Quit Taking Action NOW!!!

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I'm finally coming around to the side of the argument that a lot of people who are more successful than me have been touting for quite a while.

For almost as long as I've been posting here, I've encouraged every single person who has asked me to get started. Do something. Do it now. Quit waiting. You get the idea.

I hit the last straw this morning though and I hereby officially recant my advice to every single person I've given it to in the past. It's mis-guided and I've done you a great dis-service.

Here's my new advice, and it's only new to me. If you read the people who disagree with me, then it's not new to you, either.

Take action AFTER you have a well thought out plan.

Over the last few weeks and even months, I've read "plan" after "plan" from people who couldn't think their way out of a wet paper bag. There's just no way those "plans" would work. They're not even "plans." They're just diagrams of a way to throw ____ on the wall and see if it sticks.

So, for all of you new people who are looking to get into this business, take a breather. If you're broke and getting kicked out of your house this afternoon, turn off your computer and go cut someone's grass. You don't need to attempt starting a new business until your life is stable.

If you're stable, then sit down and read. Join the War Room. Take part in the discussion when you can.

Make a plan.

Only then should you start taking some action.

-- j
#action #quit #taking
  • Damn! I finally decided to take action!
    Back to the ol' drawing board!
    David
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    • Profile picture of the author fin
      I think everything should be planned very meticulously. Everything should have a reason.

      I started a thread about this ages ago, but the best pool/badminton players already know their next 5+ moves in advance.
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    • Profile picture of the author MissTerraK
      Hey Jason,

      I know where you're coming from and I agree with most of your post.

      But doing some due diligence in studying, reading up on a subject, perusing the War Room posts and setting up a step by step business plan is indeed taking action. Taking action isn't the problem, taking action without logical steps is.

      I posted on this before in the past and it went something like this.

      I would never attempt to try out for the volleyball team for instance, without first learning the terms used and the rules to the game. In learning those, I have taken my first step of action.

      Next, I would go and watch some matches being played or view some previously recorded matches, then if I was confident that I still wanted to play, I would go and purchase a net and volley ball.

      I then would practice my serving, bumping and spiking. Once I determined that I could indeed play and had some talent in the area, I would then try out for a team.

      Each of those steps was taking action. The key was taking action in steps while testing out the waters, so to speak.

      So yes, take action, but take action in logical steps. There's nothing wrong with using a little wisdom.

      Terra
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  • Profile picture of the author Michael Oksa
    The only thing I would add is that people need to stop confusing busyness for business.

    All the best,
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    • Originally Posted by Michael Oksa View Post

      The only thing I would add is that people need to stop confusing busyness for business.

      All the best,
      Michael
      One of my problems.
      Like spending hours on message boards about IM instead of working on my business!
      Gotta go!
      David
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    • Profile picture of the author arrhenius
      Originally Posted by Michael Oksa View Post

      The only thing I would add is that people need to stop confusing busyness for business.

      All the best,
      Michael
      nice one
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  • Profile picture of the author WebPen
    I like it!

    I would like to say one thing though.

    From my own experience, if I plan for more than about 30 minutes or an hour, I turn into over-analyze mode, which leads to doing NOTHING.

    It's kind of like standing at the beginning of 50 different paths. If I spend too much time trying to choose the "perfect one", I may never end up taking action.

    But if I spend a little time figuring out which general direction I want to go, then just go, at least I can get closer towards my destination and slightly change course later.
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  • Profile picture of the author Rose Anderson
    Thank you, Jason. I am now going to take a nap.

    Rose
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  • Profile picture of the author Michael Oksa
    I think one of the problems is that people assume the following two statements are synonymous:

    1. Take action!
    2. Don't be lazy!

    The truth is that they can mean very different things. Understanding that difference is the key to reaching your goals.

    (Hint: If you don't have goals, then your actions will only help you to not achieve them.)

    All the best,
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  • Profile picture of the author WarrenPeterson
    Yes, excellent. Both are needed, a plan and action on that plan.

    A business is follows a plan. It doesn't mean that there is a rigid and unchanging path, but there is a plan.

    It doesn't need to be a traditional business plan, I even advise against those for most, but there needs to be a plan. Making Money isn't a plan. Getting Rich isn't a plan.

    Design your business, plan a strategy, and then take action.
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  • Profile picture of the author Abraham L
    Particularly for someone who is new in this, I find it difficult, and the reason is that they don't have a plan in the first place. They don't know what works or what doesn't work.

