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I've always been a solution orientated person. Here's what I believe we should be doing concerning corona virus based on these facts:

Facts:
  1. Wearing a mask doesn't protect you from getting corona, except from by rubbing your nose and mouth. But it does help prevent you from spreading it to others, which is why the sick/contagious people at the Dr office wear masks, not the healthy people.
  2. Hydrogen peroxide has been proven to be very effective at killing corona.

I believe if everyone that went out in public wore a mask and carried a squirt bottle of hydrogene peroxide (h2o2) and squirting things that we touch and where we gather, there would be a lot less spread of the virus.

If people would squirt door knobs, hand rails, shoppping cart handles, mail areas at apartments, we we would kill a lot of the virus. And there would be a lot less to kil because people wear masks.

Hydrogen peroxide is H2O2, basically water with an extra oxegen molecule. When it breaks down it breaks down into water and oxegen, so it's totally safe for our enviroment.

These are cheap, safe and proven effective methods. If I were King of the World I would ramp up the production of masks and h2o2 and require anyone that goes out in public to both wear a mask and carry a squirt bottle of h2o. We need to protect and arm ourselves and fit this.

If you use h2o2, the only "catch" is that it must be kept out of light in a dark bottle because light breaks it down.
RETAIL cost per American

$2 one time for a bottle of h2o2.
60 cents for a mask each time a person goes out in public.

Again, that's retail to arm us to fight a war we can win. The science says so and the financing says so.
I have also read that Bicarbonate of soda, (soda water, etc) distroys the virus, so l may start drinking more carbonated water instead of plain, when l go out.

Iodine does also, but that can be poisonous if too much is taken internally.

I guess that soda water will disappear next?

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Yeah, the sooner we can get past this drop in the bucket we can return to the real threat to human existence..Global Warming
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Saw this on a friend's FB page today:

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Saw this on a friend's FB page today:
Closing down FB permanently would clear up 100% of the current issues across the board... just sayin'

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If you cant find the disinfectant/sanitizer supplies you are familiar with,
here is a list of products that will Kill COVID19 from the

American Chemistry Council

Novel Coronavirus (COVID-19)—Fighting Products

https://www.americanchemistry.com/No...ducts-List.pdf



"As a public service, CBC is maintaining this list of antimicrobials that have proven to be effective against stronger pathogens, such as norovirus or ebola. By publishing and maintaining this open list, CBC relieves federal, state, and local health officials’ resources in order to focus on other aspects of the important effort to limit spread of this new disease. Listing is voluntary and compliance with EPA’s “emerging viral pathogen” guidance for antimicrobial products is verified by CBC. CBC will be working with federal and state officials to disseminate the list and make it accessible to all those who need to be in the know."


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I have also read that Bicarbonate of soda, (soda water, etc) distroys the virus, so l may start drinking more carbonated water instead of plain, when l go out.

Iodine does also, but that can be poisonous if too much is taken internally.
Shane. Viruses are inside our cells. It doesn't matter what you drink. it won't kill viruses.

Please...I'm begging you...stop getting your news from Youtube videos. There is real information from the CDC and the WHO, that will tell you if something kills the virus.

Do you really think there would be this pandemic if all you had to do was drink soda water to cure it?

And..for god sake..don't drink bleach.

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My ten year hit me with the news that he is scared. I asked him of what and
he surprised me with " the virus, I'm afraid for my life and yours". So I did
what dad's do.

But damn. This isn't a third world country, I can't believe
that I had to have that conversation with my boy.

I can only imagine how much scarier it was 100 years ago.

ooof...can you imagine being a parent back then?


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Ken - it may have been easier. Kids are exposed to onlin - to media on TV - they interact with many more people in a day than kids did back then. After seeing your post yesterday - I was wondering how your son is doing. Can't believe he is 10!

I've lived through a natural disaster and saw how some people panic while others come together to do what needs to be done. I've seen how some focus on 'me me and what I need' and others offer to help those less fortunate. The extremes of human nature show up in times like this.


I remember stores of the great depression and books about the Dust Bowl - and how shocked I was that peole had to live like that. Once in a while we are reminded that we aren't all powerful - and it's always a shock when it happens.


It can teach self reliance for children with parents who will talk to them, explain that we aren't always in control but we adapt. When adults hear the fear mongering they have life experiences to balance hype with reality - when a child hears it they may believe the sky really is falling. I wonder how many parents are so glued to FB and twitter right now they don't realize how frightened their children may be.

If I had young children now - I'd turn off the TV and internet and take them for a hike or pull out the board games.

