Is this Clickbank strategy workable?

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Here is the plan for my main Clickbank strategy. Write reviews of various health related Clickbank products and add them to my site. I will add these reviews to my site on Wordpress Pages of the site, not the main blog section as I don't want these reviews to be part of the main content on the site. I don't want my regular readers to be able to see them. I could perhaps review 30 to 40 products.

I am hoping some of these reviews will start getting some traffic from Google and other search engines through long tail. I will also do a bit of linkbuilding directly to these articles on top of the fact that it should receive some rankings because they are already part of a decently trafficked and pretty well-established site.

In terms of the reviews, I am thinking about 400 to 600 word reviews. Should I include an image of the Clickbank product in the review or just a review with link to the Clickbank product page near the end of the article?

Part of this strategy is to also do some article marketing by submitting to Ezine and Isnare and then link to the product page in the author resource box. Will this likely work?

Can reviewing affilaite products like Clickbank hurt sites as far As Google is concerned? If you start adding too many reviews to a content site, maybe Google will start seeing it more as an affiliate site than a content site.
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  • Profile picture of the author Alexa Smith
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    Originally Posted by Anton543 View Post

    Is this Clickbank strategy workable?
    It wouldn't be workable for me, at all. If I did that, I wouldn't ever make any more then the very occasional, semi-random sale.

    There are three primary essentials for selling ClickBank products. They're listed and explained in this post: http://www.warriorforum.com/main-int...ml#post7110523

    Your proposed strategy seems to me probably to fall seriously short of all three of them. Sorry.

    Originally Posted by Anton543 View Post

    I am hoping some of these reviews will start getting some traffic from Google and other search engines through long tail.
    They might, but it won't help much, because that just isn't "how ClickBank products are sold".

    Originally Posted by Anton543 View Post

    Part of this strategy is to also do some article marketing by submitting to Ezine and Isnare and then link to the product page in the author resource box. Will this likely work?
    No; not at all.

    Isnare is apparently dead anyway: http://www.warriorforum.com/main-int...e-working.html

    And nobody's selling many ClickBank products by direct linking from EZA articles.

    For all the reasons explained in this post, no article marketer would want their potential customer traffic seeing an article in Ezine Articles.

    That isn't who those articles are there for, at all.

    It isn't how article directories work: http://www.warriorforum.com/main-int...ml#post5068872

    Originally Posted by Anton543 View Post

    Can reviewing affilaite products like Clickbank hurt sites as far As Google is concerned?
    I don't even know. The reality is that it doesn't matter, because you can't sell them that way, anyway. This is, in short, the kind of strategy tried by so many of the people who start off the threads here saying "ClickBank is dead", "Article Marketing is dead" and all the other nonsense. Sorry, but that's the way it is.
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  • Profile picture of the author Anton543
    Thanks for the explanation point by point. It helps. Regarding article marketing, I meant link to the Clickbank reviews on my site from the author box, not to the merchant's product page. In any case, I would probably link to main content through article marketing rather than to Clickbank reviews. I will also do a bit of regular link building, but in all honesty, this site generates good amount of natural links.

    As far reviews are concerned, I thought reviews were one of the best ways to generate sales by pre-selling the product.

    I have been told many times that it was good idea to review affiliate (not clickbank) on my site and then link to the review page from other parts of the site.

    Alexa, in your definition, what is an odd sale? What kind of numbers constitute the odd sale?
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    • Profile picture of the author Alexa Smith
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      Originally Posted by Anton543 View Post

      Regarding article marketing, I meant link to the Clickbank reviews on my site from the author box, not to the merchant's product page.
      That's potentially going to give you a better chance, but I still don't know anyone who sells numbers worth talking about of ClickBank products without list-building. You need to establish a relationship with potential customers, based on credibility, respect and trust. Clearly you can't do that with one article and a link to a sales page/hoplink. I suppose it could (just about) be argued that you have a chance to do it, or at least to start to do it, by having them visit a content-rich, value-packed, useful, helpful, interesting website. But I can't even sell them that way, myself, without a list.

