How much should I charge for freelancing?

by vivo
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What is a reasonable rate for freelane writing if you are knowledgable about something, and have experience with, and you are good at writing, but don't have work or professional experience? Would it be reasonable to charge between 0.05-0.10 per word if you have personal experience with a subject?
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  • Profile picture of the author Corey Geer
    If you charge a peanuts rate of .01c or .005c per word, you'll end up working for low end clients that'll make your experience a living hell and they'll generally never be happy with your work or turn into joint venture client.

    From my personal experience, the highest paying clients don't come from the forums, they come from companies that you can contact individually via a simple Google search. The forum is a nice place to get cheaper clients than your respective clients to build up a portfolio but it's a royal nightmare to make a sustainable income off of forum work.

    Here's my general experience with clients from the forum:

    1) No one's in a hurry, you have people who take days or even weeks to respond.
    2) Some people want ridiculous requirements or have such a weird understanding of what they think works in SEO.
    3) Any advice you give them is wrong and they want what they want.

    When it comes to working with corporations or companies, they always pay higher and are far easier to work with. There's nothing with writing for forum clients if something comes your way from them, but I definitely wouldn't attempt to make a full time living off of it.
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    • Profile picture of the author Cali16
      Vivo, being knowledgeable on a subject is definitely desirable but only part of the picture. You also have to have very good writing skills. With all due respect, based on your post above I think you have some work to do in that regard. You have spelling errors, grammatical errors, and very poor sentence structure. I realize that's a forum post and not an article, but if it's an indication of your writing skills then I would recommend hiring someone to edit your work or spending some time to hone your skills.
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  • Profile picture of the author vivo
    What about Fiverr or a freelance site? Would those be good places to market, or no? Thanks?
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    • Profile picture of the author Corey Geer
      Originally Posted by vivo View Post

      What about Fiverr or a freelance site? Would those be good places to market, or no? Thanks?
      No no no no

      Stay away from Fiverr at all costs if you value your work or your sanity. You'll only get paid $4 per article, that's before any associated fees and your clients will be some of the pickiest and hardest to please people in the world. That's what you'll get when working for cheap clients, trust me.

      Honestly, starting here is a great starting point to get a portfolio built up so you can advertise yourself to high end clients via your own website if that's the route you want to do. If you want to make a career out of freelancing, you have to eventually step away from the forums or else you'll end up starving for work most of the time because people take days or weeks to respond to messages usually.
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    • Profile picture of the author DeborahDera
      I'd definitely stay away from Fiverr if you're trying to market a writing gig. First, people don't want just one article - they think they're getting a deal with multiple articles for $5, which is a total waste of your time and talent. Also, you don't make $5 - you only make $4 after Fiverr takes a fee, so it makes your return even worse. You can find a lot of other sites and work your way up.

      You can definitely work your way up to $.05 or $.10 per word, but you may want to start a little lower. I think I started at closer to $.025 per word and worked my way up.

      Tiffany Lambert (formerly Tiffany Dow) has a great program called Ghostwriting Cash where she helps you set up a ghostwriting/freelance writing business. Highly recommended.

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      What about Fiverr or a freelance site? Would those be good places to market, or no? Thanks?
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  • Profile picture of the author JRVogt
    Freelance rates are going to depend on a variety of things. A couple big elements include the kind of writing you're doing and the way you setup your rates--per word? per hour? per overall project?

    Rates can also be affected by your budget. If you're trying to freelance full-time, you have to calculate the annual income levels you need to hit to keep going. This can give you a clearer idea of how much work you need to do, or what rates you should aim to quote in order to reach those goals.

    Do some research for freelance writers who post their rates online. Compare what they offer to what you offer, and you may find some good parallels.

    I've found that the key is to never waver on the value of your work once you've established those rates. A lot of clients will try to get the cheapest "quality" content they can. If you have to pass on a gig because the client isn't willing to pay what your work is worth, then do so. But if you get into a habit of constantly taking on low-paying work, then you can easily get stuck at that income level.

