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Hi,

I work for a very large corporation (which I don't particularly like) and had a job interview with another up and coming company yesterday. I didn't get the job because they told my headhunter - "He definitely had the skills and experience to do the job but we didn't feel that he was excited about it. He just didn't have the energy we are looking for."

No energy? I wake up between 4-4:30 every morning to work out or read. I work 50-60 hours per week at my corporate job, own 7 rental properties (13 units) that cash flow about 2/3 of what I make from my corporate job each month, and still manage to spend lots of time with my kids (3) and their sports. I think I have a little energy. I've successfully flipped several houses as well.

This reaction about my low energy got me to thinking. Before the interview I was having lunch at Jimmy John's and they had a quote on their table:

"Try to live the life most people won't for a few years so you can live the life most people can't for the rest of your years"
Maybe I just don't have any more energy for the corporate world, and these are signs? I love being a landlord (yeah I'm a little sick in the head) and love being in charge of running the properties without getting 9 different approvals to go to the bathroom.

So I want to use my energy where it works best. I think I have lots of it. I am asking the forum here about getting into internet marketing. I have tried a couple of times in the past and not liked where the mentor I was working with was taking me.

I've written a couple of e-books that I am thinking of putting on amazon Kindle. I made a blog for them and sold some copies but nothing to write home about. I'm wondering about writing several more 'how to' books and make some money that way. If I can get to about $4,000 per month combined with my rental income, I could quit the corporate world for good - and I bet my energy level would soar.

Any advice? I am ticked off enough to have lots of motivation. Thanks for anything you can offer me.
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  • Profile picture of the author Michael Ten
    Move forward. Try not to let that sort of stuff get to you. Know that the next opportunity will likely be a better one.
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  • Profile picture of the author HeySal
    I would send what you just wrote about what you do every day - especially that you work 50 - 60 hours a week, to the company that you sought to hire you - then I would find out who said that about you. It, to me, seems like a retaliation effort to keep you where you are. There was no reason for them to say such a thing when working you a half week more each week than is normal. I'd be so pissed off I'd be seeing red for whoever was rattling that crap.

    Then I would seriously consider the rest of what you said. Can you live without such a job? If you can - quit. If you feel like applying to another company, tell that company why you quit. It will let them know right up front that you play hardball when it comes to the corp treating you with honesty and fairness.
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    • Profile picture of the author Dan Curtis
      I think your plan for internet marketing is a dead end. It will likely take your time and effort and not amount to much.

      But you've already answered your own question:

      I love being a landlord...

      So I want to use my energy where it works best.
      My advice would be to do what is already successful for you. That is real estate.

      Save as much as you can, leverage the properties you have or get some investors. With your record there will be people interested. There will be a huge upswing in real estate over the next several years. You could be positioned to make a fortune.
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      • Profile picture of the author BackLinkiT
        Originally Posted by Dan Curtis View Post

        I think your plan for internet marketing is a dead end. It will likely take your time and effort and not amount to much.

        But you've already answered your own question:



        My advice would be to do what is already successful for you. That is real estate.

        Save as much as you can, leverage the properties you have or get some investors. With your record there will be people interested. There will be a huge upswing in real estate over the next several years. You could be positioned to make a fortune.
        This is unusually bad advice. Ignore it.
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  • Profile picture of the author KenThompson
    Don't quit the job you hate just yet. Very important.

    You love being a landlord. You want to create how-to books. You're in good cash flow from your real estate properties.

    Easy math, don't you think?

    You're an expert in real estate properties, being a landlord, and making money.

    I imagine there are landlords out there who:

    1. Maybe hate it and maybe because they're not doing well.
    2. Are inexperienced, inefficient, not sure what to do - not experts.
    3. Are not making money.

    I think you have a market and can help them.

    Jay Abraham's, strategy of preeminence...

    Article: Jay Abraham Presents The Strategy of Preeminence

    Apply that if you pursue how-to books and possibly working with other real estate people.

