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How choose and promote product at affiliate programmes?

by Ramesh8248
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Hi friends,
I have some questions related to affiliate marketing, can you please help me in that.

Mostly we choose product which have low competition and good commission. But how you promote these products without testing them yourself. Means how you write any post or article on it when it just come in market. Which keyword you use and focus to get sell.

e.g. let product 'A' is just launch,
Then in which keyword you focus? 'A' review or it's niche keywords?
How you create articles on it which are unique?
What is the first way which you use to promote your affiliate link.
its PPC program or blogging or Email list?
If it's blogging or Adwords then which type of keywords you will use?


I just confuse with these question:confused:
I want to hear from experienced Internet Marketer.
Please Help Me...
#affiliate #choose #product #programmes #promote
  • Profile picture of the author TheArticlePros
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    • Profile picture of the author Ramesh8248
      Thanks for this helpful information.
      I got my mistake

      Originally Posted by JaRyCu View Post

      That's because you've never used the search button here at the Warrior Forum to find out you're doing it wrong. Low competition = nobody wants to sell it. If no one wants to sell it, it's because no one made any money when they tried. Why would you want to promote something that you can't make money promoting?



      By reading other reviews, the product's official website, etc. It's fairly cut and dry. I'm also a writer, so I can glean the information I need off of those reviews, compare it to products I do have first-hand experience with, and write up a review that would convince you to buy it or leave it alone, depending on my mood and the slant of my site.

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    • Profile picture of the author Tkyles1009
      I agree with JaRyCu, I would not want to push a product that noone else is selling. The only time low competition is good is when you're writing an article on the product.
      That's when you want a low competition and large local searches.

      All The Best
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  • Profile picture of the author Mr. Ken Russell
    Product selection is one of the most important decisions to need to make if you want to run a profitable campaign. The problem is these days, just because you see a product with high gravity (ClickBank) or if it's just popular doesn't mean you'll make more money from it then the other dozens of products that are out there. It just means that there are already a ton of people promoting it.

    It's really up to you to be able to pick and choose which products will sell.

    These are some very important things we look at when choosing a product to promote:

    The Salescopy - Does it contain correctly formed paragraphs, spelling and proper wording?

    Site Design - Professional graphics, buttons and logos are a key to whether you'll get a sale.

    Subject Matter (Value) - Is this something you would buy yourself? Does it tend to a problem many have?

    Bonus Packages - Are they of good quality, or are they just a bunch of junk extra ebooks?

    Price of Product - Use your common sense. The price can be a deciding factor of a product's success.

    Gravity and Keyword Competition - Is it worth your time to promote?

    When looking for products to promote, you need to have a good eye.
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    • Profile picture of the author celente
      Originally Posted by Nio93 View Post

      Product selection is one of the most important decisions to need to make if you want to run a profitable campaign. The problem is these days, just because you see a product with high gravity (ClickBank) or if it's just popular doesn't mean you'll make more money from it then the other dozens of products that are out there. It just means that there are already a ton of people promoting it.

      It's really up to you to be able to pick and choose which products will sell.

      These are some very important things we look at when choosing a product to promote:

      The Salescopy - Does it contain correctly formed paragraphs, spelling and proper wording?

      Site Design - Professional graphics, buttons and logos are a key to whether you'll get a sale.

      Subject Matter (Value) - Is this something you would buy yourself? Does it tend to a problem many have?

      Bonus Packages - Are they of good quality, or are they just a bunch of junk extra ebooks?

      Price of Product - Use your common sense. The price can be a deciding factor of a product's success.

      Gravity and Keyword Competition - Is it worth your time to promote?

      When looking for products to promote, you need to have a good eye.
      nice post.

      First of all no matter the posts you see, alexa is right gravity does not mean anything. Just how many affiliates are profitably selling and it only a rough indicator that bounces around.

      Next I always like a sales letter that offers PROOF, RESULTS IN ADVANCE (a frank kern tip) and really pummels the buyers problems again and again an then works in the ultimate solution.

      Sales copy is a big one two, that can sometimes make or break your promotional endevours.
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  • Profile picture of the author johnben1444
    Originally Posted by Ramesh8248 View Post

    Mostly we choose product which have low competition and good commission. But how you promote these products without testing them yourself. Means how you write any post or article on it when it just come in market. Which keyword you use and focus to get sell.
    You have several options here, you can buy the product and test it for yourself or check out the details description of the product.

