Why Many Newbies Have It ALL Wrong

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Seems like the attitudes of many newbies need to be tweaked.

Maybe those of you who have been marketing for 5 years or more can chime in here.

I could be totally wrong, but this is what I'm seeing...

Many newbies think they can become successful WITHOUT actually knowing what they're doing or putting in the time it takes to learn and gain experience.

They get frustrated because they're not automatically making a killing online just because they've taken a few courses or bought a couple pieces of software.

Truth is... it's virtually impossible to succeed as a newbie.

I don't care how many sales pages you've read or how many pretenders told you you can make it as a newbie.

Expectations are just unrealistic.

A heart surgeon doesn't learn how to perform surgery in a day, so why should you know how to make money after a day? Or even a week, a month, or even a year?

People rise up in internet marketing at different rates because someone might have past sales experience or have a better mindset, for example, but otherwise it's all the same...

Don't expect to be successful as a newbie.

Here are some tips to go from newbie to a higher level fast...

Instead of watching TV, read marketing, sales, and copywriting books. (How much TV does the average person watch anyway? Like 3 hours per day? Why not spend that time studying?)

Instead of listening to the radio in the car, listen to marketing, sales, and copywriting MP3s. (How many hours are you in the car every day? Probably enough time to add hours of study to your day.)

Also build up your own network of people who are on the same level as you so you can network, grow your businesses together, and keep each other motivated. You can meet people here on Warrior Forum, then add them on Skype and have a huge network of people in no time.

Stop setting unrealistic expectations. The first thing you need to do is get to a higher level before you can succeed. Don't expect success as a newbie.
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  • Profile picture of the author retsced
    Great advice Jason. I fear it will fall on many deaf ears though. People just aren't willing to put in the hard work in the beginning to make it far easier for them further down the line. If you want to master something, you must be willing to live, breathe and eat that s**t every minute of every single goddamn day
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  • Profile picture of the author Josh Monroe
    Many newbies think they can become successful WITHOUT actually knowing what they're doing or putting in the time it takes to learn and gain experience.
    Couldn't agree more. The amount of times I here 'that takes too long' or 'I don't want to read all that information' or 'its boring, tedious' etc it's so frustrating.

    I had an email the other day from someone basically saying making websites is boring, I don't want to do that. Reading .PDF training is boring, I don't want to do that. Watching video training is a waste of my time. Can you tell me the best way to make $150,000 per annum without having to do any of the above, and something I can get set-up fast without much time. Thanks!

    Sigh.
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    • Profile picture of the author JasonParker
      Originally Posted by Josh Monroe View Post

      Can you tell me the best way to make $150,000 per annum without having to do any of the above, and something I can get set-up fast without much time. Thanks!

      Sigh.
      Yeah... they don't happen to live in a little place I like to call reality

      Let's say you do get something set up that can make that amount of income (like if you buy into some kind of done for you service), you still have to know what you're doing once you have it.
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    • Profile picture of the author Black Hat Cat
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      Originally Posted by Josh Monroe View Post

      Couldn't agree more. The amount of times I here 'that takes too long' or 'I don't want to read all that information' or 'its boring, tedious' etc it's so frustrating.

      I had an email the other day from someone basically saying making websites is boring, I don't want to do that. Reading .PDF training is boring, I don't want to do that. Watching video training is a waste of my time. Can you tell me the best way to make $150,000 per annum without having to do any of the above, and something I can get set-up fast without much time. Thanks!

      Sigh.
      I hope you said "Sure, I could tell you how, but I find it boring to explain, so I won't".
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    • Profile picture of the author aniketk
      Originally Posted by Josh Monroe View Post

      I had an email the other day from someone basically saying making websites is boring, I don't want to do that. Reading .PDF training is boring, I don't want to do that. Watching video training is a waste of my time. Can you tell me the best way to make $150,000 per annum without having to do any of the above, and something I can get set-up fast without much time. Thanks!

