Why is IM dominated by mostly men...?

Agree with PC. I think us fellas generally have more of the genetic hard wiring that makes us more predisposed to be attracted to all things money.

It might be dominated by men, but I see quite a few female guru's/popular marketers, I think it's great

PC...You've got a hit on you already..lol

It's because men are much more willing to completely over exagerate which is what all the gurus have to do to convince people to spend a lot of money on information that you can normally find elsewhere for free.

Andy

Women have been "working from home" a lot longer than men, so maybe the trend for them right now is to make more gains in the boardrooms of corporations around the world.

Shane_K

To be totally forthright, some of the responses have hit upon it already,

but to really drive it home, I'd have to borrow a leaf from a great man who has

influenced many and my life profoundly, the reverend Pastor Paul Gilbreath.

One time he was explaining about what it truly means to be "More than Conquerors"

in layman terms by telling the story of the prize fighting champion who

stepped in the ring and whipped the snot out of his opponent.

He was awarded what's called "the money purse".

He would be called a "Conqueror".

Later at home, he handed over the money purse to his wife.

She is called "More than a Conqueror".

Who are these "mostly men" supposedly dominating IM?

And what are the remaining parts of these beings made of - Hamsters? Wombats? Robots? :confused:



Frank

Most women are smart enough not to dive into something that is going to take so darned much work and frustration, LOL. And yes....I do realize I just called myself an idiot.

This subject seems to have already been discussed at great length recently:

warriorforum DOT com/main-internet-marketing-discussion-forum/41531-where-women-gurus.html

I totally agree with Lewis - I'd be willing to bet that there are a ton of women working silently in the background (and maybe not even in the background) and raking in more than most here. They just don't have the ego, and therefore don't find it necessary to call themselves "guru". Which very well could be an advantage for them.

Because female marketer don't require the same attention in business. Even though I do believe that there are more monetarily successful males in IM--I don't think that the gap is that wide.

There are female marketers that will beat the pants off of many male marketers.

Because women are smart enough to marry successful marketers and get paid without having to work at all.

Such an array of viewpoints...some actually made me think a lil bit...good stuff!

don't think women don't compete! they can be more competitive than us males

Is the disparity any different to that in many (if not most) other businesses?

Not sure of the answers, but it may be to do with how men and women are raised.

When I look at the men and women I know who have become successful entrepreneurs or business people, they tend to come from backgrounds where they were encouraged - or forced - to pursue their dreams. They don't have the same limiting beliefs about what they're supposed to do in life that most people are probably raised to have.

It may be that more women than men are raised - even subtly - with limiting beliefs and that this crosses over into the number of women versus men who become entrepreneurs. I think this will change over time as, gradually, more women become more prominent in business circles.

Sonni & Anna....I'm feeling your post...both make sense...a lot!

Men tend to be louder. If being louder is what you describe as "dominating", well ...

Verifiable results is what I care about, not bluster.

Possibly because men are more attracted to IM because they want the "work in your underwear" lifestyle and make lots of money.(Women do not need to get into IM to live that dream). :-)

There are a lot of successful high-earners women in the IM but they don't go around telling everyone how much they make. For men I think it's about ego and
competitiveness. For women it's more about the bottom line rather than recognition

So, could it be because we(men) have an ego...? from what I'm reading in a lot of the post here.

What do you mean "dominate"?

Do you have any idea how many markets are out there and products in different niches than the IM one created by woman?

Hey Kevin,

I just have one question for you. Who says IM is dominated by mostly men lol?

It really depends on how people define dominant - being louder about accomplishments or having the need to be seen more in the public arena doesn't neccessarily mean dominance to me.

Women just simply do things differently then men do, like work quietly and rake in the money honey. :p


Mary

Because the ladies are too busy spending all the hunter/gatherers gold coins...just kidding ladywarriors

PC has a good point. I will take a shot at the however.

I am trying a niche that is geared toward woman. Let me tell ya this... I simply have a rough time writing copy for this niche because I don't think like a female. Men in this business are not passive, we seem to be bold and use phases like Dominate, Power, Explode... you get the idea. This does not interest most females (from what I have seen and I am not trying to step on any toes).

I am sure there are female "Guru's" but we are not going to pay attention because the style writing and ad copy is like day and night.

Just my thoughts
Fran

It is because all the "Gurus" belong to an elite mastermind group called the He Man Women Haters Club.

I think now that you know that it becomes painfully obvious.

I tink it be coz men is more intelligenter

Shannon, you're out of the club. Turn in your decoder ring and plastic whistle.

My wife can kick some IM gurus butts and shes a ladie. In fact, ladies have a special ability to be more "cold" while doing business..

Uh, because it gives men something to do while surfing for porn? According to informed sources, those downloads take time, even with a fast connection...

If it makes sense to making more money - then us 'women' do step up to the plate and become a guru...the little known secret sometimes is this...

1. You become so busy traveling city to city you no longer make the $$$ in your own business because you are so busy now speaking...which isn't too much of a problem as one can put in systems to run the biz...

