46 subscribers- Zero sales

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Hello guys,

I have 46 subscribers from my facebook fanpage. These people are from USA and some of them are from Asia. I think that everything is ok with my squeeze page,free offer, sales funnel and promoted product.

To be more specific I build my list with the "create your first website by 3:45 this afternoon" ebook written by chris farrell. My sales funnel consist of 10 emails with value and within these 10 emails I promote chris farrell membership website.

Can anybody help me? the normal is to have 1-2 sales every 40 subscribers right? Why I don't have sales?

Thank you,
Zouras
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  • Profile picture of the author Isaiah Jackson
    You shouldn't expect to get sales every 40 subs. Your money is in your follow up. So tweak that if you can, then see what happens.

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    • Profile picture of the author zourkas
      Originally Posted by Isaiah Jackson View Post

      You shouldn't expect to get sales every 40 subs. Your money is in your follow up. So tweak that if you can, then see what happens.

      - Isaiah Jackson
      When you say follow up do you mean that I will expect sales with 1000 subscribers?
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      • Profile picture of the author alextheseo
        Originally Posted by zourkas View Post

        When you say follow up do you mean that I will expect sales with 1000 subscribers?
        I think what Isiah is try to say is that your lists make your money. In other words, build your list with your free offers. Once they sign up for it and you collect their contact info, you use your list to offer and sell your products.

        You can even catch an up-sale right after they sign up for your free product in the thank you email or thank you page, or your introduction page after they've signed up.

        unless you are working in a micro niche, I wouldn't expect 1 or 2 sales every 40 clicks. Not saying you can't get their, just not right now. :-0)
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        • Profile picture of the author VinnyBock
          Chris Farrell programs is great, that's where I got started as well, but that ebook "Create Your First Site" is EVERYWHERE....

          Aside from that, just because someone wants to learn how to build a site, doesn't mean they want to make money online. If your going to be sending make money online offers to your list, you should give away a product thats specifically about making money online.

          Chris teaches you how to build a business with his program, so if Chris's membership is going to be the main offer your pushing, the product you give away should be about building a business.
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  • Profile picture of the author RogueOne
    Originally Posted by zourkas View Post

    the normal is to have 1-2 sales every 40 subscribers right?
    According to whom? Is that what some body told you? You might never sell anything and there is certainly no way of predicting how many sales an untested campaign will make.

    Run a thousand people through your funnel and then analyze the results.
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  • Profile picture of the author Shea
    I wouldn't expect to get a sale at 40 subs. You might, might not. Depends on the demographics of the subs(are they even buyer types? 10 people who are buyers beats 40 who are only after freebies). Also the follow up stuff, have to wait on that. May get a sale or two yet. But really it's just too small a sample size. Keep growing your subscribers/list.
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  • Profile picture of the author lgibbon
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    Originally Posted by zourkas View Post

    Why I don't have sales?
    You ask questions like that, and yet you have a sig file that says:
    "How To Make Money Online"
    Maybe you're giving people the impression you don't know what you're talking about.

    Or there again maybe you're trying to promote something that's been flogged to death here and you're just a couple of years too late.
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    • Profile picture of the author zourkas
      Originally Posted by lgibbon View Post

      You ask questions like that, and yet you have a sig file that says:
      "How To Make Money Online"
      Maybe you're giving people the impression you don't know what you're talking about.

      Or there again maybe you're trying to promote something that's been flogged to death here and you're just a couple of years too late.
      Hi,

      1) I have to start with something and I have choosen IM niche.
      2) You don't have to be thin to sell an ebook on how to lose weight.
      3) Maybe the free offer is old?

      Thank you,
      Zouras
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  • Profile picture of the author KaplanT4
    When I first started out a while back, I made my first 4 sales within 44 subscribers. It was a sub niche in the self help niche. Those first sales came directly from the thank you page after they subbed.

    Basically, after they subbed, they would get sent to a page that had a short paragraph or two summing up and re-iterating the pains that I had gone through, empathizing with them, and basically reinforcing and reminding them how dreadful the situation I once was in (that they're in now), and how I'd got out of it, and how they're going to learn how to get out of it via the free gift I'm giving them. The page had a picture of me.