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Ken - it may have been easier. Kids are exposed to onlin - to media on TV - they interact with many more people in a day than kids did back then. After seeing your post yesterday - I was wondering how your son is doing. Can't believe he is 10!

I've lived through a natural disaster and saw how some people panic while others come together to do what needs to be done. I've seen how some focus on 'me me and what I need' and others offer to help those less fortunate. The extremes of human nature show up in times like this.


I remember stores of the great depression and books about the Dust Bowl - and how shocked I was that peole had to live like that. Once in a while we are reminded that we aren't all powerful - and it's always a shock when it happens.


It can teach self reliance for children with parents who will talk to them, explain that we aren't always in control but we adapt. When adults hear the fear mongering they have life experiences to balance hype with reality - when a child hears it they may believe the sky really is falling. I wonder how many parents are so glued to FB and twitter right now they don't realize how frightened their children may be.

If I had young children now - I'd turn off the TV and internet and take them for a hike or pull out the board games.
He is doing awesome and we plan on going crabbing at one of my favorite areas, it's my favorite because nobody ever puts in the effort to get to it.

so the crabs and fish are worth the extra effort and the seclusion will give me some kind of peace of mind. For a bit anyway.


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I just moved up with my brother he had foot surgery .a month ago and needs some help with his dog.and shopping .

So he is watching news 12 hours a day and panicing.

We just got back from the big store and a lot of thing where cleaned out ..

Apperently a big part of the rush is people having to buy supplies for around the house as they have to stay home.

We are looking at a worldwide change at the way we live say to day and interact with each other . Some of the changes may be permanent.
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Try going back to the store very early Monday morning - my son in Atlanta was told by the the Kroger's manager that they are restocking over night only....the goal is to have product available for as many people as possible rather than a few who are trying to buy large quantities as shelves are stocked. Other chains may be doing the same so the supplies in their warehouses last longer.



After empty shelves yesterday...my son went back to the same store at 6:30 this morning and found almost everything he wanted. Worth a shot.

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Originally Posted by tagiscom View Post

I have also read that Bicarbonate of soda, (soda water, etc) distroys the virus, so l may start drinking more carbonated water instead of plain, when l go out.

Iodine does also, but that can be poisonous if too much is taken internally.

I guess that soda water will disappear next?
Back in the 60's in the UK we used to have food vans coming round selling on the streets. Also, surprisingly open top vans selling exclusively, soda's. We would buy large glass bottles of Cream Soda, Lemonade, Ginger Beer, Orangeade etc..you name it. Money back on the bottles.

And what was the brand name.. Corona.

So do I think you are onto something here....Nope.

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Some supermarkets and walmarts are open 24 hours. There is a walmart near me and it is open 24 hours. They do not advertise this and at night the parking lot is dark but they are open and stocking the shelves. No customers except a few idiots like me. There is also a Supermarket chain in my area and most of them are open 24 hours as well. with only a small sign letting people know and usually empty in the wee hours

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Shane. Viruses are inside our cells. It doesn't matter what you drink. it won't kill viruses.

Please...I'm begging you...stop getting your news from Youtube videos. There is real information from the CDC and the WHO, that will tell you if something kills the virus.

Do you really think there would be this pandemic if all you had to do was drink soda water to cure it?

And..for god sake..don't drink bleach.
I didn't get it from TY, and this virus came from a poor area of China, where humans are in close contact with livestock, so if a virus came into being it would spread rapidly, due to poor health care.

In the western world, Phar, companys want to make money and doctors want to have a career, so anything that is cheap and easy will not be used or discussed.

And l still want to know where you heard about the bleach idea.


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I didn't get it from TY, and this virus came from a poor area of China, where humans are in close contact with livestock, so if a virus came into being it would spread rapidly, due to poor health care.

In the western world, Phar, companys want to make money and doctors want to have a career, so anything that is cheap and easy will not be used or discussed.

And l still want to know where you heard about the bleach idea.

Shane, this isn't the time.

There are 3 common household disinfectants that kill coronavirus. Hydrogen peroxide, chlorine bleach and isopropyl alcohol.

Of these three, only hydrogen peroxide can be used in the ears and nose safely.

I already use a neti pot once in a while. After a little research I've found that a mixture of 3 parts water and one part hydrogen peroxide is a good treatment for nasal infections.

A neti pot flushes the nasal cavity OUT of the body, and the flushing seems to me to be similar to washing your hands under a faucet, commonly recommended for coronavirus by credible sources.

We seem to know that corona stays in our nasal passage ways for about a week before moving to the lungs where it becomes the problem.

This doesn't mean that a neti pot and hydrogen peroxide will help with coronavirus in any way. And it's even possible it may hurt for some reason I'm not aware.

