Do the cheap writers here and elsewhere really 'write'?

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Or is it more a case of rearranging words enough to beat Copyscape?

I really can't see how someone can turnover 10-15 articles a day (sometimes) without resorting to trickery. I apologise if you are genuine, but I do have certain doubts about some writers. Heck, I am not even sure some of those charging $20 for 700-800 words, always play fair.
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  • Profile picture of the author wfhblueprints
    Originally Posted by Anton543 View Post

    Or is it more a case of rearranging words enough to beat Copyscape?

    I really can't see how someone can turnover 10-15 articles a day (sometimes) without resorting to trickery. I apologise if you are genuine, but I do have certain doubts about some writers. Heck, I am not even sure some of those charging $20 for 700-800 words always play fair.

    If given the right information and research I know people who can churn out 10,000-15,000 words a day of super high quality stuff. Its a matter of focus and having a passion for writing...
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  • Profile picture of the author TiffanyLambert
    Yes they can. I've done 40 pages in a day from scratch but it's typically more like 15-20. I write 5 pages per hour. But that said, many "writers" are just people who go online and read that you can copy, paste and rewrite - some don't know any better and some just don't care.
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    • Profile picture of the author ymest
      Originally Posted by TiffanyDow View Post

      Yes they can. I've done 40 pages in a day from scratch but it's typically more like 15-20. I write 5 pages per hour. But that said, many "writers" are just people who go online and read that you can copy, paste and rewrite - some don't know any better and some just don't care.
      I agree with Tiff ( once more lol)! You can certainly push yourself and get so inspired that you write 30 or 40 pages a day. And, I am not talking about those who pick an article from Ezine and rewrite them without even reading it in the first place! I could do 50 a day but hey, it would be worth ZILCH quality wise! And, I resent this!

      Here is what I do :

      First of all, writing is like a muscle you need to train everyday. This muscle training includes RESEARCHING and by this I mean, as Tiffany wrote in one of her products- that you read, read, read, educate yourself as much as possible. Open a few pages and read as much as you can. Then, write everything from scratch in your own voice/tone. It gets easier and it certainly is easier than doing the "copy/paste with some changes" thing! This is despicable!

      Another thing I have noticed. Writing E-books are generally easier because you don't have to jump from one subject to another...which is what happen when people order 1 or 2 articles on different topics! You map out your ebook and there you go, if you have done some good research, use your personality, your creativity, your own voice and you can easily write 20 pages a day. Now, it's not everyday of course, but writing for marketing is not writing for a scientific journal for instance. However, you still need to provide quality information, good writing etc.

      So, yes some can write 10 or 15 articles a day. Some spend 10 hours a day writing because it's their passion and that's something we tend to forget! You have those writing to get quick traffic and leads and quick money and those who love writing for a living. That's my case.

      I hope this help. It's good to see things from a different angle sometimes.

      Good luck

      Yoan
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  • Profile picture of the author simonsstuart
    It's one of those things that once you have prepared yourself and got into "the zone" then actually coming up with the copy doesn't necessarily take that long. It's all down to the preparation.
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  • Profile picture of the author Jaysmyne
    I have a fiverr gig. Its a cheap one. I'm desperate for cash and I'm a UCLA Student with 3 classes left to graduate. If my writing is bad something is very wrong with the university. hahahahaa.
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  • Profile picture of the author Anton543
    Given this a bit more thought. You're probably right. I think skilled writers can churn out quality articles by the dozen in several hours of non-stop work because they have become well versed at it and can get into a 'zone', as you say. However, I still think these are few and far and most actually take short cuts.
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    • Profile picture of the author wfhblueprints
      Originally Posted by Anton543 View Post