    So, what advice can you give to a newbie in that case?
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      • Profile picture of the author George Wright
        Originally Posted by JaRyCu View Post


        College is 4 years for a reason. A US compulsory education is 13 years for a reason. What is the reason? So that you can learn what you need to know in order to be successful. (Well, supposedly, but that was the original idea anyways. We can debate that in Off Topic.) - j
        The reason is... Well let's just say...

        "Follow the money"

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  • I don't agree with the OP.

    As a newbie, it's best to learn by trial/error, than to spin wheels analyzing your "business plan". There's nothing like getting your hands dirty as you take your first few baby steps into this business.
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  • Profile picture of the author betterwtveter
    You are totally right. I noticed that I kept failing because big shot marketers tell me to keep spending money and less marketing compared to what you guys have taught me. I have learned that you first need to learn from the best marketers to become successful. I did not take me days weeks, nor months to replace my income in marketing online. It took me years of trial an error to get here. Work hard, stay persistent and you will succeed.
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  • Profile picture of the author paul nicholls
    I agree j

    a plan is very important

    before i start a new project, product, list etc i always write things down on paper first

    i also write things down on my white board too

    i get everything laid out first so it is crystal clear what i need to do and what i need to do each day too in order to reach my goal

    i think the problem with complete newbies is that they can`t put a plan together because of lack of experience and lack of skills

    in this case i will echo what you said about college courses are 3 - 4 years for a reason because that is how long it takes to pick up the knowledge

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  • Profile picture of the author garveyonweb
    Originally Posted by JaRyCu View Post

    Take action AFTER you have a well thought out plan.


    Make a plan.

    Only then should you start taking some action.

    -- j
    JaRyCu is your new advice really sensible? Sure it has merit, but can one really have a well thought out plan which is rock solid and destined to be successful without having made the necessary mistakes first, and experience gained.

    This was my strategy for quite a while. With the 20/20 vision of hindsight I think that time I spent was just procrastinating. Developing a plan which I had no REAL understanding of untill I actually started doing. Mistakes are inevitable. You don't have to spend loads of money learning, and being unsuccessful; just time and effort. Mistakes made, lesson learnt (hopefully!).

    One really important point which you eluded to that if your back is to the wall and you need fast money then give it a break. Crisis decisions are rarely constructive. Your head definently has to be in a good place to get good results.

    One of the best pieces of advice I ever read here was by Alexa Smith, where she advised newbies to avoid MMO niche and cut your teeth elsewhere (paraphrasing). Imagine having to be told!! I think the WF does that to you. It sucks you in, read enough here and anyone thinks they are suddenly an 'expert'.

    IMHO
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    • Profile picture of the author Rose Anderson
      Originally Posted by garveyonweb View Post

      JaRyCu is your new advice really sensible? Sure it has merit, but can one really have a well thought out plan which is rock solid and destined to be successful without having made the necessary mistakes first, and experience gained.
      I think he said a "well thought out plan". Not "rock solid and destined to be successful" plan.

      There's a balance between the two. Many people do over analyze and never take action. But many others start out buying ebooks, domain names, and a host of services without having a clue what they're doing.

      The trick is to find the middle ground.

      Rose
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      • Profile picture of the author fin
        You will never get people agreeing when there's no defined definitions.

        You'd think some people assume a plan will takes weeks to devise.

        I was thinking more like putting some earphones in, grabbing a notepad and playing around for a few hours while you listen to Britney Spears.
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        • Profile picture of the author George Wright
          Originally Posted by fin View Post

          You will never get people agreeing when there's no defined definitions.
          Exactly Fin,

          I've always been a Ready, FIRE, Aim kind of guy and I was getting ready to strongly ( I didn't think I could spell vehemently) disagree with the OP. However, I thought it through and I have to admit that I consider that making a plan is action. It may not be the first thing on my action list or is it?

          I made a plan many years ago, sell stuff to people. Every thing else starts with step 2.

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      • Originally Posted by Rose Anderson View Post

        I think he said a "well thought out plan". Not "rock solid and destined to be successful" plan.

        There's a balance between the two. Many people do over analyze and never take action. But many others start out buying ebooks, domain names, and a host of services without having a clue what they're doing.

        The trick is to find the middle ground.