It only becomes a problem when 2. below happens..

2. ...once you become a guru...sometimes you become the hooker to the pimp - the pimps being the players putting on the seminars, filling the seats, controlling the CASH - payment methods...nothing is worse than presenting - closing a good percentage of the room...delivering your product and the value...then have to 'chase' the seminar pimps to get your money....

Now that is one cold hard scenario that then makes one think...

Nice to stay in my comfy pink slippers and make money when I want, how I want, control the cash...and then travel when I want, how I want!

Oh...and also - maybe some females are using a male pen name for their products....

Some things are part of our culture and contribute to the myths that motivate buyers. Doesn't mean they're right, doesn't mean they're wrong . . . but these myths exist and, like it or not, gender bias is alive and thriving in our world.

Women have used male pen-names for centuries because women often do not have the luxury of being recognized as "experts" no matter what credentials they hold. We live in a male-dominated world - it's just the way it is.

And, because of this, the good ol' boys network is still very strong in the business world - not just the IM world. A woman needs to work much harder to prove she knows what she's talking about than a man does. Most men don't see women as being credible because women think differently than the men they are accustomed to doing business with. And women don't see women as being credible, because women don't generally have the power and prestige men have.

Another drawback for women is that, because we're women, we don't have access to the same networks a man has for building a business, and quite often a woman doesn't have mentors around her to help her see things from a business perspective - unless she's the girlfriend, mother, grandmother of someone who's taken her under their wing.

This doesn't mean women aren't smart enough, or don't have the ability to succeed in business - quite the contrary. It's just that women don't always recognize that the skills they've developed while running the "business" of managing a household are beneficial in the business world - things like time management skills, communication skills, budgeting skills, resourcefulness, persistence, the ability to motivate others, the ability to take action, meet deadlines and multi-task to accomplish goals - these are all assets to women, but women don't always see these as marketable strengths. Hopefully, all of this is changing, but it's where we're at right now.

Bottom line is that most men prefer to network with men they can bond with over drinks, while playing a round of golf, etc. And they're not receptive to a woman joining their "party" because a woman changes the dynamics of the interaction. So, less JV's are formed between men + women = less chance of a woman's business growing as quickly as a man's business. And . . .

Since there are less women in the marketplace, and most women are still relatively new to the entrepreneurial world, less-successful women often see a strong, successful woman as an adversary . . . I don't know why this is, but I know I've experienced the "stabs in the back" often while I was working in another male-dominated field . . . so, as a result, there's not so much joint venture activity going on between women to help advance both of their businesses! Consequently, we have a lesser number of highly successful women in the marketplace. Sad, but true . . .

The differents women know and learn what to do, Men learn and tell everyone what they are doing. It's all about action woman in IM marketing are to busy marketing...
This just what I have seen

Maria and Jennifer,

Wonder how many guys on social media sites use female pen names and use avatars of beautiful women to get traffic.

Matt

The same reason there are more male serial killers than females. Men will 'kill' both figuratively and literally and not care about their 'fellow man.'

And as I type this I'm listening to George Carlin and he summed up perfectly: Everything that is wrong with the world always seems to be started by men who are ignorant, greedy, and insecure.

Carlin is phenomenal.

Well, whatever the reasons... I bet men AND women entrepreneurs have more in common than those who are not entrepreneurs. A much more interesting distinction IMHO

simply put, men are smarter than women.

please dont think im a sexist or something..i love women , they complete men.. i could have never done a single good thing in my life if it wasnt for my mom.. but the fact is, males are more capable than women in certain aspects....

The only problem with threads like this is that it brings out the loonies (well, amudara does give Room #12 of the Lunatic Asylum as his location...)

In addition to what has already been said, there's probably some connection in there with the technology gap between sexes - there are fewer women who work in IT than men, for example.

Oh an btw.

I'd rather receive financial and money advice from a man. It's just me or friggin physiology.

On the other side I'd 'rather' receive advice from woman if I was interested in weight loss or gardening stuff

This is only my opinion:

Men are more likely to hold on to a vision..or dream. Most guys that are the hard hitters in IM are guys that kept banging away at it when they were making nothing. When the bills were barely getting paid or coming up just a little short, they were still plugging away at their IM sites. When all their friends were calling them dreamers, or stupid or just couldnt grasp what the guy was doing to create money, they were still banging away at their chosen craft. They were the people that got excited when they made 10 bucks for the day, because they envisioned a bigger picture.

Women on the other hand, dont care about what 'might' happen when it comes to money. Either the baby has diapers and there is food in the fridge or not. When there is nothing but ramen noodle in the cupboard and icewater in the fridge women dont get excited about a 10% jump in clickthrough rate because clickthrough rates dont pay the mortgage.

Probably cos men have to earn to keep the woman? The woman who earn often turn out like men? and we don't like them! Who knows?