      Given this a bit more thought. You're probably right. I think skilled writers can churn out quality articles by the dozen in several hours of non-stop work because they have become well versed at it and can get into a 'zone', as you say. However, I still think these are few and far and most actually take short cuts.
      I am sure that some do take shortcuts......but you can spot them from a mile away the moment you read some of their sample material. Do your due diligence and you will separate the wheat from the chaff...
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  • Profile picture of the author TiffanyLambert
    Well I forgot your type said cheap in there. Like the girl above, there are situations where good writers go cheap. But that's not the usual situation.
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  • Profile picture of the author SeoDemon
    some so, and some don't, it's a matter of passion and talent, that's how i see it.
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    • Profile picture of the author Gail_Curran
      Cheap writers who produce 10-15 articles a day on random topics are just cranking out filler to get to the necessary word count. Lots of repetition and unnecessary words, but little or no meaningful information. Such writers simply don't have time to research a subject and organize their thoughts. And those are the honest ones.

      The dishonest ones are just copying content or using one of those software programs that makes content appear "unique" to Google.

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  • Profile picture of the author Anton543
    How truthful are the people who claim they have written for well-known online and offline publications in their profile over at Elance? I came across a writer there and her samples read very well, and she also claims to have had written for quite a few rather well-known publications.

    She also linked to several articles on a major website and the author of those articles has the same name. But couldn't that just be a coincidence?

    She has a very strong feedback rating, but let me tell you most people on those freelance sites try to avoid giving low scores, so even the average workers can have a very decent overall score.

    My great quest is to find just one writer who can take care of all my content needs (regular content, affiliate reviews, maybe even draw up creative ads, sales pages, etc) but who is genuine and will put the effort into research (as some of the articles will need good amount of research done before writing).

    I don't want to break the bank, but I also don't want to publish content that doesn't stand out. I need to be able to take pride in my site.
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  • Profile picture of the author Randall Magwood
    I used to write 10, 500+ word articles everyday. Never outsourced everyday. EZA was my main source of traffic. Panda hit then i needed to vary my traffic sources.

    I like to think that my articles are pretty good. Some of the cheap writers that you find have poor english, poor grammar, run-on sentences, and copied content.

    Anything just to make a low buck.
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    • Profile picture of the author catcat
      If you are familiar with the subject and don't need to do any research they can be written quickly. It's easy to write a 400 word article in 10 minutes if you already know the niche.

      Sometimes you can find writers too that are just starting out that need exposure and are writing cheap articles to build up their clientele.

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  • Profile picture of the author tpw
    For me, it matters more whether you know what the story is that you are going to tell.

    If you know what you are going to say, it comes quickly.

    If you don't know what you are going to say, you will sit and stare at the screen for hours.
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    • Profile picture of the author ymest
      Originally Posted by tpw View Post

      For me, it matters more whether you know what the story is that you are going to tell.

      If you know what you are going to say, it comes quickly.

      If you don't know what you are going to say, you will sit and stare at the screen for hours.

      Couldn't agree more!!!!! You've summed it all up! Research, digest and write as it comes....You sometimes can't even stop...inspiration....although I don't believe in the "muse calling"!!

      Really well said!

      Yoan
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  • Profile picture of the author Rose Anderson
    The answer is simple - some do some don't.

    Most good writers will eventually start raising their rates. Their client base grows, they get referrals from past clients, and they don't have to work for peanuts anymore. Other's start their own blogs or start selling their own products.

    The only way to find a good writer that you trust and can afford is by trial and error. Order a few articles from several writers and see which one meets your requirements.

    Rose
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    • Profile picture of the author MissTerraK
      Originally Posted by Rose Anderson View Post


      Most good writers will eventually start raising their rates. Their client base grows, they get referrals from past clients, and they don't have to work for peanuts anymore.

      Rose
      Exactly Rose!

      These writers view it like this. It is much more lucrative to have fewer clients paying premium prices than having more clients paying less. It doesn't take a mathematician to understand why. A simple story problem should suffice.

      Terra
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  • Profile picture of the author ronnieavelino
    Originally Posted by Anton543 View Post

    Or is it more a case of rearranging words enough to beat Copyscape?

