So frustrated.. I can't do this but I don't want to quit

by Epidot
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A bit about me first. I am moving abroad to the Philippines in about 6 months time. Me and my GF are currently creating a business there, however I do not beleive the business will be quite enough to live as comfortable as we wish so I want to start a Website for extra income before I go there. This is why i'm pursuing this. So as you can imagine, hitting a brick wall when I actually have a real reason to continue with IM is very frustrating.

First I found a niche I thought was great. i'm not going to hide the niche because I wont be doing it and it was a bad decision i think. Language learning.

I had the website built, just needed to add content. I had over 25 keywords. What happened?

A couple of my main keywords which had about 20,000 results in google, shot up when i next looked to over 70,000! I have no idea how but they did. This is in quotes. So the difficulty to get ranked high went up straight off the bat.

Also I realised that if it requires the right keywords to sell products, having over 25 means "nothing" if they arn't going to capture people who want to purchase what I promote. Then I looked at the keywords which are useful and saw that they had been targeted by 2 specific people who are authorities in that niche which I am certain I can not out rank. Every time I would enter a god keyword of mine, they would be 1 and 2 in Google. I do not think it's wise to pursue this niche when i'm hitting for what? 10% traffic on the keywords by being in position 3..

Also I realised that language learning is not a good niche. It does not have levels of micro niches to ding into. Either it's promote this learning software or promote that learning software. There is no real sub niche. If I was to narrow it down to learning a specific language..I would be cutting off most of the target audience and even then the 2 other guys would still out perform me.

So After this I decided to look for another niche in which I could use my website template on. I've hit a brick wall and it just seems impossible.

I want to make sure I chose the right niche because I really need to be making at least a few hundred a month in 6 months time and do not have years for trial and error.

I believe the main reason i'm confused and stuck is because all the guru videos and guides which contradict eachother. I end up not knowing what to believe.

It's like:

Amount of google results do matter!
no no no
Only the top 10 matter!

Use exact on GKT
no no no
Use phrase or broard match

Amazon products are over saturated
no no no
There are still ways to make lots of money with them

Amazon is bad because of the 4% low commission
no no no
Amazon is great because the trust factor and whatever they buy with your cookie you get commission

Just pick a high gravity product on CB and promote it
no no no
CB products are 90% crap and the 10% good are over saturated

the list goes on and on

Also the guides are completely dumbed down to a rediculous level. For example a teacher will tell you to go to Amazon and chose a popular product, find low competition keywords and make a site.

This completely eludes me. Popular products are saturated to high heaven, low competition "decent" keywords don't exist in worth while places and I find the competition is always to high.

As for click bank.. it's so over saturated on the decent products that I have no idea how it's possible to promote anything on there.

To me.. it's like .com URL's. 99.9% of the good valuable ones are "gone". And this is the same for all Amazon products and Click bank products. I mean why would there be any low competition things left? a couple of sites in which millions of people try to creat affiliate sites upon... seems the odds of finding one that many others have not seen/tried is very very low.

To top it off, I still am not sure if I should promote Amazon products, CB products or a totally different Affiliate programme.

I'm scared of choosing a bad niche and failing in the limited time I have to make this work.

Can anyone provide some advice which can clear my mind

thanks
#frustrated #quit
  • Profile picture of the author gepisar
    If it was easy...

    Consider manufacturing. Know that all the things human beings have made so far is just a "dot" in comparison to the set of things that could be made now and in the future. New technologies will come along, new ways of doing things and new products will fill the marketplace. Evolution baby!

    To clear my mind, i watch a couple of videos. Im a techno fan, so i watch films about pioneers like Seymour Cray, early Steve Jobs videos. It gets you into their thinking. Go and watch a Frank Kern video or Robert Cialdini video.

    "Model" these people. Think like they do. Your unconscious mind process information much faster that your serial-linear-conscious mind. Trust it. Let it be creative. Engage in a creative process, draw, sing, do a painting. These exercises often manifest new thoughts. Get out of your local environment. Do something you never did before. Scare yourself...

    Remember also, its not just niches that make $$$, the big picture or a game changer is also not beyond your reach.

    "If its humanly possible, its within your grasp"

    If you have a good idea but cant code it, start a JV.

    If you're in a competitive area, do it better than anyone else.

    If you have access to HNWI let me know - ive got just the product!

    I guess one of the "secrets" is to fail faster!

    Fail faster, make connections, grow your network, meet interesting people. Start a club, do a meetup. This will bring you closer to the leading edge or bleeding edge of those technology changes...then you will be positioned to strike.

    Just some ideas... hopefully useful.
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    • Profile picture of the author GlenH
      You need to hone in on niche markets full of 'desperate buyers'.

      Is there anyone in the language learning niche who might be considered a 'desperate buyer' (maybe someone who needs to learn French in 7days :rolleyes but other than that...no.

      Change your thinking and focus..
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    • Profile picture of the author Epidot
      Great words of wisdom indeed. However the way I see if is that it all come down to getting traffic. Which either means paying for it or having people find you on search engines. The latter being my choice as well as most peoples. This then means that Keywords play a most important role. There are only so many words in the English language. There are only a finite amount of popular phrases types into google which are above 1000 searches per month. So to me.. the tools in which I can use are very slim due to saturation. I do not feel I can come up with the next big thing or think of somthing no one else is doing. How could I? it's a funnel effect, all stemming from the GKT and what people are actually searching for. No good coming up with a great idea if the search volume if just not there...
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    • Profile picture of the author KatrinaPuckett
      It's called information overload. BrianDouglas was so right. That is an on target game plan. Too many are focused on SEO when that changes like the wind. You have to be more focused on relationship building. Think of it as if you weren't online. The world we live in feeds off of relationships. We follow and listen to people that we trust. So by focusing on building relationships and offering value to your audience you end up having a win win situation. Forums are perfect places to do this, as well as Guest Blogging. Solo ads are also great opps to generate traffic. Hang in there, things will come together for you...if you focus on just a couple strategies and move away from relying on just or mostly SEO for traffic you'll be just fine...
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  • Profile picture of the author BrianDouglas
    DO this, okay? DO it and stick with it for a while:

    1: List 5 to 10 things you love. Doesn't matter what they are, just that there are products around the interest, and that you enjoy them.