      Sigh.
      that is really funny..people can ask anything
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      • Profile picture of the author shipwrecked
        I guess there are tons of obsolete harmful SEO/IM materials out there, including old YouTube videos. Newcomers will read them, study from them and do a lot of harm to their sites... and will then wonder, "why doesn't it rank high in Google"?
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      • The main problem in my opinion is that most newbies don't know if they're actually ready to invest in anything, based on the status of their overall personal financial portfolio, be it in an online or offline business, in stock shares, in real estate, in oil and gold, etc. I posted this thread where I pointed out how newbies can know if they're ready to invest in anything...
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  • Profile picture of the author shintaiguy
    What your saying is absolutely true to a point Jason the problem is that so much sales copy convinces them that it ia actually going to be easy. If all the guys that sold IM or Make money stuff told newbs that they would be slogging away for endless hours or that they had to apply stuff for months to get results they wouldn't sell anything.

    Whatever stage you are at you have to expect success if you don't it won't ever come calling.
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    • Profile picture of the author myassouline
      Originally Posted by shintaiguy View Post

      What your saying is absolutely true to a point Jason the problem is that so much sales copy convinces them that it ia actually going to be easy. If all the guys that sold IM or Make money stuff told newbs that they would be slogging away for endless hours or that they had to apply stuff for months to get results they wouldn't sell anything.

      Whatever stage you are at you have to expect success if you don't it won't ever come calling.
      Thanks for sharing
      Luckily for me, I have soon understood that the "get rich quick scheme" only enriches he who sells the WSO or product , so I soon stopped purchasing WSO after WSO!
      Obviously, I keep learning day in day out, and have been doing so for nearly a year without earning a single dime (which would make me fall in the newbie category, wouldn't it). It indeed is frustrating, and I feel sometimes overwhelmed.
      Luck for me that I do not need too much money to survive, but indeed it is frustrating, especially if you read all those 'success' stories around you!
      What I have been looking for now for a few weeks is a mentor, someone who knows what he's talking about and would be willing to share it with me.
      Any thoughts?
      Thanks for that thread, though
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  • Profile picture of the author WebPen
    Another thing is that simply calling yourself a newbie immediately puts yourself in the wrong mindset.

    "I'm a newbie, I don't know what to do" is a horrible mindset if you want to actually build a business.

    "I have a lot to learn, but I know I can do this" is 100x better.
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    • Profile picture of the author Cid008
      Originally Posted by Justin Stowe View Post

      Another thing is that simply calling yourself a newbie immediately puts yourself in the wrong mindset.

      "I'm a newbie, I don't know what to do" is a horrible mindset if you want to actually build a business.

      "I have a lot to learn, but I know I can do this" is 100x better.
      My first post!

      I'm a newbie, I don't know what to do, this is exactly how I am right now, as I just began to read about IM last week. Not that I never heard about it, I'm a web developer, just that I didn't put too much attention before. That doesn't stop me thought, because I am in this mindset that you just describe, I don't know what to do but I am very enthusiast about it, I am willing to learn and since last week, I'm in sponge mode, I can't stop reading.

      I read some of those blueprints but I know I have to take and I have to leave some ideas, I saw a lot of 100$, 1000$, 10000$ per day stuff and I can't believe it. If it was, everyone would do IM.

      I set myself a goal to make a website this week that generate incomes. Whatever the amount, 10 cents, 50 cents, a dollars a month but that is stable. Then I'll know if it worth it or not. If I see that I can generate any stable amount, I'll work/study 80hrs a week to make my plans better.

      At least that is my mindset right now

      By the way Very nice forum here, A lot of information!
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      • Profile picture of the author paolo83
        Originally Posted by Cid008 View Post

        My first post!

        I'm a newbie, I don't know what to do, this is exactly how I am right now, as I just began to read about IM last week. Not that I never heard about it, I'm a web developer, just that I didn't put too much attention before. That doesn't stop me thought, because I am in this mindset that you just describe, I don't know what to do but I am very enthusiast about it, I am willing to learn and since last week, I'm in sponge mode, I can't stop reading.

        I read some of those blueprints but I know I have to take and I have to leave some ideas, I saw a lot of 100$, 1000$, 10000$ per day stuff and I can't believe it. If it was, everyone would do IM.

        I set myself a goal to make a website this week that generate incomes. Whatever the amount, 10 cents, 50 cents, a dollars a month but that is stable. Then I'll know if it worth it or not. If I see that I can generate any stable amount, I'll work/study 80hrs a week to make my plans better.