    I really can't see how someone can turnover 10-15 articles a day (sometimes) without resorting to trickery. I apologise if you are genuine, but I do have certain doubts about some writers. Heck, I am not even sure some of those charging $20 for 700-800 words, always play fair.
    Actually most of them have in-house writers who create articles for their clients

    Ronnie
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  • Profile picture of the author celente
    Originally Posted by Anton543 View Post

    Or is it more a case of rearranging words enough to beat Copyscape?

    I really can't see how someone can turnover 10-15 articles a day (sometimes) without resorting to trickery. I apologise if you are genuine, but I do have certain doubts about some writers. Heck, I am not even sure some of those charging $20 for 700-800 words, always play fair.
    With the warrior forum, you get what you pay for like everywhere else.

    Would I pay $20 for an article over a $3 one. My oath! and I have paid much more then $20 in here for an article. Infact if I told you how much you would probably keel over and have a heart attack, but I gotta tell you that one article was researched well, and good enough to put in a magazine,... SO i did infact do that.

    Look for higher quality article writers in here, and then syndicate that high quality content and watch the sales and profits roar in.

    SAY NO MORE!
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  • Profile picture of the author OmarNegron
    Indeed I agree with many of the responses. There will be great writers capable of accomplishing this but you will have your set of writers who really don't have the skills and are not capable of doing so even though they say they do.

    You need to test out the market, look for reviews from other people and just take your time finding some good writers. Best of luck!

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    • Profile picture of the author Steven Wagenheim
      I can write all day off the top of my head without blinking an eye.

      But I don't do it for $20 for a 700 word article.

      I believe you get what you pay for. But that's just me. Your mileage may vary.
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  • Profile picture of the author FantaMan
    They try to but id barely call what they do as 'writing'. Writing is a profession, and you need to pay the money to get the quality!
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  • Profile picture of the author gabibeowulf
    It depends on what you mean by "writing".

    1) Some people will just turn on a spinner software and give you a barely readable articles.

    2) Others will spend 10-15 minutes researching your topic on Google and rearrange the ideas as well as insert some of their own.

    That's how far the process goes for cheap articles. Some people will argue that 2) is not what writing is all about, but if you're fine with it, then yes, it's writing. As a general rule, if you give out specific instructions, you will get an article you can use. If you're just posting "I want an article on .. whatever", you're probably going to end up with a very low quality article, but it may not be entirely the writer's fault.

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  • Profile picture of the author OutsourceFactor
    Originally Posted by Anton543 View Post

    Or is it more a case of rearranging words enough to beat Copyscape?

    I really can't see how someone can turnover 10-15 articles a day (sometimes) without resorting to trickery. I apologise if you are genuine, but I do have certain doubts about some writers. Heck, I am not even sure some of those charging $20 for 700-800 words, always play fair.
    I agree with everyone. Some do and some don't. I personally cannot do that much in a day because I have only been writing for a year or two and I haven't made that much effort into consistently doing it so that can I improve.

    People like me (people that don't have much experience) might be in trouble if we're given that much. It's unethical to resort to trickery but you'd still notice if someone did not put a lot of effort into an article.

    Mea @ Outsource Factor
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  • Profile picture of the author jclindayag
    Hi Anton543!

    Well, it really depends on how you screen the writers. If you are looking to hire one, have them a paid sample of their work. You can actually hire writers that only charge for about 2 to 5 dollars per article with the same quality with $20 ones.
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  • Profile picture of the author samalexis
    A quality writer will have a wide base of knowledge (they usually love reading) so it doesn't take much to crank out short articles. If research is required they know where to look so, again, it doesn't take all day to write a quality article. I'm a technical writer, a business writer, and author so I'm able to use my past experience to write well and write fast because my work required it.