    That short "intro" page was important for them to read to gain a bit of initial influence over them and become a "friend" and so I made sure they did read it by saying they should in the headline while they're gift was on it's way.

    The page then had a link to the freebie download page. On that page right below the link to download my gift, was a link to an affiliate offer. It was an eBook with a recurring monthly membership. I knew they were here for the free gift, so there was no point in emphasizing it, thus I didn't put up an image of the eBook cover for it. But I did put up the image of the eBook for the affiliate offer, to draw automatic attention to it. I stated that this was the first real info that had helped me (it really was), and that it's hard to get accurate info in today'd world with all the rubbish out there, so check it out in case it gets taken down etc etc.

    People that opt in to your list may be hottest straight after they opt in, so make sure you capitalize on that.


    EDIT: Also, I forgot to add, in the short report that I'd given, I told them that I would be following up on them and what they should expect to get. This added to the responsiveness of the list.
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  • Profile picture of the author WeavingThoughts
    I don't understand why every noob and his/her brother and neighbor starts with the IM niche. And the worst part is that pseudo gurus encourage them to start with IM for their own (not the noob's) benefit.
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    • Profile picture of the author zourkas
      Originally Posted by WeavingThoughts View Post

      I don't understand why every noob and his/her brother and neighbor starts with the IM niche. And the worst part is that pseudo gurus encourage them to start with IM for their own (not the noob's) benefit.
      Hi,

      If the product that I promote is great then why not promote it ? Where is the problem ?

      Thank you,
      Zouras
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      • Profile picture of the author TheSalesBooster
        Originally Posted by zourkas View Post

        Hi,

        If the product that I promote is great then why not promote it ? Where is the problem ?

        Thank you,
        Zouras
        If it really is great then you obviously aren't communicating that effectively enough to get people interested in it. Hire a copywriter.
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    • Profile picture of the author lgibbon
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      Originally Posted by WeavingThoughts View Post

      And the worst part is that pseudo gurus encourage them to start with IM for their own (not the noob's) benefit.
      Spot on.
      People need to read that bit again.
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      • Profile picture of the author passiveincomebiz
        Point taken Igibbon -- but he has gotta start somewhere. IM might be super competitive but there is money to be made which is why people join it everyday. There is a way to enter the IM niche as a newbie and still offer value without coming off as a "fake know it all guru" - what you think?
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  • Profile picture of the author kakucis
    There no such rule as 1-2 sales form each 40 subscribers. It will never work like that unless you offer some really cheap stuff and you have highly targeted audience.

    I have seen campaigns to fail with thousands of subscribers so nothing to worry with your 40 subscribers. Just build larger target audience and try to use different methods to sell your stuff.
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  • Profile picture of the author Jeff Falzone
    It's impossible to decide how many people are needed in order to make a a sale. You need to analyse things as well as from where that traffic comes as not every source of traffic is equal to another one, and of course you will understand that by every single source of traffic the percentage of people needed in order to make a sale changes.
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  • Profile picture of the author MKCookins
    Speaking on Chris's behalf - the one he is promoting. I can safely say that he does not encourage people to be an affliate for his site.

    Just the opposite he shows you the process to make money online - then encourages you to find your own niche.

    As to making more sales, Just a matter of time and also the type of people who are opting in to your list. I have heard Facebook sign ups generally don't convert well, but I cant say for sure.

    Just keep sending great value to your list and you will see results soon
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    • Profile picture of the author shart111
      Hi Guys,

      Getting sign ups is just the first piece of the puzzle.

      Once you have got them signed up it is down to you to get the sales.

      I have been a member of CFM for a while.

      I did the same thing as you.

      I sent out all his auto-responder e-mails and I got about 80 sign ups but no sales.

      What you need to do is keep in contact with your list an write your own e-mails offering new
      products that are nothing to do with CFM.

      CFM gets you the sign ups but it is down to you to make sales of the items you are offering.