        At least that is my mindset right now

        By the way Very nice forum here, A lot of information!
        Sid008,

        WELCOME to this fantastic forum.

        I know exactly what you are describing. You can see the opportunity and you want to join in. It all cool just beware not to start wasting your money at the gurus without proper due diligence.

        Bear in mind that there is a learning curve but then it's all about the consistency of your efforts that will matter.

        Take some time to research this forum and don't be afraid to ASK SPECIFIC questions when you don't know so that we can help you out.
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        • Profile picture of the author Horny Devil
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          Originally Posted by JasonParker View Post

          You want to know my answer to all that?

          1. Stick to the basics (you know, the "rehashed crap" that has always worked and will always work)

          2. Pay attention to the old masters, their teachings, and apply what they did to the internet... Ted Nicholas, for example, is responsible for billions of dollars in sales. No other guru comes close to him (except for another old master, named Jay Abraham)

          3. Quit doing what doesn't work
          Two golden rules for getting somewhere.
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  • Profile picture of the author Ellie M
    Great post and great responses. I do have a lot to learn and I know I can do this ... I'm more than willing to put in the time and effort it takes to learn how to make money on the internet. Thanks for the reality check and the pep talk!
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  • Profile picture of the author leighs31
    Too true, but i guess you cannot blame because of the big guru products saying how easy it is. I think Jason sometimes we forget that we all started from somewhere but some people will always be natural complainers anyway. For instance when your on holiday you know who the whingers are and the one's that know they get what they paid for and are there for a good time.

    It is the same in the work environment, people expect without giving and unfortunately in life you don't get anywhere unless you work hard and study as you say. But it is very confusing for newbies with so many people to choose from to teach them. Plus trying to concentrate on one thing and work it through till it works is paramount rather than jumping from one thing to another. Consistency and hard work is key
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  • Profile picture of the author paolo83
    Hi Jason,

    you have a point there and i'm glad you talking about this.

    Newbies have a tendency to focus on the wrong target: the money. Clearly they join the IM scene to make money though the irony of the story is that by focusing on the money you'll only be losing it.

    Sure i got started that way too. I wanted it bad and i wanted it fast and with the help of many smart sale copies out there i manage to loose a small fortune that could be in my son's bank account...

    To all of you that are just getting started, please stop thinking about the money (for a few minutes only) and start thinking about building a business by using online tools as a leverage to reach out to people.

    What's your business idea? What kind of product are you planning to sell or promote? How is it going to be different from everyone else's? and so on...

    That's a better direction of your energy.

    Listen to Jason, before you waste another dollar do some homework and research deeply into the idea of setting up an internet business.

    Don't blindly follow the gurus with their million dollar launches thinking that by buying their product you will make it. I did that and it hurts to tell you that it won't work.

    You'll need much more than a blueprint totally laid out for you to succeed.

    Enough said, enough reading... let's get down to some work

    Paul
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  • Profile picture of the author kindsvater
    I think the expectations are different. One does not expect to become a heart surgeon overnight and the expectation going in is that there will be a many year education and learning curve.

    IM is perceived as having low barriers to entry and the possibility of fast rewards. Which is true. But that low barrier to entry does not mean it is necessarily easy, or that little education is required.

    Offers like this are part of the problem "Discover How To Build A List Of Over 100,000 Subscribers Faster And Easier Than You Ever Dreamed Possible" - Even assuming that is feasible for many, without huge cost, what does it leave someone with? A massive AWeber monthly bill that puts them into bankruptcy. There is a bigger picture and more to learn. There is always more to learn.

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    • Profile picture of the author JasonParker
      Originally Posted by kindsvater View Post

      Offers like this are part of the problem "Discover How To Build A List Of Over 100,000 Subscribers Faster And Easier Than You Ever Dreamed Possible" - Even assuming that is feasible for many, without huge cost, what does it leave someone with? A massive AWeber monthly bill that puts them into bankruptcy. There is a bigger picture and more to learn. There is always more to learn.
      Well I'm not going to argue with that. It is a little over the top, although non-specific.

      I don't think anyone is going to go into bankruptcy over a $20 AWeber bill though.