    Don't rush..
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    • Profile picture of the author StingGB
      I would suggest you develop educational packages aimed at people who want to get into the rental business. Literature / video's / personal mentoring etc. You could charge $100's a piece, even more. People will always follow someone who has done it for real. You need to sell a heck of a lot of ebooks to net $4k pm, but only a handful of courses.
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  • Profile picture of the author Alexa Smith
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    Originally Posted by hal1989 View Post

    Maybe I just don't have any more energy for the corporate world, and these are signs? I love being a landlord (yeah I'm a little sick in the head) and love being in charge of running the properties without getting 9 different approvals to go to the bathroom.
    Yes, indeed.

    You sound pretty much "entrepreneurial" and "independent" and "self-motivated", to me. And like someone who, in the long run, is going to be better off being fully self-employed. And like someone who has way better chances than "average" at being self-employed, too.

    I have no advice for you (and wouldn't presume, never having held a job in my short life) but I wish you well.
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    • Profile picture of the author aprilm
      Your story sounds so much like mine! I loathed the corporate world, that's the main reason why I started investigating how to make money online. I don't have any energy for busting my arse for someone else and not reaping the benefits.

      I also own rental property, and enjoy working that business so much more than working for someone else.

      I encourage you to publish your ebooks on Kindle. You won't regret it. You already have a blog set up for them, so you are one step ahead of the marketing game! "How To" books are big sellers on Kindle.
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    • Profile picture of the author Joe Mobley
      Originally Posted by Alexa Smith View Post

      never having held a job in my short life...
      Good for you, your parents have given you a gift beyond measure.

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  • Profile picture of the author ronaldosurfseo
    Is the money you are earning from your rental properties enough to suffice the needs of your family as of now? I suggest quitting your corporate job converting the 50-60 hours to working at home doing Internet Marketing for the first few months.

    With that many hours and dedication you will get to your IM goals in a quicker way. Then you can lessen your work hours and spend more time with the kids.

    The biggest thing that's draining your energy is your dislike from your current corporate job. No matter how much you are working once you love what you are doing then you will never run out of energy.
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  • Profile picture of the author TimK06
    Are you familiar with creating squeeze pages. A squeeze page is a landing page created to solicit opt-in email addresses from prospective subscribers. This is how you'll build your email list which is already interested in what you're offering because they signed up for your free product then you have a target group to promote your sales to
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  • Profile picture of the author bizgrower
    Hi Hal,

    I think the interviewer picked up on the fact that your heart is not into another coporate JOB as you are closing in on the time in your life where you don't need it and can escape the corporate bull. I would not be insulted - they just used the wrong terminology. Deep down you realize you can leave the corporate world and make enough for your family and enjoy life on your terms via real estate and perhaps IM.

    "Try to live the life most people won't for a few years so you can live the life most people can't for the rest of your years"

    I don't know if Dave Ramsey originated that statement, but he uses it a lot. If you don't know who he is, then please google him. He helps people learn to live debt free and practice really smart money managment so they can do exactly as that quote suggests. He has a syndicated talk radio show on the old fashioned AM radio stations - probably the internet radio as well.

    Dave Ramsey's advice and the mortgage loan programs which daily apply the balance in your checking account towards principal (or the software that is available free which can do those calculations) will certainly get you on the path towards financial independence and time freedom via real estate.

    As for the IM world, if your products are in the real estate arena and other areas you know and like, then I would say go for it. BUT only as a gradual second source of income. Sounds to me that real estate is something you can just keep getting better at and master and make money from investing and then educating others in that field.

    What you might want to do is hang out a bit on Facebook or LinkedIn and become liked and respected in the real estate groups, or other groups in your other areas of interest, and then come up with products which would help people in those groups. Then do the Kindle or Click Bank or e-book or physical product things.

    Good luck on your new path(s).

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  • Profile picture of the author thedanbrown
    Just take action and keep moving forward in your business as quick as possible!

    Try and make decisions fast and your product out there even if you don't think it's 100% ready. Selling information is the best way to make money online and has the highest leverage.