    In terms of writing article, the description and features of the product you have will be a road map to creating something highly relevant.

    e.g. let product 'A' is just launch,
    Then in which keyword you focus? 'A' review or it's niche keywords?
    Based on your SEO capacity but i recommend leaving no stone unturn.

    How you create articles on it which are unique?
    Get it done yourself or hire an expert.

    What is the first way which you use to promote your affiliate link.
    its PPC program or blogging or Email list?
    You can't use your affiliate link on PPC.

    Normally, i start with a list, buy traffic from relevant places and use SEO as a long term strategy.
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  • Profile picture of the author Alexa Smith
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    Originally Posted by Nio93 View Post

    just because you see a product with high gravity (ClickBank) or if it's just popular doesn't mean you'll make more money from it then the other dozens of products that are out there. It just means that there are already a ton of people promoting it.
    I'm afraid it means no such thing at all. Some high gravity products aren't being promoted by anyone. I think you've misunderstood how "gravity" works and what it measures.

    Originally Posted by Ramesh8248 View Post

    How choose and promote product at affiliate programmes?
    http://www.warriorforum.com/main-int...ml#post2161932 (ClickBank - some points apply to other, non-Clickbank products, too)

    Originally Posted by Ramesh8248 View Post

    how you promote these products without testing them yourself.
    I don't. (Not "information products", anyway). I either get a review copy ( http://www.warriorforum.com/main-int...ml#post3641838 ) or buy it through my own affiliate link. Not so good if you're promoting $30,000 safari vacations, of course, but when you promote those, your readers don't necessarily expect you to have bought one yourself if you don't present what you write as a "review").

    Originally Posted by Ramesh8248 View Post

    Means how you write any post or article on it when it just come in market.
    I don't.

    I promise my subscribers, in every niche, that I'll never promote anything freshly on the market. People love this. It means they know that when they buy on my recommendation, they're getting something tried, tested and proven. It helps enormously for credibility and trust, and credibility and trust are the underlying basis of affiliate sales, so it really translates pretty directly into money.

    Originally Posted by Ramesh8248 View Post

    Which keyword you use and focus to get sell.

    If it's blogging or Adwords then which type of keywords you will use?
    Niche keywords, not product keywords.
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    • Profile picture of the author Mr. Ken Russell
      Originally Posted by Alexa Smith View Post

      I'm afraid it means no such thing at all. Some high gravity products aren't being promoted by anyone. I think you've misunderstood how "gravity" works and what it measures.
      Gravity: Number of distinct affiliates who earned a commission by referring a paying customer to the vendor's products. This is a weighted sum and not an actual total. For each affiliate paid in the last 8 weeks we add an amount between 0.1 and 1.0 to the total. The more recent the last referral, the higher the value added.
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      • Profile picture of the author Alexa Smith
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        Originally Posted by Nio93 View Post

        Gravity: Number of distinct affiliates who earned a commission by referring a paying customer to the vendor's products. This is a weighted sum and not an actual total. For each affiliate paid in the last 8 weeks we add an amount between 0.1 and 1.0 to the total. The more recent the last referral, the higher the value added.
        Thanks for helping me to make my point.

        You've quoted the definition of "gravity", but it appears you've still misunderstood/misinterpreted it.

        Some high gravity products are not being promoted by anyone at all. This is very common, for example, in all the niches to do with internet marketing. Every internet marketer who's a ClickBank affiliate and buys a copy of the product for himself adds one point onto the product's gravity without anyone promoting it or selling it to anyone other than the single copy they've bought themselves. Other affiliates then see and "high and rising gravity", imagine wrongly - as you have just done - that that indicates it "must be selling well", and try it out themselves. Thus it becomes self-perpetuating.

        It's actually quite common for products with single-figure gravities to be outselling products with three-figure gravities.

        The key point to appreciate is that there isn't a correlation between gravity figures and numbers of sales. Gravity doesn't measure sales.

        See if this makes it clearer for you: an affiliate who buys one copy for himself and an affiliate who sells 5,000 copies to his subscribers both add the same "1 point" on to the product's gravity.

        If you want to learn a little more about this widely misunderstood subject, I think you might (as others have done) find these threads very helpful ...

        Gravity High or Lower - Which Sells Best & Why?
        Understanding Clickbank Gravity
        Clickbank gravity - is there a sweet-spot here?
        Clickbank and gravity
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        • Profile picture of the author Mr. Ken Russell
          Originally Posted by Alexa Smith View Post

          Thanks for helping me to make my point.