But based on the evidence I know at this time that hydrogen peroxide is effective killing corona virus and is safe to use, I'm going to use a neti pot/hyrdogen peroxide flush a couple of times a week until it starts hurting or someone credible tells me it's a waste of time, and tells me why.

IMO, the first step is to avoid conronavirus for reaching your nasals. The second step is to kill it in your nasals before it reaches your lungs. Even killing just some of the bugs before they reach the lungs may lessen the impact of the virus.

To whom it may concern: A neti/hyrogen peroxide flush isn't in place of the credible advice. It's in ADDITION TO the credible advice.

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Originally Posted by tagiscom View Post

I didn't get it from TY, and this virus came from a poor area of China, where humans are in close contact with livestock, so if a virus came into being it would spread rapidly, due to poor health care.

In the western world, Phar, companys want to make money and doctors want to have a career, so anything that is cheap and easy will not be used or discussed.

And l still want to know where you heard about the bleach idea.

Really are you that out of touch this spreads rapidly because is is transmitted many different ways has a long period of time it can survive on surfaces . And a person carrying the virus can transmit it a week before showing symtoms.

Pearls before swine ..no point in going on with a reasonable explanation.

You should just sign on with the government of China and blame the US for this
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As pointed out above - this is a an issue that may affect everyone on this forum no matter who they are or where they live. There is info to debate, there are stories people share - there is humor in the reactions at times.


BUT....

This thread WILL NOT become yet another insider joke/nonsense/conspiracy thread.

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750,000 - not anyone I'd listen to. Australis has 25 cases and 15 have recovered...


I've found it best to ignore the media's attempt to create panic
- and I just check a site (not related to me in any way) for the numbers.



https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/
And this is the exact BULL SHIT opinion that will end up costing 1000s (or maybe millions) of lives. The media has been FACTUAL the entire time.

Take responsibility for your BS of framing this as an attempt by the media to cause a "panic" weeks ago. Your comments were even more damaging than any conspiracy theory.

"It's just the media trying to create a panic". Yeah right.

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As pointed out above - this is a an issue that may affect everyone on this forum no matter who they are or where they live. There is info to debate, there are stories people share - there is humor in the reactions at times.


BUT....

This thread WILL NOT become yet another insider joke/nonsense/conspiracy thread.
I see it has become worthy of mention, and along with that comes the rest. Anyhow, thanks Kay and all the Mods who keep the mops at the ready. Here are a few thoughts I have.

1) Start keeping a journal. Many of us do routinely, but start one NOW just for this, begin it on Friday March, 13, 2020 the day it became a NATIONAL EMERGENCY. I suggest this so you have a clear idea of how this time unfolds for you, what effects it has, if any, and what you do differently this week from last week.

IF it all blows over quickly, you at least have a little keepsake of the times.

2) It has been my advice through dozens of National and Local Emergencies for decades to use this time to find out about what sort of a person you are? Will you hunker down with your and yours, or will you help those in need? A crisis always reveals things about us, doesn't it?

3) Make money. It isn't that hard. But along with that, quit spending it. Be more selective in your buys, sometimes a Want can be passed over for a Need. Sometimes, as in a Milky Way candy bar, the purchase can be both.

4) Plan, for several directions and outcomes. Doomsdayers want to scare you (to sell you stuff, so they can buy ammo for their bunkers) and the HOAXERS want you to ignore the facts of life. Time to decide for yourself.

As this is a marketing forum, let me share some things which have worked in the past, and I've been through quite a few of these things.

First about money. Money is only ONE form of exchange of value. In the coming days, BARTER and barter opportunities will become big again. They always do in the Ruff Times.

Boredom. Millions of kids home from school, parents having to make arrangements. See a surge in online gaming, and all things VIDEO TYPE chatting, and hopefully, not too much of the X rated stuff from bored college kids. Games, especially, ones like role play are popular because a "game" could last all day or even a weekend.

Small "guilty" pleasures. Snacks and beverages usually do well, as you will see an increase in alcohol consumption, and tobacco use. A resurgence of the home brewer, home wine maker, or even the home 'distiller' KITS will offer tools to the miners opportunities.

Let's have a discussion on how we can get through this and come out better, or share ideas on marketing, or making money, because many of you IMer's are going to lose your shirt very quickly in the next few weeks, better get a back up plan ready.

Thanks to all Mods for keeping on top of this, I guess it was worthy of mention, and now that it has our attention for awhile, lets make the best of it, shall we?