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      • Profile picture of the author passiveincomebiz
        There could be a wide range of reasons but it is quite possible you have a list of 40 freebie seekers. If you wanting to build a list in IM niche - why have facebook as your main/only source of leads. To me, facebook should supplement your list building efforts not be the main target unless you really in a niche that is a sweet spot for facebook users. I don't think IM is in my opinion

        Why not run some solo ads.

        Next -- your freebie offer " how to build a website" -- I dunno -- in this day and age of blogs and point and click web builders? -- what I am saying is -- I would change the freebie offer to something more appealing.
        Unless you are able to target say businesses without websites
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  • Profile picture of the author neilclues
    Originally Posted by zourkas View Post

    Hello guys,

    I have 46 subscribers from my facebook fanpage. These people are from USA and some of them are from Asia. I think that everything is ok with my squeeze page,free offer, sales funnel and promoted product.

    To be more specific I build my list with the "create your first website by 3:45 this afternoon" ebook written by chris farrell. My sales funnel consist of 10 emails with value and within these 10 emails I promote chris farrell membership website.

    Can anybody help me? the normal is to have 1-2 sales every 40 subscribers right? Why I don't have sales?

    Thank you,
    Zouras
    Hello Zouras

    There can be many reasons as to why you havn't made any sales. Maybe your leads arn't targeted enough and arn't interested in what you have to offer or maybe it could be due to the run up to christmas and people just simply want to save some money.

    At the moment I have a site promoting artificial christmas trees for amazon which is generating over 200+ visitors per day.

    That is a large number and some days I can make upto 10 sales but others I don't make any.

    It is what it is lol.

    My advice is to promote your fan page to targeted people who are interested in your niche. Keep promoting and things will happen for you.

    Neil
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  • Profile picture of the author Alexa Smith
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    Originally Posted by zourkas View Post

    Why I don't have sales?
    Nobody can answer this question without seeing everything you've done, in detail.

    But one reason might be that your subscribers were Facebook fans rather than people searching for information on specifically what you're promoting.

    And another reason might be that the number you have is too small to be meaningful, at the moment.

    A third reason might be that you may not have an appropriate continuity-process in place, as explained in this post: http://www.warriorforum.com/main-int...ml#post6123982

    And fourthly, Leslie doubtless has a point, as well, with what he mentions in posts #6 and #14 above.
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  • Profile picture of the author Stuart Walker
    Congrats for getting 40 subscribers but it's still very low and there's no guarantee you should get a sale from that amount. There's no guarantee that if you had 4000 subs you'd get a sale. Try and build a good relationship with your list, continue to grow it and write great emails and you'll see sales eventually but it can take time to get everything just right. Remember to test everything and see what works best.
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  • Profile picture of the author jgant
    If possible prove to your list the product you're promoting works and that you use it. Assuming your subs are interested in the niche, when you show personal results and experience using it, that helps tremendously.

    Even if you haven't had tremendous success with the product you're promoting, you can demonstrate you use it and are making strides toward success.

    Videos of what you're selling without revealing the nuts and bolts of the product do very nicely.

    If I were you, I'd go out and have some success with the website Chris F. taught you to build. If it's in make money online, get some sales. Doesn't have to be many ... just explain you're brand new to IM and the system worked fast and anybody can do it quickly.

    If you're showing how to build a particular website, show your site, traffic stats (again you don't need thousands of visitors) and hopefully a few sales.

    When you demonstrate you're new and are having some success (even $25 every other day), that's an awesome pre-sell.

    For all of my software and digital product I promote, I make demonstration videos of me using it and my successes (where appropriate). I send out a hard sell e-mail and follow up with a link to my review post with the demonstration video. Sometimes I change the order ... it all depends.