    It seems like you are on the right track though and I wish you the best!
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  • Profile picture of the author Jtraits
    I would actually tell them what is my weekly program ... maybe by phone or email but always on a professional way. Not to tell them that i do not agree with their decision but just to clarify of what person i am.. in any case, keep looking for a job that you really like because staying in a position you do not feel comfortable, then that's just bad news for you and your position because sooner or later, you will end up getting frustrated with every minor thing and that will affect the quality of your position
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    • Profile picture of the author hal1989
      Thank you to all who responded to my rant. You confirmed what I was thinking already. My heart is not much in the corporate world anymore. I am about to buy another triplex and I have more and more people (friends, relatives, other investors) asking me for advice, wanting to have lunch with me, etc.

      This forum is a great source of inspiration and I think I will try to follow the advice. Thank you so much again.
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      • Profile picture of the author Chris Silvey
        Originally Posted by hal1989 View Post

        Thank you to all who responded to my rant. You confirmed what I was thinking already. My heart is not much in the corporate world anymore. I am about to buy another triplex and I have more and more people (friends, relatives, other investors) asking me for advice, wanting to have lunch with me, etc.

        This forum is a great source of inspiration and I think I will try to follow the advice. Thank you so much again.
        Sounds like there is one trait you have yet to exploit.
        It sounds like you would be a good Consultant and speaker in your field.
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  • Profile picture of the author Joan Altz
    Yeah, I dig what you are saying....they want people who pop caffeine tablets and willing to "sacrifice their life" for their stupid company. My cousin did that and it almost killed her, literally. And my Mom did it for YEARS and finally gave herself a demotion just to get some rest.

    Since you obviously know a lot about rental properties, my advice would be to offer a Twitter monitoring service for apartment owners or whatever....

    People talk all the time about needing a new apartment and so on....

    Use TwitterFall to monitor these tweets and create numerous accounts on Twitter for different locations.

    Then offer your services....charge big....and respond to local tweets with recommendations to the tweeter.

    You can speak the language, so make your promo page for clients "ON TARGET" with what they want.

    Use this expertise you have and make bank.
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  • Profile picture of the author bizgrower
    There you go.

    You have more and more people asking you for advice. You could start mentoring them through their first deals and operations of their businesses... Some could "bird dog" for you for your help, and others could pay you a cut of the deals you help them on - as your heart allows and as legally allowed in your area....

    Then, all this experience could become a proven IM/offline product and service. (I'm on the lists of too many real estate "gurus" and don't understand/relate/trust the business models where they charge a ton to get access to their information and investors. I get the concept of having some gateway so you get good and motivated people, but think there should be a model where almost anybody can get involved and the mentor can get paid from the proceeds of their deal, or first couple of deals. Legal of course. And so the mentor is not making money from selling the dream of making money via real estate, but actually helping people do good deals and drive the economy.)

    Best of luck to you.

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  • Profile picture of the author Karen Barr
    Originally Posted by hal1989 View Post

    "He definitely had the skills and experience to do the job but we didn't feel that he was excited about it. He just didn't have the energy we are looking for."
    In all honesty, unless you feel that you flunked the interview in some way, I can tell you from having worked in recruitment that the phrase used means they just didn't like you for some reason. It's a "let him down without hurting his feelings" phrase.

    It could mean:
    You're too old;
    You're too young;
    You have bad breath or body odour;
    You didn't dress well enough;
    You dressed so smartly that you made the interviewer feel dowdy;
    You're so ugly that the rest of the staff will resign;
    You're so attractive that the rest of the staff will be totally distracted and not get any work done;
    The interviewer flirted with you and you didn't respond;
    You flirted with the interviewer and they didn't like it;
    You expressed a personal opinion which the interviewer disagreed with;
    You talked too much;
    You talked too little;
    The interviewer saw you getting into your sports car and decided you already had enough money;
    Another candidate is the CEO's niece/nephew/stepson;
    Or another candidate had bigger boobs.

    Seriously - most company appointments at senior level are all about personality. If you just didn't click with the interviewer - or they just clicked better with someone else - then you lose out.

    So don't let this episode decide your whole future if you're not ready. I'm a great fan of ditching the 9-5, but don't do it because you assume you're not cut out for it on the basis of one interview.
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    • Originally Posted by Karen Barr View Post

      In all honesty, unless you feel that you flunked the interview in some way, I can tell you from having worked in recruitment that the phrase used means they just didn't like you for some reason. It's a "let him down without hurting his feelings" phrase.
      Precisely.