    2: Start a blog around the favorite one of those interests. Maybe more later, but START with only ONE.

    3: Sign up to 5 or 10 forums - yes, that many - around that interest. You can join as a regular member who will link "this blog post I found" sometimes, OR as the author of that blog, which is better. You can't constantly be linking the same site as if you found it, and as the official owner, you get your sig line to let people know there is more out there for them from you after your forum posts.

    4: Write in your blog every day, or at least 5 days a week if you can. Less is okay if you are too busy sometimes, so don't pressure yourself, just start building content - and never stop. You like your blog topic, you already check news on it and etc, cause it's one of your interests, so it won't be hard, and soon you will fall into the ability to just type for a few minutes and post. In the beginning, monetize posts which get traffic.

    5: Keep building. Over time, you will gain trust from Google. Don't worry about search engines. Worry more about the communities you cater to. Let the search engine do its own thing. SEO is over rated. You can write posts targeted to certain keywords, but you WILL find that no matter what keywords you target in THIS day and age, 90% of all of your traffic from search engines will NOT be for your keyword targeted anyway. They will be for similar searches or completely unrelated searches. Don't ignore SEO in terms of structure of your site, usability, and trying to target things you know people will search for, but rely more on your content and sharing your links (again, forum sigs, as well as many other more direct ways "I wrote about this actually, here:" stuff like that quote).

    It will take time, different time for everyone. Once you have 20 or so posts, start mentioning them in your new posts. Always go through your old posts, re-reading them, with intention to write more about that, and link back to your old posts. Even if people don't follow the links, the spiders do. And search engines are on a PAGE BY PAGE basis, NOT on a Site by Site.

    Any other kind of site you do secondary to your blog, related to your blog topic or not. Those you do here-and-there and have some fun, and get a hit or not a hit, but your blog will be something that grows in value, that you enjoy writing, and that is easy to bring people to.

    Good luck, I truly hope I've helped.
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  • Profile picture of the author Stevie C
    I can understand how you are feeling with a deadline of six months, fear of getting it wrong and paralysis because you don't know if you are doing the right thing.
    You need a plan and to start taking action.
    The gurus guides and videos don't contradict each other, there's just more than one way to skin a cat, take a system and work with it.
    If I was starting a fresh and in you situation, I like the look of this WSO I have nothing to do with this guy but his system seems to be working and it will allow you to take action straight away, if you can make one site work then there is no reason why you can't scale it up with more sites. If you do the work and don't make any money he will buy the site back from you.

    http://www.warriorforum.com/warrior-...-designed.html

    On a second note the Phillipines would be a great place to set up an outsourcing company, something to think about in the future maybe?
    Larry
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  • Profile picture of the author 50cali8er
    Hey! I think what you have to do is unsubscribe all your "gurus" mailing list. You are getting information overload.
    After that make a detailed plan on how to make a successful website. Stick with a plan until you succeed or you fail. Learn from fail, make adjustments to plan and keep going.
    Start reading motivational books. Try Napoleon Hill - Think and Grow Rich. You can find it free in Google.
    I am afraid you need to give some time to Google. You have to get traffic somewhere else. Try language forums. Make a SEO plan, maybe even for half of years. Real backlinks come from your valuable content and on page optimization.

    Good luck
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  • Profile picture of the author Epidot
    @ BrianDouglas

    I guess your right. Trying to set up a site based on finding 10-20 low competition highly searched keywords perhaps is just not a good idea of possible task like it once was. Perhaps I should create a site/blog on what I enjoy without focusing on Google so much.

    However i'd like to know your thought on how you would go abut incorporating such keywords over time into a niche which I enjoy that may well be in high competition.

    Surely I cannot solely rely on traffic from forums.Soon I would have to focus keywords and if I chose a highly competitive niche. Would I not then get stuck big time?

    I'm always told that keywords on your pages are very important. If them same keywords are found on millions of other sites would I not have chosen the wrong keywords and the wrong niche?

    thanks
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  • Profile picture of the author Epidot
    What would be the best way forward for me.

    1 ) A Review site linking to Amazon products

    2) A authority site with affiliate products

    Just looking for opinions so I can settle on a plan of action. I'm torn between the two options.
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  • Profile picture of the author BrianDouglas
    Remember that the search engine ranks on page by page basis. So you can constantly be re-linking back to yourself, and building up old posts more and more that way, while you continue to post new content. The more popular the better for this. The more people on those forums, the better.

    The more you become an "Unofficial leader" in a community, the better as well.

    You will get more and more attention from google the more people are visiting your site. As long as you keep in mind that it is page-by-page in search engines, then you can easily find ways to link to your old posts, using certain keywords for those. You simply keyword each post by post.

    Over time, you will find what your strengths are in your keywords, and your site will define its own keywords, of course from your input.

    People sell keyword lists, but the most powerful ones for your own site and the most valuable ones will be those - the ones you find in your own stats.

    Make sure you use a good SEO plugin like Yoast's wordpress seo plugin, and it's trivial at that point to toss in your keys and optimize the page itself before you post it.

    The successful blogs have 1,000s of posts - they aren't targeting the same even 100 keywords in those posts. They are linking themselves (since it's page-by-page) smartly and keep writing and writing more.

    "Don't be intimidated by competition". If your goal is only IM/marketing/selling, then you can be intimidated. Otherwise, don't be. Because more competition is GOOD for bloggers who are active in the communities they are blogging to. More competition = more for you to write about. More news in that industry, more topics to cover in that interest or niche.
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    • Profile picture of the author Epidot
      Originally Posted by BrianDouglas View Post

      Remember that the search engine ranks on page by page basis. So you can constantly be re-linking back to yourself, and building up old posts more and more that way, while you continue to post new content. The more popular the better for this. The more people on those forums, the better.

      The more you become an "Unofficial leader" in a community, the better as well.

