Outsourcing:The worst/best part of successful IM...

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Personally, I am having a nightmare trying to outsource successfully.

All the 'gurus' say to be successful in IM and to take it to the next level, you have to outsource all your mundane/tedious tasks.

Well, its all good in theory, but have any of you put it into practice?

It is almost impossible to find a team of capable people, let alone train them in your way of doing things.

It is almost coming to the point of me giving up on this whole IM thing.

You know what needs to be done, but you can't be everywhere at once, you try to outsource these tasks and the work is never up to scratch and you end up doing it yourself anyways...

I feel like a hamster going round and round in a wheel.

Any advice from anyone who has been through what I am going through now and has come out of it in one piece?
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  • Profile picture of the author Sagar Mehta
    Hello MarketPro,

    Sorry to hear about that. Like ProductCreator said above, don't give up just yet.

    I've been on both sides, that is, I've been hired and I have hired others so I can understand how frustrating it can get - especially when you expect something to be done and it isn't finished by the deadline.

    The first question I would ask you is where did you hire the person(s) from? Secondly, where exactly do they fall short? Is the work not up to the mark or have they not finished the work at all?

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  • Profile picture of the author Adenrele Laguda
    Originally Posted by ProductCreator View Post

    Hey Marketpro, first of all NEVER give up!

    Secondly, yes I do think it takes outsourcing to reach the million dollar mark. But to reach a thousand or two per month doesn't at all. You certainly don't need to outsource to go full-time so if you haven't already gone full-time (sounds like you haven't) then I would advise you to stay away from outsourcing for the time being.

    I think the key point here is that it's impossible to do it all yourself and you need to delegate eventually if you want continual growth in your earnings, month on month, year on year.

    What have you outsourced so far? There is a lot of value in virtual assistants as you have a single person doing many tasks, rather than dealing with 10 different people on a freelance site. I also recommend getting Tim Ferris' 4 Hour Work Week. He was burned out selling supplements over the internet and outsourced it all.
    I've got Tim Ferriss's book, this is where I first learnt about outsourcing. I am also an avid reader of Chris Rempel's work and follow his affiliate marketing strategies to the letter. The plan is to make a bit of money from affiliate marketing and then move into product creation and use the leveraging of affiliates to make BIG money.

    Why is it so difficult just to get people to write good content, put it on templates I provide and I even give laymans terms instructions.

    I have been on getafreelancer, elance and most of the people are a bunch of clowns, unreliable, don't speak english etc

    I think you do need to outsource to make $1000/$2000 per month...
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    • Profile picture of the author Sagar Mehta
      Originally Posted by MarketPro View Post

      Why is it so difficult just to get people to write good content, put it on templates I provide and I even give laymans terms instructions.
      Damn, is that frustrating! I can understand how you feel. Some of the people I've worked with can't go from step 1 to step 2 in something as simple as copying and pasting content from a website into a Word document. Don't know what makes them think they'll make a good assistant.

      Originally Posted by MarketPro View Post

      I have been on getafreelancer, elance and most of the people are a bunch of clowns, unreliable, don't speak english etc
      I have had better luck on RentACoder.com. Some good writers and programmers on there.

      If you could let me know some details on the kind of work you need to get done (say, your latest project), I could possibly connect you to someone on my team. : )

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      • Profile picture of the author Adenrele Laguda
        Originally Posted by Sagar Mehta View Post

        Damn, is that frustrating! I can understand how you feel. Some of the people I've worked with can't go from step 1 to step 2 in something as simple as copying and pasting content from a website into a Word document. Don't know what makes them think they'll make a good assistant.



        I have had better luck on RentACoder.com. Some good writers and programmers on there.

        If you could let me know some details on the kind of work you need to get done (say, your latest project), I could possibly connect you to someone on my team. : )

        Sagar
        I am gonna do a review site, I have got a writer, I need help just putting the content, picture and links onto a template I provide.

        Simple!
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  • Profile picture of the author ElysiaB
    I know and understand your frustration!

    I think everyone who's been knee-deep in the IM world for awhile probably can relate too.

    It can be hard in the "virtual" world to get any level of commitment or loyalty from your staff. I realised this SO fast!

    One thing I've found is that a smaller team can be far more effective than having one person for x task, one person for y task, one person that works once a week, one person that only commits to x amount.

    I've cut my team down drastically to only the people I KNOW will commit full time, always turn in their work on time, always produce quality - a team I can really build an organisation-feel from.

    Other than that it kind of is a trial and error sort of world. Some you hire will be (for lack of a better word) crap but then you find a shining star (I've had one for 8 months now and she is AMAZING)

    Look for referrals from WF members, clients, friends.
    Look for reviews on Elance, GAF etc
    Look for examples of their work
    Do smaller test projects to test them
    Start on min' pay and give gradual raises for continued loyalty and great work

    Hope that helps
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    • Profile picture of the author Adenrele Laguda
      Originally Posted by ElysiaB View Post

      I know and understand your frustration!

      I think everyone who's been knee-deep in the IM world for awhile probably can relate too.

      It can be hard in the "virtual" world to get any level of commitment or loyalty from your staff. I realised this SO fast!

      One thing I've found is that a smaller team can be far more effective than having one person for x task, one person for y task, one person that works once a week, one person that only commits to x amount.

      I've cut my team down drastically to only the people I KNOW will commit full time, always turn in their work on time, always produce quality - a team I can really build an organisation-feel from.