      It would be a silly approach, in my opinion, to go to all the trouble of doing that and not opt them in and build a list.

      How do you keep people returning regularly to your site, without having a list? (Very few people buy a ClickBank product at their first visit to a sales page, so you have to be able to do that!).

      How do you make repeated sales to the same customers, as an affiliate, without a list? (That's where most of the money is, in affiliate marketing!).

      Originally Posted by Anton543 View Post

      I will also do a bit of regular link building, but in all honesty, this site generates good amount of natural links.
      All that can ever bring you is search-engine traffic, though?

      I've been doing this for 4 years, in 8 different niches, and would absolutely hate to try to build a business based on selling ClickBank products to SEO traffic. For me, it's invariably the worst-converting kind of traffic there is. :p

      Not to mention the most precarious kind, of course ...

      Originally Posted by Anton543 View Post

      As far reviews are concerned, I thought reviews were one of the best ways to generate sales by pre-selling the product.
      This hasn't been my experience at all.

      Originally Posted by Anton543 View Post

      Alexa, in your definition, what is an odd sale? What kind of numbers constitute the odd sale?
      To be honest, my instinctive reaction to your proposed strategy is that you'll barely make any sales at all with it (I know I wouldn't, and I know several people who've tried it and literally not made a sale at all, at the various points at which they've discussed it with me), but I try to cultivate the habit of "toning down" what I say here and being less outspoken than comes naturally to me.

      Let's not get confused here between "ClickBank products" specifically and "affiliate products" in general, though. I'm referring to something like "informational e-books at $37/$47/$67/$97" when I say "ClickBank products" (that being the kind of thing I typically sell, myself). I'm not suggesting that what I've said above applies (for example) to Amazon products (which I also sell, now, and they're a whole different ball-game, of course. I know that it is possible to sell Amazon products without list-building. I still think it's generally far from an optimal approach, though, myself).
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  • Profile picture of the author Anton543
    You say this strategy isn't workable but I have generated decent amount of revenue from posting links to merchant's product pages at the end of a handful of articles on my site. My CB revenue should approach $1,500 this calender year. I just think this will intensify it by actually incorporating reviews (as up to this point, I've not done any reviews).

    My problem is that I have looked at the web with a blinkered eye because I always given myself the impression that nearly all of the world's traffic comes via the search engines (other than links and banners on sites). I know social marketing has exploded in the last 2/3 years, but its easy to think how almost everyone looks for information through the search engines.

    But judging by the huge amount of traffic people get through PPC campaign for even as low as penny a visitor (I am guessing this is not Adwords), where do these ads appear that leads people to the target sites?

    I just don't know if I have the patience to do PPC campaigns. For me, my aim has always been to increase SERPS and get some traffic through links on other sites. I am now focusing also on driving traffic from social media. But even just this gets the better of me.
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    • Profile picture of the author Alexa Smith
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      Originally Posted by Anton543 View Post

      You say this strategy isn't workable but I have generated decent amount of revenue from posting links to merchant's product pages at the end of a handful of articles on my site.
      On your site, ok. Well, you've done well, then. Just think how well you might do by building lists.

      Originally Posted by Anton543 View Post

      My CB revenue should approach $1,500 this calender year.
      Well ... ok ... at $25/$30 average commissions (I'm pulling a number out of the air, here, with no idea what you're selling), that's about one sale per week, isn't it?

      Originally Posted by Anton543 View Post

      My problem is that I have looked at the web with a blinkered eye because I always given myself the impression that nearly all of the world's traffic comes via the search engines
      Yes, I hear you. (You're by no means alone, there!).

      Originally Posted by Anton543 View Post

      I just don't know if I have the patience to do PPC campaigns.
      They have advantages and disadvantages.

      I have some experience with them - not a huge amount, at all.

      The great advantage is that if you find something that works well, it tends to be scalable, at least up to a point.

      They suit people with patience and an enthusiasm for "detailed analysis", certainly.