        Rose
        I did that.
        But then again, it has given me some direction so I have some ideas on what to do.
        I definitely have more of a plan now than when I bought a bunch of domains that I now realize are practically useless.
        David
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          • Profile picture of the author RogueOne
            I spent over 3 months building my first site only to delete it and start over because I had it all wrong.

            But, I learned some valuable lessons and I'm glad I did it that way.

            I have a way of diving into stuff before I completely understand it, and figuring it out as I go.

            It's different for everyone.
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          • Profile picture of the author myassouline
            Originally Posted by JaRyCu View Post

            Don't feel bad. I did too. I have probably 50 domains between my G-o-d-a-d-d-y and NameCheap accounts.

            -- j
            And what do you do with those?
            do you make a living out of them?
            I have "only" a dozen, and have stopped building more sites just because I think there is no point adding more if none of them brings in at least a little money.
            What are your thoughts?
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      • Profile picture of the author garveyonweb
        Originally Posted by Rose Anderson View Post

        I think he said a "well thought out plan". Not "rock solid and destined to be successful" plan.

        There's a balance between the two. Many people do over analyze and never take action. But many others start out buying ebooks, domain names, and a host of services without having a clue what they're doing.

        The trick is to find the middle ground.

        Rose
        @Rose Anderson. Fair point.

        @JaRyCu. Sure your position has merit. A plan is important. I just think it is difficult to think out a plan as a newbie when you probably dont have enough knowledge in your own head at that stage. I spent an age 'planning' before taking action. With hindsight I think it was actually procrastinating. I started learning when I started doing. Made mistakes, no doubt will make plenty more.

        Agreed Rose did hit the 'sweet spot'. and prob good plan to skip McDs.
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    Good advice and thought provoking
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  • Profile picture of the author retsced
    Unless you define what a well thought out plan consists of, there's no simple answer to this. How much planning are we talking about? Is this person completely new to the industry? Are they the kind of person who gets bogged down with the details instead of keeping it simple?

    Planning is all fine and dandy for someone with enough experience to devise a plan in the first place, but for a total newbie, I'd say pick a strategy, jump right in, and adjust your strategy along the way.

    As for gardens, putting up fences and planting seeds, that's not really a viable comparison to working online. I mean, I can't learn how to drive by reading a book. I can't plan for it. I take the car into a safe open area and just drive. That's how most of us learn to do anything.

    I'm not against planning. For me, it's very important, but for someone who has never experienced marketing online before. They need to just get on with it. Well thought out plans cannot really be set out unless we have some sort of first hand experience to what has, and has not worked for us in the past.

    Also, not everything works out the way we planned it in the first place. We can have greater accuracy though, if we have our past experiences to guide our judgment.

    Most often it's not the planning, or lack of, it's just simply taking action on the wrong strategy. So in that sense, it's wise to think through what you're doing, but that's not the same thing.

    Planning is important, but nothing is a substitute for action.
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  • Profile picture of the author Kal Sallam
    I respectfully disagree.....


    Here is why...

    How is one able to create a solid plan without taking the necessary action required to create such a plan?

    Based on the action you took (trial &error) you will be able to come up with a solid plan.
    You will know what works and what does not,then you plan accordingly

    People learn from their mistakes.

    Taking action can be any of these:

    Plan
    Research
    Learn
    Produce
    Read
    Market
    Sell
    Buy
    Create..etc.
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    • Profile picture of the author WarrenPeterson
      Originally Posted by Kal Sallam View Post

      ... How is one able to create a solid plan without taking the necessary action required to create such a plan? ...
      The reason most fail is that they had no plan and just started doing things. This is true well beyond the IM space here. Most people who start a business with just the idea are going to fail.

      It doesn't matter if we are talking about a restaurant, dry cleaners, etc.... most of those companies did not fail because they didn't take action. They failed because they had no plan and started taking action without direction, and had no clue if they were even on the path towards success up until the day they close shop.

      I coach people on this all the time. They come to me with an idea, and I ask the very basic questions. Who is your market? What need are you filling? What desire are you filling? etc.... the vast majority of people cannot answer those fundamental questions. They have no plan, they are following an idea, chasing what they think is an opportunity. That is a fast path to failure.

      The core concepts of building a business plan (and I'm not talking about a 100 page doc you bring to get financing from someone) are not hard. However, people want to skip past that, which is an error.