    If you have to jump into a non-IM niche, do so. It's not hard to get some sales fairly quickly, especially in a focused niche with which you have some knowledge. Physical products can sell quickly (but have lower commission rates). I seldom buy from people who can't demonstrate they've succeeded with their techniques in non-IM/non-make money online niches.
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  • Profile picture of the author Randall Magwood
    Originally Posted by zourkas View Post

    Can anybody help me? the normal is to have 1-2 sales every 40 subscribers right? Why I don't have sales?
    Not sure where you heard this from. You're going to need at least 200 subscribers to see some good results - or to see if this is the niche that you're supposed to be in. 46 subscribers isn't a conclusive test. I would keep getting leads and add more messages into your autoresponder frequently.
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  • Profile picture of the author betterwtveter
    That is not many people to start with, you need about 1000 people to start seeing some real results.
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  • Profile picture of the author Alex Blades
    Not all list's are created equal, and an average is from thousands of subs. Just because an average maybe be 40, does not mean get 40 subs and you will make a sale. You could have 40 people that don't even have a paypal account...
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  • Profile picture of the author WillR
    1. You need a bigger sample to test something like this. You might get to 200 subscribers and get 5 sales in a row. It happens. Then again, you might not. But 46 is far too small to be drawing any conclusions.

    2. Leads on Facebook are renowned for being less effective than those built by other means. So you are going to need an even bigger sample than ordinary to test this.

    3. Maybe these people are not wanting to spend any money on creating a website.

    You can't just write a product in any niche, market it, and expect sales. Some niches just will not make money no matter how hard you try. You might be in one of those niches.
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  • Profile picture of the author PaulyC
    One of the greatest tips I can give you for your email follow-up series, if you are serious about making money, is to hire a copywriter to write your follow-up series. Although 40ish subscribers is still not that many, if you can get someone to write a great series of emails then at least you don't have to worry too much about trial-and-error as your grow.
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  • Profile picture of the author MA Robinson
    46 subscribers are quite low if you are planning to sell to something. Maybe you can try to work out how to increase your subscribers and then have a major improvement on your marketing strategy.
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  • Profile picture of the author BrianDouglas
    selling to 1 percent of people 100 percent of the time is considered doing excellent. That said, you can expect 1 sale per 100 people, if you're doing your stuff right, regardless of where it is being done.
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  • Profile picture of the author JerrickYeoh
    You got the number of subscribers and the number of sales you get from them is how you improve your conversion rate.
    You need to know that not every post you did will show to them and read by them . The best is still use advertise with paid in order to reach all of your subscribers. In order to convert them to sales , you need to show what they need and interact with them in FB.

    Conversion might influence by price, product, trust & value that you deliver to them before & after they paid.
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    • Profile picture of the author zerofill
      You have to remember this as well...

      When someone sells a WSO here, on "Make Money Online." there is a big difference between them selling the same thing to Facebook subscribers.

      The conversions will be incredibly low in comparison.

      You are basically taking someone, that probably has no idea. They never thought about really making any money online. Then you are probably thrusting them into an email series that means nothing to them.

      (Also the average person doesn't check their email as often as marketers)

      When you are trying to sell something like this, in the "outside world" they have to be converted into thinking about making money online.

      You have to get into their head, then convince them that they are making the right decision by committing to "trying" to make money online.

      You are almost certainly going to need someone to write that email series for you.

      Not to mention 40 people is nothing.

      40 people on a list where they are already targeted, and have some type of understanding, might net you a couple sales.

      Trying to do that with new people that never ever thought about it. That is a whole different story.

      You have to start out slow.

      Think about some of the terminology we might use everyday here.

      CPC, CPA, CTR, EPC, Conversions, Affiliate Marketing, Squeeze page, Sales page, Sales funnel...

      This stuff means absolutely nothing to them. They think of it as gibberish. You confuse, and you lose.

      Man there is a lot to setting up those types of campaigns. Much of which I am sure you aren't doing, just from your original post.

      Seriously, it can be a huge product of it's own. Just going through everything you need to do to convince and convert people, that have never thought of the types of things we all do here.

      You have to get them excited... You really have to get them kind of educated at the same time. But not make it boring, or annoying, to read or listen to.