    Of course, it all comes down to whether you can back up your rate with content that validates it. I will say that your original post does indicate you may need to really strengthen your writing before trying to land big-budget projects.
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    • Profile picture of the author vivo
      Not to sound stupid about this, but at the time when I was writing this, I was slightly distracted. Sorry if it sounds like an excuse, but if you don't believe me, check my other posts. I am generally very careful with punctuation. Thanks for the feedback.
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      • Profile picture of the author icoachu
        Originally Posted by vivo View Post

        Not to sound stupid about this, but at the time when I was writing this, I was slightly distracted. Sorry if it sounds like an excuse, but if you don't believe me, check my other posts. I am generally very careful with punctuation. Thanks for the feedback.
        No worries, dude. People are scared of competition. That's why they seek to discourage you. I am just giving you a realistic snapshot of the marketplace. People can still make quite a bit of money in freelance writing. You just have to pick the right market segment. You should start at Fiverr. Only people who have a serious entitlement mentality (read: lazy) and don't want to start from the bottom will discourage you from that place. I've found a native english speaker Filipino who grew up in the United States from Fiverr. My dude cranks out 1000 words on legal, marketing, diet, self-improvement, and other topics for $5 without bellyaching and whining. I can't say the same for most American writers I've hired in the past.

        The Bottom Line:

        If you are willing to work hard and work honestly, you'll make it. Character counts. No one DESERVES a certain income level. You have to EARN IT. Everyone hates a whining clown. Don't be one.
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  • Profile picture of the author icoachu
    If you have specialized knowledge in a specific niche, you can charge quite a bit of money. For example, if you are a lawyer and you write about estoppel issues regarding secured transactions or pre-debt consolidation issues, you can charge quite a bit of money for specialized information.

    However, if you are just writing stuff that passes Ezinearticles or your typical blog's quality criteria, you're pretty much stuck between the .005 and .02 USD range. There are a lot of delusional people who think they are ENTITLED to earn more but the FREE MARKET dictates the price not what you THINK you are worth. There are many people saying they are native english speakers but actually just sub-outsource to India or the Philippines.

    There are many people writing 1000 words or more for $5 at Fiverr. That's the direction undifferentiated (compared to specialist authors) content is going.

    Best of luck, bro
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  • Profile picture of the author vivo
    What about in a case where you have suffered from something, and have knowledge about the subject? Would you say those type of sites are more geared towards professionals in a field such as doctors, or rather more toward doctors and patients?
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    *freelance sites
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  • Profile picture of the author vivo
    Thanks man. Your post really encouraged me . I was just kind of thinking to myself whether or not I should start low and raise it, or start high and lower.
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  • Profile picture of the author Bluestarace
    Hi Vivo,
    It's all about what your client makes using your content. If your content makes them ten times more than what they invested in you, then you have every right to charge them .05 or even more per word. It's all about ROI.

    Good luck
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    • Profile picture of the author fern
      You can offer your services for a cheaper rate, then once you have a few paying clients you can increase your fees. It would be a good idea to have a blog and/or Facebook fanpage. If you start selling writing gigs on fiverr or on forums, you can add a link to those sites. If they like your work, they are likely to buy more expensive articles from you.

      I would start out selling on free forums or freelance sites. Once you have some money rolling in, advertise on paid sites like WF or others. You will reach a larger audience and get more clients. Good luck.
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  • Profile picture of the author WeavingThoughts
    The OP said $0.1 per word, not $0.01 per word.
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  • Profile picture of the author Zabrina
    It sounds like you have experience in a few specific medical fields, am I wrong? In this case, it might be easiest for you to write for a site like Constant Content, because you can choose your topics and post articles at your own rates even if clients aren't contacting you directly to order articles on that subject. Then, you can supplement your income with writing for clients outside of CC in the many great ways people have suggested here.

    What I want to be sure you know is why you want to do freelance writing -- what freedom or goal it will help you meet. Once you have that figured out, it's a matter of some backwards math. Figure out what you want to be doing in a year, six months, three months, one month, one week, and one day. This could be in the form of income, but also lifestyle.