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This is a very useful read with charts to illustrate the points made:

When you’re done reading the article, this is what you’ll take away:
The coronavirus is coming to you.
It’s coming at an exponential speed: gradually, and then suddenly.
It’s a matter of days. Maybe a week or two.
When it does, your healthcare system will be overwhelmed.
Your fellow citizens will be treated in the hallways.
Exhausted healthcare workers will break down. Some will die.
They will have to decide which patient gets the oxygen and which one dies.
The only way to prevent this is social distancing today. Not tomorrow. Today.
That means keeping as many people home as possible, starting now.
As a politician, community leader or business leader, you have the power and the responsibility to prevent this.
You might have fears today: What if I overreact? Will people laugh at me? Will they be angry at me? Will I look stupid? Won’t it be better to wait for others to take steps first? Will I hurt the economy too much?
But in 2–4 weeks, when the entire world is in lockdown, when the few precious days of social distancing you will have enabled will have saved lives, people won’t criticize you anymore: They will thank you for making the right decision.
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Really are you that out of touch this spreads rapidly because is is transmitted many different ways has a long period of time it can survive on surfaces . And a person carrying the virus can transmit it a week before showing symtoms.

Pearls before swine ..no point in going on with a reasonable explanation.

You should just sign on with the government of China and blame the US for this

Well it developed in China, that is a fact, and sure some on news channels, are saying stay in your house and buy two weeks of food, (which wasn't the best advice, since shelves are now disappearing with cannot foods) so the elderly and disavantaged are getting hammered some more.

Some want us to live in caves and lock up AU, and others are saying that the "carry on" advise is wrong.

Carry on, sounds eerily similar to "she'll be right mate" which has got us into trouble in the past so...

I went to a restaurant today, the place that l should avoid, but since l am in financial limbo, need to take a break, and it was almost empty or safe, going by this site.

https://www.health.nsw.gov.au/Infect...-faqs.aspx#1-4

  • Clean your hands with soap and water for 20 seconds, or an alcohol-based hand rub.
  • Cover your nose and mouth when coughing and sneezing with tissue or a flexed elbow
  • Avoid close contact with anyone with cold or flu-like symptoms.
  • Practice cough etiquette (keep away from other people, cover coughs and sneezes with disposable tissues or clothing, and clean your hands.
  • Travellers to Asia should not visit live bird and animal markets, including ‘wet’ markets.

No one there was sick or coughing, and where l was sitting was relatively safe, (going by distance specified above and duration).

Sure l take precautions, l picked up a dirty N Switch controller then put it down and headed for the nearest toilet to wash, and other things, and l have also seen very few that are sick, and haven't noticed the few that were causing a mass exodus.

I am taking precautions, keeping as heathly as is possible so l don't get a cold, and not living in fear.

Or staying calm, taking precautions and carrying on!

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People are hoarding food, water, toilet paper and tightening spending.
My clothing store has been closed for a week and there are not many orders online.
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To whom it may concern: A neti/hyrogen peroxide flush isn't in place of the credible advice. It's in ADDITION TO the credible advice.
You didn't mention not to drink Hydrogen Peroxide. You would think that everyone would know that...but..nope.

My wife is 73 years old now. I told her that she should stay home from the store, and let me take care of it.

In Ohio there are 26 confirmed cases now. That means that there are lots lots more people that have it, but aren't yet symptomatic. And it means that it's no longer safe to assume that nobody I come in contact with, doesn't have it.

Cheryl and I are not going to the movies, eat at restaurants, attend events (except voting) until this starts going away.

I think at this moment, this is an overreaction. But I would much rather over react now, than panic later. We'll all weather the storm, but make no mistake, there is a storm.

I heard a commentator today say something like "We are going to find out what kind of people we are".

There are heroes, and they will be seen. But so will the villains. And I think most of us are decent people.

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I still ignore most of the media headlines and go straight to the fact reporting sites, the medical sites, the scientific sites. CNN headline this morning was 'pandemic brings out the worst in humanity' - but where I live I'm seeing it bring out the best, too.



In my area people are setting up help for those who need it - food for families doing without a paycheck, volunteers to help care for children out of school, even for the large number of Chinese university students who are 'stuck' here with the classes closed down. Every organization I belong to has sent me an email asking if I know of people who need help - they are doing community outreach in a very local way. These aren't scams - they are people I know and trust.


i'm sure the same thing is happening in towns and cities all over the world... Eventually, I'm sure we'll see those stories, too.









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And this is the exact BULL SHIT opinion that will end up costing 1000s (or maybe millions) of lives. The media has been FACTUAL the entire time.
Kurt; That was a tad more than 2 weeks ago. The world is different now.