    Education, experience, and ethics benefits the customer and gives them peace of mind to know they do not have to worry about rehashed articles.
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    • Profile picture of the author ymest
      Originally Posted by samalexis View Post

      A quality writer will have a wide base of knowledge (they usually love reading) so it doesn't take much to crank out short articles. If research is required they know where to look so, again, it doesn't take all day to write a quality article. I'm a technical writer, a business writer, and author so I'm able to use my past experience to write well and write fast because my work required it.

      Education, experience, and ethics benefits the customer and gives them peace of mind to know they do not have to worry about rehashed articles.
      You've nailed it here! "They love reading" and that makes their writing much better than those looking for articles re writers! I also agree that it doesn't take a whole day to write a quality article! You still have to put a little pressure on yourself as if you had a reall J-O-B lol and a boss behind you. Writing for a living implies deadlines and a certain amount of clients so there is little time for perfectionism either...but there again, perfectionism is the perfect trap and excuse for procrastination! lol
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  • Profile picture of the author WeavingThoughts
    The honest reality:

    There are several writers who charge $7.5-15 per 500 words and outsource to writers for $2-4 per 500 words. And their work is appreciated as well because the writers are indeed very good. Proper screening is done to ensure that. Often editors/proofreaders aren't even involved and the articles are sent straight. Yet, people find them VFM.

    And I am talking of online retail prices, the same writer could easily charge 5-10x the price to an offline client. Read $50-100+ for an article which he paid $3. And often the $3 guy outsources it further. So the end writer basically gets a fraction of $3 and that work is appreciated by $10/500 words webmasters or $50/500 words offline clients.

    I am not talking about every writer out there. But there are lots of people doing this and the work is very close to being totally acceptable for the price, and often awesome.

    I have read about a very well known writing team (fellow warrior so can't name him) who claims to hire only USA based writers. He charges $5-10 per 500 words. He outsources to an Indian firm (not me, nor do I know who) at $3 per 500 words and that team pays their writers $1 per 500 words. And by and large he is making a killing and has 100s of positive reviews.

    There are two rates for everything. The reseller rate which is paid by people who hire professionals long term. And there is a retail rate the same agency charges clients for one off projects or for freelance agency outsourcing. And the difference is a few notches in these two.
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    • Profile picture of the author Sandra Martinez
      I canĀ“t write 15 articles in a day. I have written a 20 pages report in a day, but not individual articles with different subjects. The cut in the flow kills me.

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      • Profile picture of the author TheDFitz
        After reading through all of these posts, I think we can all summarize the following:
        • Yes, there are many (seriously a lot of) qualified and excellent writers who can churn articles out like it's nothing!
        • Yes, there are lots of scammier people out there trying to do the same through different methods of 'cheating.'
        • It's fairly easy to see these people, like someone mentioned, just do your due diligence! A good/cheap price for shotty work is never worth it.
        • But, there are reliable writers out there who are very good writers and will produce quality work who do charge very low amounts. So don't just judge a writer based off of their rates.
        The bottom line here is do your research on the writers, their credibility, the other work they've done, etc. Then, just decide what you're willing to spend to get the article you want.
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    • Profile picture of the author MissTerraK
      Originally Posted by WeavingThoughts View Post

      The honest reality:

      There are several writers who charge $7.5-15 per 500 words and outsource to writers for $2-4 per 500 words. And their work is appreciated as well because the writers are indeed very good. Proper screening is done to ensure that. Often editors/proofreaders aren't even involved and the articles are sent straight. Yet, people find them VFM.

      And I am talking of online retail prices, the same writer could easily charge 5-10x the price to an offline client. Read $50-100+ for an article which he paid $3. And often the $3 guy outsources it further. So the end writer basically gets a fraction of $3 and that work is appreciated by $10/500 words webmasters or $50/500 words offline clients.

      I am not talking about every writer out there. But there are lots of people doing this and the work is very close to being totally acceptable for the price, and often awesome.

      I have read about a very well known writing team (fellow warrior so can't name him) who claims to hire only USA based writers. He charges $5-10 per 500 words. He outsources to an Indian firm (not me, nor do I know who) at $3 per 500 words and that team pays their writers $1 per 500 words. And by and large he is making a killing and has 100s of positive reviews.