We have a ton of female customers alongside our male customers, and one of the biggest contrasts is that women are more likely to want to sell a physical product that they've created or are passionate about, and men are more often trying to sell their knowledge or service -- "themselves", as it were.

These women are just as good (or better) at all the elements of Internet marketing, but they're using it in different ways to connect with their customers then the men might be.

It's the difference between "serving the customer" as the center of your pitch, and "making your expertise benefit the customer" as the center of your pitch.

An interesting side note: in terms of IM strategy, women have a more natural proclivity towards social media activities and connecting in that way, while men tend to prefer the semi-one-sided activities like copywriting.

Men are more aggressive about JV activities, but women are better at developing additional streams of income from their current offerings.

Just some observations from our customer base, and our work doing site makeovers and education with clients.

In deed, the women who posted in this thread really put it down kick butt style...Let's me know that what I thought I knew might be wrong....Kudos once again!

cosmokid, please let me know if your research on this matter has concluded..thank you

Yup. Tis better to operate under the radar unless it's a niche like knitting or hair removal.
For women, security is always an issue and if we remain anonymous we can kick ass like any man does and not get labeled a cold hearted bitch. Win win for us!

Sure it may be dominated by men but look at people like Alexandria Brown who does an outstanding job in internet marketing. Also there are numerous success stories of successful women internet marketers in niches outside of internet marketing. I think the larger issue is whether women can bridge the gap (specifically within the internet marketing niche) and sell their knowledge and ideas to men. I don't know of a real success story in that regard.

have to agree that men are normally attracted by money more than women

Risk tolerance.

Men simply take bigger financial risks than women. There may be more successes as a result, but there are also more failures. The bell curve is flatter.

Ask yourself "Why do men dominate the offline business world" and you will have the same answer.

And the gender war begins.

I really have heard many say they are. Just don't want to name them here, even though they talk about what losers they used to be.

Actually my MOM got me into it lol.

As a freelancer doing a lot of work for IMers, who don't ever bother giving me a pen name, I thought I'd do a quick count up of male and female clients. The tally is 75% men and 25% women. I'd hazard a guess that's a fairly representative cross section.

I think it really does just come down to what you're interested in. As a general tendency, men are more interested in this kind of thing than women. The same goes with computers and general techy stuff. I'm personally very interested in computers and techy stuff, always have been, but most other women I meet aren't. At the same time though, I'm far more technically proficient than almost every man I meet.

What I'm getting at is that what you are interested in often determines how much time you put into something, which in turn often determines how proficient you are in that area.

To the guy using a stock photo of a male model as his avatar (this guy), making the sweeping statement that men are more intelligent than women as a rule, is an extremely inaccurate thing to suggest. I would happily take on any kind of IQ test and expect to place myself in the top 2% - 10% of all human beings in any kind of measurement of mental prowess.

The number of women in IM is predominantly a measure of the number of women that WANT to be in IM. When you look at things honestly, it's actually much easier for women to move into areas that have a majority of men within them, than it is the other way around. For example, how much stick do male nurses or male hairdressers have to put up with?

Yes, we all have aptitudes, but ultimately we all make the choice of where we want to apply our skills and talents. I don't believe there are any huge barriers for women entering IM. I do believe that the difference in numbers comes down to a simple matter of what people have chosen to do with their lives.

I agree with most of what you saying Kezz. If you take computers as a whole, women are not as interested with the technical and business aspects. I think the way we are raised and brought up has a lot to do with it also. The barriers are not huge like mentioned and nobody has to even know that you are a women. That's what separates the online world from offline. If I think about my family, friends, and acquaintances I do not personally know anyone male or female that is even involved in IM.

It is interesting.

I'm a multi-level marketer or network marketer as well an IMer, but I have noticed this very large dichotomy in my industry.

In network marketing the most successful people more often than not are women. Despite what they say about MLM, there are many components where good salesmanship helps a lot to grow the business. Women are naturally good salespeople, they're often warm, understanding and very sympathetic to peoples situations.

In the online world it is much different. Unsure of why. A quick stab though I'd say is that most men are more adventurous than women in many ways. IMing is a pretty adventurous profession and opens up the doors to some amazing lifestyles even if you are making a moderate living of 50-60g a year doing it.

You're still able to go anywhere and do anything you want.

To the top,
-Gregory

I realy have no clue why is that so, but
there are plenty of women out there doing
wonders online.

Igor

Because most of the women are busy taking care of the children.Lol

Testosterone. We men want to make a lot of money to attract females. Females don't need to do much to attract males, they just need to be... females. Competition among males for sex is much higher.

Women tend to be more careful too. You won't find many women making millions from Internet Marketing but there are many who quietly are making a confortable living, growing their business one client at a time.

Tyrus

The learning curve for IM is quite steep and females aren't into technical things. Which is why the industry doesn't appeal to many females. I think the concept is the same as to why some industries like engineering, construction, IT etc. are dominated by males.

But i guess, females who are in the IM industry, would probably be darn gd at what they do in order to survive in a highly competitive, male-dominated circle, don't you think?