    This exercise will help you figure out if you should be charging $0.02/word and working on a couple articles per week or charging $0.10/word and writing a dozen a week. (Starting out with a higher rate and lowering it if you need to, while keeping a cap on the discount you offer, is usually the better option.)
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    • Profile picture of the author vivo
      Originally Posted by Zabrina View Post

      It sounds like you have experience in a few specific medical fields, am I wrong? In this case, it might be easiest for you to write for a site like Constant Content, because you can choose your topics and post articles at your own rates even if clients aren't contacting you directly to order articles on that subject. Then, you can supplement your income with writing for clients outside of CC in the many great ways people have suggested here.

      What I want to be sure you know is why you want to do freelance writing -- what freedom or goal it will help you meet. Once you have that figured out, it's a matter of some backwards math. Figure out what you want to be doing in a year, six months, three months, one month, one week, and one day. This could be in the form of income, but also lifestyle.

      This exercise will help you figure out if you should be charging $0.02/word and working on a couple articles per week or charging $0.10/word and writing a dozen a week. (Starting out with a higher rate and lowering it if you need to, while keeping a cap on the discount you offer, is usually the better option.)
      Well, here are the subjects I have experience with: investing (personal account), Asperger's (I have it), dealing with the loss of a loved one, I am very political (mostly niche political topics), video games, among other things. The first three seem to be the most likely ones that would sell. So to answer your question, yes, it is a medical niche. But I might consider writing about other niches I am knowledgeable on.

      The reason I would like to do this is to tide me over until my site starts earning a profit. Plus, it would help me improve my writing (not grammar, but more my style).
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  • Profile picture of the author Mousumi
    I charge at least $25 per 1000 words. I do not get too many clients yet I'm happy for winning the trust of quite a few of them. Freelancing is not slavery ..Out and Loud.
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  • Profile picture of the author vivo
    Does anyone have experience with Constant Content? It sounds kind of interesting .
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    • Profile picture of the author Benjamin Ehinger
      Originally Posted by vivo View Post

      What is a reasonable rate for freelane writing if you are knowledgable about something, and have experience with, and you are good at writing, but don't have work or professional experience? Would it be reasonable to charge between 0.05-0.10 per word if you have personal experience with a subject?
      You can charge 5 to 10 cents per word or even more, but just starting out, you may need to do a few sample projects at a lower rate.

      Originally Posted by vivo View Post

      What about Fiverr or a freelance site? Would those be good places to market, or no? Thanks?
      Fiverr is a joke for writers. You may find some good projects at elance.com or freelancer.com.

      Originally Posted by vivo View Post

      Not to sound stupid about this, but at the time when I was writing this, I was slightly distracted. Sorry if it sounds like an excuse, but if you don't believe me, check my other posts. I am generally very careful with punctuation. Thanks for the feedback.
      I would be very careful about this unless you don't care to find clients in the forum.

      Originally Posted by vivo View Post

      What about in a case where you have suffered from something, and have knowledge about the subject? Would you say those type of sites are more geared towards professionals in a field such as doctors, or rather more toward doctors and patients?
      Originally Posted by vivo View Post

      *freelance sites
      You can use the edit feature to go back and fix your mistakes. Be careful posting over and over without anybody else in between. You could lose your thread.

      Originally Posted by vivo View Post

      Well, here are the subjects I have experience with: investing (personal account), Asperger's (I have it), dealing with the loss of a loved one, I am very political (mostly niche political topics), video games, among other things. The first three seem to be the most likely ones that would sell. So to answer your question, yes, it is a medical niche. But I might consider writing about other niches I am knowledgeable on.

      The reason I would like to do this is to tide me over until my site starts earning a profit. Plus, it would help me improve my writing (not grammar, but more my style).
      Market directly to other site owners in these subject areas. If you go to them and you can provide high quality content, you can charge more by contacting them directly instead of posting some type of ad.

      Originally Posted by vivo View Post

      Does anyone have experience with Constant Content? It sounds kind of interesting .
      Not bad, but not the best either. You can start here, but I recommend contacting potential clients directly.

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      • Profile picture of the author skylang1
        Originally Posted by Benjamin Ehinger View Post

        ...but I recommend contacting potential clients directly.

