36 replies
Hey guys, my brother is very, very good texas holdem online poker player.
Now i got some ideas to get that all online, his tutorials, scripts, live support, softwares, coaching etc, because he really know his shit, and he used to make around $9-10k per month for one UK company.

Now he got enough money working for them and he started to work for himself.

I know it is probably potential and very good niche to make money, but i just want to hear your thoughts, other side, about everything.

If you see product like that would you become an affiliate?
If you see product like that will you buy it? etc..


Just to get some picture for my next steps, based on your thoughts.


Thanks!
#guru #holdem #texas
  • Profile picture of the author Brian Tayler
    What can he offer that isn't already out there? I'm not saying he cant... I'm saying THAT needs to be your focus. PokerStars.net has the draw of big poker players on TV wearing their material. You need to be able to compete with that... meaning you have to have something big to offer. Can he "outplay" Stu Ungar or have stories of playing against legends like Johnny Chan or Chris Ferguson?

    This is how i'd position it at least...
    {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[7292489].message }}
  • Profile picture of the author Michael Franklin
    Poker is still a very hot niche!

    Your brother should focus on building a blog where he shares his strategies and tips as well as his recent poker playing experiences.

    While he builds up the site, he should definitely develop a Poker Strategy PDF that he can promote on his blog as well as through affiliates on CB or other networks.
    Signature

    {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[7292526].message }}
  • Profile picture of the author Marko Vel
    He has 5 years experience playing texas holedm poker for one UK company, and he decide to make his own business, because he feel he is capable for it.
    So we will provide pure quality and we will focus on lower prices for start.

    I think in general people will be interested
    {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[7292968].message }}
  • Profile picture of the author talfighel
    Poker is a HOT niche.

    Michael said it right. He should build a blog and also should offer an opt in newsletter where he shares his ideas and secrets to this subscribers.

    As for affiliates, he should for sure get as many as he can. After someone buys his program, he should integrate the affiliate program as part of the offer meaning he should let everyone on his customer base to be able to join his affiliate program too.
    {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[7293017].message }}
    • Profile picture of the author Marko Vel
      Originally Posted by talfighel View Post

      Poker is a HOT niche.

      Michael said it right. He should build a blog and also should offer an opt in newsletter where he shares his ideas and secrets to this subscribers.

      As for affiliates, he should for sure get as many as he can. After someone buys his program, he should integrate the affiliate program as part of the offer meaning he should let everyone on his customer base to be able to join his affiliate program too.
      Yes i thought about the same thing, but that mean a bit higher price... not sure
      {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[7293969].message }}
      • Profile picture of the author kencalhn
        it's a great niche; I've even won my first hold-em small-table tournament last summer in Vegas, however for info products I'd just affiliate-sell stuff by top WSOP bracelet winners, since that's what sells... i wouldn't hit the niche cold without being someone who's final-tabled at the WSOP myself. my favorite guy I've learned a lot from is Daniel Negreanu, his site at pokervt dot com is the best instructional one I've seen. And the twoplustwo forums are a great place to hang out and see what's on poker players' minds.
        {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[7294085].message }}
  • Profile picture of the author Roan
    yeah poker is still popular and people will be interested but what people say above is that you will have to compete with many and even with pokerstars so how are you gonna do that? You will need to have something that seperates him from the others. Unique selling point.
    Signature

    Are You Looking For a High Quality Shopify + FB ads Course? PM me. - Only available for ONE person. Be Quick.

    {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[7293037].message }}
    • Profile picture of the author Marko Vel
      Originally Posted by Roan View Post

      yeah poker is still popular and people will be interested but what people say above is that you will have to compete with many and even with pokerstars so how are you gonna do that? You will need to have something that seperates him from the others. Unique selling point.
      That's right, Unique selling point + Real quality, not some crappy CB product.
      {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[7293955].message }}
  • Profile picture of the author CyberSorcerer
    I'm make pretty good money at poker myself and the problem you're going to run into is if I don't know your brother's name or haven't heard of him I'm probably not going to buy his product, course, etc.
    {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[7293881].message }}
    • Profile picture of the author Marko Vel
      Originally Posted by CyberSorcerer View Post

      I'm make pretty good money at poker myself and the problem you're going to run into is if I don't know your brother's name or haven't heard of him I'm probably not going to buy his product, course, etc.
      He was the number one player in his country according to his ex company, but yeah that's not enough and no he probably is not so famous

      We will offer also 60 days money back guarantee or something like that, and we will guarantee to our clients stable monthly income or money back.