      But there's always more to learn... the more you learn, the more you learn that there's even more to learn
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      • Profile picture of the author paolo83
        Originally Posted by JasonParker View Post

        Well I'm not going to argue with that. It is a little over the top, although non-specific.

        I don't think anyone is going to go into bankruptcy over a $20 AWeber bill though.

        But there's always more to learn... the more you learn, the more you learn that there's even more to learn
        No Jason,

        a 20$ aweber bill won't bankrupt you but the truth is that you can have a few sites with a lot of hope for the future and an empty aweber account with no sign ups.

        I admit that I've had that for a couple of years without a sign up, the money i spent was wasted. Add a couple of memberships you participate in and there you are with a pretty fat monthly bill to pay wondering when you'll see a return... See how easy it is for a newbie to get distracted from the master plan and focus on the money again?

        It is frustrating investing money and never see a return.... and that's part of the reason is why a newbie is a newbie i guess...
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        • Profile picture of the author JasonParker
          Originally Posted by paolo83 View Post

          No Jason,

          a 20$ aweber bill won't bankrupt you but the truth is that you can have a few sites with a lot of hope for the future and an empty aweber account with no sign ups.

          I admit that I've had that for a couple of years without a sign up, the money i spent was wasted. Add a couple of memberships you participate in and there you are with a pretty fat monthly bill to pay wondering when you'll see a return... See how easy it is for a newbie to get distracted from the master plan and focus on the money again?

          It is frustrating investing money and never see a return.... and that's part of the reason is why a newbie is a newbie i guess...
          I started my first AWeber account as a house painter for $9 an hour. It stung paying out $20 per month, trust me. But I believe it's virtually impossible to have a successful business without an e-mail list.

          I'm not sure how you can go 2 years without getting a signup... I'm sorry to hear that. I built my first list of 1000 subscribers in the guitar niche just by writing a guitar blog and nesting a squeeze page for a free guitar speed course at the top and center of my blog.

          My developing copywriting skills were important in getting those signups. I think I was going through Brian Voiles' Advertising Magic course back then.
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  • Profile picture of the author Ron Desi
    paolo83 - I like your comment. I too believe newbies (I'm one of them!) look at the money first. That's what I did. Then I learned it's not really internet marketing or making money online...it's first a business.
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    • Profile picture of the author paolo83
      Originally Posted by WebsiteVideoPresenter View Post

      paolo83 - I like your comment. I too believe newbies (I'm one of them!) look at the money first. That's what I did. Then I learned it's not really internet marketing or making money online...it's first a business.
      Thanx,

      it happened to me few years ago and i'm pretty sure its still happening nowadays to a lot of people out there.

      Unfortunately.

      This is another of the reasons why despite there's an infinite number of internet marketers out there you got to share your story and try your best to help out newbies.

      We can all make a difference. We are just a click away from wasting thousands of dollars while silently sinking in a sea of illusions... but if i do my work right i can avoid others repeating my mistakes.

      That's all we can do.
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  • Profile picture of the author marketfurther
    Average newbie lifecycle...
    1. $$$ -> Whoa... that sounds good! Better read up about that.
    2. Reading.
    3. Researching.
    4. Thinking about trying.
    5. Reading.
    6. Buy some overhyped WSO.
    7. Thinking about trying.
    8. Actually getting a bit of work done.
    9. Failing.
    10. Back to Number 1.

    One can only do so much breathing in (research) before you need to breathe out (making a site, product, etc). Give yourself a limit to how much research you will do before trying something out. Don't get stuck in the procrastinating cycle of finding the perfect method/blueprint. The best way to learn is from your own experience.

    Also befriending some peers who are at your level and a few mentors that are "making it happen" can be a good way to shortcut some of the learning process and help you evaluate your failures from a more detached perspective.
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  • Profile picture of the author rohit36
    hmm simple and to the point, but sometimes it is really difficult to apply as many things going around us..

    what a newbie should do - can never have the same answer coz different marketers have different opinion(different niches) for them, so its really confusing...
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    • Profile picture of the author JasonParker
      Originally Posted by rohit36 View Post

      hmm simple and to the point, but sometimes it is really difficult to apply as many things going around us..

      what a newbie should do - can never have the same answer coz different marketers have different opinion(different niches) for them, so its really confusing...
      Yeah it's easy to get lost in a sea of stuff pulling you every which way.