        Benjamin Ehinger
        Any suggestions about this? As a professional in another field, I tend to have gaps in my booked time where I could benefit from writing content that would have it's own value. Are there direct clients (as opposed to sites where you wait for a buyer to come along) who would consider buying articles that were written in free time? I couldn't let my freelance writing interfere with professional commitments but would like to fill the time in between. What do you think?
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  • How much do you think you are worth? You should sit down with yourself and evaluate the quality of your work? Do you think its worth X-amount, because if YOU believe its worth X-amount, then the person you are selling to will also believe so.
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  • Profile picture of the author johndetlefs
    I'd go in for around $15 an article for 750 words.

    Then pay $5 to get the article written on fiverr, and when you get it, use it as a rough draft, and edit it and clean it up and make it interesting.

    Should take you around 30 minutes if you do it properly, and really try to make it interesting with perfect formatting. That way you're on around $20 per hour, which is liveable.

    This also means that you should be able to write on just about any topic.

    Spread the gigs around various writers on Fiverr until you find a couple that are reliable and then just stick with them.

    Eventually if you want to get tricky, you can hire another one to edit the article and make it interesting (for $5) and still charge $15 for the article.

    As for selling.. there are plenty of people right here on the forums that would pay $15 for a reliable operator who can deliver well written and interesting articles... just advertise in the Warriors for hire, and show a couple of examples of what you can do.
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  • Profile picture of the author Steve Wells
    How much is your time worth per hour?

    Figure out how much time you think a project will take, by your best guesstimates, then charge accordingly per project.

    Make sure that you get good details about the project ahead of time, so you do not sell yourself short. Many times people just do not know what information to give you. So you need to ask them the right questions.

    And if you believe that a customer will be or is being a pain in the XXX don't work with them, it will more than likely just escalate, and the money is not worth the headache.

    For example:

    I do not like to work for less than $25 or $35 per hour.

    So, if a project will take me at least 4 hours, I charge a minimum of 4 x $25

    And if I'm not sure if I can get it done within 4 hours, I charge at least 4 x $35

    If you have a skill that others need, "your in control" your in demand BUT you do have to consider what others are charging if your going to do business on this forum. And if your new, you may have to work much cheaper than you want to, to build a solid trustable reputation.
    I personally consider it, but "do not" try and compete with designers who are from India, the Phillippines, Indonesia, etc.... because their cost of living is sooo much lower than here, that it's just not realistic to compete.

    But what I lack in competitive pricing, I do my best to make up for with Quality and Customer service.
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  • Profile picture of the author Randall Magwood
    I think it's feasible to charge $10 for a 500+ word article. I think this is a good rate here - especially if you're very knowledgable in your niche.
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  • Profile picture of the author FirstSocialApps
    If your going to work on a freelance site charge low at first, get a bunch of great feedback, and then later raise your prices considerably. When you bid on the job refer to the great feedback as justification for your hire prices. People will pay for quality.

    This is what I did when I was a freelancer. Now I was a programmer but I assume it would be similar for writers.
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  • Profile picture of the author mrelk159
    At first you should charge lower to get reviews and testimonials for your good services and then use that as leverage to charge more.
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  • Profile picture of the author Shannonn
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    What is the best way to find companies or people that are willing to pay up to $15 an article? I ask because I see a lot of offers with very low prices ($2, $4, $5 per article). Since someone actually offers this price, then it means that there are people who accept it, right?
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    • Profile picture of the author DTGeorge
      Originally Posted by Shannonn View Post

      What is the best way to find companies or people that are willing to pay up to $15 an article? I ask because I see a lot of offers with very low prices ($2, $4, $5 per article). Since someone actually offers this price, then it means that there are people who accept it, right?
      There are people willing to pay far more than $15 per article.

      1. Have a look at some of the job boards (e.g. freelancewritinggigs, problogger, mediabistro) and filter out the LOW paying jobs, there will be quite a few that pay $15 and more. Occasionally you'll find these people on Elance (and possibly Odesk) but they are very, very rare.

      2. Search for print and offline customers. There are literally hundreds of them listed in the writers market book - it's worth your while.