      Can some people create success with no plan? Of course. Just like some people can get in the car and drive from New York to LA on side streets and never get lost. But to build a business based on the exception to the rule is not a wise strategy.

      Now if we are talking about just a side gig, something for fun to try, or maybe make a little side income here and there, then sure no plan is fine. Try anything and see what sticks.
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      • Originally Posted by WarrenPeterson View Post

        The reason most fail is that they had no plan and just started doing things.
        Wrong.

        The reason most people fail is not that they have no plan... it's that they dont actually KNOW how to plan or WHAT to plan for at all.... and they shouldn't, since they're indeed newbies! That's why it's important to gain a first-hand feeling on IM by taking action before being able to plan anything at all.

        It's common sense: It's absolutely impossible to plan for something you haven't had any exposure to. At the beginning, gaining that initial exposure by getting your hands dirty is the only way forward.

        To put in blunt: clueless planning is more dangerous than clueless action. That is why that initial -inexperienced- action is crucial: because it gives you some applied knowledge to build your future -experienced- plans from.

        Will you succeed on that first-time -inexperienced- action? probably not, but it will grant you far more intelligence on IM than a full month of -inexperienced- planning.
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        • Profile picture of the author WarrenPeterson
          Originally Posted by Anonymous Affiliate View Post

          No.

          The reason most people fail is not that they have no plan... it's that they dont actually KNOW how to plan or what to plan for at all.... and they shouldn't, since they're newbies! That's why it's important to gain a first-hand feeling on IM by taking action before being able to plan anything at all.

          It's common sense: It's absolutely impossible to plan for something you haven't had any exposure to. At the beginning, gaining that initial exposure by getting your hands dirty is the only way forward, thus -inexperienced- action is so important: because it gives you applied knowledge to base your future plans on.

          Will you succeed on that first-time action? probably not, but it will grant you far more intelligence on IM than a full month of -inexperienced- planning.
          Will have to respectfully disagree with this entirely. The number one reason that companies have gone out of business, for decades, is lack of planning, lack of systems to run the business, and lack of ability to track and monitor the business fundamentals. This has been true for a long time, and will be true for a long time. Business concepts and fundamentals don't change when the medium moves to the online world.

          I can guarantee, with 100% confidence. That if I took 100 people with zero knowledge of anything to do with business and helped them each plan a business model to their strengths, that their success 6 months, 1 year, and 5 years later would absolutely dwarf 100 people who started with zero knowledge and no plan at all. It wouldn't even be close.
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          • Profile picture of the author ajbarnes777
            I totally agree JaRyCu!

            @MissTerrak, that point you made about how learning and research IS taking action is something I always believed, but felt as if nobody felt the same way! Glad I'm not alone.

            What I have done that has helped me are the following 6 steps...

            Step 1 - Figure out what you want to do.

            Step 2 - Research and learn as much as possible.

            Step 3 - Make a preliminary plan based off of what you learned and then take initial action.

            Step 4 - Be prepared for mistakes and learn from them. If you have success, learn from that as well.

            Step 5 - Make another plan. This time it will either be a restructuring plan due to mistakes made, or a growth plan due to success.

            Step 6 - Continue to research and learn so that you can grow even more.

            This is what I've done, and it has worked out well. Unfortunately, I didn't do things like this in the beginning. But thanks to the Warrior Forum, business and entrepreneur communities, books, etc., I learned my lesson and changed my approach.
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        • Profile picture of the author MissTerraK
          Originally Posted by Anonymous Affiliate View Post

          Wrong.

          It's common sense: It's absolutely impossible to plan for something you haven't had any exposure to. At the beginning, gaining that initial exposure by getting your hands dirty is the only way forward.
          I have to respectfully disagree as you contradict yourself in your post.

          First you say "It's absolutely impossible to plan for something you haven't had any exposure to" then you say you think the best thing to do is get exposure by getting in and getting your hands dirty.

          That sounds like your plan is to just dig right in and get your hands dirty for exposure to IM.

          That being said, who in their right mind would build a website without planning to have it hosted. Who writes articles in a niche they're passionate about with out plans of putting them on a website? Who purchases a hosting package without planning on having some sort of website to have hosted?

          Do you see where this is going? Saying not to have any sort of plan at all is completely silly, don't you think? :confused:

          How can you just jump in and get your hands dirty with no idea or plan of with what you will get your hands dirty with? Will it be affiliate marketing, website building, creating your own product? These all are a plan of action of sorts.