      I like to stick to marketing basics...

      Market Research
      Listbuilding
      Copywriting
      Networking
      Launching Products

      It's basic direct marketing stuff applied to the internet (that's why I suggested reading books).

      If I can find out anything useful on any of those subjects, then I study it like a Harvard student who's about to take an exam.
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    • Profile picture of the author paolo83
      Originally Posted by rohit36 View Post

      hmm simple and to the point, but sometimes it is really difficult to apply as many things going around us..

      what a newbie should do - can never have the same answer coz different marketers have different opinion(different niches) for them, so its really confusing...
      I agree,

      and that's why i said do not follow BLINDLY the gurus, not because what they say is BS or else, but because your business will be different from any other so you will have to understand the basics, then see what will work for you and move forward.

      Listen, watch, learn but always think with your head in the end.
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      • Profile picture of the author JasonParker
        Originally Posted by paolo83 View Post

        I agree,

        and that's why i said do not follow BLINDLY the gurus, not because what they say is BS or else, but because your business will be different from any other so you will have to understand the basics, then see what will work for you and move forward.

        Listen, watch, learn but always think with your head in the end.
        You want to know my answer to all that?

        1. Stick to the basics (you know, the "rehashed crap" that has always worked and will always work)

        2. Pay attention to the old masters, their teachings, and apply what they did to the internet... Ted Nicholas, for example, is responsible for billions of dollars in sales. No other guru comes close to him (except for another old master, named Jay Abraham)

        3. Quit doing what doesn't work
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        • Profile picture of the author paolo83
          Originally Posted by JasonParker View Post

          You want to know my answer to all that?

          1. Stick to the basics (you know, the "rehashed crap" that has always worked and will always work)

          2. Pay attention to the old masters, their teachings, and apply what they did to the internet... Ted Nicholas, for example, is responsible for billions of dollars in sales. No other guru comes close to him (except for another old master, named Jay Abraham)

          3. Quit doing what doesn't work


          I sure got in the right direction once i got to learn from Ted and Jay.
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          • Profile picture of the author JasonParker
            Originally Posted by paolo83 View Post

            I sure got in the right direction once i got to learn from Ted and Jay.
            That makes 2 of us!

            If you read Abraham's old book, "Getting Everything You Can Out Of All You've Got," it's easy to make a connection between everything in that book and what's that's working online right now (and has been for years).
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      • Profile picture of the author paolo83
        I won't tell you how much i wasted in ppc.

        We don't need to start yet another debate about list building so for those who don't know yet James is right once again a list is ABSOLUTELY ESSENTIAL to your online business.

        I went on two years without sign ups because a wasted my time following the wrong gurus instead of starting a blog and create a little community of followers.

        I followed other businesses instead of leading my own.... ( newbies i hope you are taking note...)
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  • Profile picture of the author Jackson Tan
    in short.. IM is not a get-rich-quick-scheme.. it is a real business that require time and effort. staying focus is one thing, following through is another. There so much to learn and therefore get to get a mentor to keep you on track

    my 2 cents~
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  • Profile picture of the author Chri5123
    Awesome advice and if I may add:

    If you are a newbie and are feeling that it is "all too complicated" the beauty is that it is not like being a heart surgeon. You can make mistakes!

    I am always talking about free ways to get your products and services in from of people that need them because that is how I started.

    It IS hard work - but when you are starting out the worst thing (in my opinion) that you can do is chuck $500 at a PPC campaign.

    Read and implement and if you get stuck - seek out the info on youtube, online or ask here - all of which are free and then pick up where you left off.

    Keep on going and you will find that one day you don't ask so many questions and you might make some money too.

    Chris
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  • Profile picture of the author Kal Sallam
    Clarity is key!

    Anyone wants to make money needs to SELL SOMETHING period. (Product or Service)
    Making money online = Traffic + Conversions. So get good at these two...master them.


    It also all depends on the system you are relying on and the plane you are executing.

    It does not take too long to learn how to launch a simple site, then

    Provide small businesses simple website design service for $250 a pop.