Two weeks ago, it depended on where you heard the news, or if you heard it at all. Now? The CDC and World Health Organization have real numbers, as well as real numbers in the US. Believe me, two weeks ago, I was singing a different tune.

The real news (Not MSNBC or FOX) has been accurate all along. It's hard to ignore the role the political commentators play in molding our opinions. But now we have cold hard facts from the real experts. And it's getting through.

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You didn't mention not to drink Hydrogen Peroxide. You would think that everyone would know that...but..nope.

My wife is 73 years old now. I told her that she should stay home from the store, and let me take care of it.

In Ohio there are 26 confirmed cases now. That means that there are lots lots more people that have it, but aren't yet symptomatic. And it means that it's no longer safe to assume that nobody I come in contact with, doesn't have it.

Cheryl and I are not going to the movies, eat at restaurants, attend events (except voting) until this starts going away.

I think at this moment, this is an overreaction. But I would much rather over react now, than panic later. We'll all weather the storm, but make no mistake, there is a storm.

I heard a commentator today say something like "We are going to find out what kind of people we are".

I hope it doesn't come to that.
Are you going to close your store?

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shane .. let me fill in the reason you didn't see anyone sick and probably will not see sick people in public for the next few months ..or maby the next year .

but telling you this is me making the misguided assumption that you are intellectually capabale of understanding why social isolation .. is the critical tool in slowing and controlling the spread of this illness .

or do you want your country to turn into itally where the medical system is so overwhelmed that a number of elderly people sick with this thing are just being allowed to die because the resourses are not their to treat this ..not ehouph ventilators and other equipment needed to treat those sick with this .

once a really good treatment regimen is figured out for those exposed but not symptomatic .. and treatment for those who are ill with it .. once enough people actually contract it and survive and have the immunity to it .. so the course of action is to slow it down .. as much as possible .. and do what is needed to be done ..

so yes people where told to get 2 weeks of food.. do you know how many people have only a few days of food on hand most of the time ..ho many eat breafest lunch and dinner awy from home most of the week .. who are now at home and need to eat at home ..
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You didn't mention not to drink Hydrogen Peroxide. You would think that everyone would know that...but..nope.

My wife is 73 years old now. I told her that she should stay home from the store, and let me take care of it.

In Ohio there are 26 confirmed cases now. That means that there are lots lots more people that have it, but aren't yet symptomatic. And it means that it's no longer safe to assume that nobody I come in contact with, doesn't have it.

Cheryl and I are not going to the movies, eat at restaurants, attend events (except voting) until this starts going away.

I think at this moment, this is an overreaction. But I would much rather over react now, than panic later. We'll all weather the storm, but make no mistake, there is a storm.

I heard a commentator today say something like "We are going to find out what kind of people we are".

There are heroes, and they will be seen. But so will the villains. And I think most of us are decent people.
If more think like this ... we will weather it a lot faster.

I fear for just about every elder and I think people are foolish
for calling this an old people problem...if it mutates, this
moment might soon be considered "the good old days" for a lot of people.

I think everyone should assume it is already everywhere and it's too late.
So hunker down, unless you're not supplied, then get supplied and hunker down.

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You didn't mention not to drink Hydrogen Peroxide.

I think at this moment, this is an overreaction. But I would much rather over react now, than panic later. We'll all weather the storm, but make no mistake, there is a storm.

I heard a commentator today say something like "We are going to find out what kind of people we are".

There are heroes, and they will be seen. But so will the villains. And I think most of us are decent people.
well sometime over reaction and over preparation is warranted .. do we all come together and change our behavior for a few month or a bit longer and shift to producing the things we need to fight this while we still have a small number of cases . and so far in the last week people have shiften in greater numbers and faster than anyone would have thought possible 3 months ago ..

the other options was not shifting fast .and doctors and nurse having to chose who to save and who to let die because the resources where over run .thats faar more horrible than having no final four .. and the many other things we have to collectivly go without for a few months ..
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Are you going to close your store?
No, unless mandated by the government.

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No, unless mandated by the government.
No offense, but why the hell not?

Isn't your demographic mostly senior?

So whats the point, you don't need money money and are smart(ish).

What gives?


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tbh as a lameass wastes too much time on the internet, I would wanna praise out the kinda positive transmission potential we got whenevah we think 'bout stuff trooly ... an' transmit it positively steada reel by accident cozza amygdalalaland stuffs.

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No offense, but why the hell not?

isnt your demographic mostly senior?

So whats the point, you don't need money money and smart(ish)

so what gives?
My demographic is mostly middle aged and senior.