      Originally Posted by Anton543 View Post

      For me, my aim has always been to increase SERPS
      Not a major aim of mine, though to be honest I have astonishing rankings (they astonish me, anyway, because I do so little "aimed at SEO" but these days the value of backlinks on quality, relevant sites, which you get through article syndication, can certainly be dramatic).

      Originally Posted by Anton543 View Post

      and get some traffic through links on other sites.
      Surely a very good aim, here? Because you're dealing with some highly targeted traffic that way, without having to do the targeting yourself? But surely you'd want to keep as high a proportion of that traffic as possible, having attracted it to your site? I struggle to see any sense at all in not list-building, if you're doing that.

      Originally Posted by Anton543 View Post

      I am now focusing also on driving traffic from social media. But even just this gets the better of me.
      I don't even know enough about "social media traffic" to discuss it productively; sorry. I may be biased, but I certainly don't instinctively think of it as being "highly targeted traffic for 30-40 health niche products" ...
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  • Profile picture of the author spujap
    All I can say is quality niche blog + list building (best way, but complimenting it with an authority niche blog works brilliantly) is perfect way for click bank.

    Product review pages - I recommend to generate targeted users to these pages via PPC. If you are thinking to get traffic to review pages from Google, always you'll find though competitors.
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  • Profile picture of the author wlasikiewicz
    For your method to work you would have to do ALOT of SEO work with no real guarantee of a sale.
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    • Profile picture of the author Anton543
      Originally Posted by wlasikiewicz View Post

      For your method to work you would have to do ALOT of SEO work with no real guarantee of a sale.
      But I imagine I might get some traffic to these pages by way of adding the reviews to an already pretty established site. But I am worried that if people come directly from the search engines to a review page, the user might just hit the back button since they will probably want to land on a content page, not review. What do you think?

      But then again, in most cases, the products I review will be about products that are very targeted to some of highly trafficked pages and therefore the review will not be standalone page but rather linked to from the at end of the content page. And any direct traffic to the review page will be a bonus, but I do suspect people who go to

      So I am thinking the best way to review the product is not to mention the product until the middle and towards the end of the review. If people coming on from search and rightaway notice its a review of a product, the chances of exiting the site is high.
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  • Profile picture of the author Anton543
    Yes, I will be getting into list building but first I need to spend a week or two to learn up about it so I do it well.

    I came across a site where a pop up appears when you first visit the site and you get this, 'Join our newsletter and get exlcusive deals & upto 90% off coupons on -------- ------- ---------.' together with name and email field in the form near the bottom. Would this be regarded as list building?

    Which kind of ppc networks are people using to buy ads at ridiculously low rates? I really can't imagine it to be Adwords, as competitive bidding on such a large network will make it near impossible to get those kind of rates. Where do these ads appear?
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    • Profile picture of the author Alexa Smith
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      Originally Posted by Anton543 View Post

      I came across a site where a pop up appears when you first visit the site and you get this, 'Join our newsletter and get exlcusive deals & upto 90% off coupons on -------- ------- ---------.' together with name and email field in the form near the bottom. Would this be regarded as list building?
      Yes.

      (It's not exactly something I'd do, myself, but it's undeniably list-building.)

      I don't know the answer to your PPC question. Would like to see others' replies to it, though, since I ought to know it, and am interested, but can only guess, myself - which doesn't help anyone.
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  • Profile picture of the author kingroom
    The method will definitely work if you are prepared to overcome impatience and frustration which SEO ll probably give
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  • Profile picture of the author Anton543
    I think I will do the reviews in a way that it doesn't scream 'review' right from the off, and that, together with list buidling, should hopefully hold me in good stead. I am gradually becoming less dependent on Adsense for revenues. But a long way to go.

    Regarding the list building, if its associated with a site (as it will be in my case), is the database of members stored in cpanel, and where do you construct the email you send out? Sicne my site is Wordpress, will it be within WP admin or separate? I am not sure if there are plugins to integrate it within Wordpress, so everything can be managed from one location?
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  • Profile picture of the author Randall Magwood
    You should just build a list and promote your products there. Get a website, hide the affiliate link behind it, and lead subscribers to your affiliate offers - after you have conditioned them to it in your emails.
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  • Profile picture of the author Anton543
    What do these two CB figures mean?