      You will get more and more attention from google the more people are visiting your site. As long as you keep in mind that it is page-by-page in search engines, then you can easily find ways to link to your old posts, using certain keywords for those. You simply keyword each post by post.

      Over time, you will find what your strengths are in your keywords, and your site will define its own keywords, of course from your input.

      People sell keyword lists, but the most powerful ones for your own site and the most valuable ones will be those - the ones you find in your own stats.

      Make sure you use a good SEO plugin like Yoast's wordpress seo plugin, and it's trivial at that point to toss in your keys and optimize the page itself before you post it.

      The successful blogs have 1,000s of posts - they aren't targeting the same even 100 keywords in those posts. They are linking themselves (since it's page-by-page) smartly and keep writing and writing more.

      "Don't be intimidated by competition". If your goal is only IM/marketing/selling, then you can be intimidated. Otherwise, don't be. Because more competition is GOOD for bloggers who are active in the communities they are blogging to. More competition = more for you to write about. More news in that industry, more topics to cover in that interest or niche.

      Thanks for the advice. And based on that advice, would you recommend starting a blog as you suggest and building over time, or starting a product review site for Amazon? Remember I really have 6 months only to see the benefits. Not 2 years to build a user base..

      I would assume your answer would be a product review site for Amazon given the short amount of time I have. In which case do your suggestions still fit when creating a product review site for a "product line" such as i dont no... weight benches or tool kits.

      thanks
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  • Profile picture of the author simonj007
    Hi,

    Stay focused, you will succeed.

    Offer people solutions to their problems and you can't go wrong...

    Happy to help those that want help.

    Regards,
    Simon
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  • Profile picture of the author Stevie C
    How much time have you to spend on your IM endevours a day? If you have the time I would work on both.
    Building a blog like Brian says is certainly the best long term strategy but it could be a long wait before you make any profit from it, it's a sound method though.

    As I mentioned with the WSO I recommended, the OP gives you the task of writing 50 articles over a 60 day period in a certain way - so basically he has done most of the thinking for you so you can start taking action.
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    • Profile picture of the author Epidot
      Originally Posted by Larry Darrell View Post

      How much time have you to spend on your IM endevours a day? If you have the time I would work on both.
      Building a blog like Brian says is certainly the best long term strategy but it could be a long wait before you make any profit from it, it's a sound method though.

      As I mentioned with the WSO I recommended, the OP gives you the task of writing 50 articles over a 60 day period in a certain way - so basically he has done most of the thinking for you so you can start taking action.
      That WSO does seem great. I might contact Tom. I did already pay for Thesis 2.0 which has a great whole new interface. I guess that would have to be scrapped if I get the WSO and use his template. Probably not a bad thing though if hi template if more suited to promoting Amazon products.

      I work on shifts. 4 days on 4 days off kind of thing and it changes between days and nights. So I have plenty of time to work on a website.

      I think I will have to go down down the Amazon route even if commisions are low. Even I have doubts because so many other people also have there Amazon product review sites out there that im not sure how mine can stand out. But I guess if it brings in even $100 a month only. Duplicating the site for other product lines can bring in multiple times more.

      thanks for all the advice.
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  • Profile picture of the author BrianDouglas
    You can lace posts in your blog with amazon. The most successful Amazon associates are bloggers. And amazon stores are okay, but once people bookmark your site and keep shopping there, they will ban you, because amazon ONLY wants to credit you once per person. They do NOT want successful affiliate stores, they want only successful first time gateways. Once there is a volume of people who continue to shop your site into Amazon, they will end that. They want new customers. Honestly Amazon store can take just as long to see results, when you can put adsense on your blog pretty quick, and again, lace popular posts with amazon links, put amazon in the sidebar, etc.

    When people shop for stuff online these days they go straight to amazon. You are better off making money with amazon by getting them to the site, no matter how you do it, and hoping they buy something on their own within 24 hours. Basically, if you're going to do an Amazon site for affiliate commissions, you are much better off dropshipping and will make more money with the same level of success IMO.

    Making bank in Amazon is harder these days, that's all. Your blog would have the benefit of being multi-faceted. An Amazon store will be stuck on amazon mode and like i said, if you get repeat customers on an AA store, you're just going to get banned from there anyway - they only want you to introduce people to amazon, not send them repeat sales.

    It can take two years, or it can take one week to see profits on a blog. The more competitive the niche you select and the more you like it anyway, the easier it will be, because the forums for the niche will be popular, full of new faces daily, full of the same faces daily, and full of traffic for you. Start a blog, and put an amazon store in it, and let your blog help your store rank is my opinion

    But really, all you need to do is be in something that you can link to amazon sometimes, or to your own reviews. Review stuff, and link back to them from time to time. That is the #1 thing to do imho, is to have a site that you love to write in and love to participate in the community in. Then, branch out from there, try the amazon store thing, try the other stuff out there, but make a blog that you enjoy working in first. You will learn a lot from your blog anyhow =)
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    • Profile picture of the author Epidot
      Originally Posted by BrianDouglas View Post

      You can lace posts in your blog with amazon. The most successful Amazon associates are bloggers. And amazon stores are okay, but once people bookmark your site and keep shopping there, they will ban you, because amazon ONLY wants to credit you once per person. They do NOT want successful affiliate stores, they want only successful first time gateways. Once there is a volume of people who continue to shop your site into Amazon, they will end that. They want new customers. Honestly Amazon store can take just as long to see results, when you can put adsense on your blog pretty quick, and again, lace popular posts with amazon links, put amazon in the sidebar, etc.

      When people shop for stuff online these days they go straight to amazon. You are better off making money with amazon by getting them to the site, no matter how you do it, and hoping they buy something on their own within 24 hours. Basically, if you're going to do an Amazon site for affiliate commissions, you are much better off dropshipping and will make more money with the same level of success IMO.

      Making bank in Amazon is harder these days, that's all. Your blog would have the benefit of being multi-faceted. An Amazon store will be stuck on amazon mode and like i said, if you get repeat customers on an AA store, you're just going to get banned from there anyway - they only want you to introduce people to amazon, not send them repeat sales.