      There are two rates for everything. The reseller rate which is paid by people who hire professionals long term. And there is a retail rate the same agency charges clients for one off projects or for freelance agency outsourcing. And the difference is a few notches in these two.
      This reminds me of some large corporations versus smaller enterprises.

      For example, corporations who send their work overseas where they pay slave labor wages and then charge exorbitant prices here in the States. When the public gets wind of this, there is a huge outcry and boycotting. The people's voices bring about some change in that arena. Of course, you'll always have those that don't care, but I won't be one of them.

      I view writers as creative artists. That being said, I would rather purchase my art from a gallery as opposed to a piece that has one million duplicates readily available at thousands of chain stores. They hold their value much longer and have a tendency to increase in value over time as well as becoming highly coveted. Some consider it an investment for the future. Some buyers think long term, others only in the here and now.

      Of course we all have the liberty to decide how we prefer to shop and that's why there will always be differences in quality, and prices.

      Terra
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  • Profile picture of the author WeavingThoughts
    The thing is:

    You can either pay $x for something. Or you can pay $10x for the same thing. If you know the right loopholes and invest time and effort into it, it is very much possible. You get the same thing. The thing is it takes a lot of time, research, effort and lost resources to finally reach that position. So for one off clients it makes no sense because they would rather pay 100s extra that devote 10s of hours to save just a few hundred bucks. So it is a trade off you need to make. However, most of the writers at low rates are pretty crap. You need to know the tricks to get the right people
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  • Profile picture of the author Kevin McNally
    It depends on the client needs but I doubt anyone writing 15 articles per day is offering top notch articles but of course that is not to say they are decent enough to get traffic to your website.

    Over the years I have paid various amounts for articles and can tell you that quality is not always determined by price.

    The big problem is when your article are outsourced to another company or third party as the quality in the long run normally decreases.

    I think it is great that writers can charge $200 plus per article, I imagine these will take 1-2 days to complete with research and should be good enough to be published offline so you won't get 10-15 articles per day for this quality.

    However, don't be fooled thinking that guys who claim to be professional article writers can offer a better service purely based on price ( if you charge anything for an article you could in theory be a professional writer ).

    You need to judge content on results not theory.

    Your goal may be get your articles published offline or simply to get them accepted at article directories and this may influence your price points.
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  • Profile picture of the author Shea
    There was period of time years ago when I wrote 20 400 word articles a day. I hated it though, researching boring stuff I wasn't interested in and churning out article after article. I'm a fast writer though. And once you get your routine down you can bust it out. I agree with someone above who said it's muuuch easier and more pleasant to crank out one very long report/ebook than many short ones.
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  • Profile picture of the author kakucis
    It really depends from author to author. I have seen many great writes to start cheap but when they see demand they just increase the price.

    I have bought thousands of articles and had to send many back for editing because they turned out to be very poor. My native langue is not English but even I was able to see how bad they were.
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  • Profile picture of the author dejoliet31
    People who enjoy writing and are good at it can turn out unbelievable quantity and quality within a day's time. The key, as with many things, is to find professionals who take pride in their work. The other side of the equation is whether the purchaser is willing to ante up what is required for quality writing.

    Some of buyers keep looking for diamonds at zircona prices. While the price may vary from one writer to another, I have yet to find stellar author at peanut prices. So I start out with a willingness to pay what quality requires.
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  • Profile picture of the author laurencewins
    If you know your topic and don't need to do research, it can take 10-15 mins to write a decent article. If you write every day, you know how to do your research efficiently. For example, if I have a batch of 5 or 10 articles to write on the same subject I will do all of the research first and then I can just write the articles quite quickly.
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  • Profile picture of the author betterwtveter
    You gotta check the writers background first and see if you can get some references form him. Or what I have done is to have about 3-5 writers that I hire to make some articles for me and I evaluate each write to see how well of quality the writer does, than I can finally decide who writes the best articles.
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    • Profile picture of the author cashp0wer
      It is very possible to put out that much writing in one day especially if you know your topic very well and are really a writer.
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  • Profile picture of the author Richard Miller
    I wouldn't say "cheap". Because this is a not bad money for countries with a weak economy.
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    • Profile picture of the author Weblover50
      Originally Posted by Richard Miller View Post