      I think that can be enough for start?
      {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[7293935].message }}
  • Profile picture of the author Delsworld
    I would make a membership site solely poker related. He can install scripts so members can play poker with each other to build skills. On top of that comes added revenue from his products, advertising on the site, coaching fees, and poker related affiliate commissions.
    Signature

    Get PR1-PR8 Contextual Links From Actual PR Pages.
    Permanent, Homepage, Relevant Niches From $1 per Link! $50 Bonus here

    {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[7294074].message }}
  • Profile picture of the author Andy Fletcher
    First off product...

    It's not enough to just be good at something like that. To sell an info product on a topic like that, he's also got to be able to teach. Think of the difference between Green Plastic and Muddy Water back in the day on Card Runners. No one ever finished watching a Muddy video even though GP was only a marginally better player.

    Nuff said.

    Getting it started -

    Get blogging from day 1. Poker is hot, there's tons of traffic and all you need to do is tap into it. Even if all he does is a cool hand analysis once a day every day, that'll be more than enough content to get things moving.

    Build a list -

    He needs to write something interesting or record some videos that are awesome quality. If the free material on the blog is good enough this will easily turn people into subscribers to get the ebook/video. Bam, you have a list and you're already creating daily content they are interested in.

    Monetize -

    The easiest first thing to do is push the traffic from the poker list at sites like CardRunners.com that have established affiliate programs. That'll bring some money in while other stuff gets made.

    Next up, big ticket coaching program. You absolutely have to have a big ticket backend for something like this to work. If your brother has the skills to take someone from piddly middlestakes to $1k NLHE+ he can easily charge $1k+ a month for an hour a week on the phone.

    Finally, funnel. Once he's got some ABC monetization and the big ticket in place you can start to produce packages. Individual ebooks, videos or just a membership site deal. The fact that everyone knows he has a $1k a month coaching program will, on it's own, add the authority to sell cheaper products that don't require his individual input.

    That should get you started.
    {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[7294126].message }}
  • Profile picture of the author wAvision
    I, myself have played online poker full-time in the past, and have made a decent amount of money doing so.


    If your brother was actually #1 in his country, I am sure he is well known online?

    Here are what great players do to make money online:

    - Membership sites (monthly fee for tips, training etc). Promote and review different card rooms as an affiliate on the site...

    - Review hand histories (player sends his or her hand history, your brother would review and comment on how each hand was played, how to improve, how to get max value, what the optimal play is for each street, talk about hand ranges, EV, pot odds, implied odds, effective stacks, game flow etc...again if he is good he knows about this idea)

    - put a coaching thread up on twoplustwo (dot) com

    - Make training videos, where he comments on each hand he plays and the reasoning/theory behind his plays, again talk about topics mentioned above for the hand histories (can sell single videos, offer packages, monthly memberships etc...)

    - Him and a few other coaches can run a poker boot camp, people sign up to get together for a week or two and all stay in a house, teach poker live in person, have fun, go out at night etc...poker players love these type of things.

    - I assume he has a nice sized bank roll and life roll built up, he can offer a staking service where he stakes players who are solid, up and coming, that may not have the money to play as high as they can and need a "backer". (he supply's them with money and sets terms up such as what stake the player will play, what % of the profits he gets, how often he gets paid etc...he knows about this as well - ask him)

    Not sure what form or forms of online poker your brother plays - MTT's, HU, Cash, Sit and Go's etc...But there are ways to promote his statistics (roi, avg stake, avg profit/game, total profit...) via tools such as sharkscope, pokertableratings, pokerprolabs, which will help with getting students, assuming his stats are impressive.