My only change will be to not take in dirty vacuum cleaners for repairs, unless they bought from us. We still have customers that count on us. It's for their benefit, not ours.

If I start getting sick, or if we just get very little traffic, I'll close the store for a couple of weeks, maybe.

The truth is, I do most of my writing and research here. I'd come in, even if the store itself were closed. And I'm in a rush to get my selling course and webinar completed in the next month.

We have noticed a marked downturn in traffic the last week or so. But again, I'm here for other reasons too.

Added later; I'm more worried about young people, carrying the virus, spreading it unintentionally. And frankly, young people don't come in here. This is an aging business model. In 10 years, our business will be either endangered or extinct.

Added for everyone else...
Washing your hands doesn't kill the virus. I've seen a few doctors say that, and it's even on the Consumer Reports site. Washing your hands removes the virus from your hands. Just like it removes everything else on the surface of your hands. But soap doesn't kill anything.

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My demographic is mostly middle aged and senior.

My only change will be to not take in dirty vacuum cleaners for repairs, unless they bought from us. We still have customers that count on us. It's for their benefit, not ours.

If I start getting sick, or if we just get very little traffic, I'll close the store for a couple of weeks, maybe.

The truth is, I do most of my writing and research here. I'd come in, even if the store itself were closed. And I'm in a rush to get my selling course and webinar completed in the next month.

We have noticed a marked downturn in traffic the last week or so. But again, I'm here for other reasons too.
Wooster and Cuyahoga Falls are home to GOJO Industries mfg. plants, they make the hand sanitizer stuff. Now adding people due to demand.

I would think those higher priced vacuums, with some sort of air particle catcher (HEPA??) might start selling more, or not? Got any Alpines in the back room, good time to get some air purifiers in the home.

Irony of this, many businesses lose, and some, like GOJO, get to an even higher level.

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Kurt; That was a tad more than 2 weeks ago. The world is different now.

Two weeks ago, it depended on where you heard the news, or if you heard it at all. Now? The CDC and World Health Organization have real numbers, as well as real numbers in the US. Believe me, two weeks ago, I was singing a different tune.

The real news (Not MSNBC or FOX) has been accurate all along. It's hard to ignore the role the political commentators play in molding our opinions. But now we have cold hard facts from the real experts. And it's getting through.
It's ironic you imply the WHO is free of political commentary.

There's a very glaring omission in WHO membership which should give you pause.
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It's so deathly quiet in the large rental complex I live in. All car spaces are filled. You usually hear the sounds of children playing outside. You can hear a pin drop. Hardly a car noise all day.

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It's so deathly quiet in the large rental complex I live in. All car spaces are filled. You usually hear the sounds of children playing outside. You can hear a pin drop. Hardly a car noise all day.
I WISH it was quiet here. I hear a huge group of kids playing outside...

Normally I LOVE hearing that, it means my kid has something besides
electronics to focus on. Today it's somewhat terrifying as my next
door neighbors are 84 & 85 ... two couples whom I don't know across the street are for sure in there 70's and one of em sports oxygen.

My mom who is 75 and has had a few issues over the last few years
...such as a heart attack wants to come here .... now.

I begged...begged...begged her to stay at home. Knowing her she will
get in the car without telling me, she has done it before.

She insists she's healthy - therefore - has nothing to worry about.

My mom is very intelligent, but for some reason has blinders on.

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The truth is, I do most of my writing and research here. I'd come in, even if the store itself were closed. And I'm in a rush to get my selling course and webinar completed in the next month.

We have noticed a marked downturn in traffic the last week or so. But again, I'm here for other reasons too.

Added later; I'm more worried about young people, carrying the virus, spreading it unintentionally. And frankly, young people don't come in here. This is an aging business model. In 10 years, our business will be either endangered or extinct.

Added for everyone else...
Washing your hands doesn't kill the virus. I've seen a few doctors say that, and it's even on the Consumer Reports site. Washing your hands removes the virus from your hands. Just like it removes everything else on the surface of your hands. But soap doesn't kill anything.
1) I knew you had to have a real reason. Some of my best work was done after everyone else went home. Side-note, when I rolled the entire company over to 24/7 I had to rent a stupid private just for me office across town. I hated that choice.

2) Me too

3) Is that a fact? I was under the impression the friction from agitation ruptured the cell walls. I do know that the soap doesn't do anything to the virus.


From what I understand... I don't know if this is true ... if you wash your hand with ONLY water rigorously scrubbing for 20 seconds you will kill and flush MOST...


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Prolly we all vacuumin' up on soul rn.

Desire to smoochie on up ain't gowin' noplace — 'spite how we mebbe wanna.