          Terra
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    • Profile picture of the author Black Hat Cat
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      Originally Posted by Kal Sallam View Post

      I respectfully disagree.....


      Here is why...

      How is one able to create a solid plan without taking the necessary action required to create such a plan?
      By reading, researching, investigating, learning from those who have done what you're trying to do, etc. I don't have to get lost first and end up in Texas to realize a road map would have shown me how to get from North Carolina to Washington DC.
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    Take Action by building a list guys...
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  • Profile picture of the author retsced
    This is getting silly at this stage. Everyone agrees that you should have a basic idea of what you're going to do to get from point A to point B. That's it. No need to sit down and devise a whole strategy on how to get to point Z. When you have enough experience you can get further into planning, but when first starting out, action is far more important than any plan. We learn more from experience anyway. Both are important for different stages of the game. It's not bloody rocket science.
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    • Profile picture of the author MissTerraK
      Originally Posted by JaRyCu View Post

      I was going to quote a lot of replies and respond individually, but there's just too damned many of you talking in my thread. The post would probably be 2 pages long with just the quotes.

      Let's start with this: To EVERYONE disagreeing with my OP, I completely understand where you're coming from. Until about 5 minutes before I made this post, I had an identical position to you. Check my post history if you don't believe me...I was the first to jump in and say "dude! What are you waiting for?? Get off yer @$$ and go do something!!'

      At lunch today something finally just clicked in my head though.

      Let's give you my personal experiences instead of my using others here. I can get my own stuff right, but I might have misunderstood some of you.

      How many of you know why I never talk about doing CPA/PPC things? It's because I took my own advice, dove in, and started using AdWords without having a clue what I was doing. It took me all of a day to get my account shutdown because I had no plan and I'd done no research whatsoever. I'm now banned for life from using the biggest ad network in the world.

      You've probably seen me tell people NOT to join the War Room. Why is that? When I joined it, I literally spent two days reading post after post after post, downloaded PDFs and zipped files and whatever else I could find. I literally came out of the War Room with probably 50 different ideas of what I wanted to do, and I had to do them all RIGHT NOW. I didn't have time for a plan, I just needed to do it.

      Should we address WSOs? I got started in IM from a WSO of someone I will not name due to the bad blood between us. I bought his program, which was basically glorified autoblogging AFTER the Panda update, and spent 4-5 months trying to get it to work. (This is before I actually joined the WF...I didn't realize there was anything except for the WSO forum here at the time.) When I couldn't get his first program to work, I bought 2 more from him before I realized he took the same information, re-boxed it, and sold it with a nice shinier title on it.

      How about exit strategies? How many of you have pieced together why I work a day job still instead of being a full-time online person? It's because I had no exit strategy or emergency plan with my first business. I quite literally worked that business, which was a retail store, until I was out of product, employees, customers, and money, and all because I had no plan and was desperate to stay in business.

      Do you think that Google, Apple, Microsoft, General Mills, Heinz, or Goodyear make a single move without having a complex plan in place first? They might put out a feeler, but there's even a written plan for that.

      The simple fact is that, if you don't make some sort of plan, you're never going to be successful.

      -- j
      Wow Jason! What did you have for lunch? I bet it was some kind of brain food, huh?

      Seriously though, I'm sorry you had to go through all of what you did, but I can see that you are a much wiser man for it. After all of the lessons you've learned, I'm sure you'll be wildly successful in everything you do from this point forward.

      Thank you for sharing your experiences with us and the wisdom you gleaned from them. Which leads me to your last line...The simple fact is that, if you don't make some sort of plan, you're never going to be successful.

      I love it and think it should be posted right before the exit ramp to enter on to the road of hard knocks.

      Terra
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      • Well, in my financial life, starting from zero while permanently totally blind (but not necessarily blindly feeling my way into and out of things, especially when it involves my family's livelihood), this was the plan I followed and will continue to do so, with credit and network resources growing with each step:

        • Income - Leverage your existing knowledge and skills in specialized markets and in particular situations. Get Sustainable income, and credit and network resources will be bundled with it. Turn your specialized knowledge and skills into specialized expertise. Grow your income...

        • Savings - Build up your savings with your growing income, and growing credit resources will be bundled with it. Grow your savings with your growing income...