    Again your brother should know about everything I mentioned in this thread, so maybe you can sit down with him and get a plan together?
    Signature
    They Say You Can't...Show Them How
    {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[7294209].message }}
    • Profile picture of the author Marty S
      Originally Posted by Marko Vel View Post

      Hey guys, my brother is very, very good texas holdem online poker player.
      There are many, many good, even better, world class poker players that already have training. Usually they are part of a massive training site where a subscriber's buck goes much, much further due to a wide array of training media and a variety of professional level teachers. Honestly there are probably only a handful of players in the world right now that can open their OWN training site and get top dollar for it. I guarantee your brother is not on that list.

      Probably a better angle would be to build a list using free training (PDFs and videos) and then work out an affiliate arrangement with one of the huge successful training sites already in operation. I did this myself in fact before the bottom fell out of the online poker world.


      Originally Posted by Michael Franklin View Post

      Poker is still a very hot niche!.
      Originally Posted by talfighel View Post

      Poker is a HOT niche.
      Originally Posted by Roan View Post

      yeah poker is still popular
      Originally Posted by kencalhn View Post

      it's a great niche;
      Apparently none of you have heard that US based online poker players have effectively been outlawed from playing online since April 2011. This has not only caused a drastic drop off in player volume, but also sent many poker marketing affilate businesses (including my own) into a deep, dark and immediate tailspin since then. (Here is a good search term for you: Black Friday Poker)

      Imagine losing more than 75% of your potential client base in a single morning morning. Then you may understand why making money as an affiliate in online poker is not exactly a prudent strategy at the moment.

      Originally Posted by Marko Vel View Post

      He was the number one player in his country according to his ex company
      Does not make sense. Poker Sites will not publish such information unless the player involved is marketing for the company already.
      {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[7294322].message }}
  • Profile picture of the author Sarevok
    First, let me just say that I've always believed there's two games every man should master.

    The first is chess, the second is poker.



    I fancy myself a great poker player, and have made some good money.

    I also have a friend who made a god damn fortune with online poker, and realize full well its feasibility.

    As far as a poker affiliate site, it could definitely work.

    The only variable of consideration really, is the legality.

    Here in the states I hear conflicting reports as to whether or not it's a legit "make money online" system, and it keeps teetering back and forth.

    I remember my friend crying cause he got shut down on one of his favorite poker platforms, but I don't have much additional information.

    I can tell you that it's absolutely profitable, and a great way for lots of college kids around the country to make some good money. (Especially if they're good at math).

    So, check the legalities, check with a real lawyer, because the money is definitely there.
    {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[7294436].message }}
  • Profile picture of the author MojoHelpdesk
    I agree with Marty S.

    I was a professional online poker player in the US until the gov't essentially shut things down last April. I can tell you that even before the US crackdown that the online poker market was glutted with instructors (both good and bad) trying to make money off of ebooks, training websites, etc. Now things are even worse, with essentially 70% of the global market shut off from online poker.

    If he can make money playing online poker, I wouldn't waste time trying to monetize his skills in the ways you described. Usually the hourly payoff isn't there.
    {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[7294451].message }}
    • Profile picture of the author Sarevok
      Originally Posted by MojoHelpdesk View Post

      I agree with Marty S.

      I was a professional online poker player in the US until the gov't essentially shut things down last April. I can tell you that even before the US crackdown that the online poker market was glutted with instructors (both good and bad) trying to make money off of ebooks, training websites, etc. Now things are even worse, with essentially 70% of the global market shut off from online poker.

      If he can make money playing online poker, I wouldn't waste time trying to monetize his skills in the ways you described. Usually the hourly payoff isn't there.
      This dude speaks a heavy truth.

      That is, if 70% of the people are shut off, there goes the real money.

      You won't make money playing poker from the hardcore poker gurus.

      You make money off of those 70% newbies.

      The MLB baseball players who pay $500,000 and loses it all.

      The poker newbie who drops $1,000 on a hand and loses.

      The tens of thousands poker fans who watch poker on TV thinking they'll make it big and lose their shirt.

      That's where the money is.

      That 70% will destroy feasibility if it's gone.

      Just my $.02
      {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[7294478].message }}
      • Profile picture of the author wAvision
        Originally Posted by Sarevok View Post

        This dude speaks a heavy truth.