    Avg rebill total and Avg %rebill
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    • Profile picture of the author Alexa Smith
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      Originally Posted by Anton543 View Post

      What do these two CB figures mean?

      Avg rebill total and Avg %rebill
      They both apply only to recurring billing products and exclude the initial sale in their calculation.

      Average % rebill is just the average commission rate earned on the rebills.

      Average rebill total is the average total amount of money earned, per customer, by affiliates, from rebills (from which you can estimate for how long the average customer remains subscribed, which is a hugely important thing to be able to estimate).

      Be careful, though: these figures can sometimes be a little misleading, if the rebill price has changed during the period over which they were compiled. In these cases, they'll often include some at one price and some at another, with no way of knowing how many of each contributed to the "average".
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  • Profile picture of the author Anton543
    How much significance should someone pay to the 'gravity' figure. There is an enticing and relevant product with a commission of $75 but extremely low gravity (half of 1%). Am I right to think its not really been generating sales of late?
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    • Profile picture of the author Alexa Smith
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      Originally Posted by Anton543 View Post

      How much significance should someone pay to the 'gravity' figure.
      Not very much, on its own.

      Four posts that might help:

      Gravity High or Lower - Which Sells Best & Why?
      Understanding Clickbank Gravity
      Clickbank and gravity
      Clickbank gravity - is there a sweet-spot here?

      Choosing products with high gravity scores was one of the reasons I earned nothing for about 4 months when I started. I started earning when I changed my mind about that. "Just saying".

      Selecting the product

      Originally Posted by Anton543 View Post

      There is an enticing and relevant product with a commission of $75 but extremely low gravity (half of 1%). Am I right to think its not really been generating sales of late?
      Probably, yes. It's possible that there's only one affiliate who rarely sells one, and last made a sale a month ago (that would give a gravity of 0.5). But that isn't necessarily a reason not to promote it. You won't have much competition, perhaps, which can be good? It depends why it hasn't really been generating sales of late?

      It's also possible that the vendor regularly sells thousands of copies without an affiliate being involved at all: those don't count toward the gravity.

      Originally Posted by Anton543 View Post

      extremely low gravity (half of 1%)
      For the record: gravities are not percentages: it's just a "number".
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  • Profile picture of the author MrDay
    I've had a lot of success from sniper sites and mini niche sites for CB products. Also with make money blogs, and I throw in a review of a good CB product once in awhile.

    CB reviews work well, really well!

    Search engine traffic (paid or organic) is the highest converting traffic ever, if you don't agree, then you're just getting the wrong traffic.

    Get a review on the 2nd position on the first page for any good and popular CB product for the actual products name or a top "buying word" and you'll make good conversions.

    This is how I do it.....

    Either I create a site around a sub niche or for a particular CB product.

    Let's say I was creating a sniper site around a niche, and let's say it's for WP themes.

    I choose a good relevant domain name for my site, then I do about 5 reviews on the top WP themes.

    I then send traffic and backlinks back to all of my individual reviews and get them landed on the first page of Google for their best buying keywords (usually product name).

    Most of my seo and content creation is outsourced to.....

    content:
    fiverr
    wlmarketing
    hirewriters
    odesk
    textbrokers

    seo
    seo maximus
    backlinks bliss
    fiverr
    wl marketing

    Make sure to add an optin form, too. This way you can catch them back end sales later on and convince your subscribers to finally make a purchase.

    Convincing Copy

    I usually always only promote products/services that I've used and experimented with beforehand. Also much research is put into each review and I always show the benefits and what i liked and didn't like. MAKE your review PERSONAL. There's millions of reviews online, what makes yours different? Think about what kind of review do you search for before you make a purchase. Have that same mentality when you're writing your reviews.