        • Assets - Build your asset portfolio with your growing credit resources, and replenish your credit resources with your growing savings from your growing income...

        • Investments - Leverage your growing network resources. Grow your investment portfolio with your growing credit resources. Replenish your credit resources with your growing savings from your growing income. Keep your growing assets, and keep it growing...

        =>> At this point, you can start all over again, since I suggest treating each of your investment ventures with its own overall financial portfolio. You grow your income again, grow your savings again, grow your assets again and be capable of starting new investment ventures, all while your credit and network resources keep growing along the way. And:

        =>> In case something happens unexpectedly that significantly affects your income negatively, you have large credit resources to fill up the void spaces, large network resources to leverage for new investment ventures, large assets to liquidate, large savings to spend, and you keep your, in this case, reduced income for your day-to-day expenses. With your credit, network, investment, asset resources and savings, you'd most likely be miles away from being broke, eating beans from tin cans, sleeping on cardboard boxes and living on the edge as a homeless hype with a bad drug and/or alcohol addiction problem...
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  • Profile picture of the author retsced
    Cool Jay. Do you see what you've started here?

    I spent a whole year implementing a certain strategy before I gave up and went in a new direction. I didn't plan before I started, but I did set goals along the way for completion. I suppose you could say that I did have a plan, but the plan was still based around a strategy that was never going to yield the results I wanted. Now I make a full time income online, and I planned less than I had done in the past.

    I'll just say this:
    I'd rather take immediate action on a proven strategy than plan to implement a strategy that is outdated.

    Oh, and by the way. Anyone who just goes in blind to do something without at least giving it a little thought, is obviously crazy. I don't think anyone is arguing that thinking something through before taking action is a bad idea, they're just saying that you can only think something through to a certain degree with limited experience. This is why the people who fail more often, eventually succeed. If they all had well laid out plans then there would probably less failures and ultimately less success stories.
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  • Profile picture of the author Michael Ten
    So... creating a plan is the action that one should take before taking the action of implementing the plan? Creating a plan or thinking out a plan is still action to take, IMO.
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  • Profile picture of the author GuruZ
    Well said,
    once should start taking action before its too late
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  • Profile picture of the author Jeremy Bratcher
    This is a very wise statement but let me come down on the other side just for argument's sake.

    Take action with or without a solid plan. If you fail, you will be taught a valuable lesson if you are willing to accept it.

    You can get lucky and succeed if you short-sighted plan turns out to be sound. If you end up failing with your plan, you get a chance to learn from your mistakes.

    Otherwise, many of you will just sit around and lurk the Warrior forums all day with out doing a thing.
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  • Profile picture of the author nav123
    I agree with you. Few months ago, I did not have an rock solid plan and was afraid to take action since I was facing information overload. But now I just feel happy to fail as each time I took action and fail I learn a very good lesson. If you are afraid to take action after having a great plan because of the fear of losing money then you should not be doing business. Am I right?
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      • Originally Posted by JaRyCu View Post

        Marx...from what I've read about you, you are someone that ALL of us should be learning from. If I remember correctly, there is a video floating around here showing all of the things you've been through to become successful...it should be a "must watch" for anyone who hasn't seen it.
        Thanks! Ahh, the video documentary of yours truly, yes. It was done by the Asia Pacific Development Center on Disability of the United Nations network (they give it away in conferences about ICT, employment opportunities and inclusive business for people with disabilities), and was uploaded to Youtube by a very good friend, Thomas Ng (owner of Genashtim and former Asea Brown Boveri CEO of Asia Pacific), without my knowledge (which is mighty awesome of course), and here it is:

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        • Profile picture of the author Zend
          Indeed taking action is super important, as we know that many hot competitors out there is already establish a solid marketing system. Planning, Organizing, Action, Controling, it is a basic POAC management. Always make a grand plan first, organize the steps, and take action immediately, don't forget to evaluate your plan after the first result out.
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  • Profile picture of the author Berg Canon
    JaRyCu....anybody ever tell you you look like Glenn Beck?
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    • Profile picture of the author ceenote100
      I think planning and action are the same to the extent that you are actually acting on the plan. But I see what you're saying. You can't take any action without a plan and even when that plan fails, try another one.
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    • Profile picture of the author MissTerraK
      Nope!

      Not even if he shaved his head and put on a pair of sexy specs.