    **Then package the above method in a short report and sell it to whoever wants it.

    ***Then offer some one on one coaching to any of you're buyers
    Who are interested in knowing every little detail.

    Clarity--System-- A solid plan will get you somewhere not just in Business but in life in genera.
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    • Profile picture of the author paolo83
      Originally Posted by Kal Sallam View Post

      Clarity is key!

      Anyone wants to make money needs to SELL SOMETHING period. (Product or Service)
      Making money online = Traffic + Conversions. So get good at these two...master them.


      It also all depends on the system you are relying on and the plane you are executing.

      It does not take too long to learn how to launch a simple site, then

      Provide small businesses simple website design service for $250 a pop.


      **Then package the above method in a short report and sell it to whoever wants it.

      ***Then offer some one on one coaching to any of you're buyers
      Who are interested in knowing every little detail.

      Clarity--System-- A solid plan.
      There you go newbies,

      Kal just gave you an example/idea for an entire sales funnel. Now break it down to little daily tasks and stick to it!
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  • Profile picture of the author matchoo77
    I don't think the learning curve has to be so steep. My thinking is that people can start out and start making money...good money...in just a few months...IF they learn the ins and outs of a hungry niche...such as:

    Forex trading
    stock trading
    weight loss (tricky one, but if you are targeting sub niches you are good)
    ED/premature ________

    For example...if you go on one of the big forex forums, you can see that there are people who have successful subscription businesses...that get all their traffic right there in the forum. These guys are not marketers first and forex traders second....they are forex traders who responded to demand from other forex traders for advice/systems/buy & sell alerts etc.
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    • Profile picture of the author JasonParker
      Originally Posted by matchoo77 View Post

      I don't think the learning curve has to be so steep. My thinking is that people can start out and start making money...good money...in just a few months...IF they learn the ins and outs of a hungry niche...such as:

      Forex trading
      stock trading
      weight loss (tricky one, but if you are targeting sub niches you are good)
      ED/premature ________

      For example...if you go on one of the big forex forums, you can see that there are people who have successful subscription businesses...that get all their traffic right there in the forum. These guys are not marketers first and forex traders second....they are forex traders who responded to demand from other forex traders for advice/systems/buy & sell alerts etc.
      I think it's possible for people with past business experience or certain expertise. Although I've never personally seen anyone go from $0 to being on track to make 6 figures a year in 3 months.
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      • Profile picture of the author matchoo77
        Originally Posted by JasonParker View Post

        I think it's possible for people with past business experience or certain expertise. Although I've never personally seen anyone go from $0 to being on track to make 6 figures a year in 3 months.
        Right....and I definitely wasn't someone who was on track for 6 figs in the first 3 months of my IM career...but I did get on that track when I got on to the stock trading niche...in 3 months I went from modest affiliate commissions from various clickbank stuff...to head over heels mode into the stock trading niche...and the results were staggering.
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  • Profile picture of the author Horny Devil
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    Originally Posted by JasonParker View Post


    Many newbies think they can become successful WITHOUT actually knowing what they're doing or putting in the time it takes to learn and gain experience.

    They get frustrated because they're not automatically making a killing online just because they've taken a few courses or bought a couple pieces of software . . .
    THIS is the problem, and it all boils down to effort, dedication, and time. Unfortunately we see so many newcomers to IM believing too much of the hype of others, and thinking they can achieve the same. In reality, most of the people they seek to learn from know little more than the newbie.
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  • Profile picture of the author rmolina88
    Most newbies want a push button software that will generate money from thin air and alot of products are sadly marketed that way.
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  • Profile picture of the author paul nicholls
    good post jason

    There is a lot of information to learn in Internet marketing so you have to be like a sponge and absorb everything and anything to do with IM

    You have to eat and sleep IM

    If your not prepared to sit there and watch videos and read PDF`s to learn more information until your eyes burn with tiredness then you don`t want it bad enough

    You need to get focused and get stuck in and learn as much as humanly possible when it comes to IM

    Stop the excuses

    Anything apart from what i have mentioned above is only a half hearted effort and your not going to see any good results in your business any time soon

    Paul
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    • Profile picture of the author heavysm
      Unless you're a genius and can understand IM right off the bat, whichever aspect of marketing you choose, there is a bell curve to learning online as an amateur marketer. I made a little money starting out but it was nothing overall because i had no idea how to keep it up.