      3. There are lots of lists of decently paid jobs - for example http://beafreelanceblogger.com/wp-co...50-or-More.pdf

      You need to be thinking BIGGER than $15 per article
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      • Profile picture of the author Lance K
        If all you can get is $15 for high quality articles, you're better off writing for yourself.
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  • Profile picture of the author Raydal
    Here is the short, long answer to your question:
    Read Value-Based Fees: How to Charge - and Get - What You're Worth by Alan Weiss

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  • Profile picture of the author PhilippaWrites
    Originally Posted by vivo View Post

    What is a reasonable rate for freelane writing if you are knowledgable about something, and have experience with, and you are good at writing, but don't have work or professional experience? Would it be reasonable to charge between 0.05-0.10 per word if you have personal experience with a subject?
    There are different ways to work out how much to charge, but a lot of it comes down to:
    1. How much money do you need each week?
    2. How many hours will you work each week?

    And doing a calculation to work out the answer to your question.

    I made a podcast episode a few months ago about this very issue - How to decide what to charge for your freelance writing services - if it's at all reassuring, you can be safe in the knowledge that it gets asked a lot!
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    • Profile picture of the author LilBlackDress
      I wrote a book on freelance writing. I advise writers to work backwards to determine rates. Figure out how much you need to make per hour and then you can decide on your rates. Factor in consultation time along with your expenses (electric, computer etc.)

      Invest time in revenue share/residual income opportunites....things that will pay you over and over. Consider writing Kindle eBooks. Having to do something again and again to get paid is not as lucrative as having to do it once!
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  • Profile picture of the author johndetlefs
    Get a basic ($19 p/m) LinkedIn account, and do some solid prospecting. There are plenty of companies that have big marketing budgets, are stupidly time poor, have never heard of Elance, and probably wouldn't use it if they had.

    If you build a good looking website and create a great query letter you'll get work.

    If you follow the herd to Elance and Odesk, then you won't get very far. In fact I'm happy about Elance these days, when I used to bitch about it a lot. Very few people are actually willing to put in the time and effort to look for high paying clients. They just want to get nice easy work handed to them by going through site like Elance where it's handed to them on a platter.

    So while the herd eats peanuts over at Elance, I get to eat steak working for real companies who have real budgets.

    That said, I earn up to US$50 per article on Elance, and regularly get US$25 per 500 words. It's all in your proposal and how you sell yourself.
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  • Profile picture of the author MarketMaster13
    It all depend on on your skills,the quality of your work and the target clients.
    If you are skilled and experienced i would advice you charge between $5-$15 per 500 words article which is the current standard pay.
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    • Profile picture of the author johndetlefs
      Originally Posted by MarketMaster13 View Post

      It all depend on on your skills,the quality of your work and the target clients.
      If you are skilled and experienced i would advice you charge between $5-$15 per 500 words article which is the current standard pay.
      Are you serious?? I'd be very interested to see where you got the data that resulted in $5 - $15 becoming the "current standard pay"?

      Why not get the data from iWriter and drop that down to $1 per 500 words? Or Fiverr and say that $5 is the standard.. or corporate and publications where the standard is $200 per 500 words or higher? In fact at that level they don't even talk about word count, as the value is in the story being served properly and to completion.

      I can understand that maybe you value your writing at $5 - $15 per 500 words but to make that the "current standard" is not only misleading, it's blatantly incorrect, as you are drawing conclusions based on a very biased data set.

      But hey, let's assume that I'm wrong on the data, and move away from that for a second.

      You are saying that if a writer is "skilled and experienced" then you "advice" (sic) that a person charge between $5 and $15 per 500 words.

      Based on what? Is there research to be done? Will interviews be needed? How much time are you allowing for that? What about editing? Are these articles being edited or are they churn and burn?

      Do you know how long it takes to write a well researched, perfectly edited piece of content?

      For me, it takes an absolute minimum of 2 hours. That includes research, writing at least 1000 words as a "starter" article and then editing and polishing until the article gleams.

      What do I charge? For a corporate client who gets that sort of service I charge US$200. Admittedly I will rarely stick to 500 words for those guys, and the content normally goes to around 800 - 1000 words. That'll take me around 4 hours to do properly, including editing and rewrites.

