was personally attacked on another forum and accused of scamming other people. The stress and anguish this person suffered from this personal attack was immeasurable. Those who knew this Warrior, knew the attack was lies. But a great many people believe what they read on the Internet as gospel and others believe where there is smoke there is fire.

      My point being perhaps you could have presented your OP without trying to build a fire or at least causing smoke about this persons product. Just my opinion, George

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  • Profile picture of the author BrainDance
    from eric
    "There's virtually no way to generate that kind of force and excitement by telling the simple truth. That's a fact, that's what happening, and internet marketers ARE real customers... many of them are just extremely vulnerable."

    what a sad statement, not denying its truth. just sad.
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  • Profile picture of the author kswr123
    Look, we are all jumping to conlcusions here. Isn't it WAY more likely that he got a name change lol?

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  • Profile picture of the author Sylvia Meier
    Eric,
    Very valid point, and honestly whether we like it or not, a very honest truth too. And it's true...the copy sells the product or the well written, highly paid for lie sells it, and whose to blame when people buy it because all they are really buying is the lie...they are falling prey to the power of persuasion.

    Mmurtha,
    We were hiding out in Florida for a while LOL...now were are working on our next big project...gotta do something to support my 27 children LMAO.

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  • Profile picture of the author iplusgold
    I have seen that guys picture on a whole bunch of sites not just the above 2...so it makes me wonder if its just a stock photo or the like. Either way it doesnt really make it a scam but still a little shady IMHO
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  • Profile picture of the author GeorgR.
    i agree, i acted too quick.

    Dont get me wrong...i do not state/say that ANY of those products is a scam. In fact, we dont know!!

    its not my intention to discredit any of those products.

    I came across this yesterday since i wanted to re-try promoting fapturbo (after i read on another forum how someone made GOOD money selling this).

    So i went on the fapturbo site...and by coincedence i was on another site before where i same the same person featured on a site.

    To make it clear:

    I dont say any of those products is a scam

    Those methods are widely used. Its called MARKETING. Even myself i use "fake" persona on some of my sites, i am not free of "guilt" myself since i use the same methods of marketing.

    If you watch your avg. commercial with celebrities promoting whatever product, its the same principle: People PAY (ang get PAID *good* money) to promote a product. Product placement in movies....similar principle...

    I do not make a statement about any product!
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    • Profile picture of the author AffiliateMax
      Well the first one 'earncashfastwithgoogle' when you read the small print, has not 1 but 3 monthly recurring charge continuity programs after the 'free trial' - if you order the google cash 'product' you have no way to opt out of the other 2!

      Lots of complaints about people finding it hard to cancel and avoid the monthly charges too:
      EarnCashFastWithGoogle Complaints

      Not just for this but also similar sounding products:
      google cash | ComplaintsBoard.com

      Personally I would not touch either of them with a bargepole - either as a buyer or as an affiliate.
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  • Profile picture of the author nickj224
    Dude you have the eye of a rabid hawk! (that's good)
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