      I wouldn't say "cheap". Because this is a not bad money for countries with a weak economy.
      I am living in India and still would call the online rates super cheap. Quality writers do not produce large quantity and could not think of making a living based on the rates I see. It is students, part timers with poor language / other skills who are mostly into this. My personal experience hiring few people to write articles was also disappointing. No, they are not copy but generally the quality of the content were really poor.
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  • Profile picture of the author MaryPabelate
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    Not so, there are some professional writers who can write 500 quality article in just $5 and they are from America.. it all depends on efficiency, knowledge and experience.
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  • Profile picture of the author TimothyTorrents
    Good writers who have been in the business for a long time usually figured out a way to write high quality articles in the shortest amount of time possible. 10-15 articles per day is definitely do able.
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  • Profile picture of the author Young Financier
    I don't necessarily consider myself a write, I just do so for my own personal blog. But its nothing for me to come up with an original, thought-filled article of at least 1,100 words in a matter of 30 minutes.
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  • Profile picture of the author brettb
    Cheap writers often copy their content from my or your sites... beware and ALWAYS check, especially if you're using AdSense on your site.
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  • Profile picture of the author Dazzling Content
    It takes me more than an hour to write an original, well-researched and well-written 500-word article. I can't imagine myself churning out 10-20 articles per day without slaving my butt off for 12 hours or more. If I do that for one week straight, I might lose my mind. LOL. That is why I'm now charging more than five cents per word (I'm not even a native English writer). I can just write 4-6 articles per day and I'm good to go.

    I can write a 500-word article in half an hour if it's about a topic that I'm extremely passionate about. For instance, my favorite football club or my own love story. I can write faster if I write for my own blogs since I don't have clients to please.
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  • Profile picture of the author wordsuwant
    I have to say, as a writer, I can crank out 10-15 articles a day, but that is also because I have 9 hours a day to do it. Now, if I only had the work I would be set. I don't consider myself a top of the line writer, but I think my work is pretty decent compared to some writers.

    As far as my rates, I charge $1 per 100 words, but that is only because I have been turned down at $2 per 100 words. Regardless of what rate I am getting paid, my content is never spun by software and is never outsourced. It's all done by me, and over the last 4 years, I have gained knowledge about several topics to be able to write a lot from my head with minimal research.

    However, I do know there are writers out there that simply take an article switch some paragraphs around or outsource it to someone with poor grammar and sentence structure and charge $20 an article. It just depends I guess.

    Now, if I could only find the work I would be set.
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  • Profile picture of the author IMSince2003
    Originally Posted by Anton543 View Post

    Or is it more a case of rearranging words enough to beat Copyscape?

    I really can't see how someone can turnover 10-15 articles a day (sometimes) without resorting to trickery. I apologise if you are genuine, but I do have certain doubts about some writers. Heck, I am not even sure some of those charging $20 for 700-800 words, always play fair.
    I think that you already know the answer. Having said that, I can rap out tons of articles very quickly on subjects I know using DNS (Dragon speech recognition software).

    Finding good, reliable, reasonably priced writers can be very challenging so always treat your writers well
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    • Profile picture of the author ymest
      Originally Posted by IMSince2003 View Post

      I think that you already know the answer. Having said that, I can rap out tons of articles very quickly on subjects I know using DNS (Dragon speech recognition software).

      Finding good, reliable, reasonably priced writers can be very challenging so always treat your writers well
      Yes, that's true too! Treating them like human beings and not like robots! I have had a few such clients...Dreadful!!! .:! I have had lovely people who value your work too!
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