      Back in the Dark Ages, I interviewed for a clerical job -- not customer-facing -- at a fitness club. I was superbly qualified according to their job spec.

      I was turned down due to "low energy" -- which I figured out later is a euphemism for "Oh my God what if someone sees this woman working here with her less-than-perfect body?"

      They just weren't that into you.

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      • Profile picture of the author Kay King
        Come on !

        "Energy" didn't relate to YOUR personal schedule - it related to the energy you projected about the potential job.

        It didn't work out - no biggie. For all you know, the comment made to the headhunter might the same comment given every time by that interviewer in explaining why someone isn't hired for the job.
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        • Profile picture of the author Steve Wells
          Originally Posted by Kay King View Post

          Come on !

          "Energy" didn't relate to YOUR personal schedule - it related to the energy you projected about the potential job.

          It didn't work out - no biggie. For all you know, the comment made to the headhunter might the same comment given every time by that interviewer in explaining why someone isn't hired for the job.
          Yep, they may have saved him a major headache working for another corporation.
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    • Profile picture of the author Steve Wells
      Originally Posted by Karen Barr View Post

      In all honesty, unless you feel that you flunked the interview in some way, I can tell you from having worked in recruitment that the phrase used means they just didn't like you for some reason. It's a "let him down without hurting his feelings" phrase.

      It could mean:
      You're too old;
      You're too young;
      You have bad breath or body odour;
      You didn't dress well enough;
      You dressed so smartly that you made the interviewer feel dowdy;
      You're so ugly that the rest of the staff will resign;
      You're so attractive that the rest of the staff will be totally distracted and not get any work done;
      The interviewer flirted with you and you didn't respond;
      You flirted with the interviewer and they didn't like it;
      You expressed a personal opinion which the interviewer disagreed with;
      You talked too much;
      You talked too little;
      The interviewer saw you getting into your sports car and decided you already had enough money;
      Another candidate is the CEO's niece/nephew/stepson;
      Or another candidate had bigger boobs.

      Seriously - most company appointments at senior level are all about personality. If you just didn't click with the interviewer - or they just clicked better with someone else - then you lose out.

      So don't let this episode decide your whole future if you're not ready. I'm a great fan of ditching the 9-5, but don't do it because you assume you're not cut out for it on the basis of one interview.
      Lol! Gotta love the honesty from someone who had been in the field...!
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    • Profile picture of the author RobinInTexas
      Originally Posted by Karen Barr View Post

      You just didn't click with the interviewer - or they just clicked better with someone else - you lost out.

      So don't let this episode decide your whole future if you're not ready.
      {edited}

      Like Karen Said
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    • Profile picture of the author Mystery777
      Originally Posted by Karen Barr View Post

      In all honesty, unless you feel that you flunked the interview in some way, I can tell you from having worked in recruitment that the phrase used means they just didn't like you for some reason. It's a "let him down without hurting his feelings" phrase.

      It could mean:
      You're too old;
      You're too young;
      You have bad breath or body odour;
      You didn't dress well enough;
      You dressed so smartly that you made the interviewer feel dowdy;
      You're so ugly that the rest of the staff will resign;
      You're so attractive that the rest of the staff will be totally distracted and not get any work done;
      The interviewer flirted with you and you didn't respond;
      You flirted with the interviewer and they didn't like it;
      You expressed a personal opinion which the interviewer disagreed with;
      You talked too much;
      You talked too little;
      The interviewer saw you getting into your sports car and decided you already had enough money;
      Another candidate is the CEO's niece/nephew/stepson;
      Or another candidate had bigger boobs.

      Seriously - most company appointments at senior level are all about personality. If you just didn't click with the interviewer - or they just clicked better with someone else - then you lose out.

      So don't let this episode decide your whole future if you're not ready. I'm a great fan of ditching the 9-5, but don't do it because you assume you're not cut out for it on the basis of one interview.
      Ditto! Possibly the best reply. Was going to mention something along the same lines, but Karen laid it down in an organized form.

      Got a coupla similar experiences before, when I used to work in the corporate world. Found out it was because:

      1- They didn't like my personality. They were looking for very supplicative people whom they can control 100% down the road. I don't give that vibe.

