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One possibility that occurred to me is that more kids are getting diagnosed with Autism now, simply because fewer kids were tested years ago.

While I think that might be some of it, I do not believe that's the whole story. There are children nowadays who are so severely autistic they're not even verbal. The cases appear to be way more numerous as well as being way more severe. If parents had a child who couldn't even speak "way back in the day", they'd know that something was wrong with that child. The issue would not simply not be noticed.



I have heard this a number of times but I do not believe that is the majority of the issue.

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I heard just this morning that there is a 40% more contagious strain of Covid beginning to go around. Are you okay with everybody out there spreading Covid pathogens far and wide while not using the masks correctly? I'm not. Not at all. If we "follow the science" how come no one is heeding the CDC tip to "wash or sanitize your hands if you touch your mask"??

Granted, people like Dr. Fauci as well as people at the CDC should be making sure the public knows this and they have not done so. Not sure what they think masks are going to do if everybody uses them wrong.

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Not sure what they think masks are going to do if everybody uses them wrong.
The vast vast majority of the saliva containing the virus is stopped on the inside of the mask. As long as you don't touch the inside of your mask, you should be OK.

The purpose of the mask was to greatly reduce the ability of the virus (contained in your saliva ) to travel several feet when you exhale...especially when you sneeze, cough, yell, laugh, sing. Even the cheap 3 ply masks with the nose clip do that pretty well.

And...masks stop you from spreading the virus when you exhale, they don't stop you from breathing it in. For that, you need a mask that is completely sealed around the edges. It's why, even with a mask, you should stay a few feet away from anyone you are talking with.

The way I used to see nearly everyone wear their mask incorrectly, was by wearing it below their nose. making the mask completely ineffectual.

You mentioned the variants.

The good thing about the vaccines is that they are still effective against the more deadly variants that we see now. But with a third of the country refusing to get vaccinated, the variants will continue to grow in number, until one isn't stopped by the current vaccines. A hundred million people are still determined to keep this virus alive.

The 601,000 people in the US that died from Covid in the last year? They have one thing in common. they weren't vaccinated.

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The good thing about the vaccines is that they are still effective against the more deadly variants that we see now. But with a third of the country refusing to get vaccinated, the variants will continue to grow in number, until one isn't stopped by the current vaccines. A hundred million people are still determined to keep this virus alive.

The 601,000 people in the US that died from Covid in the last year? They have one thing in common. they weren't vaccinated.
the delta variant is far more contagious and effects people from 21-60 at much higher rates and is quickly becoming the dominant strain as hotter weather hit and people gather in doors in climate controlled conditions ..that seem to be the ideal environment for transmission ...

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the delta variant is far more contagious and effects people from 21-60 at much higher rates and is quickly becoming the dominant strain as hotter weather hit and people gather in doors in climate controlled conditions ..that seem to be the ideal environment for transmission ...

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Yeah, that's what I heard too. And as far as the masks go, if they're only going to stop the virus from going out to other people, why do people who test negative have to wear a mask? Why can't we simply get a test to see if we're positive or negative and if we're negative we don't have to use a mask. Why make everybody wear one? That makes zero sense whatsoever, and I'm not buying it. Not to mention, people are touching the heck out of those masks. They're pulling them up-down-up-down-up-down as well as putting them into their pockets and purses and cars and whatever else. They're putting the old, dirty mask on the next day (I saw a video that showed the inside of a particular politician's mask after she pulled it down and it was downright nasty. She obviously never washes that thing but wears it daily.)



From the CDC's website. Emphasis added by me:


Studies demonstrate that cloth mask materials can also reduce wearers’ exposure to infectious droplets through filtration, including filtration of fine droplets and particles less than 10 microns.


https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019...sars-cov2.html
If the only thing the masks are doing is preventing positive people from exposing others, then why would the CDC care about reducing a mask wearer's exposure to infectious droplets? If they're positive, they're already exposed.



No one is making sure not to get their hands on certain parts of the mask. The idea of the masks is twofold:


1.) To prevent healthy people from becoming exposed, and


2.) To prevent positive people from exposing others.


You cannot tell me that the only use of the mask is so that positive people don't infect others. Not to mention the positive people are also spreading the pathogens far and wide. Why else would the CDC say to "wash or sanitize your hands if you touch your mask"?? Also, they tested several masks that young school children had been wearing and those were full of scary pathogens. Not Covid but other very serious diseases, in which case other deadly pathogens are being spread far and wide by people using the masks incorrectly, as well as Covid.



P.S. No one has clarified whether the people who contract Covid after getting the vaccine are contagious. Are they contagious or are they not?