        That is, if 70% of the people are shut off, there goes the real money.

        You won't make money playing poker from the hardcore poker gurus.

        You make money off of those 70% newbies.

        The MLB baseball players who pay $500,000 and loses it all.

        The poker newbie who drops $1,000 on a hand and loses.

        The tens of thousands poker fans who watch poker on TV thinking they'll make it big and lose their shirt.

        That's where the money is.

        That 70% will destroy feasibility if it's gone.

        Just my $.02
        He was not stating that you cannot make money playing online poker anymore, he is just mentioning that online poker lost US players, therefore entering this niche may not be worth it right now.


        There are still tons of "newbies" aka "fish" everywhere, and always will be...


        Yes, edges are becoming smaller and the competition is stronger than it was years ago, but it is survival of the fittest and all about adapting like with anything else, that is why training sites and coaching programs sell so well.


        When online poker becomes regulated within the US, it is inevitable that there is going to be another "poker boom", as there was several years ago....probably bigger, so keeping this niche/idea in mind might be a good idea? stay tuned...
        Signature
        They Say You Can't...Show Them How
        {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[7294585].message }}
  • Profile picture of the author Michael Franklin
    Many of the online players that were affected by Black Friday have transitioned into live play at local card rooms. Many of them are surfing the net in between hands on their smartphones so the market is still huge.
    Signature

    {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[7294626].message }}
  • Profile picture of the author kencalhn
    I am going to be a player in the niche myself, with aff mktg and blogs etc later, but not til online poker is made legal here in the US; good point about black friday killing the market; though it's still popular for brick and mortar play vs online, the loss of online caused a big hit in the industry. I'll be waiting til it gets legalized for online play, if it does; before doing anything in that niche. So not going to do anything other than say get photos of me winning small stake tournaments in Vegas casinos etc to credentialize myself, in the interim. Likely 2014 before I do anything in that niche, fwiw, since that'll likely be the earliest online is legalized. Magazines like Bluff are good to read, and the twoplustwo forum threads.

    Today's poker tip: Right as you go all-in during final table play, say "watch this" to the dealer; it's fun to intimidate the heck out of the other players.
    {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[7294678].message }}
  • Profile picture of the author Marko Vel
    Guys thanks a lot, for all replays.

    What's my general idea.
    We are from Europe and we want to focus global, not only on US or any other specific country.

    Also we want to provide PDF, videos, coaching, live sessions etc only for texas holdem not for poker in general, because my brother worked for UK company, and they have offices in various countries and my brother was the best texas holdem player for them, for their company, from his country.
    He really made a lot for them, and he can continue working for them but it's always better if you have your own business, not to work for someone else, and i hope you can agree here with me.

    So in general i think there is a space for quality, and real tutorials, because our main weapon is to stick with a client until he made his first money, which i doubt they can get with other busy and expensive poker gurus.
    Also i think that is a good opportunity for affiliates because they can get good and long term commission.

    I know how hard competition is, but if you provide quality and if clients see how you really care for him and his investment i think business will go viral, without much affiliates and other marketing.
    {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[7294679].message }}
    • Profile picture of the author Marty S
      [DELETED]
      {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[7294830].message }}
  • Profile picture of the author dengkane
    I once bought several books on Texas Hold'em, from Amazon and online.

    It's a hot market several years ago, but now it is becoming restrict especially in USA, and I don't play online poker anymore.
    {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[7296629].message }}
    • Profile picture of the author cashp0wer
      I think he could do good. I love to play Texas holdem and play on pokerstars all the time. I would love to see his site if he gets it up and running.
      Signature
      My Internet Marketing Blog - Warts And All!
      {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[7296707].message }}
      • Profile picture of the author Marko Vel
        Originally Posted by cashp0wer View Post

        I think he could do good. I love to play Texas holdem and play on pokerstars all the time. I would love to see his site if he gets it up and running.