          You've quoted the definition of "gravity", but it appears you've still misunderstood/misinterpreted it.

          Some high gravity products are not being promoted by anyone at all. This is very common, for example, in all the niches to do with internet marketing. Every internet marketer who's a ClickBank affiliate and buys a copy of the product for himself adds one point onto the product's gravity without anyone promoting it or selling it to anyone other than the single copy they've bought themselves. Other affiliates then see and "high and rising gravity", imagine wrongly - as you have just done - that that indicates it "must be selling well", and try it out themselves. Thus it becomes self-perpetuating.

          It's actually quite common for products with single-figure gravities to be outselling products with three-figure gravities.

          The key point to appreciate is that there isn't a correlation between gravity figures and numbers of sales. Gravity doesn't measure sales.

          See if this makes it clearer for you: an affiliate who buys one copy for himself and an affiliate who sells 5,000 copies to his subscribers both add the same "1 point" on to the product's gravity.

          If you want to learn a little more about this widely misunderstood subject, I think you might (as others have done) find these threads very helpful ...

          Gravity High or Lower - Which Sells Best & Why?
          Understanding Clickbank Gravity
          Clickbank gravity - is there a sweet-spot here?
          Clickbank and gravity
          I can tell you aren't in the internet marketing niche . In the majority of cases, if you are an affiliate or plan to be, review access is encouraged (especially during launches). As long as you are a reputable JV partner, the vendor will most likely agree to give you access to their product.

          See, the benefit of having review access gives you a much better advantage on marketing the product (obviously). As well as, most of the "super affiliates" won't even consider promoting your product unless you've promoted theirs in the past..

          By reciprocating for one another, you build trust and partnership (a joint venture). Review access is shared between JVs and promoted as partners, as well as the product launch being announced publicly for whoever wants to get a piece of the pie (resulting in high gravity). Affiliates don't buy the product themselves, they are given access to review them. From there reviews, they mass market it (product launch).

          You can determine how well a product launch will go by the confirmed affiliates ready to promote it.

          This is how ClickBank products are seen as the top products in the Marketplace, through a number of affiliates with massive email lists working as JV partners. This is why when you head over to the internet marketing reviews section of this forum, you usually see "I just received an email about this product _____, any reviews?" Once the product reaches a high gravity score, it's seen publicly and the thousands of other affiliates see it as a great opportunity to promote the product (without really taking the precautions they should be when choosing a product to promote).

          Without the initial hundreds of sales made through the massive lists of the JV's, you won't see a high gravity score through "people buying the product to promote it". The high gravity scores are a result of being mailed out to hundreds of thousands of people within the niche and through an accumulation of all the buyers through the circle of JV's during the time frame of the product launch.

          Originally Posted by Alexa Smith View Post

          See if this makes it clearer for you: an affiliate who buys one copy for himself and an affiliate who sells 5,000 copies to his subscribers both add the same "1 point" on to the product's gravity.
          If someone buys one copy for them self, it adds to 0.1 - 1 point in gravity. If someone sells 5,000 copies to his subscribers, it adds 0.1 - 1 point in gravity for each purchase made. As I quoted before:

          Originally Posted by Nio93 View Post

          Gravity: Number of distinct affiliates who earned a commission by referring a paying customer to the vendor's products..
          So I think you are just a little misunderstood on how gravity works on ClickBank.

          To make it easier to understand, if I created a product myself without any affiliates and promoted my list to 100 people and made 20 sales. The result in gravity score wouldn't be 1. It would be 20 (the number of sales made).

          PS: Speaking from experience, not something I read.
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          • Profile picture of the author Alexa Smith
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            Originally Posted by Nio93 View Post

            The high gravity scores are a result of being mailed out to hundreds of thousands of people within the niche and through an accumulation of all the buyers through the circle of JV's during the time frame of the product launch.
            Sure, some are that.

            Others are anything but.

            The point (and it's the same point explained by so many people in all the threads linked to above) is that there isn't a correlation between gravity figures and sales numbers, and there isn't a correlation between gravity figures and conversion-rates, either. However much you keep posting here, however much you discuss the subject, and however much you try to pull the wool over people's eyes, that is simply factual.

            Originally Posted by Nio93 View Post

            It just means that there are already a ton of people promoting it.
            No. It doesn't mean that. That's wrong.