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From the Mayo Clinic:

Wash or sanitize your hands before and after putting on your mask.

Place your mask over your mouth and nose and chin.

Tie it behind your head or use ear loops. Make sure it's snug.

Don't touch your mask while wearing it.

If you accidentally touch your mask, wash or sanitize your hands.


https://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-conditions/coronavirus/in-depth/coronavirus-mask/art-20485449
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P.S. No one has clarified whether the people who contract Covid after getting the vaccine are contagious. Are they contagious or are they not?
For a very short time, yes. The virus can be contracted, but it won't thrive and reproduce.


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From the Mayo Clinic:

Wash or sanitize your hands before and after putting on your mask.

Place your mask over your mouth and nose and chin.

Tie it behind your head or use ear loops. Make sure it's snug.

Don't touch your mask while wearing it.

If you accidentally touch your mask, wash or sanitize your hands.


https://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-conditions/coronavirus/in-depth/coronavirus-mask/art-20485449
I stand corrected. It seems like overkill though. People are (were) constantly adjusting the fit and the nose clamp.

The first several months of the pandemic, we were sanitizing the door handles and countertops of our store every hour, and after every customer. Eventually we found out that the vast vast majority of cases were being transmitted through the air, so we just wore masks and washed our hands after every customer interaction.


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Yeah, that's what I heard too. And as far as the masks go, if they're only going to stop the virus from going out to other people, why do people who test negative have to wear a mask?
If you wear a mask, even a cheap one, it helps keep saliva droplets (from others) from being breathed in. But it's not a secure protection. Air follows the path of least resistance. Air being breathed in, while wearing a cheap mask (Not the N95 masks), will go around the sides of the mask where it isn't secure. But it does offer some protection.
It would help protect from breathing in saliva droplets from others. It won't do much for airborne viruses that aren't attached to saliva droplets.

When you exhale, the water droplets stick to the inside of the mask., and diffuse the air stream, shortening the distance a saliva droplet can travel from the mouth and nose.

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For a very short time, yes.

If you wear a mask, even a cheap one, it helps keep saliva droplets (from others) from being breathed in. But it's not a secure protection. Air follows the path of least resistance. Air being breathed in, while wearing a cheap mask (Not the N95 masks), will go around the sides of the mask where it isn't secure. But it does offer some protection.
It would help protect from breathing in saliva droplets from others. It won't do much for airborne viruses that aren't attached to saliva droplets.

When you exhale, the water droplets stick to the inside of the mask., and diffuse the air stream, shortening the distance a saliva droplet can travel from the mouth and nose.
it's a bit late to be talking about masks ..i have had my second shot and in about a week i will be considered fully vaccinated ..

people don't want to get vaccinated or wear masks in public let them take the risks at this point

businesses will have the right to make policies that reduce their liability
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it's a bit late to be talking about masks ..i have had my second shot and in about a week i will be considered fully vaccinated ..
Yeah, the people who were going to get vaccinated (in the US) have already done it.

They are free, available everywhere, and there is no waiting in line.

Almost nobody comes in our store wearing a mask now. And maybe half of them haven't been vaccinated.

Cheryl and I will put on a mask if they are wearing one. I haven't worn one in days.

I don't even hear it as a topic of conversation anymore. Man, that went away fast.

Of course, with 100 million people in the US not vaccinated, and not wearing a mask....we'll see how it goes.

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Yeah, the people who were going to get vaccinated (in the US) have already done it.

They are free, available everywhere, and there is no waiting in line.

Almost nobody comes in our store wearing a mask now. And maybe half of them haven't been vaccinated.

Cheryl and I will put on a mask if they are wearing one. I haven't worn one in days.

I don't even hear it as a topic of conversation anymore. Man, that went away fast.

Of course, with 100 million people in the US not vaccinated, and not wearing a mask....we'll see how it goes.
well the test is not the unvaccinated or fully vaccinated .. but what happens when this delta strain hits the partially vaccinated ....oddly enough why have no veriants up to this point come from the US

there is a lot of things we still don't know about
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oddly enough why have no veriants up to this point come from the US
My guess is that, because we only have about 4% of the world's population, but have access to vaccines, there are other countries where there are far worse pandemic outbreaks.

The odds are just greater than variants will come from these greater concentrations of unvaccinated people.


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For a very short time, yes. The virus can be contracted, but it won't thrive and reproduce.
But if they pass the virus on to someone else the virus can thrive and reproduce in them, right? So even vaccinated people can be out there spreading Covid around.