      2- Second time: I simply didn't talk a lot, which apparently was something they were looking for (although had nothing to do with my job position and I like to keep my answers prompt). They sent me a polite decline message, but someone who works there told me later on that the interviewer told him that I don't talk a lot and he can't figure what I was thinking. Go figure.

      Thanks God I own and run my own biz now! The irony is that I find myself occasionally filtering and qualifying my employees based on the same criteria. lol
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    You should call that dude back and give him the same rant you just gave us.
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  • Profile picture of the author Steve Wells
    I am anti corporation for sure, in my opinion, it's just legalized modern slavery. Of course you get paid well usually, and it does fit into the mass majority of peoples goals in life.

    I can assure you that "the grass is not greener on the other side".

    The one thing that you always take with you to every job, is your attitude.

    I'm not saying that you have a bad attitude, but many do and they think that by doing something else things will change, but they do not seem to understand that what goes on between your ears, has a major effect on what goes on outside and around you.

    If you have responsibilities that require you to keep making the same amount of money that you do in the corporate job, STAY, until you have enough money coming in reliably and consistently from another income source.

    If you do not do the above, you will just add unneeded pressure to yourself and your family.

    I am sure that you can find or make the time, to build an extra income to replace the main source of your funds, either with rental property or overtime with internet marketing, if you do the work required.

    If one person can do it, then surely another person can do it, we all have the same physical equipment (in general).
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  • Profile picture of the author Benjamin Ehinger
    Originally Posted by hal1989 View Post

    Hi,

    I work for a very large corporation (which I don't particularly like) and had a job interview with another up and coming company yesterday. I didn't get the job because they told my headhunter - "He definitely had the skills and experience to do the job but we didn't feel that he was excited about it. He just didn't have the energy we are looking for."

    No energy? I wake up between 4-4:30 every morning to work out or read. I work 50-60 hours per week at my corporate job, own 7 rental properties (13 units) that cash flow about 2/3 of what I make from my corporate job each month, and still manage to spend lots of time with my kids (3) and their sports. I think I have a little energy. I've successfully flipped several houses as well.

    This reaction about my low energy got me to thinking. Before the interview I was having lunch at Jimmy John's and they had a quote on their table:



    Maybe I just don't have any more energy for the corporate world, and these are signs? I love being a landlord (yeah I'm a little sick in the head) and love being in charge of running the properties without getting 9 different approvals to go to the bathroom.

    So I want to use my energy where it works best. I think I have lots of it. I am asking the forum here about getting into internet marketing. I have tried a couple of times in the past and not liked where the mentor I was working with was taking me.

    I've written a couple of e-books that I am thinking of putting on amazon Kindle. I made a blog for them and sold some copies but nothing to write home about. I'm wondering about writing several more 'how to' books and make some money that way. If I can get to about $4,000 per month combined with my rental income, I could quit the corporate world for good - and I bet my energy level would soar.

    Any advice? I am ticked off enough to have lots of motivation. Thanks for anything you can offer me.
    Do you have energy for internet marketing or will it turn into something very much like your corporate job? It sounds to me like you should concentrate on building the rental income or flipping a few more house to cover the rest of the necessary income to leave your job.

    It's funny you mention the Jimmy John's quote, as it's very similar to what Dave Ramsey teaches in Financial Peace University. He constantly talks about living like no one else now, so you can live and give like no one else later.

    Maybe sitting down and looking at your budget might help. You may be able to cut back in some areas temporarily as you make the transition and build your rental business a little more.

    Whatever you decide I wish you plenty of luck and prosperity. It makes me happy to read about people getting pissed at the corporate world and finally making steps towards something the love!

    Benjamin Ehinger
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  • Profile picture of the author SEO4hire
    My advice? This is one person's opinion, and could be a blessing in disguise. One door closes, another one opens. Based on your accomplishments, it looks like you must have some energy to be able to get those things done. Then again, maybe you came across as tired because you have been doing all of those things...LOL.
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    • Profile picture of the author Kay King
      Fact is - there are so many regulations about hiring and interviewing and fair practices...interviewers seldom give the real reason for not hiring you.

