Is it just me? Suspicious about Purchasing a Service from a Member that just Recently Joine WF?

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I have been around WF for several years and have experienced seeing members get banned and then show back up under a new disguise (name). I think that it is just too easy for them as all they have to do is use a different email and name.

WF has been around for a real long time! If these vendor are "Experts" in their field of the service they are offering then why would they just now be finding WF to offer these services to?

It makes me wonder if they are just learning about WF (probably Not) or have tarnished themselves recently and come back with a different mask on.

There may be other reasons for being an expert and being new here but I am really having a hard time wrapping my brain around it. Its just Too Damn Easy for the unscrupulous to change masks.
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  • Profile picture of the author cwill184
    deckman, it is easy for people to change their identity, but also there are people who may well have had previous internet success but had not heard about WF. I know I had been marketing on the internet, only through Adwords with success for years before I found WF. I only found it because I wanted to start to learn SEO, which I have never had time to do before.

    I know what you mean about buying of new members though, I am going to need some web design and coding for a new project of mine and I know I only want members who have been on here for a while and are recommended for me to do the work for me. I don't think I would go straight to a new member selling me something.
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  • Profile picture of the author iJonathan
    Try to get samples of the tasks done earlier by the member. Buying from someone new need not always be a incorrect decision, if the member can prove to you conclusively that he can deliver results.
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  • Profile picture of the author deckman
    WOW didnt know that recently joined members would be the first responses I got. Not saying that this is a bad thing though as it gives me a little insight from the new comers.

    cwill184 shoot me a PM as I may have the right guy for you. I have used this one and have had a great experience.
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  • Profile picture of the author EllesBelles
    Am I new? I can't remember how long I've been here but it feels like a while!

    I lurked for a while, trying to learn everything before I commented. I'm still quite quiet now - there are plenty of people with more experience and knowledge than me, so I tend to just absorb their knowledge. I'll contribute when I know I can help.

    The things I'm good at are things I was always good at - writing and social media are like breathing for me, so I don't really see them as internet services.
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  • Profile picture of the author yukon
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    Originally Posted by deckman View Post

    I have been around WF for several years and have experienced seeing members get banned and then show back up under a new disguise (name). I think that it is just too easy for them as all they have to do is use a different email and name.

    WF has been around for a real long time! If these vendor are "Experts" in their field of the service they are offering then why would they just now be finding WF to offer these services to?

    It makes me wonder if they are just learning about WF (probably Not) or have tarnished themselves recently and come back with a different mask on.

    There may be other reasons for being an expert and being new here but I am really having a hard time wrapping my brain around it. Its just Too Damn Easy for the unscrupulous to change masks.

    I was successfully doing IM 4 years before I knew Warrior Forum existed.

    I'm in the hobby/small-business niche, I don't sell to IMers. I found this forum from a link someone had posted on the "Digital Point" forum, I liked this forum better, so I joined.

    I'm very sure I'm not the only person that knows their way around IM before they found this site. Like I said, I never started looking for anyone else interested in IM for at least my 4th year.


    I'm sure there's scammers signing up with multiple forum names, not much you can do without proof. If you don't think someone is legit, stay away from them & whatever they sell.
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  • Profile picture of the author Abul-Hussain
    I know people who do six figures off the WF and I sent them here, to add another revenue stream to their income.

    I personally wouldn't deal with a new user, unless they are endorsed by a few reputable members here. If I still get scammed after that, I can't blame myself for not doing basic due diligence.

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    • Profile picture of the author DenisBalitskiy
      Originally Posted by Abul-Hussain View Post

      I know people who do six figures off the WF and I sent them here, to add another revenue stream to their income.

      I personally wouldn't deal with a new user, unless they are endorsed by a few reputable members here. If I still get scammed after that, I can't blame myself for not doing basic due diligence.