      I could have easily bought a course on how to replicate someone's success with a particular technique but that in no way means that i could have put my own spin on it to make it succeed for the long run. And you know what, that's sort of what i did for a while. Think i could replicate the success of others from what they sold me and wonder WTF I was doing wrong when it didn't work out.

      The length of time it took me to really master my methods in IM was perfect and for me, it was just long enough. No overnight bullshit. It took one failed business (my very first business failed completely) and a few years of determined and focused hard/smart work to get it all to come together.
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    • Profile picture of the author RogueOne
      Originally Posted by paul nicholls View Post

      If your not prepared to sit there and watch videos and read PDF`s to learn more information until your eyes burn with tiredness then you don`t want it bad enough
      This is true and the reason most will fail.

      I had a guy say once, "I saw some ebooks on your site but I have an aversion to them, LOL!"

      I got into online marketing after many years of running a mail order business in the "opportunity seeker" market. I knew all about list building, advertising, writing copy that sells, etc.

      My first three years in IM were 18-20 hour days 28 or 29 days per month. I did very little else. Many times I would crawl to my bed exhausted only to be back at it 3 or 4 hours later.

      Results? I have found, purchased and moved to my "dream" home. A lot of days now you can find me along the river bank, fishing pole in one hand, double barrel in the other.

      I'm now able to "live the dream" because I sacrificed several years of my life to make it happen. I wanted it that bad.

      If you are not willing to do what it takes then stay at your J.O.B. If you can't deny yourself anything then stay at your J.O.B. If you refuse to acknowledge reality, then (you guessed it) stay at your J.O.B.

      I'm more than willing to help pretty much anyone, but no one is going to take you by the hand and do it for you.
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      • Profile picture of the author adamj2
        Really enjoyed that post and it perfectly put into words how I try to explain people starting out to approach things and not to get so overwhelmed if they are not instantly rolling in the cash.

        Another thing that I have found contributes to many struggles is that lots of beginners consider most things to be a scam and use that as the excuse if they don't make money with a certain training product or system.

        There is all too often the excuse "it doesn't work, it's just a scam" and "I need to find something that actually works" etc.

        Yet that same person would not have taken action and done any marketing to drive traffic to anything. And then they use the excuse "it doesn't work" even though they have driven no traffic to an offer or taken action on training etc!

        If people looked at themselves and how as an online entrepreneur what they can do different in their business to get better results then I think progress would be much better, yet many seem to be all to keen to blame others for their failure and expect someone else to show them the magic way rather than taking responsibility for their own success or failure.
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      • Profile picture of the author Chri5123
        Originally Posted by RogueOne View Post

        This is true and the reason most will fail.

        I had a guy say once, "I saw some ebooks on your site but I have an aversion to them, LOL!"

        I got into online marketing after many years of running a mail order business in the "opportunity seeker" market. I knew all about list building, advertising, writing copy that sells, etc.

        My first three years in IM were 18-20 hour days 28 or 29 days per month. I did very little else. Many times I would crawl to my bed exhausted only to be back at it 3 or 4 hours later.

        Results? I have found, purchased and moved to my "dream" home. A lot of days now you can find me along the river bank, fishing pole in one hand, double barrel in the other.

        I'm now able to "live the dream" because I sacrificed several years of my life to make it happen. I wanted it that bad.

        If you are not willing to do what it takes then stay at your J.O.B. If you can't deny yourself anything then stay at your J.O.B. If you refuse to acknowledge reality, then (you guessed it) stay at your J.O.B.

        I'm more than willing to help pretty much anyone, but no one is going to take you by the hand and do it for you.
        This ^

        Spot on my friend - I would say that though, as your story sounds a lot like mine.

        I also come from a sales background and that helps immensely!

        I STILL have to put in the hours after 7 years at this sometimes.

        I think when most newbies start out and are fed dreams of a "push button software" that can make their dreams come true when you are desperate it is easy to fall into a trap.

        If you wonder how "the dream" sells time and time again ask yourself if you have ever bought a lottery ticket?

        Well you have a FAR BETTER chance to make real money online than win the lottery!

        Chris
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  • Profile picture of the author garveyonweb
    Originally Posted by JasonParker View Post

    Many newbies think they can become successful WITHOUT actually knowing what they're doing or putting in the time it takes to learn and gain experience.