      I could go on and on about that subject. But too much work to do right now.
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  • Profile picture of the author JulianKane
    Originally Posted by zourkas View Post

    I think that everything is ok with my squeeze page,free offer, sales funnel and promoted product.
    Originally Posted by zourkas View Post

    Why I don't have sales?
    Apparently everything is not O.K.
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  • Profile picture of the author YasirYar
    I think you have to inquire in-depth what exactly are the kind of leads you are generating? You can have 10K people who'll optin in a week or so and still not get any sale.
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  • Profile picture of the author Bill Hugall
    I remember when they used to say that each name on your list is worth $1. I think that is more like.15 to .75 with people these days. Your emails have to be so on point and engaging and people have to like you and pick you from the 200 other emails they get a day. I would actually offer them a product to purchase during the sign-up process. After they sign-up offer them an OTO with some GOOD PLR and price it at about $9 with a $7 down sell. Then you can have them enter their email again and send them to your buyers list. Separating your buyers from freebie seekers. You can now market to your lists accordingly. 46 leads are daily numbers for a lot of people and then a ton will drop off and you replenish. Don't get down on the leads though. Try new offers. Learn some cool copy trigger words and work on refining your email marketing skills. That is just my opinion.
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    • Profile picture of the author Bruce NewMedia
      Originally Posted by bilkat19 View Post

      I remember when they used to say that each name on your list is worth $1. I think that is more like.15 to .75 with people these days. Your emails have to be so on point and engaging and people have to like you and pick you from the 200 other emails they get a day. ....
      Agree, for the most part. 'Rules of Thumb' are usually wrong, and anyway, getting results from 46 subs is not realistic at all.

      No aspect of marketing, whether online or offline, has been harder for me than doing emailing right. It's very tricky, and is influenced by so many factors....

      like where the subs are coming from, what initially attracted them, what kind of funnel you use, what kind of offers you send, the frequency, the tone of the offers, the time between offers, the correct amount of content (too much is as bad as too little)... there is no cookie cutter system, just a lot to learn.
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  • Profile picture of the author nitesh
    You are expecting sales in just 46 subscribers. You should expect daily sales when the volume of subscribers goes to 46K means 46,000 not just 46. I hope I have cleared your doubts. You can ask if you have anymore questions in this regard.
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  • Profile picture of the author Lena Williams
    Actually, some people may get 1 sell from 10 subscribers, others may not get a single sell even after having 1000 subscriber. It really depends on the product you are promoting, getting targeted subscribers etc. I personally have subscribed with a lot of products which I have never bought neither I even open their emails. It was a short time curiosity.
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  • Profile picture of the author Rod Cortez
    Originally Posted by zourkas View Post

    Hello guys,

    I have 46 subscribers from my facebook fanpage. These people are from USA and some of them are from Asia. I think that everything is ok with my squeeze page,free offer, sales funnel and promoted product.
    This is where you're in trouble. What you "think" isn't based on real-world, hard numbers.

    If you don't test a large enough sample, what you think isn't proof of anything.

    To be more specific I build my list with the "create your first website by 3:45 this afternoon" ebook written by chris farrell. My sales funnel consist of 10 emails with value and within these 10 emails I promote chris farrell membership website.
    How are you getting these FB subscribers? Generally these don't convert well because the end user is probably subscribed to a bunch of other things. In my experience, users who go to a focused opt-in of some kind and then begin receiving a very specific type of e-mail follow ups convert a lot better.

    Can anybody help me? the normal is to have 1-2 sales every 40 subscribers right? Why I don't have sales?

    Thank you,
    Zouras
    You need more targeted traffic and bunch more FB likes. I haven't taken a gander at your marketing funnel to see if it's effective or not since 46 is usually not a statistically significant indicator of anything.

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  • Profile picture of the author talfighel
    The real secrets to email marketing is to consistently have new and fresh leads come in every single day.

    You can generate 100 leads and still not get any sales. Again, just stay consistent and send emails to them all the time and also be sure to bring new leads.

    Don't get discouraged. Just keep at it. Keep trying until you start making sales. Never give up even though you may get those feelings many times during your journey.

    If others are succeeding and started where you are right now, then you can too.

    We all, like the big guys and gals online, put our pants the same way. We have the same opportunity and we pretty much live under the same moon, sun, and stars.

    Just test and test different places to get those leads.
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  • Profile picture of the author dillon5
    Agreed there is no way to predict when or even if you will get sales unless you have already tested this.
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