Is WF no longer free to join?

Hey Mike,

In her defense those links weren't there when she ordered. The techs put the system in place before I knew it and I had to scramble to get those links up.

That's why I saw her order, I was watching them to see if everything was going smooth. As usual not everything did at first

Allen

I do not remember seeing that page prior to paying for the WF membership.

The page I was on did not specify that when I paid the WF regular membership. Even had my son who has been a member of both forums for a long time try to determine.

It's really no big deal, just thought it would be nice to have gotten the credit for what was already paid.

Just wanted you to know I never received an email from you. didn't want you to think I was ignoring you.

I'm a realist, and would prefer not to spend my time coddling or entertaining the whining that come from those with a failing mindset to begin with. Those with a true entrepreneurial spirit aren't thinking "gosh, I wish this was $5 cheaper." They're thinking "s***, I better find a way to make $5 if I want this asset."

The difference between success and failure really is as simple as that, and you don't lower the bar (that at $10 is still extremely low) to let in a few more people that are going to whine and blame others when they inevitably fail.

$10 is nothing...............

If someone does not know how to get or make $10 they have NO BUSINESS trying to make money online.

They will not succeed.

They have to WORK to make money. And if they are willing to work OFFLINE and make $10 then maybe they could work online and make more.

But not being willing to work and earn or knowing how to come up with a measly $10 is crazy.

There really is no excuse honestly. I can maybe see someone in a poor third world country where $10 translates to like $50 or $70 dollars, being a problem possibly.

But honestly, if someone can't come up with $10, then they have lots of broken work principles in the first place. And those need to be addressed before they try and do internet marketing.

I mean no offence by what I have said, because I am sure there are some situations not covered by my statement, but overall what I have said is the honest truth.

This is true. It's easy for me to say that if you can't come up with $10, you shouldn't be in business anyway or buying WSOs, but there are plenty of people in other countries where $10 is a big deal and they have the same aspirations and dreams as those of us who think of $10 as chump change.

I still don't disagree with charging for membership, but I think the WSO forum needs the transparency of customers being able to post. Not everything posted in the WSO forum is a support issue that should be taken to offsite support... and not all sellers respond to their support queries, leaving the buyers no recourse at all if they aren't a paid member.

Here's a recent WSO that convinced me not to buy:
Seller has what appears to be a great product. First page great reviews. Second and third page, buyers begging for their license keys over and over for days. Nothing but the sound of crickets from the seller in that WSO.

Finally, some started filing Paypal disputes. Seller comes back and acts so surprised to see everyone not getting license keys. Vows to resolve it.

Buyers continue to post that their not getting their license keys.

This was a product that I wanted and decided not to buy.

Another case:
This one I bought. Software didn't work from day 1. People started posting that software didn't work and buyers were bullied and badgered by the seller to use their support forum. The problems weren't being addressed via the support forum and buyers continue to post that software is not working. Buyers are told that it's being worked on and to be patient. Most, including myself were patient. So patient that the opportunity to file a Paypal dispute has passed.

Bottom line: This seller got to keep all the money, the product never worked and still does not work and seller continued to post new WSOs even while the sh%t storm from this product was ongoing.

For me, I don't read what appears to be canned reviews, but it is very obvious when a product is not what it is advertised to be or not working or a blatant ripoff. The landslide in the WSO is unmistakable.

Sid, They are. Anyone caught without a working means to contact them off this forum gets their offer closed until that situation is changed.

That info is not required to be in the thread itself. Some folks only use email, and don't want their address posted.

General comments...

A few people are confusing access with transparency.

Buying from ads posted here is open to everyone. Posting here is not, at least not any more. That does not mean we're suddenly going to have reviews slanted one way or the other by the system. Just that there will likely be fewer of them, and they'll tend to be from more serious people.

Comparing this to eBay's system is a bit off, as eBay doesn't allow things like asking questions publicly before buying, and the reviews are not part of the page that offers the product(s). As far as I know, it is also not possible on eBay for someone to comment on a product they have not purchased.

I find it interesting to watch how ANY change is viewed as "bad." For example, a huge number of sellers, buyers, and just plain browsers complained vigorously and often about the alleged fake reviews and other abuses made possible by free members being able to post in the WSO section. Now there are complaints that they won't be able to do that...

Yes, that's what it amounts to.

I cannot think of any way at the moment to allow random non-members to ask questions, and then allow only paying non-members to post reviews. I'm sure it's possible, but it would still leave that whole section open for the previously mentioned abuses.


Paul