    Expectations are just unrealistic.
    Absolutely agree; and Quilty! When I started this I thought it was quick, easy and impossible to fail. Now I realise having come through all of that it is none of the above. Time, learning, effort, energy, frustration, and eventually glimmers of success; slowly slowly catches the monkey!!

    However, these expectations of inevitable success and unending profits are fuelled by other MMO entrepreneurs many of whom are warriors. Just read the WSO forum for unrealistic claims. 'newbie friendly' , 'easy $$$', 'make $000s quick' etc etc. These expectations are increased by experienced marketeers doing what they are good at; applying all that marketing in the sales pitch, selling the sizzle!!

    I think without failing you won't necessarily gain an understanding of all these false promises. Thats just human nature I think.
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  • Profile picture of the author SteveSRS
    Originally Posted by JasonParker View Post

    Stop setting unrealistic expectations. The first thing you need to do is get to a higher level before you can succeed. Don't expect success as a newbie.
    Originally Posted by JasonParker View Post

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    Perhaps those unrealistic expectations are generated by all those 'experienced' people... how about that? We are getting thrown to dead with (mostly false) promises earn xxxxxx in 2 days, 1 week 10.000 in your first 2 months etc etc

    Of course the argument against this is we are all adults (well most of us) and we all should use our own judgement for these kind of advertisements but these kind of promises play exactly on to the wishes of every newbie. No matter how ignorant you might think this is..

    so in conclusion your whole 'rant' is kinda egg-chicken story isn't it?
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    • Profile picture of the author JasonParker
      Originally Posted by SteveSRS View Post

      Perhaps those unrealistic expectations are generated by all those 'experienced' people... how about that? We are getting thrown to dead with (mostly false) promises earn xxxxxx in 2 days, 1 week 10.000 in your first 2 months etc etc

      Of course the argument against this is we are all adults (well most of us) and we all should use our own judgement for these kind of advertisements but these kind of promises play exactly on to the wishes of every newbie. No matter how ignorant you might think this is..

      so in conclusion your whole 'rant' is kinda egg-chicken story isn't it?
      You can either blame others and the "system" (or "they") for your lack of success... or not. It's a common attitude. Taking responsibility for your own business seems to work best.

      I don't personally think my listbuilding freebie ad has anything to do with "make xxxxx in 2 days," but that's just me. It's a general statement saying this works fast, which it does, so I have no problem saying it.
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      • Profile picture of the author SteveSRS
        Originally Posted by JasonParker View Post

        You can either blame others and the "system" (or "they") for your lack of success... or not. It's a common attitude. Taking responsibility for your own business seems to work best.

        I don't personally think my listbuilding freebie ad has anything to do with "make xxxxx in 2 days," but that's just me. It's a general statement saying this works fast, which it does, so I have no problem saying it.
        no no, don't get me wrong I'm not criticizing, I'm making a point.. and I'm also not comparing your sig ad with the 'false' promises.

        Heck look at my sig I'm also doing something similar I'm also offering a free report and I'm saying that the platform has a 6 figure a year potential of course it is up to the people to actually do it, I'm sure this is the same for your sig ad.

        However the point I was trying to get across (it was from a 'devils advocate' point of view) is I can understand where it comes from and the blame is not purely on the newbie 'and his / her bad attitude' it is also a lot about how this newbie is thrown in this business and how he / she is educated into this business.. we all learn by example..

        You understand what I'm trying to say?
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  • Profile picture of the author pusan
    Thanks for those cool advice Parker.I completely agree with you.Most newbies want quick success and they cant focus on a particular business for a long term and that causes failure.Continuous learning and learning from the mistakes are also important in getting success online.
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  • Profile picture of the author John Pawlett
    There is nothing wrong with 'Get Rich Quick' except that it has negative connotations.

    It is perfectly reasonable to expect most people with a moderate degree of IM knowledge to make a very good living quickly.

    The issue is that most newbies are looking for 'Get Rich Easy'!

    In this business, not unlike any other business you have to put the work in (I know I should watch my language on here).

    I would recommend to anyone starting out that they first study all aspects of traffic generation, master traffic then you own your own destiny.

    Kind regards

    John
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