Here's a monstah IRL smite to genrl inventiveness principles ...

People meetin' up & swankyin' on out, dishin' hooman deets bcs whatevah, steppin' emselves forward & mebbe thinkin' on fyooture people's stuffs while they contrastin' convenience of immediate plastic crapola with hey yanno mebbe I don't get to got no grandkids aftah all, plus also it don't gotta do with nuthin' entiro dependent 'pon Moi bein' a ditz.

We seein' between-peeps stuffs bein' tested alongside fingertips in the void, an' it is a diminished kinda way in which to grow when the petri dish of possibility could mebbe point evrywan sumplace smartah.

Plus also, that's snoggin' ovah till whenevah for Moi, so I gotta decide what to do with alla my repressed tongue lashin'.

Parta me says ...

beat back alien laser attacks like Babe Ruth swingin' his bat, swallowin' occasionally to remind evrywan I am MORTAL while smackin' the bugs.

Resta me says ...

flop out in the PRISON THAT WAS ONCE MY HOME & drop all my embarrassin' self talk ovah at Mind Warriors.

Or mebbe I jus' work with the pain an' lick out a whole buncha Ben & Jerry's till I numb.

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Well, Governor DeWine just closed restaurants and bars. They can only operate to serve delivery or carryout. Our schools are already closed and he says preschools are next.

I applaud his efforts to shut this shit down in the Buckeye State.

Raising a child is akin to knowing you're getting fired in 18 years and having to train your replacement without actively sabotaging them.
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Wooster and Cuyahoga Falls are home to GOJO Industries mfg. plants, they make the hand sanitizer stuff. Now adding people due to demand.

I would think those higher priced vacuums, with some sort of air particle catcher (HEPA??) might start selling more, or not? Got any Alpines in the back room, good time to get some air purifiers in the home.


Irony of this, many businesses lose, and some, like GOJO, get to an even higher level.

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I've given this some serious thought.

I'll be selling quite a lot more HEPA filters and Air Purifiers. I'll even be advertising the air purifiers, because I'm a salesman, and that's what we do.

But I know, from vast experience, that people will buy believing something that isn't true. And I feel responsible for explaining what an air purifier will do, and what it won't do.

A friend of mine, who used to be the top distributor for an air purifier company, is now advertising his air purifiers on Facebook, making untrue claims about how these purifiers affect the Coronavirus.

My air purifiers create Ozone, Ions, and have a UV light inside them...along with a HEPA filter. I sell them for $495 in the store.

But Here's what they will and will not do.

Ozone kills germs, bacteria, and mold...but is extremely slow acting in killing viruses in the air. So it's an ineffective solution.

Ions produced by the air purifier won't do anything except keep the virus from floating in the air. Ions create a static charge between particles in the air, causing them to fall out of the air, an sticking to a surface. Making a virus less likely to be inhaled. I use one in my store, originally to get rid of the smell of other people's vacuum cleaner bags we throw in the trash, but it also gets rid of air born particles.

UV light will kill the virus, but only if the virus finds it's way into the purifier. It's not effective at all on a virus that's on a surface, or is air born.

A HEPA filter will cut down dramatically on air born particles. But not viruses, germs, or bacteria. HEPA filters have no effect of the virus distribution.

I'm not selling air purifiers here, but explaining how it's easy to misrepresent this as a solution. I think I'm going to include a disclaimer (maybe using the exact words I used here) with every air purifier sold.

Some things are more important than money.

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3) Is that a fact? I was under the impression the friction from agitation ruptured the cell walls. I do know that the soap doesn't do anything to the virus.
The problem is, even though that's true...killing 90% of the virus on your hands still makes it 100% transferable.

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The problem is, even though that's true...killing 90% of the virus on your hands still makes it 100% transferable.
Some of the best discussion on this is

here

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the Warrior Forum?????

Now to find a fav movie, dog, car or youtube channel, and I don't even have to leave here.

As for isolation and clean air, maybe I can do one more patrol on a nuclear powered submarine for the next 2-3 months...

I just made a box out of hepa filters, soaked in hydrogen perioxide, to wear on my head and stuck a vicks inhaler up each nostril...and locked my doors and turned on the Rife Generator while wearing a Fisher Wallace Stimulator...

And thinking, maybe

maybe

Corona Virus might be one of my lesser problems???

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Originally Posted by Claude Whitacre View Post

The problem is, even though that's true...killing 90% of the virus on your hands still makes it 100% transferable.
I think the only way it's ever not "most" is if you do the doctor scrub with
a disinfectant.