      It can take two years, or it can take one week to see profits on a blog. The more competitive the niche you select and the more you like it anyway, the easier it will be, because the forums for the niche will be popular, full of new faces daily, full of the same faces daily, and full of traffic for you. Start a blog, and put an amazon store in it, and let your blog help your store rank is my opinion

      But really, all you need to do is be in something that you can link to amazon sometimes, or to your own reviews. Review stuff, and link back to them from time to time. That is the #1 thing to do imho, is to have a site that you love to write in and love to participate in the community in. Then, branch out from there, try the amazon store thing, try the other stuff out there, but make a blog that you enjoy working in first. You will learn a lot from your blog anyhow =)
      Thanks I will read what you put a couple of time to fully understand.

      Your pretty much suggesting I create primarily a blog site which talks about my chosen niche and answers peoples need and questions. Within the posts I can post links to my review and even to Amazon directly etc.

      So a site mixed with a bit of this and bit of that. Which makes sense., I guess this would mean I shouldn't get that WSO as its a site template purely for product reviews. Which Might get me banned from Amazon after a while. OR is that only when using the Astore? I wouldnt use an Astore. Only reviews with links to Amazon. Would they still ban me for having I.E 50 products with reviews only? no Astore

      Are there some niches which you would suggest keeping away from no matter if im interested in it?
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      • Profile picture of the author Epidot
        Ok I think I no what I want to make a blog site about.

        I wish I could say but apparently it's not a good idea to tell?

        If I could say then I think replies from you guys would much help me
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    • Profile picture of the author Jeannie Crabtree
      @BrianDouglas I would respectfully disagree. There is someone on here with the user name MYOB and he has quite a business out of emailing his list and getting repeat orders on Amazon.

      Once people trust you and your website, they may come to your site over and over again. I find people who skip amazon as the first listing and end up on mine which may be a few down on the first page. They want more info, they want to see what other people say before ready to make the purchase.

      It would be silly of amazon to cut off an accumulated big source of traffic and income by only taking the order once from any site and then what? ban your site? If an affiliate can send them more sales over and over again, even if it was from the same person, don't you think they would want to keep that affiliate?

      You can put an add to cart button on your post and it will hold the order until they purchase. You will get credited for that order up to 90 days.

      I have had amazon affiliate sites that have not done that well, and sites that are doing well. One thing to keep in mind is to review items over $100. If you find some with higher price tags, you will make more of an affiliate commission as well. It is not hard to get up to 6% to 6.5% payout.

      @Epidot You would not get paid from Amazon for two months out from the month you made a sale and it accumulates to $10. So it can be slow at the start. And I would never suggest that that is all a person does is affiliate with Amazon. Any affiliate program can change at any time. But a couple medium size niche websites as part of the package of what you do on the web can make a big difference and buffer the ups and downs of making money on the web.

      Can your girlfriend be putting up some blogs and doing reviews while you pursue other things? Can she do blog comments, which point back at your sites to get more traffic and lead to sales? (also helps with ranking higher).

      Another thing to remember is some things will fail. You can shorten this process sometimes by making a blog and then pointing some advertising at it to see how it goes. If you cannot get any traction, If you are a person that does backlinking, get some quality backlinks (not a large quantity) and leave it alone for a couple months. Check how it is doing after that.

      So in a sense, I am encouraging you to pull up & build a few sites in the next six months. The sooner you get started, the better it is going to be by your move date.

      And I would not give up on the site you have just yet. (You picked a steeper hill, but it is all one step at a time). It is a big strong niche, but in time you would build a mailing list, it will become an authority site and make sales.

      Jeannie


      Originally Posted by BrianDouglas View Post

      And amazon stores are okay, but once people bookmark your site and keep shopping there, they will ban you, because amazon ONLY wants to credit you once per person. They do NOT want successful affiliate stores, they want only successful first time gateways. Once there is a volume of people who continue to shop your site into Amazon, they will end that. They want new customers. Honestly Amazon store can take just as long to see results, when you can put adsense on your blog pretty quick, and again, lace popular posts with amazon links, put amazon in the sidebar, etc.

      When people shop for stuff online these days they go straight to amazon. You are better off making money with amazon by getting them to the site, no matter how you do it, and hoping they buy something on their own within 24 hours.
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      • Profile picture of the author vicdublin
        I suggest you think of any service you are good at that you can provide here and start off immediately. In six months, you could be making tons. just think!
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        • Profile picture of the author Mark Andrews
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          Is the OP actually interested in this thread or just wanting to have his ears tickled?

          Only I'm witnessing quite a few Warrior's taking time out of their day to help this poster offering some good advice but the OP is nowhere to be seen.

          Epidot, you asked a specific question, answers and solutions have been provided but where are you?

          What gives?


          Mark Andrews
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          • Profile picture of the author vicdublin
            Originally Posted by Mark Andrews View Post

            Is the OP actually interested in this thread or just wanting to have his ears tickled?

            Only I'm witnessing quite a few Warrior's taking time out of their day to help this poster offering some good advice but the OP is nowhere to be seen.

            Epidot, you asked a specific question, answers and solutions have been provided but where are you?

            What gives?


            Mark Andrews
            Hmmm! Epidot still nowhere to be found. Maybe he's in the Phillipines now Mark Andrews! lol
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  • Profile picture of the author Stevie C
    I know lots of people banking big money on Amazon with product review sites, I am doing fairly well with it myself. I'd give you my blueprint but I don't really have one I use a mixture of WP sites, Video Marketing & Squidoo sites. You will not get banned from Amazon for having a succesful Amazon review site, A-stores just don't convert that's why I wouldn't use them.
    I'm in a similar situation to you myself, I will be moving fulltime to Thailand next week, today is my last doing the 9-5. I plan to keep on making money with Amazon but also working on projects that are less reliant on Google and more long term.
    Why not give the WSO a go as with this you can take immediate action and then start working on a Blog using Brian's stragegy for the rest of the time?