      I'll often let the article "sit" for a day or two as well before going back to edit again with fresh eyes.

      For a regular IM type client who doesn't expect such rigorous quality I still take an absolute minimum of an hour, and charge US$50 for the article.

      Looking at my thread I have an outdated page that still reflects my old rate of US$25 per article. (edit: now changed to reflect current rates)

      If I only charged $15 per article I could only get 4 done per day, and would net US$60, or US$1200 per month based on a 20 day month. And that's at the high end of your "skilled and experienced" rates. I'm not even going to look at what you would earn at $5 per article because it's insulting.

      Have you ever tried to live on $1200 per month? If you can do it, you're either living on the street, living with parents, or have a partner that is subsidising you.

      The only content that you get for $5 are hastily written, poorly researched articles that receive no editing whatsoever, or are written by soon-to-go-hungry writers who are new to the industry.

      And in my experience the only people who buy them are the folks that still think that building huge sites full of spun crap is the way to Google's heart. You'd think that Panda and Penguin would have settled that once and for all, but the belief still persists.

      Sadly Mr MarketMaster there are plenty more out there just like you who help to propagate the idea that writing is a low value commodity. Crap writing may be, but real writing will always command a professional's rate.

      My advice to writers who are out there and are just getting started?

      Don't listen to anybody that says you have to work for slave wages.

      Assuming you approach your writing as a professional would, then your profession is one that has value, and you should charge for your output accordingly.

      Anyone who says differently is exploiting you, and you should move on.

      Believe me, there are bigger and better fish in the sea who will pay you what you are worth. You just have to take the trouble to find them.
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      • Profile picture of the author DTGeorge
        Originally Posted by johndetlefs View Post

        Are you serious?? I'd be very interested to see where you got the data that resulted in $5 - $15 becoming the "current standard pay"?

        Why not get the data from iWriter and drop that down to $1 per 500 words? Or Fiverr and say that $5 is the standard.. or corporate and publications where the standard is $200 per 500 words or higher? In fact at that level they don't even talk about word count, as the value is in the story being served properly and to completion.

        I can understand that maybe you value your writing at $5 - $15 per 500 words but to make that the "current standard" is not only misleading, it's blatantly incorrect, as you are drawing conclusions based on a very biased data set.

        But hey, let's assume that I'm wrong on the data, and move away from that for a second.

        You are saying that if a writer is "skilled and experienced" then you "advice" (sic) that a person charge between $5 and $15 per 500 words.

        Based on what? Is there research to be done? Will interviews be needed? How much time are you allowing for that? What about editing? Are these articles being edited or are they churn and burn?

        Do you know how long it takes to write a well researched, perfectly edited piece of content?

        For me, it takes an absolute minimum of 2 hours. That includes research, writing at least 1000 words as a "starter" article and then editing and polishing until the article gleams.

        What do I charge? For a corporate client who gets that sort of service I charge US$200. Admittedly I will rarely stick to 500 words for those guys, and the content normally goes to around 800 - 1000 words. That'll take me around 4 hours to do properly, including editing and rewrites.

        I'll often let the article "sit" for a day or two as well before going back to edit again with fresh eyes.

        For a regular IM type client who doesn't expect such rigorous quality I still take an absolute minimum of an hour, and charge US$50 for the article.

        Looking at my thread I have an outdated page that still reflects my old rate of US$25 per article. (edit: now changed to reflect current rates)

        If I only charged $15 per article I could only get 4 done per day, and would net US$60, or US$1200 per month based on a 20 day month. And that's at the high end of your "skilled and experienced" rates. I'm not even going to look at what you would earn at $5 per article because it's insulting.

        Have you ever tried to live on $1200 per month? If you can do it, you're either living on the street, living with parents, or have a partner that is subsidising you.

        The only content that you get for $5 are hastily written, poorly researched articles that receive no editing whatsoever, or are written by soon-to-go-hungry writers who are new to the industry.