      They have to use generic or personality traits to avoid all the legal issues. Jobs today have massive numbers of applicants and only one is hired for each job. That's real life.

      it's just legalized modern slavery. Of course you get paid well usually, and it does fit into the mass majority of peoples goals in life.
      That's a dismissive attitude that I don't share. Work is what you do to support your lifestyle...at least it used to be. It's great if you love what you do - but it's also great when you have a job to support yourself and your family.

      It's people who work who create all the products we think we need and those jobs are important to the people they support and to customers who need the products made.

      Some people view any "job" as slavery - others see it as opportunity. To each his own.
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        it's just legalized modern slavery. Of course you get paid well usually, and it does fit into the mass majority of peoples goals in life.

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        That's a dismissive attitude that I don't share. Work is what you do to support your lifestyle...at least it used to be. It's great if you love what you do - but it's also great when you have a job to support yourself and your family.

        It's people who work who create all the products we think we need and those jobs are important to the people they support and to customers who need the products made.

        Some people view any "job" as slavery - others see it as opportunity. To each his own.
        Every job I ever had, I was paid well in pay and benefits and learned a great deal. I wouldn't really have been nearly as prepared to work for myself without that experience. In addition to the education and experience, I supported my family. Slaves don't get wages and benefits.
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  • Profile picture of the author goindeep
    Originally Posted by hal1989 View Post

    Hi,

    I didn't get the job because they told my headhunter - "He definitely had the skills and experience to do the job but we didn't feel that he was excited about it. He just didn't have the energy we are looking for."
    Why do you care enough to tell us? Who gives a s**t, seriously... that's life, get over it and move on with your life namaste.
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    • Profile picture of the author hal1989
      Originally Posted by Andrei Rotariu View Post

      Why do you care enough to tell us? Who gives a s**t, seriously... that's life, get over it and move on with your life namaste.
      Andrei,

      That's probably the best advice I got out of this whole string. Thanks for it. People are not successful in life because they whine and complain a lot. They are successful because they take action and fix what is bugging them. My apologies for the rant. I was just PO'd after the interview and wanted to vent.

      Screw what those interviewers thought. I spent the weekend formatting my ebook for Kindle and planning out the next rental property rehab that I just acquired from another bank. It sure felt awesome. This interview rejection may be the best thing that ever happened to me. I'm having a blast working my way out of the corporate world!

      Thanks again to all of you for the inspiration. I'm sure I will have a lot of questions along the way, but hopefully someday I can help someone else out of a similar situation.
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  • Profile picture of the author sbucciarel
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    Originally Posted by hal1989 View Post

    No energy? I wake up between 4-4:30 every morning to work out or read. I work 50-60 hours per week at my corporate job, own 7 rental properties (13 units) that cash flow about 2/3 of what I make from my corporate job each month, and still manage to spend lots of time with my kids (3) and their sports. I think I have a little energy. I've successfully flipped several houses as well.
    They don't care what time you wake up or how much you work out or read. They want to see and feel excitement. You have to want the job to get it. I have had interviews that, once I met the interviewer, I clearly did not want the job and I've had interviews where I wanted the job so bad I could taste it. I usually got the jobs that I wanted. They could tell that I was enthusiastic about the opportunity. Sounds like you came off "flat" in the interview.
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  • Profile picture of the author AngelaLuo
    Take a good rest and don't let others' judgement inflect you that much .
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  • Profile picture of the author Mousumi
    60 hours a week is hell...even if you enjoy your work. Take a time off and chill....you need some rest. Writing a book is also a sort of work and too involving. Just take some weeks off doing nothing....
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  • Profile picture of the author Mark Hess
    Even if you got that new job, chances are you would still revert back to having theses same thoughts and ideas you're having right now down the road. So the best time to start doing something is right now.

    I would recommend taking all the knowledge you have about flipping and/or renting properties and turn it into either online courses or 'workshops'. These have higher perceived value. (use Kindle just for lead gen).

    Anything having to do with real estate is a massive evergreen niche (even in tough economic times).

    There's tons of others to network with that are always looking to promote new products to their audience. The crowd that's into this stuff will keep buying and buying.
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