    The more you will read from different people on this thread the more confused you will become and what you need to be doing is taking action.
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    • Profile picture of the author Epidot
      I have taken all of the advise given to me. I will create a blog site about what I know alot about and include reviews on things which relate, passing people onto Amazon aswell as affiliate programmes I find.

      Thanks alot for your help my mind is alot clearer now. I just hope than when I start looking towards to practical aspects such as GTK that I don't get stuck again. The niche I have chosen is something I was going to do a while ago. It's a sub niche and I think it's competitive but I wont let that stop me. Thats exactly what has been holding me back.

      Thanks again
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    • Profile picture of the author Epidot
      Originally Posted by Larry Darrell View Post

      I know lots of people banking big money on Amazon with product review sites, I am doing fairly well with it myself. I'd give you my blueprint but I don't really have one I use a mixture of WP sites, Video Marketing & Squidoo sites. You will not get banned from Amazon for having a succesful Amazon review site, A-stores just don't convert that's why I wouldn't use them.
      I'm in a similar situation to you myself, I will be moving fulltime to Thailand next week, today is my last doing the 9-5. I plan to keep on making money with Amazon but also working on projects that are less reliant on Google and more long term.
      Why not give the WSO a go as with this you can take immediate action and then start working on a Blog using Brian's stragegy for the rest of the time?

      The more you will read from different people on this thread the more confused you will become and what you need to be doing is taking action.
      Have a great time in Thailand. Bet your excited. I am. I've been to the Philippines two times so far which is where my GF lives. It's a whole new life style. But i'm up for the challenge.

      All the best
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  • Profile picture of the author gcbmark20
    Hi Epidot!

    What always nags at me is I see so many people working their hardest and willing to spend the time it takes to get to where they want to be.

    But with all this hard work they are not building a list of subscribers.

    Now building a list maybe not suited to every single niche but hey you could always choose one that fits the bill and nothing is ever set in stone.

    If you're going to work hard why not put it to great use by building a targeted list of subscribers and being able to build relationships, trust and credibility with them.

    Then you can begin to promote related products and services to them and making sales becomes much easier when you market this way.

    Marketing before selling is key!

    It sounds as though you are keen to do what it takes so feel free to download the list building report below to get you started.

    All the best and have a great day my friend!!!
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    • Profile picture of the author Epidot
      Originally Posted by gcbmark20 View Post

      Hi Epidot!

      What always nags at me is I see so many people working their hardest and willing to spend the time it takes to get to where they want to be.

      But with all this hard work they are not building a list of subscribers.

      Now building a list maybe not suited to every single niche but hey you could always choose one that fits the bill and nothing is ever set in stone.

      If you're going to work hard why not put it to great use by building a targeted list of subscribers and being able to build relationships, trust and credibility with them.

      Then you can begin to promote related products and services to them and making sales becomes much easier when you market this way.

      Marketing before selling is key!

      It sounds as though you are keen to do what it takes so feel free to download the list building report below to get you started.

      All the best and have a great day my friend!!!
      Hi there. My newly chosen niche is well suited to a subscriber list. I will definitely be doing that. Thanks for the advice

      I should not even be racking my brains out. I should be asleep for my 12 hour shift tonight. woops
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  • Profile picture of the author Epidot
    Holy..... My main niche name brings up 5.5 million results in google.. calm down.. relax.. I can do this. lol
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    • Profile picture of the author Matt.Lake
      Originally Posted by Epidot View Post

      Holy..... My main niche name brings up 5.5 million results in google.. calm down.. relax.. I can do this. lol
      Stop putting your keywords in quotes to determine the competitiveness, it's a worthless metric.

      If you want to analyse how "hard" it will be to be on page one for a given keyword then analyse the top sites... it's not the total number of results that you're competing against.

      What you're currently doing is really old advice and I'm surprised it's still perpetuating!

      And in your original post you mentioned the search result for your keywords increasing... this happens all the time... and again, it doesn't matter
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  • Profile picture of the author cwill184
    Brian Douglas has pretty much hit the nail on the head with what you need to do. I don't think you should stray to far from this advice, maybe build some of your own links by commenting etc. One thing that I would recomend is creating your own product. 4% commision on Amazon is poor. Why not create your own product, there is lots more money in this than promoting Amazon stuff.
    Create a language learning video, subscription website or translation service. You probably know your customer better than me but try to get them to buy your stuff, not just market someone else's.
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  • Profile picture of the author Epidot
    I have one question

    So I am 100% on my chosen niche. I have big list of possible post titles.

    These titles will be what people search for. If all these title keyword phrases are showing 60,000 - 300,000 results in google. Should I be concerned or not?

    I need clarification on that please.

    Is it really a case of "do what interests you and you no alot about" even if keyword phrases are getting so many results?

    thanks
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  • Profile picture of the author johndetlefs
    If you really need quick money, I would consider doing VA work or article writing. That'll get you some quick cash and you can take a little more time deciding which one of the many ways you think will work best for you to create a viable business.

    This 6 month deadline that you have could end up stuffing you around if you let it set you doing some random thing after another hoping that it'll make you quick money.

    In fact, if you're going to Thailand where the monthly wage is very low then there is possibly a good chance that after doing some VA work you can set up a VA company where you hire out VA's to other people and profit from that.

    Lots of ways to skin a cat!
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  • Profile picture of the author Mark Andrews
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    Originally Posted by Epidot View Post

    "...however I do not beleive the business will be quite enough to live as comfortable as we wish..."

    "I've hit a brick wall and it just seems impossible."

    "I want to make sure I chose the right niche because I really need to be making at least a few hundred a month in 6 months time and do not have years for trial and error."

    "I believe the main reason i'm confused and stuck is because all the guru videos and guides which contradict eachother. I end up not knowing what to believe."

    "I'm scared of choosing a bad niche and failing in the limited time I have to make this work."

    "Can anyone provide some advice which can clear my mind"
    Not one to pussy foot around...

    ...your biggest problem, your biggest obstacle is you and your own self defeatist mindset.