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  • Hi Deckman,

    In my opinion, due diligence is always necessary when you're buying anything on the Internet or even from offline establishments. I for one carefully study the reputation of the freelancer or the service company or the product manufacturer/developer in and outside the WarriorForum, before I purchase something from that person or company or product manufacturer/developer. About the other things you mentioned, let me point out one of the many reasons why some are just starting to contribute and possibly find mutually beneficial business partnerships with other members here:

    What I'm going to say now is all in the video that's linked by my sig, which was produced by the Asia Pacific Development Center on Disability of the United Nations and was uploaded by Thomas Ng, who is the owner of Genashtim and former Asia Pacific CEO, for more than 25 years, of Asea Brown Boveri, the world's biggest power engineering firm ---

    Cherry (my wife) and I built our company from scratch by initially working with a corporation (Paretologic) as freelancers, after I emailed a proposal to them. Barely a few months thereafter, they were asking me to hire more. My wife and I didn't have a company at that time, so we registered one and got the license to operate a few weeks thereafter. Barely a year thereafter, our company then grew from four work at home moms and dads, Cherry and I included, into an ICT outsourcing company here in Manila with more than 140 inhouse employees, individual subcontractors and subcontractor company partners combined. And, from 2005 to 2009:

    We helped Paretologic's carrier product, RegCure, to become the world's best selling Windows System Registry cleaner software OF ALL TIME in 2007...

    The point I'm driving here is:

    We went here to contribute (we still try to do so) and possibly strike mutually beneficial business partnerships with some of the members here (which we have been doing since 2010). This was when we opened new departments for non-corporate and per-batch-order buyers, on top of our corporate department, because the economic downturn (early 2010) forced two of our then eleven corporate clients that had long term contracts with us to reduce the volume of their contracted services, so we had to adapt to the changing business environment because of the downturn in the global economy. This is in my opinion just one of the many reasons why service providers and product developers and companies are just starting to go here to contribute and possibly strike mutually beneficial business partnerships with other members...
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    • Profile picture of the author deckman
      Originally Posted by Marx Vergel Melencio View Post

      Hi Deckman,

      In my opinion, due diligence is always necessary when you're buying anything on the Internet or even from offline establishments. I for one carefully study the reputation of the freelancer or the service company or the product manufacturer/developer in and outside the WarriorForum, before I purchase something from that person or company or product manufacturer/developer. About the other things you mentioned, let me point out one of the many reasons why some are just starting to contribute and possibly find mutually beneficial business partnerships with other members here:

      What I'm going to say now is all in the video that's linked by my sig, which was produced by the Asia Pacific Development Center on Disability of the United Nations and was uploaded by Thomas Ng, who is the owner of Genashtim and former Asia Pacific CEO, for more than 25 years, of Asea Brown Boveri, the world's biggest power engineering firm ---

      Cherry (my wife) and I built our company from scratch by initially working with a corporation (Paretologic) as freelancers, after I emailed a proposal to them. Barely a few months thereafter, they were asking me to hire more. My wife and I didn't have a company at that time, so we registered one and got the license to operate a few weeks thereafter. Barely a year thereafter, our company then grew from four work at home moms and dads, Cherry and I included, into an ICT outsourcing company here in Manila with more than 140 inhouse employees, individual subcontractors and subcontractor company partners combined. And, from 2005 to 2009:

      We helped Paretologic's carrier product, RegCure, to become the world's best selling Windows System Registry cleaner software OF ALL TIME in 2007...

      The point I'm driving here is:

      We went here to contribute (we still try to do so) and possibly strike mutually beneficial business partnerships with some of the members here (which we have been doing since 2010). This was when we opened new departments for non-corporate and per-batch-order buyers, on top of our corporate department, because the economic downturn (early 2010) forced two of our then eleven corporate clients that had long term contracts with us to reduce the volume of their contracted services, so we had to adapt to the changing business environment because of the downturn in the global economy. This is in my opinion just one of the many reasons why service providers and product developers and companies are just starting to go here to contribute and possibly strike mutually beneficial business partnerships with other members...
      Marx, WOW! What an inspirational video. I have always tried to find the positive in a situation instead of the negative and I really like the way you put it: "Ask How instead of Why". Be a problem solver and not a problem finder comes to mind here also. I hope you see this thread as I am asking how instead of why.