            It doesn't necessarily mean that anyone's promoting it at all.

            These are simple, factual matters.
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            • Profile picture of the author Mr. Ken Russell
              Originally Posted by Alexa Smith View Post

              Sure, some are that.

              Others are anything but.

              The point (and it's the same point explained by so many people in all the threads linked to above) is that there isn't a correlation between gravity figures and sales numbers, and there isn't a correlation between gravity figures and conversion-rates, either. However much you keep posting here, however much you discuss the subject, and however much you try to pull the wool over people's eyes, that is simply factual.



              No. It doesn't mean that. That's wrong.

              It doesn't necessarily mean that anyone's promoting it at all.

              These are simple, factual matters.
              I'm talking about experience and from what I've personally been through. Not from "factual data".

              Sometimes when you read something, it doesn't make it true. My experience says that your "factual data" is wrong. I'm speaking as a vendor and as an affiliate. What you think is "factual" only consists of what you try to interpret, not from actual experience.

              Another thing, have you seen a product with +300 gravity with no affiliates promoting it? I don't think so. Why do you think GSniper has been one of the top products on the marketplace for 4 years. Because of the number affiliates that are promoting it. It's the consistency of the number of sales that are processed which keeps the gravity score high.

              Once again, experience (what is actually correct) > factual "incorrectly interpreted" data.
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  • Profile picture of the author TimHutch34
    you can use youtube to market affiliate products...if you're into video marketing. for the right keywords it's not to hard to get indexed with youtube videos if you fill out the tags and description right
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  • Profile picture of the author Randall Magwood
    Is there a particular subject or topic that you're very knowledgable about? This will help you to find a product that you can easily create content for, and promote around the web. The more knowledgable you are in a niche, the more you'll be able to create more backend products and earn more money from the existing customers that you acquire.
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  • Profile picture of the author gpwilson
    First of all you do not know what type of product you would need to promote until you get an offer. But when you get an offer then success depends completely on you. I would like to suggest you that you need to test all the offer. Who knows? One of them may click. And writing depends on knowledge. It depends on how much knowledge do you have on that particular product. If you do not have an idea then you need to get an idea.

    Last thing is promoting. I think that it would not be hard for you to promote if you have a some sort of knowledge about SEO. Social networking sites are very useful. Blog commenting is not very effective but it is effective as low backlinks.

    Last but not the least. You need to create quality backlinks for your site.

    Best of luck.
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  • Profile picture of the author Affiguy
    Originally Posted by Ramesh8248 View Post

    Hi friends,
    But how you promote these products without testing them yourself. Means how you write any post or article on it when it just come in market.
    You can ask a merchant to provide you with a testing/trial version of the product or service you sell if this is possible. Just test-drive it to get the idea.

    Then in which keyword you focus? 'A' review or it's niche keywords?
    It depends on your product really. If you can monetize the review on this product (I mean if you can make someone buy your product after they read your review), then focus on 'review' keyword types. If not, I would recommend you focusing on niche keywords. Try also Google Keyword tool to see what people are looking for.

    How you create articles on it which are unique?
    After you 'tried' the product, start writing unique articles yourself. Or use a service for that. No question to answer here really

    What is the first way which you use to promote your affiliate link.
    its PPC program or blogging or Email list?
    If it's blogging or Adwords then which type of keywords you will use?
    Build an e-mail list, start posting on related forums, guest blog posts, videos on youtube, social media etc.
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  • Profile picture of the author mike351
    Regarding the fact that you obviously are too lazy to use
    the search button, I should NOT answer your questions.
    Though today I had a good day so far:

    - Get products with medium to high competition, they sell
    better as there are obviously a lot who buy that product.

    - You should always become an authority when doing
    affiliate marketing, thats why its always best to buy the
    products you review. Though I understand if you just start
    out and dont have a lot of money to invest. In this case,
    just look at others promoting the product, read their
    review articles and then rewrite them in you own words,
    though, as already mentioned, I recommend trying out the
    product yourself

    - Keywords that always work:
    product review
    product reviews
    product scam
    ...