    Another thing I do is give them options. If I'm doing a review for a particular offer and I really didn't like it or I know of better alternatives I'll leave a few affiliate links to these other options or to their competitors. (trust me, this works)

    cheers!
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  • Profile picture of the author Anton543
    MrDay,

    Good to hear you've had a lot of success this way as its rather similar to what I am planning to do. I've not done the reviews yet but have had moderate success off my content by having a few links on a handful of pages at the end of the article, albeit these pages do get significant amount of traffic.

    I think I am going to get a professional review writer to do my reviews as they will be better at preselling the product but in honest and impartial way. I'll tell them to research the content very thoroughly before doing the reviews.

    How long are your reviews? I suppose this will depend on the product being reviewed, but is there an ideal length before people start losing interest in the review?
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    • Profile picture of the author MrDay
      Originally Posted by Anton543 View Post

      MrDay,

      Good to hear you've had a lot of success this way as its rather similar to what I am planning to do. I've not done the reviews yet but have had moderate success off my content by having a few links on a handful of pages at the end of the article, albeit these pages do get significant amount of traffic.

      I think I am going to get a professional review writer to do my reviews as they will be better at preselling the product but in honest and impartial way. I'll tell them to research the content very thoroughly before doing the reviews.

      How long are your reviews? I suppose this will depend on the product being reviewed, but is there an ideal length before people start losing interest in the review?
      My reviews probably average around 800+ words.

      Yeah, people have short attention spans but when the review is written more personally, then they'll want to read the whole thing.

      Personally, meaning, instead of writing a review just like the salespage, you write I liked how the product helped me with this and after so many days using the product it did this, etc....

      Call to action

      But I also make most of my reviews half personal review and half sales page. All the boring stuff my personal story with the offer and some of the features are in each review, but I also highlight what I want them to see. (look at a good sales page you'll see what I'm talking about) you need to make sure you add some form of "call to action".

      E.G. if the offer has a free trial, I'll add an image that just flat out says try wp theme for free today, or something along those lines.

      Another thing I do is in the middle of my review I add an affiliate link to my offer but my anchor text will say, click here to watch video, or something similar. The visitor see these call of action images or links from the corner of their eye right when they land on my review, and they just have to click on it usually before they ever even start reading my review.

      I put a call to action on top and at least one more at the bottom.
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  • Profile picture of the author MrDay
    Sorry, I wish I could give you some examples from some of my sites, and I even had to take them out of my sig.

    To many peeps were starting to copy me and it's been adding to my competition in the serps lately. hehe

    cheers!
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  • As MrDay mentioned, Fiverr is one good source. Regardless of the niche (though the more popular or general-interest, the better), I would pay someone $5 on Fiverr to tweet the link to your sales page, or affiliate link. Find someone with at least 2000 or more Twitter followers, so even if just 1 or 2 people buy, you at least make your $5 back. Probably takes less time than writing reviews and might be just as effective, if not more effective.
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    • Profile picture of the author Anton543
      Originally Posted by InternationalWidget View Post

      As MrDay mentioned, Fiverr is one good source. Regardless of the niche (though the more popular or general-interest, the better), I would pay someone $5 on Fiverr to tweet the link to your sales page, or affiliate link. Find someone with at least 2000 or more Twitter followers, so even if just 1 or 2 people buy, you at least make your $5 back. Probably takes less time than writing reviews and might be just as effective, if not more effective.
      Interesting. This may also actually be a good way to advertise your site, not just for getting sales. I have never used Fiverr, but how about paying someone with significant Twitter followers to twit about site for $5?
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      • Originally Posted by Anton543 View Post

        Interesting. This may also actually be a good way to advertise your site, not just for getting sales. I have never used Fiverr, but how about paying someone with significant Twitter followers to twit about site for $5?
        Yes, that would work too! I've been using Fiverr for a while now (always as a buyer). There are sellers on Fiverr who will tweet your message to their followers, so as long as it's not illegal or will be a conflict of interest for them, I don't see why they wouldn't send that out to their followers.
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  • Profile picture of the author Vladcanada
    not to steal your thread, but what you guys think of paid traffic? Google and bing?
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