    It might just be that you're not cut out for being in business for yourself.

    It might just be that the best move on your part is to go get a job working for somebody else so you don't have to think and act at a level not suited to your personality type.

    No shame in this. Lots of people falsely think they're cut out for self employment when the exact opposite is true. When faced with all of the problems of running your own business some cannot see opportunity, they only see obstacles rather than exploits and opportunities for growth in the greater marketplace.

    Better to face your demons now and face up to reality rather than going down a path which ultimately will in your case lead to more frustration and inevitably more failure.

    Your choice of wording above is most telling. Don't take this as a criticism, I'm not ridiculing you. This is constructive advice believe it or not!

    You want to blame other people for your lack of success.

    You want to blame other products for their lack of giving you personally all the pieces to the jigsaw puzzle you believe you're entitled to.

    Let me put it to you...

    The market... other people... other information products owe you personally not a single solitary thing. Nothing.

    If you want success in business...

    ...if you want fire in your belly (after the spark has been applied) this has to come from within yourself.

    Your present comfort zone is to moan at anything and everything about the world you're currently immersed in to project your inadequacy on to anything but yourself.

    Question is...

    ...when you start taking real responsibility for your own actions and you're prepared to burn your bridges behind you, to pay the price in advance... will you kick yourself up the arse to convey yourself up to the next step to get you and your personal lifestyle where you want it to be?

    If you cannot apply the thinking necessary to propel you forwards with a real entrepreneurial mindset on your shoulders...

    ...how can you apply the right kind of action?

    If you're forcing action based on the wrong kind of data (input directly fed in to your own mind by your own volition) - is it any wonder you're tripping over yourself?

    If none of this makes sense to you - get out of even thinking about working for yourself. Period. You won't be doing yourself any favors trying to position your life in a place where it cannot perform at an optimum level.

    If you merely gloss over these words without allowing them to really sink deep into your mind - you're sorely missing the point.

    Sometimes in life you need to know when to get off the bus. Choose another 'fairground ride' in life to further your personal aims, goals, and objectives.

    In a nutshell, to summarize...

    Your mindset needs adjusting first.

    You need to think differently to get a different and/or better set of results.

    If you don't do this, you'll be forever spinning your wheels without getting any traction.

    Smoking hot,


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  • Profile picture of the author AndreasJacobsen
    I would go with list building, as gcbmark20 also mentioned. However, list building can be as hard a task as any, but it is still way simpler than your "google method". Simpler, maybe not easier.

    If you are in a hurry, the first thing I would do is to get a mentor or join a coaching program. I am currently in the Marketing With Alex (alex jeffreys) coaching program, and the progress I have made far outweighs the progress I made otherwise throughout my 2 years of internet marketing. 2 years!

    To build up a good, profitable and RELIABLE online business, I would recommend learning from people as alex jeffreys, dean holland or lee mcintyre. the most sincere, successful guys I have yet bought something from.

    good luck, and I hope that my post was at all helpful!
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  • Profile picture of the author JustSomeWarrior
    Wow - as always there's a lot of good responses. I don't have much to add that the others didn't... but keep at it. You are taking action and that is what matters the most. You have found some things that work and some that don't.

    Stick with it and eventually you will find what works for you - I started out trying to set up niche sites and microsites and all of that junk and never made a cent. I used the skills I learned to create a site that generates leads for dealerships and I'm on track to make a killing in 2013 by building them and leasing them out to dealerships across the county. I never would have thought that's where my internet marketing adventure would take me... just stick with it, keep taking actions, and keep learning. You'll get it all right some day!

    -Steve
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  • Profile picture of the author Randall Magwood
    I would still be pressing on and marketing your site. Imagine where you will be 10 years from now. You would probably be earning $3,000 a month or more.

    This is not as much as $10,000/month as some people on here are making, but you wouldn't have to go into work anymore. Gotta put things in perspective sometimes.
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    • Profile picture of the author PvPGuy
      Originally Posted by Randall Magwood View Post

      ... Imagine where you will be 10 years from now. You would probably be earning $3,000 a month or more....you wouldn't have to go into work anymore. Gotta put things in perspective sometimes.
      um, working 10 years to make 3k a month? That's an interesting perspective in itself...

      Originally Posted by Epidot View Post

      ...I had over 25 keywords. What happened?

      A couple of my main keywords which had...over 70,000! [results]

      I do not think it's wise to pursue this niche when i'm hitting for what? 10% traffic on the keywords by being in position 3..

      I really need to be making at least a few hundred a month in 6 months time

      Can anyone provide some advice which can clear my mind?
      Its like parachuting. You can plan everything, double check, make sure you took every precaution...but once you get up there, you still have to jump.

      But perhaps I can show you that you have what it takes just pulling from your post above (the things I highlighted).

      Using your numbers, take just one of those keyword phrases that is getting 70k searches per month. If you can rank 3rd, and get 10% traffic, and convert that traffic at an average rate (1%), then you would already surpass your stated goal of a few hundred per month.

      70,000 x .10 = 7,000 hits per month
      7,000 x .01 conversion = 70 sales per month
      70 x average commission $35 = $2,450 per month from ONE keyword.

      How much is a few hundred? Because even if you had an appalling conversion rate of 3/10ths of a percent (.003), you'd still make ~$750 a month from that one keyword.

      Perspective is a wonderful/horrible thing.

      Best regards!
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  • Profile picture of the author Raydal
    I know there is a thread that indicates what to do when
    you are desperate but before you can make uncertain
    money (online marketing) you need some certain money
    as a foundation otherwise you are likely to make
    bad decisions.

    It's hard to make money when you need it. Money
    comes easier when you DON'T need money. It's
    just the nature of the beast. So get settled in the
    sure money before you venture elsewhere.

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  • Profile picture of the author lanew
    As others have pointed out, it's mindset. It's all really simple. Know you can achieve, then set your mind to achieving, set achievable and realistic goals, take action on achieving those goals, and you will achieve those goals. On the more practical side: become an authority in a niche where there are desperate buyers, (evergreen), and post quality and helpful content at least 2-3 times a week and in you will be successful.

    good luck.