      Terra
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    • Profile picture of the author Michael Oksa
      Originally Posted by JaRyCu View Post

      You think that this

      [Pic #1]

      look like this

      [Pic #2]

      ?

      -- j
      Strange...

      It works if you turn Beck's photo upside-down.

      ~M~
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  • Profile picture of the author Rose Anderson
    I don't know Terra, I think if Jason would just wear a bow tie they could be twins.

    Rose
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  • Profile picture of the author RDInfo
    Originally Posted by JaRyCu View Post

    Take action AFTER you have a well thought out plan.
    I think this is especially important if you plan to have long term customers.
    From my experience, the positionning of your product and the way you present yourself and the way you express yourself are really important parameters.
    For the same solution you try to sell, you can present yourself and express yourself as a :
    ->Arrogant noob who has no experience and repeat the information on the articles of the top serps (no real experience, no personal thoughts, no personal techniques)
    ->"Expert" who thinks he is more important than its customers just because he has a paper with his name written on it. (It just shows his ability to repeat information as their teachers want, sometimes it is useful, sometimes it is not.)
    ->Concerned person who share his experiences, his thoughts, his tests, his results without claiming he can solve every problems.

    When i started IM i was a n°1 and at this time i wasn't aware about the importance of reputation and the traces one can leave on the web.
    For some time i have been a n°3 and it is way better in every aspects.

    The way you present yourself and the way you express yourself can be the difference between happy customers and angry customers even if the information and the price are similar. Strange but if you think about it, it is understandable, it is always better to under promise and over deliver than the other way around.



    Another tip about taking action :
    Each day, you can do what i call "ghost actions", what i mean by that is to research the subject you are interested in, and when you find a page where it is possible to write a comment/answer, keep track of the url and think about how you would have commented/answered (the goal being to help and at the same time to demonstrate that you have knowledge and experience about the subject) But don't write anything on the page, just think about your approach.
    Keep studying books, ebooks, articles, blog posts, forums, Q/A, videos, interviews, seminaries, about the subject and keep testing what you think can be useful, tweak it, add your improvments.
    After a few weeks/months you will be surprised how you know more useful information (principles, rules, techniques) about the subject than most people or "experts" and how you can answer confidently most questions about the subject.
    Of course it is better if you are concerned/interested by the subject.

    That's what i do.
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  • Profile picture of the author Steve Moore
    I LOVED your post. What sound advice! Thank you for posting!
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  • Profile picture of the author David Braybrooke
    I agree that you do have to plan before committing to action yet it is also quite easy to get stuck in the minutiae of over-planning if you are not careful. Some of the biggest successes in life have failed more times than most others, sometimes with quite sketchy plans, but they persisted in their endeavours and ended up as big winners! Learn good info. initially but be brave enough to action it as soon as possible. Action is a habit I find so doing something, doing anything, can add impetus to the action of 'doing'. Sometimes you just have to be brave enough to jump on the bike and start pedalling. Also, it's often impossible to plan everything right from the get-go. Goals and destinations may frequently alter as you progress.

    Switch on your common sense but get moving Now I say!
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    • Profile picture of the author Nightengale
      Good point J! I've basically been saying this for a long time.

      It's popular and trendy to admonish other Warriors to "Take Action!" and "Just do it!' (Or was that Nike? Oooops...) And those threads will get a lot of thanks and "Amen brother!" responses.

      My advice has always been to buy at least one good comprehensive course about IM. Unfortunately, that's never as well received, as people often just don't want to spend the money (or study that much).

      Warriors tend to jump from one $37 e-book to the next, thinking they're going learn to make a fortune. Problem is, most e-books, videos, etc. (if legitimate) focus on a single tactic, NOT an overall plan/blueprint. IM can be VERY confusing. Buying random $37 e-books on every aspect of IM does virtually nothing to help you be successful, because each e-book is usually just one piece of the puzzle.

      You need a COMPREHENSIVE plan.

      Years ago, I purchased an comprehensive IM course for $1500. Most Warriors would pass out at that price. But I KNEW I couldn't keep jumping from one piece of info to another. I just couldn't put it all together myself. Two key points sold me on buying this particular program: 1) the seller had had massive success with the system on her own and 2) there were a ton of success stories from other "REAL" business owners (i.e. NOT people in the "make money online" niche). There were lawyers, nutritionists, pageant coaches, business coaches, publicists, interior decorators, book publishers, coaches, freelance writers, etc.