      I believe that you have an advantage over most as you are able to visualize the forest instead of just the trees.

      Thanks for your in put here and congrats for your success!
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  • Profile picture of the author sbucciarel
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    I don't care what kind of history a seller has off of this forum. If they are new here and don't contribute in the discussions, there's little chance that I will be interested in what they have to sell. I usually buy from signatures of people I know and trust rather than browsing the WSO forum.
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  • Profile picture of the author deckman
    I have had trusted friends tell me that warrior forum has a lot of snake oil salesmen. I have had the chance to do biz with some of them and get screwed. Even if you are able to get a refund, the process you have to go thru to do so leaves you feeling like it was a waste of time and not to mention all the mud slinging can make you look bad.

    I have made a lot of Valuable Contacts here also that have helped me move my goals a little closer to where I am aiming so I "Will Not Count the WF Out" of my plans.

    I am really glad I started this thread as it has already given me valuable insight as we as letting me see that I am not the only one with similar views.
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  • Profile picture of the author dostoy idiot
    I was scared about buying from a new member, but at least you guys make a good argument for why they might be new but experienced. Thanks
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  • Profile picture of the author Michael Oksa
    Suzanne and BIG Mike are right on target. It's not how long someone has been here, it's how well you know them. And the way you know them here is through their contributions to the forum.

    There are always a few new members who come in and you can just tell that they know their stuff. I would be more likely to buy from a contributing member who joined a month go, than from a non-contributing member who has been a member for 10 years.

    That may not be fair in some ways, but it's the way it is.

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  • Profile picture of the author obin94
    It does bring up some suspicion, however some people just don't have time for forums or don't realize how powerful forum are and still could have great products to sell.
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  • Profile picture of the author J Bold
    If you're suspicious of someone or don't trust them, don't buy from them.

    Simple as that.

    There are people who just joined who are completely legit, but do your due diligence.
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  • Profile picture of the author seobro
    I believe we should address this issue. Fiverr has a rating score. Hey, even ebay has one. It is time WF steps up. Like we need to start rating vendors on their level of service. Otherwise I will continue to only buy cheap WSO items with money I can afford to throw away. Risk is a lot less with an established power seller that has built a solid reputation over may years. Always look at a sellers rep.
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    • Profile picture of the author deckman
      Originally Posted by seobro View Post

      I believe we should address this issue. Fiverr has a rating score. Hey, even ebay has one. It is time WF steps up. Like we need to start rating vendors on their level of service. Otherwise I will continue to only buy cheap WSO items with money I can afford to throw away. Risk is a lot less with an established power seller that has built a solid reputation over may years. Always look at a sellers rep.
      So do you think that WF admin could actually do better than the star rating system they have? Maybe this is over rated? A vendor could actually manipulate it.

      Now if we had a just a area that you go to that compiles All experiences (Good or Bad) that buyers have had with vendors But then we come back to the point of what I started this thread about.
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  • Profile picture of the author embrown
    I've been doing business online for a little while now and I've been burned before. I give most people some slack, because I know how hard it is to get started and gain a trustworthy reputation. But at the same time so many things can happen. An old account can be sold to and used by a scammer, someone who had a decent track of good business could suddenly go bad or anything, really.

    Personally, I would start with something small, then gradually move up as I gain trust with the person. Also, I wouldn't put up any money that I can't afford to lose. (I learn the last part the hard way!)
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  • Profile picture of the author asha91
    That's why many newbies offer review copies or trial offers. However, I can see why older members can be skeptical and I don't fault them. The Internet is a place where it is best to err on the side of caution. Doesn't make it easier for newcomers like me though!
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  • Profile picture of the author gabysanchez225
    In the warrior forum credibility is king. If you stand by what you do, contribute, and help people out you'll reap the rewards. So to everyone lurking, don't be afraid to chime in, you just might have something important to say!
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    • Profile picture of the author Michael Oksa
      Originally Posted by J Bold View Post

      If you're suspicious of someone or don't trust them, don't buy from them.