      Other than that it kind of is a trial and error sort of world. Some you hire will be (for lack of a better word) crap but then you find a shining star (I've had one for 8 months now and she is AMAZING)

      Look for referrals from WF members, clients, friends.
      Look for reviews on Elance, GAF etc
      Look for examples of their work
      Do smaller test projects to test them
      Start on min' pay and give gradual raises for continued loyalty and great work

      Hope that helps
      A pajama jammy jam???? lol

      Thanks for the positive feedback Elysia, maybe you could refer me to a few good people you know...

      I want to have a team of my own, and go full throttle with this IM thingamajig

      ROCK ON!!
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  • Profile picture of the author Brad Gosse
    Outsourcing projects one-by-one works for me.
    Staff leasing does not.

    When outsourcing, I like to put jobs up for bid and hire a different writer each time unless I find a good one to work with me.

    When it comes to staff I hire them to work at my office. Then they get the guidance they need.

    One thing I like to do is put every process into a binder of process manuals. THat way if I ever replace someone their job is systemized. You can PDF the process and give it to someone offshore if you want but I prefer english speaking employees who understand their job beyond the book.

    Good luck with your business
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  • Profile picture of the author drmani
    Originally Posted by MarketPro View Post

    Personally, I am having a nightmare trying to outsource successfully.

    All the 'gurus' say to be successful in IM and to take it to the next level, you have to outsource all your mundane/tedious tasks.

    Well, its all good in theory, but have any of you put it into practice?
    I wrote about this to my list a few days back.

    You might find it interesting (even useful)!

    About Working IN Your Business
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    All success
    Dr.Mani
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    • Profile picture of the author Adenrele Laguda
      Originally Posted by drmani View Post

      I wrote about this to my list a few days back.

      You might find it interesting (even useful)!

      About Working IN Your Business
      http://aweber.com/b/fK5V

      All success
      Dr.Mani
      Hmmm...

      I read it, doesnt make sense to me.

      All I need is content written, sites made, and I promote them.

      But this seems to be difficult for people to understand.

      I am an affiliate marketer, I just want to build as many sites in different niches as possible and promote them, and make as much commissions as possible.

      HAPPY DAYS!

      I need a team to help me with this, as i can't do it all myself.

      This is what I am struggling with...
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  • Profile picture of the author edpudol1973
    I believe what gurus always say that to move to next level of IM you need to outsource leg works.

    I have proven this to many of our customers who are constantly acquiring our services. It always depend on where you outsource your leg works.

    Don't waste your time training people, then later on they will leave you after you trained them, hire people who are already trained to do what you need them to do for you.
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  • Profile picture of the author jedz
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    Sorry to hear your bad experience in outsourcing.

    I need to admit that outsourcing is a bit risky. There are lot of things that you need to consider when you decided to outsource your project or your work. The first priority should be the sample and references so you could check their work.

    If you could give me the details of your needs, I would be more than happy to help and give you the best offer.
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    • Profile picture of the author Brandon Tanner
      Hey MarketPro,

      Outsourcing is great once you've developed relationships with the right professionals, but doing so often takes a lot of trial and error, time, and patience up front.

      I PM'd you something I think will be of some help!
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  • Profile picture of the author jayden.fellze
    You can start outsourcing if you already have enough of the earnings to be able to pay a good writer or an SEO or a linkbuilder. You are also the one responsible to choose the very best who can work with what you expected. Outsourcing can be of an advantage if you have worked with the right people, and almost often they will help you boost you business to increase your revenue.
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  • Profile picture of the author sjacobs77
    I'm also in the process of ramping up my outsourcing. It's definitely not as easy as some claim. Like any business, finding good people isn't easy. I think it's a matter of trying several/many people, keeping the good ones and chucking the rest. The key is not to get discouraged until you get to that point.
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  • Profile picture of the author dndoseller
    Actually I had great luck with good people on elance, and right here on warrior forum. I am having some articles written as I sit here writing to you.

    It takes a while to know right away if a provider is good or not. For instance I expect someone to respond to my inquiry within the hour.
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  • Profile picture of the author MeTellYou
    I have outsourced very successfully in the past. The secret lies in telling the freelancers specifically what you need as you post a job on one of the freelancing sites. I like to use Custom Web Design and Programming. Freelance Programmers. Outsource Web Development Outsourcing

    Thanks,
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  • Profile picture of the author Adenrele Laguda
    It seems everyone here has had different experiences with outsourcing.

    There is no doubt that outsourcing when done correctly will help you to live the internet lifestyle much faster than if you tried to do everything yourself, i.e become a jack of all trades.

    One should be working on your business not in it...

    For now, I am solely concentrating on affiliate marketing, I started seriously in August 2008, and it took until February 2009 to cash my first clickbank check.

    I know what to do, I have sporadic sales here and there, but to really ramp things up I need to outsource.

    In the next six months I want to move on to product creation.

    I have been on GAF, elance, met one or two decent people, but these days I tend to work with people from the warrior forum, and I have met some real gems here.

    I suppose it is because we are all marketers here, so we all have a similar idea of what needs to be done to get ranked higher in the search engines, which will lead to more sales.

    Anyways, enough from me

    The struggle continues... lol
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  • Profile picture of the author nunos
    I do believe outsourcing is the smart way to go about Internet Marketing.

    You can get the work done cheaply, effectively and quickly in order to have time to dedicate it to what you like doing and have more experience doing.

    Most of the times, the difficult part is to find a good place to outsource.

    Just my 2 cents.
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  • Profile picture of the author urbt
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    You need to make sure you're outsourcing the right things - there are some areas of business that can be outsourced easily - for example, anything to do with writing and graphics design. However, when it comes to promotion, it's a bit harder to outsource effectively.

    Check my sig.

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