      When you have clarity, things become MUCH easier. Wisdom is knowing when to spend money and when not to. Investing $$$ in one good comprehensive IM course will more than pay for itself in the time, money and frustration you save.

      Hope that helps!

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  • Profile picture of the author nerdy88
    Wow so much on this thread....I agree with you, you have to have a plan to know where you are going.
    wisdom is knowing what to do next, skill is knowing how to do it, virtue is doing it!!!!!!!

    Plan it, Learn it and DO it!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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  • Profile picture of the author kevinfar
    What I would say is that the plan does not have to be perfect, however, it does have to have solid foundations. There are some things that you can only plan better for with doing and trying out the thing yourself. However, I agree with the majority of your post OP.
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      • Profile picture of the author Komsat
        Great Read! Funny, I read this just at the time I started thinking that I might be taking too much action! It's funny because a lot of what we hear in terms of self development or success training is just that! This is because most people are not action oriented. I was in a Special Operations Center for Enhanced Performance class recently and they gave out a personality test. Well I found out I make decisions almost TOO QUICKLY! So yeah, I agree, too much action without proper strategic planning will take you down a muddy road that is running parallel with a four lane highway!
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  • Profile picture of the author Adamw
    Yes best to plan out and have a think, before you start and not jump straight into things. I lost count of how many domain names I've bought, then 2 days later decided it was a bad choice!
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  • Profile picture of the author crissie
    Apologies to Jay, but "trying" is "experience" for the final plan!
    You can plan your heart out. But when you "try" an incomplete idea (even if you're thinking it IS complete), you get tons of feedback to actually complete your idea.

    Don't be afraid to try!

    If you just plan and replay, you might have missed the best plan somewhere along the way.

    It's like 'practice' vs 'theory'. I learn by 'practice'.
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      • Profile picture of the author RogueOne
        I'm now banned for life from using the biggest ad network in the world.
        Did yourself a favor there buddy.

        I shut mine down myself almost two years ago. It's a waste of time for small businesses.

        On topic: Planning can mean many things. I do my best planning sitting by the river, watching it flow. I don't write anything down, and nothing is carved in stone, but when I'm actually working, the planning I did shows itself.

        I once tried to write a business plan for my mail order business with the help of the SBA. It was impossible for me. My business, and more importantly, I , didn't fit into their standard plan.

        It depends on the individual. Some work better shooting from the hip. Others have to take careful aim.

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  • Profile picture of the author smkmarketing
    The world of marketing is vast and does lead to information overload.
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  • Profile picture of the author hardnova
    I have sprung into action within minutes many times before, no plan in hand, "runnin n' gunnin" and usually, I went nowhere. Failure and age teach you to have a plan AND a backup plan, test both of those, then tweak, then test again to verify, then make a move. Your chances go WAY UP.

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  • Profile picture of the author Mike Hill
    Very well said JaRyCu...

    When I started this journey many years ago. I think just about 9 years now, I didn't have a plan, shot from the hip and made many hundreds of mistakes as a result.

    Sure I had plenty of successes but I had way more failures. In hindsight, if I were to have planned out each project, even just a synopsis of my ideas at the beginning a lot of those failures would have either been successful or NOT even started because I would have been able to see mistakes otherwise hidden from view as I worked diligently.

    As a result of my mistakes I have learned a lot about marketing but it did take me 9 years to learn. For someone starting out, you should take JaRyCu's advice and start with a plan, otherwise you are going to fail more times than not which can be discouraging.

    Sure you'll still have flops and failures but you'll be better equipped to deal with those failures and create a better plan from the knowledge you have gained from your mistakes.
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  • Profile picture of the author dnjoseph1
    Wonderful thread OP! It's amazing what clear, focused action can do for anyone!
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  • Profile picture of the author SuperAlpha
    OP nice post, but a bit of stating the obvious.
    I mean when you tell people to take action you don't just expect them to throw their money and/or time away.
    When I tell someone to take action it means I don't think you need to wait until you get some sort of a master plan all figured out how you're going to succeed. As long as you know the basics just get started, do something, learn as you go, you should expect to fail in the beginning, there's nothing wrong with that, at least you will earn experience and see that it wasn't that bad.
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  • Profile picture of the author LeadGenie
    Wow that really makes so much sense. First you have to learn what your true interests are then take the time to plan it out the right way. Otherwise there is no value there.
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