      Simple as that.

      There are people who just joined who are completely legit, but do your due diligence.
      Exactly right, J! People have to do their own due diligence, or it isn't due diligence at all.

      That's why a WF rating system is such a lousy idea, in my opinion.

      Originally Posted by seobro View Post

      I believe we should address this issue. Fiverr has a rating score. Hey, even ebay has one. It is time WF steps up. Like we need to start rating vendors on their level of service. Otherwise I will continue to only buy cheap WSO items with money I can afford to throw away. Risk is a lot less with an established power seller that has built a solid reputation over may years. Always look at a sellers rep.
      I detect a hint of tongue-in-cheekness here, but wanted to respond anyway.

      I already mentioned why a rating system is a bad idea, but we actually have something MUCH better already. It's the ability for buyers to leave real feedback right in the WSO thread itself. That beats any simplified rating system in my book.

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  • Profile picture of the author shipwrecked
    Originally Posted by deckman View Post

    I have been around WF for several years and have experienced seeing members get banned and then show back up under a new disguise (name). I think that it is just too easy for them as all they have to do is use a different email and name.

    WF has been around for a real long time! If these vendor are "Experts" in their field of the service they are offering then why would they just now be finding WF to offer these services to?

    It makes me wonder if they are just learning about WF (probably Not) or have tarnished themselves recently and come back with a different mask on.

    There may be other reasons for being an expert and being new here but I am really having a hard time wrapping my brain around it. Its just Too Damn Easy for the unscrupulous to change masks.
    I think that there are plenty of experts who have recently joined this forum. Until now they might have gravitated around other forums.
    The fact that they recently joined doesn't prove anything anything.

    From outside it's very hard to see who joins twice under a different name...
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    • Profile picture of the author deckman
      Originally Posted by shipwrecked View Post

      I think that there are plenty of experts who have recently joined this forum. Until now they might have gravitated around other forums.
      The fact that they recently joined doesn't prove anything anything.

      From outside it's very hard to see who joins twice under a different name...
      You are correct in saying that it dosent prove anything but like they say in CSI "dont leave town in case we want to talk to you again."

      I was just making a point that a lot of new comers here giving their sales pitch and to just jump in and do business with them may not be the best option till you do your
      due diligence.
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  • Profile picture of the author deckman
    The whole reason that i brought this thread up is because i felt like I was scammed a bit when i paid out some big $ here and the warrior became a little unresponsive.

    After not getting a response to my emails thought that maybe he he was just on a short leave till I got a email from another company telling me they had taken over the accounts since there were some affiliates using their services were not doing right.

    Well after a few weeks I finally got my product but it was not acceptable work. They had taken a piece of work i had and hacked it up pretty bad to the point that i wouldnt put my name on it.

    This whole deal became a little fishy smelling when i then started looking in to it to find that they were both using the same PP account. I flagged a WF moderator and they chose not to pursue the issue for what ever reason.

    I went thru PP dispute process and they did refund all my money. I still watched as this vendor was being very abrupt to any customers that came on their thread trying to get them to make right any claims they had against them.

    Karma can be a bitch and vendor was finally Banned.

    You try to prudent but at times its easy to get caught up in the shinny object syndrome and forget to do your Due Diligence.
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    • Profile picture of the author Brian Tayler
      Originally Posted by deckman View Post

      The whole reason that i brought this thread up is because i felt like I was scammed a bit when i paid out some big $ here and the warrior became a little unresponsive.

      After not getting a response to my emails thought that maybe he he was just on a short leave till I got a email from another company telling me they had taken over the accounts since there were some affiliates using their services were not doing right.