    Be well,

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    • Profile picture of the author cjhj11
      If you can write quality content, there are countless ways to monetize this skill. You could outsource yourself to Elance etc, you can be paid to blog, you can build your own blog about something that you're knowledgeable about and incorporate affiliate products/adsense, you can write and publish e-books... Some of these methods will make you cash asap and some will happen over time.

      I think you just need to pick a business model, learn what you can from people who are already successful with that model, and then take action.

      Best of luck to you!
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  • Profile picture of the author icoachu
    What kind of business are you building in the Philippines, if you don't mind me asking? I agree with the statements above regarding SEO. It's in flux right now. You'd do better just doing forum marketing and list building. Use these to sell fixed digital goods or affiliate marketing.
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  • Profile picture of the author grey38
    If you're moving to the Philippines you don't have to make that much money. If you're making USD living in the philippines, you only need like 2k usd per year and you can live extremely comfortable.

    I say design some shirts, and just do your best to market them in US audiences. When you move to the philippines you'll be living great. The Philippine Peso is worth .02 of what the USD is worth. So one dollar is worth about 50x what the philippine dollar is worth. Don't stress it and try selling your own product.

    Honestly man if you got one SEO offline client in the US at 200 USD a month, you'd live good in the Philippines. Good luck.
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  • Profile picture of the author Epidot
    To be honest. I decided upon making an online website because I need something I can take with me to another country and what better than an online business..

    However if anyone has any better ideas for making a few hundred a month while i'm there I would appreciate it. And I will take the "making shirts" advice on board and look into that"
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  • Profile picture of the author Epidot
    Thanks to all who have commented. I'd like to break this down and ask even more from you guys if possible. Now.. even thought I am finding this all very difficult, I do here often that it is not very difficult to make a few hundred a month. Whether it be from Adsence or an Amazon review site..

    So for someone like me who has the time and will power to see this through. Please can you provide your simplest recommendation to me.

    Taking into account my goal for now is perhaps £300 per month only.. not £10,000

    1)Amazon review site on a single product line
    2)Niche informational site answering some kind of deperate need which I promote a CB product
    3)Pure Adsence site
    4) any other method you recommend

    With a brief description of how you would go about doing it in order to achieve this £300 a month

    I feel I would be more ready for this if I have a census of opinion on which of these methods to go for. I'm sure many of you have a good idea which methods to stay away from and which have a good chance of bring in this small target profit over a period of a few months.

    thanks again
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    • Profile picture of the author Mark Andrews
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      £300 per month eh? Dead easy.

      When you arrive in the Philippines depending on your location there start networking with other people straightaway. Talk to them. Find out what they do. Listen to them and take notes. Lots of notes. And organise them. (I'm switching to British spelling since I assume like me, you're from the UK).

      If you're going to be living in or near to Manila (capital city) or Cebu (major university city) you won't have any problems at all depending on your own drive and determination to succeed, to achieve your objective, your goal.

      Now £300 per month is peanuts. In fact, even asking here how to make such a low sum of money per month tells me you're probably not cut out for being in business for yourself full stop. Nonetheless, this aside...

      Find online a couple of businesses (6 at most in your case) here in the west, that is from the UK, the USA, Canada, Australia, or New Zealand, businesses who are looking for someone on the ground in the Philippines who can help them with their outsourcing needs.

      The Filipino's generally speaking have an excellent command of the English language. And they love working for companies here in the west. Extremely loyal and dedicated hard workers on the whole they're fortunately for you not the brightest sparks in the world when it comes to being in business for yourself. In other words, they love working for other companies here in the west (especially American companies).

      Basically, I'm advising you to set up a very small select recruitment company / business.

      Your first job before you get there is to find half a dozen companies from the west looking for Filipino workers. And you're going to be matching up their need for outsourcing personnel to their ideal work force in the Philippines.

      Acting as a middle man negotiator, you'll be managing these personnel, paying them their monthly wages and keeping them on task with the role or niche you finally decide is right for you.

      You'll be charging the select few companies here in the west a monthly fee starting at a bare minimum $750 p/m.

      Your employees, you'll be paying them anything from $400 p/m upwards.

      The difference between the two figures is your gross profit. Your net profit will be less of course after paying out for the usual expenses of running your own business.

      Aim for half a dozen employees only with you acting as the middleman, the broker.

      If you can't make £300 per month doing this over there you need your head examining.

      Smoking hot,


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      • Profile picture of the author Brennen Noble
        Originally Posted by Mark Andrews View Post

        £300 per month eh? Dead easy.

        When you arrive in the Philippines...

        Mark Andrews
        That was my initial thought as well. Incredible opportunity for networking and leveraging the outsourcing market there.
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    • Profile picture of the author thriftgirl62
      Originally Posted by Epidot View Post

      Thanks to all who have commented. I'd like to break this down and ask even more from you guys if possible. Now.. even thought I am finding this all very difficult, I do here often that it is not very difficult to make a few hundred a month. Whether it be from Adsence or an Amazon review site..

      So for someone like me who has the time and will power to see this through. Please can you provide your simplest recommendation to me.

      Taking into account my goal for now is perhaps £300 per month only.. not £10,000

      1)Amazon review site on a single product line
      2)Niche informational site answering some kind of deperate need which I promote a CB product
      3)Pure Adsence site
      4) any other method you recommend

      With a brief description of how you would go about doing it in order to achieve this £300 a month

      I feel I would be more ready for this if I have a census of opinion on which of these methods to go for. I'm sure many of you have a good idea which methods to stay away from and which have a good chance of bring in this small target profit over a period of a few months.

      thanks again
      Sounds like you need the information and methods shown here: affiliaterecon.com
      I just paid for another month because they keep the site updated and I've got permission to use my membership with serious partners who have time to spend building affiliate sites.

      Most people are too scared to partner up with anyone or maybe just too shy to speak up. You build the sites, add fresh content with images and videos and I pay all the bills until I get the sites ranked and making money. I have all kinds of review site templates, product review videos and software specifically designed for creating SEO optimized affiliate sites. I forget what it's called but if you're interested, I'll look for it.