        And in my experience the only people who buy them are the folks that still think that building huge sites full of spun crap is the way to Google's heart. You'd think that Panda and Penguin would have settled that once and for all, but the belief still persists.

        Sadly Mr MarketMaster there are plenty more out there just like you who help to propagate the idea that writing is a low value commodity. Crap writing may be, but real writing will always command a professional's rate.

        My advice to writers who are out there and are just getting started?

        Don't listen to anybody that says you have to work for slave wages.

        Assuming you approach your writing as a professional would, then your profession is one that has value, and you should charge for your output accordingly.

        Anyone who says differently is exploiting you, and you should move on.

        Believe me, there are bigger and better fish in the sea who will pay you what you are worth. You just have to take the trouble to find them.

        My advice to writers who are out there and are just getting started?

        Don't listen to anybody that says you have to work for slave wages.

        Assuming you approach your writing as a professional would, then your profession is one that has value, and you should charge for your output accordingly.

        Anyone who says differently is exploiting you, and you should move on.

        Believe me, there are bigger and better fish in the sea who will pay you what you are worth. You just have to take the trouble to find them.
        Bravo.

        It's just a shame that there are so many good writers out there who are unwilling or unable to believe that there are clients out there who actually want high quality researched articles than crappy, hastily slapped together content.
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        • Profile picture of the author Raydal
          Originally Posted by DTGeorge View Post

          Bravo.

          It's just a shame that there are so many good writers out there who are unwilling or unable to believe that there are clients out there who actually want high quality researched articles than crappy, hastily slapped together content.
          I think that this is the curse of good writers. Because they "enjoy" writing
          and it comes naturally to them they instinctively feel that they shouldn't
          be paid much. It comes easy to them so they think that it is easy for
          everybody else. Bad business decision. It's better to write for charity
          than to write cheap.

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    • Profile picture of the author DTGeorge
      Originally Posted by MarketMaster13 View Post

      It all depend on on your skills,the quality of your work and the target clients.
      If you are skilled and experienced i would advice you charge between $5-$15 per 500 words article which is the current standard pay.
      Sorry but that is horrible advice.

      A skilled and experienced writer shouldn't be writing a paragraph for $15, much less a 500 word article.

      It all depend on on your skills,the quality of your work and the target clients.
      You are completely right with the idea, but you're pricing is waaaaaaay off.
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  • Profile picture of the author tolaskool
    I was about to post something like this,but thanks to all the great warriors i have an idea about pricing for my services, thanks alot guys for all your info
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  • Profile picture of the author HorseStall
    Checkout some of the freelance sites you don't want to be the cheapest or the most expensive. Just checkout similar type offerings to what you want to provide.

    HTH
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  • Profile picture of the author ods
    When I used to write before I got into venture capitalism, I charged $20 a page and up to $150 for top-end articles usually in the money-making genre.
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  • Profile picture of the author executed
    Being a freelancer does not mean you have to charge peanuts! After all you are investing your time and there are other associated costs like net charges and all to take care of. You have to market yourself right and reach out to the potential clients you want to connect with. You just cannot fix a rate and wait for people to contact you without efforts. This means there are two things- you have to be a good writing and you should have a well construction portfolio of your writing skills. Make sure it has your best write ups. These are the secrets to kick start freelancing and earning well- all the best!
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  • Profile picture of the author hustlinsmoke
    If your good doesn't matter till people use you. So whatever you decide cut it in half till you get some feedback.

    By the way a dollar per hundred is pretty low. I do have one team that writes for me for .60 cents a hundred but there not great articles and I use them for fillers. I would charge at least 15 per 500 words.
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  • Profile picture of the author Brad Hodge
    First of all you should to have strong writing skills and secondly you have good reputation on the freelancing website on which you are going to find the work. In the beginning your rate will be low but as your reputation grow up your rate will also grow up. On the popular website I saw people charging 4$ for 500 words article. I think if you get 5$ then it is good.
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    • Profile picture of the author wordwizard
      Originally Posted by Lance K View Post

      If all you can get is $15 for high quality articles, you're better off writing for yourself.
      Excellent point! I agree.

      Even if it may be necessary to do SOME writing for others temporarily, this should be the goal...
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