      Well after a few weeks I finally got my product but it was not acceptable work. They had taken a piece of work i had and hacked it up pretty bad to the point that i wouldnt put my name on it.

      This whole deal became a little fishy smelling when i then started looking in to it to find that they were both using the same PP account. I flagged a WF moderator and they chose not to pursue the issue for what ever reason.

      I went thru PP dispute process and they did refund all my money. I still watched as this vendor was being very abrupt to any customers that came on their thread trying to get them to make right any claims they had against them.

      Karma can be a bitch and vendor was finally Banned.

      You try to prudent but at times its easy to get caught up in the shinny object syndrome and forget to do your Due Diligence.
      Glad you got your money back. I'm always cautious online regardless or who or where I order. Unfortunately its a fact of business when not face-to-face with the seller.
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      • Profile picture of the author deckman
        Originally Posted by Brian Tayler View Post

        Glad you got your money back. I'm always cautious online regardless or who or where I order. Unfortunately its a fact of business when not face-to-face with the seller.
        I guess that I was fortunate as PP told me that they normally do not refund on intangible items but since I was a long time customer in good standing with them that they would this one time.

        I think that some vendors know that PP usually dont give refunds on the intangibles so it gives a sheister the edge if they want to turn out sub-par work. The bad thing is these guys know how to come back and sign up under a different name and here they go again.
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  • Profile picture of the author khooster1
    To be frank, I have bought bad WSOs from very senior Warriors with 2000+ posts.
    You have to give your own judgement when buying,

    After a while, you will be more experience to tell which WSO is a good potential help to your IM works.
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  • Profile picture of the author TryBPO
    Unless it's an established brand/service that's well known, I try to buy from "real" people. People that are active/engaged on Twitter, people that have facebook accounts with "real" friends and conversation, etc.

    It's fairly easy to be anonymous/fake online and, if I can't easily Google you and see that you're a real person, I won't bother doing any business with you.

    Same goes for clients. Some of our WORST experiences of emailing back and forth or even taking on new clients came about when they were anonymous. F--- That...real or nothing now. :-)
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    • Profile picture of the author WillR
      Originally Posted by TryBPO View Post

      I try to buy from "real" people. People that are active/engaged on Twitter, people that have facebook accounts with "real" friends and conversation, etc.

      It's fairly easy to be anonymous/fake online and, if I can't easily Google you and see that you're a real person, I won't bother doing any business with you.
      Says the guy with a cartoon as his profile picture...
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      • Profile picture of the author TryBPO
        Originally Posted by WillR View Post

        Says the guy with a cartoon as his profile picture...
        Ouch! Lol, you got me! :-) #nailedit
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  • Profile picture of the author kelvintoro
    I understand your concern. This is the Internet, where lots of people fake their identities. And yes, it's easy to create a new account. Even IP blocking won't really work if the person knows how to work around that.

    I also prefer dealing with people on the Internet who have a good reputation already. But I'm also aware that there are new guys who are good and there are good people who turn bad. So it's really up to you. Follow what your instinct is telling you. If you aren't comfortable in dealing with someone, then don't deal with that person.
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  • Profile picture of the author Eternal
    I am a new member, but would not scam or rip off anyone. I am a member of a popular forum that I use for most of what I need, but found myself reading here sometimes. Well, today I decided to join.
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    • Profile picture of the author butters
      Dude your not the only one, if the person has just joined the WF then I feel they need to go above and beyond to win me over. If a person has been posting here for years, got lots of thanks etc... then I already feel that I can trust them more because they have been here longer and have actually contributed.
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  • Profile picture of the author JasonBennet
    I will personally check the last few forum posts that they have make in the forum to check the quality of the posts that the forum member has made. But despite that, there are some warriors who are very experienced but they seldom post on the forum.

    But nontheless, I think it is the reputation of the person that counts as there are some warriors who have many posts but they are not providing good services.
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