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Unread 15th Mar 2020, 10:39 PM   #145
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Originally Posted by GordonJ View Post

Let's have a discussion on how we can get through this and come out better,
Most people are missing the main long term consequence of the coronavirus.

Namely: it will accelerate the decoupling between the West and China (or at least the US and China).

From the China law blog:

Originally Posted by Dan Harris

Five years ago, for every 100 companies our China lawyers helped set up contract manufacturing in China, we helped maybe one end its contract manufacturing in China. Two years ago, that ratio was maybe 100 going to China and five leaving. Today, for every company our law firm helps set up manufacturing in China we help around the same number leave or at least try to leave. And because far fewer companies realize the need for legal counsel when ceasing to manufacture in China (as opposed to starting to manufacture in China), I have concluded that far more companies are ceasing to manufacture in China than are starting to manufacture in China.
In Western countries, the reasons why are obvious to even casual observers so there's no need to point them out.

What is less obvious is that it will also fan anti-PRC sentiment in the East:

The PRC numbers are likely gross undercounts (why most accept them as is, I have no idea), but it is also likely the case for a good number of Asian countries.

When the Belt and Road initiative becomes the belt and road pandemic,there will be enormous pressure for a lot of heads of state to explain why they kowtowed to Beijing as is the case currently in both South Korea and Japan. They too might want to look for ways to gradually divest.

The questions then are:

If Western companies are pulling out of the PRC, where do they go next? South East Asia cannot fully replace the PRC as a manufacturing hub, so what next?
Can we make the US more like Germany or Japan in terms of manufacturing?
If so, how?Or can we make Latin America or India more like the 1990s China? If so, for which industries? And if not, why not? Is it simply a question of culture? Business as usual? Complaency? Fear of Skynet or of Mexicans (to quote an American philosopher "there will be taco trucks on every corner")? The economic costs of decoupling are obvious, can we lessen the pain engendered by it?


This to me will be the main legacy of coronavirus.
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Just finished watching this:


Even knowing it is a Chinese propaganda type piece... Its very telling... and I think as a Nation ( USA ) we are failing miserably and this is coming from the guy that lives in the ONLY state with ZERO known cases. Ohio being the most proactive State in the union is uh interesting to say the least - should be interesting to see how all of this plays out.

For us in the States I suggest based on models I have looked at, by Wednesday going into Thursday stuff should really hit the fan.

Nationwide there are only 96,000 ICU beds in total, as a frame of reference Italy has 14,000 ( +/- ) and in relation to population USA 320 Million and Italy 60 Million - Do the math real fast and you see our medical system will more than likely crumble - and in no way will we "build" a 1000 bed hospital in 11 days.

The variables at play here are the Economy, and feeding kids that rely on school for a meal - a price will be paid, and the political environment will look a whole lot different in elections to come.

The other issue that is coming to light is the dependency on a world market - that will fail, and as China is now indicating, be used as a tool. Interesting times to say the least.

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It is very good and thanks for sharing this.
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Unread 16th Mar 2020, 03:40 AM   #148
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Originally Posted by Odahh View Post

shane .. let me fill in the reason you didn't see anyone sick and probably will not see sick people in public for the next few months ..or maby the next year .

but telling you this is me making the misguided assumption that you are intellectually capabale of understanding why social isolation .. is the critical tool in slowing and controlling the spread of this illness .

or do you want your country to turn into itally where the medical system is so overwhelmed that a number of elderly people sick with this thing are just being allowed to die because the resourses are not their to treat this ..not ehouph ventilators and other equipment needed to treat those sick with this .

once a really good treatment regimen is figured out for those exposed but not symptomatic .. and treatment for those who are ill with it .. once enough people actually contract it and survive and have the immunity to it .. so the course of action is to slow it down .. as much as possible .. and do what is needed to be done ..

so yes people where told to get 2 weeks of food.. do you know how many people have only a few days of food on hand most of the time ..ho many eat breafest lunch and dinner awy from home most of the week .. who are now at home and need to eat at home ..
Thank you for those kind and all inspiring words or encouragement, and l will do my best to keep up, with indeterminate morphology.

And the 30 year war.

Sure isolation is necessary, eventhough saying buy two weeks of food cleared all shelves, but Safeways will close for a few days and reopen at 7am til 8, for the elderly only.


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A handy guide to symptoms of COVID-19 from the WHO.


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One thing I'm finding very curious about the turmoil on financial markets is the gold price. In 2008 during the meltdown, gold went through the roof as investors sought a safe haven.

This time around I'd expected a similar pattern to emerge. The price of gold is getting hammered along with everything else though and I'm buggered if I can think of a reason for it.

Anyone have any ideas as to why this is?

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