    - I personally promote my affiliate links by writing a
    review article bout the product and putting the link in
    there

    - It takes a lot of time and learning to master PPC, thats why
    I dont recommend it for beginners. Emaillist is one of the
    best traffic methods out there, but I doubt you got one when
    you just start out

    - After answering a lot of your questions, I will give you one
    tip: go and buy a product about affiliate marketing and follow
    each step untill you succeed. Simple as that. If you dont have
    any money, look around the internet. Everything you need is
    out there.
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  • Profile picture of the author affiliatekiller
    Alexa, I'm sorry to say you are incorrect honey.
    What you are saying about factual data, couldn't
    be more wrong. Gravity is measured through the
    distinct sales made, as an affiliate
    or as direct sales. I don't think Nio is trying
    to pull the wool over anyones eyes, he is right
    about with what he's said. I've been on cb for
    over 6 years and I know that is how it works.
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    • Profile picture of the author Alexa Smith
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      Originally Posted by affiliatekiller View Post

      Gravity is measured through the distinct sales made, as an affiliate or as direct sales.
      Sorry, this is just completely wrong.

      ClickBank is my source of information on this subject.

      "Direct sales" don't affect gravity at all. You're either making this stuff up, or you've heard it from someone who grotesquely misinformed you.

      I am myself an affiliate for a couple of products with gravities between 3.0 and 5.0 both of which are selling by the thousand (i.e. in vastly higher numbers than other products of the same vendors which have gravities nudging 100 and are barely selling 100 copies in a month).

      And that isn't unusual at all.

      You really do have this totally wrong.

      If you want to learn something about it, instead of repeating misinformation, these threads will help you. I'm not trying to be rude to you, but please don't keep repeating this ill-informed nonsense - it helps nobody!

      Gravity High or Lower - Which Sells Best & Why?
      Understanding Clickbank Gravity
      Clickbank gravity - is there a sweet-spot here?
      Clickbank and gravity

      Harvey Segal, a participant in ClickBank's European Advisory Board meetings, has even written a little, free e-book about Gravity (you can download it here - no opt-in required) which would explain it to you clearly enough: http://www.warriorforum.com/make-mon...supertips.html .

      It states expressly (and correctly, obviously!) that gravity is not correlated with "numbers of sales".

      There are also many vendors here who'll tell you exactly the same thing, of course ... but to see that, you'll have to be willing to read the threads linked to above, and others like them, rather than just repeating your own mistaken beliefs, I'm afraid.

      It's "over and out" from me, so be my guest and have the last word: knock yourself out.
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      • Profile picture of the author Harvey Segal
        Originally Posted by Nio93 View Post

        So I think you are just a little misunderstood on how gravity works on ClickBank.

        To make it easier to understand, if I created a product myself without any affiliates and promoted my list to 100 people and made 20 sales. The result in gravity score wouldn't be 1. It would be 20 (the number of sales made).
        Alas it is you who have misunderstood.

        1. As a vendor your sales add nothing to the gravity score. Only affiliate sales count

        2. And if you made those sales with an affiliate link you would add 1 not 20 because there is only 1 distinct affilate.

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  • Profile picture of the author affiliatekiller
    Grav: Short for GRAVITY™ performance statistic, this number represents a unique calculation by ClickBank that takes into account the number of different affiliates who earned a commission by promoting this product over the past 12 weeks. Since more recent transactions are given a higher value, this number can give you an idea of what products are “hot” at the moment, in terms of being promoted by many affiliates and making a good number of sales. However, high gravity can also indicate that there will be a lot of competition in promoting this product.
    Keywords being "number of different affiliates".

    "However, high gravity can also indicate that there will be a lot of competition in promoting this product."
    Alexa, I'm sorry to say you need to find a new source for where you get your "factual data"
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  • Profile picture of the author Ramesh8248
    Thanks to all of you for your helpful info
    I got My mistake

    I choose products without looking at their popularity and gravity, that's why I get problems.

    Again thanks
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  • Profile picture of the author markwilson4074
    I usually go for high gravity products, as more sales means more popularity. These products tend to sell faster (atleast for me).
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  • Profile picture of the author successpaving
    Yes, high gravity products are good but they have high competition too so try to check the competition first.
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    • Profile picture of the author celente
      Originally Posted by successpaving View Post

      Yes, high gravity products are good but they have high competition too so try to check the competition first.
      incorrect! we are in several niches that sell better with low gravity.

      High gravity does not mean anything on clickbank, just means there are more affiliates plugging it. Many people misconstrue on the whole gravity and one needs to read up more on what GRAVITY means.

      again, I know many marketers doing much better with low gravity products, if they are good quality. I would even say look for these products rather than try to sell the products everyone out there is trying to flog off.
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