        Thank you, i hope we will make it asap.
        {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[7297926].message }}
        • Profile picture of the author leighs31
          Go social first and do some networking. Some free reports and getting people started. Some nice little intro's on youtube. If your bro builds relationships well then this is the beginning that you should start with. Interact and see where the issues are then produce some reports on how to get over them. Always good to give first before you take.
          Signature

          Shocking FREE REPORT Reveals How To Effortlessly Eliminate The Google EMD Penalties And Rank Higher And Faster In Just 5 Days Flat - Get Your Copy Now
          {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[7297944].message }}
          • Profile picture of the author Marko Vel
            Originally Posted by leighs31 View Post

            Go social first and do some networking. Some free reports and getting people started. Some nice little intro's on youtube. If your bro builds relationships well then this is the beginning that you should start with. Interact and see where the issues are then produce some reports on how to get over them. Always good to give first before you take.

            Yes that's a part of strategy, to go on socials first.
            {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[7304751].message }}
    • Profile picture of the author Marko Vel
      Originally Posted by dengkane View Post

      I once bought several books on Texas Hold'em, from Amazon and online.

      It's a hot market several years ago, but now it is becoming restrict especially in USA, and I don't play online poker anymore.

      What was the price for books?
      {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[7297924].message }}
  • Profile picture of the author Stuart Walker
    There's so many poker sites and resources out there that you need to be doing something unique or just doing whatever the other sites are doing but 10x better to stand out. Maybe if you're brother is a well known name on the poker scene with a bit of a following he can monopolise that to get people visiting his site but simply putting up a poker resource site isn't enough unless you can really deliver something people haven't seen before.
    {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[7298698].message }}
    • Profile picture of the author Marko Vel
      Originally Posted by RockingLastsForever View Post

      There's so many poker sites and resources out there that you need to be doing something unique or just doing whatever the other sites are doing but 10x better to stand out. Maybe if you're brother is a well known name on the poker scene with a bit of a following he can monopolise that to get people visiting his site but simply putting up a poker resource site isn't enough unless you can really deliver something people haven't seen before.

      All i need is first 10-20 clients, after that i;m sure we will have viral business
      {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[7304756].message }}
  • Profile picture of the author foenyxly
    This is what I have to say about Poker...

    1st: Strategy
    2nd: Luck

    If I were to continue playing poker every weekend,, I would have a $3000 monthly income....but I chose to quit. Why? You may ask, because gambling is not how I want my kids to see me...Even ask Jerry Yang Poker Start who won a $8Mil pot...
    {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[7302372].message }}
    • Profile picture of the author Marko Vel
      Originally Posted by foenyxly View Post

      This is what I have to say about Poker...

      1st: Strategy
      2nd: Luck

      If I were to continue playing poker every weekend,, I would have a $3000 monthly income....but I chose to quit. Why? You may ask, because gambling is not how I want my kids to see me...Even ask Jerry Yang Poker Start who won a $8Mil pot...

      As i saw so far, i can say poker is pure number game, pure math.
      {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[7304761].message }}
      • Profile picture of the author jeffreydale
        Originally Posted by Marko Vel View Post

        As i saw so far, i can say poker is pure number game, pure math.
        It is a game of skill (in the long run), but mostly luck.

        You can know how to play every hand, and the mathematics of it, but that all goes to waste if you keep getting dealt garbage hands. To win in poker you have to have the BEST hand or at least make people think you do. You can't generally win if you're dealt low off suited cards every turn.

        You can have pocket aces, and someone rivers a 3 of a kind deuces. It happens all the time. You could had played the flop, and 4th street absolutely perfectly, but luck beat your mathematics.

        Not saying that there is no skill in poker at all. Just that luck > skill. Even a fish can beat Phil Ivey if he sucks out.

        -JD
        Signature

        Full-time entrepreneur | YouTuber | Ecom Coach | Social Media Expert
        https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCn6...is36wfg/videos

        {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[7304867].message }}
  • Profile picture of the author AlfredKo
    Does he makes the money from online poker sites or traditional casinos?
    There's a difference.
    {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[7305253].message }}
    • Profile picture of the author Marko Vel
      Originally Posted by AlfredKo View Post

      Does he makes the money from online poker sites or traditional casinos?
      There's a difference.

      Texas holdem poker only.
      {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[7308589].message }}

Trending Topics