      Or, you can do most people do. Spend both time AND money and hope you don't run out of both and end up quitting before you start making any money. It takes time to become skilled enough to get the results you want [money].
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  • Profile picture of the author Stuart Walker
    So the difficulty to get ranked high went up straight off the bat.

    Also I realised that if it requires the right keywords to sell products, having over 25 means "nothing" if they arn't going to capture people who want to purchase what I promote. Then I looked at the keywords which are useful and saw that they had been targeted by 2 specific people who are authorities in that niche which I am certain I can not out rank. Every time I would enter a god keyword of mine, they would be 1 and 2 in Google. I do not think it's wise to pursue this niche when i'm hitting for what? 10% traffic on the keywords by being in position 3..
    You've made the mistake in thinking that Google is the internet and you need to be ranked to get traffic. Forget about Google they are a fickle mistress who loves you one day then hates you the next so you'll go from ranking high to not ranking at all over night. Drive traffic from other sources that they have no control over, PPC, banner ads, social media, solo ads / email list, video marketing, forums, blogs, guest blogging, offline marketing. The list is almost endless.

    Don't worry about Google because if you can provide some good content and drive traffic using any of the above methods you should be able to make money from the project.
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  • Profile picture of the author kakucis
    You haven't done proper homework before you jumped into IM.

    Google shows search results dynamically and one time it could show 10k results and after you refresh the page it can return 100k results for your keyword. Search results depends from country to country, from city to city, from time to time etc - they are dynamic.

    Language learning is a good niche but with very high competition so probably it is not the right decision to jump into this nice as your first online venture.

    You should be using your own product because amazon, and CB won't earn you as much as your own product.

    Like I said, you haven't done a proper homework so learn from your mistakes and try again.
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  • Profile picture of the author Brennen Noble
    Less thinking, more doing.

    You are living in fear of failure, this isn't like deciding what tattoo to get, or if this girl is the one you want to marry, or if you should buy this house.

    Those things can affect you forever, those things require deep and intense thought before action - THIS DOES NOT!

    Seriously. I never really broke through to big success until I realized I just needed to start doing stuff and letting it either fail or succeed so I could try the next thing.

    I have made as high as $5k/day with CPA offers and I can promise you that road was paved in failures.

    Want to find a winning idea/niche/ad/angle/headline/anything? Fail. Alot. Fail Faster and Faster.

    I'm not saying just go out there and start doing random stuff. You obviously need to have SOME idea of what you are doing. What I am saying, is that nothing can possibly happen until you do something.

    Sure, stopping now means won't have to face failure, but you also have no chance at success.

    Failure gets easier. It hurts less each time, I promise.

    Giving yourself a deadline to work within is not the best idea, it's like a 20lb watch around your neck that gets bigger and bigger the longer it ticks away. The deadline may still be there and obviously it's not something you can change exactly, but try not to let it consume your thoughts.

    Pick a niche or a traffic source or a method or whatever and just do it. If it fails, so what? Do it again, different niche, difference source, whatever you need to do to keep moving.
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  • Profile picture of the author svsets10
    You are putting a ton of pressure on yourself to succeed on your first venture. I hate to say it but just get started and learn from the experience. I wouldn't say I have succeeded yet in IM since starting last february......you know what though? Every experience and failure gets me one step closer to success.

    You need to start failing and making those steps. Would you rather have 2 or 3 failed ideas now and be further on down the road when you move or would you rather plan non stop and fail for the first time when you get there?

    Just pick an idea and see if it works. The beauty of IM is the fact that you can pick ANY type of niche/idea and see if it is a good fit for you. Just don't get discouraged if things don't work out in the beginning. You have to be willing to fail to learn and then move on.

    Sorry for the negative tone of the post but I would rather see you at least take action and get started then major in the minors and never get anything accomplished because you were too concerned with details.
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  • Profile picture of the author BrianDouglas
    Jeanie, I agree with you. I guess I should have been more precise with how I explained things. I guess what I mean is that it is "very easy" to become disliked by Amazon when you are making a site based tightly on being an "amazon alternative, that links to amazon". Does that make sense? When you create a store, that is loaded with all kinds of stuff and you drive repeat traffic to it and they start to shop there, amazon tends to not like that very much. It really depends on the sites. If you are doing squidoo lenses, or a site that fills that kind of space niched to a specific topic, that is cool. But when you try to make a straight-up amazon link base, where your goal is to simply drive traffic to amazon, they don't like it when people start to build loyalty with you.

    Loyalty to a blogger or reviewer who drives some traffic is one thing, but building your rep through Amazon as an estore itself is another. It sounds strange at first, but if you consider the rationale they may have about it being that over time you can slowly begin to dropship or sell things outside of Amazon in other ways there, while you slowly weed Amazon out of your site, you will essentially be using them, to become a competitor to them, so that's more about what I was talking about there. Quality content is one thing, email lists are definitely different, but a straight up estore is something they watch closely, as far as I am led to understood in my own researches.

    But yea, I do agree, I just think that "Straight up amazon sites" are probably not the safest thing to do, it's best to mix up a lot of streams into your sites, rather than just to one basket of eggs. You can find stories of eStores that were powered by amazon having this sort of treatment, people who built loyalty with customers, amazon really doesn't like it when you start to get super popular with "shopping crowd", but they obviously, as you said, have no problem with converting the mind state of "visitors of your blog" into a shopping session at amazon.

    I hope it makes sense, it could be wrong, I won't say I am the end all be all on the subject, and I think it all would always be a case-by-case thing with these claims, but from the things I read about while trying to find the best way to leverage affiliate links, I found that this is about the nutshell of it, and that most things that seem like a really great idea, Amazon has already come across that and 'nixed it

    For example, you can donate from your proceeds to charity, but you can't tell your visitors that you will do that. That will give them incentive to be loyal to you, and then amazon will ban your account. It happened with a lot of "big" shopping aggregates actually.
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