Let's not forget the principle of herd immunity as well. People throwing numbers around like X amount of people are vaccinated, so Y amount of people will still get the virus. It doesn't work that way. Many people simply become immune without showing any kind of symptoms at all. I am one of those kind of people. I just don't "catch" very many things and it's been that way my entire life. When things like this go around, vaccines and herd immunity help to protect the public.




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I stand corrected. It seems like overkill though. People are (were) constantly adjusting the fit and the nose clamp.

The first several months of the pandemic, we were sanitizing the door handles and countertops of our store every hour, and after every customer. Eventually we found out that the vast vast majority of cases were being transmitted through the air, so we just wore masks and washed our hands after every customer interaction.




If you wear a mask, even a cheap one, it helps keep saliva droplets (from others) from being breathed in. But it's not a secure protection. Air follows the path of least resistance. Air being breathed in, while wearing a cheap mask (Not the N95 masks), will go around the sides of the mask where it isn't secure. But it does offer some protection.
It would help protect from breathing in saliva droplets from others. It won't do much for airborne viruses that aren't attached to saliva droplets.

When you exhale, the water droplets stick to the inside of the mask., and diffuse the air stream, shortening the distance a saliva droplet can travel from the mouth and nose.



While I hate the masks and I'm not keen on being forced to wear a mask, I actually do think they're a good idea during cold and flu season. There would be a lot fewer droplets containing pathogens that get out to the public and we'd probably have fewer people getting sick. Flu can also be a killer, especially for elderly people or people with certain "comorbities". I first saw this idea when we visited my husband's doctor's office. It was after Covid while people were required to wear masks, but the sign in their office talked about the masks helping to prevent colds and flu instead of Covid and that made a tremendous amount of sense to me.




Now, the idea of wearing not one, but two masks is awful. It's hard enough to breath with one mask on. LOL

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Granted, people like Dr. Fauci as well as people at the CDC should be making sure the public knows this and they have not done so. Not sure what they think masks are going to do if everybody uses them wrong.
As a health minor and educator I can't help noticing neither the CDC nor Big Pharma discusses how to improve our immune systems. No profit or press in that.

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Many people simply become immune without showing any kind of symptoms at all. I am one of those kind of people. I just don't "catch" very many things and it's been that way my entire life. When things like this go around, vaccines and herd immunity help to protect the public.

Shhhh The discussion of our natural immune system has not been approved by the CDC nor pharmaceutical manufacturers.

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Well Boys and Girls (And everyone in between)...

This isn't over. We act like it's over. Nobody wears masks now, and social gatherings and events are back in vogue.

But there are a couple of problems. Still....still over 100 million people in the US refuse to get vaccinated.

And the far more virulent Delta stain is now accounting for over half the new cases.

And cases and hospitalizations are up by double digits in nearly every state. Deaths haven't gone up because most of the new cases are middle aged and younger people.

A couple things to consider.

1) 99.5% of the new cases are from unvaccinated people. Only half of 1% of the new cases are from vaccinated people. And these are almost all people who only got the first shot.

2) Of the 600,000 people in the US that died from Covid, they had one thing in common. None of them were vaccinated.

It's as if 40% of the country is bound and determined to keep this virus alive and mutating.

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I have a doctor appt this afternoon and was surprised to be told 'masks required and bring your vaccination card'. I've gotten accustomed to feeling 'safe' again.


I hear the warnings on the news - but then I look around and I don't know of a SINGLE person who is sick with covid. No neighbor or friend or distant cousin... That was not true a few months ago...or for the past year.



I don't know what the answer is.



If vaccinated people begin to get sick because others refuse vaccinations - the public opinion on requiring 'shots' could change quickly. I don't believe in mandatory vaccinations - but I have no problem limiting access to some venues/businesses to those who have been vaccinated.



Actions have consequences - but inaction has consequences, too.


Seems to me those who have taken the steps to protect themselves and their families have rights that might supersede the 'you can't make me get a shot' crowd...?

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I have a doctor appt this afternoon and was surprised to be told 'masks required and bring your vaccination card'. I've gotten accustomed to feeling 'safe' again.


I hear the warnings on the news - but then I look around and I don't know of a SINGLE person who is sick with covid. No neighbor or friend or distant cousin... That was not true a few months ago...or for the past year.
Even though there has been a marked increase across the country, it hasn't at all reached the levels we experienced even a few months ago. The new Delta variant is what kicked off the increase.

The fear (I think justified) is that the Delta variant, which is far more virulent than the original Covid strain, will keep spreading to the remaining unvaccinated population. A few states (mostly in the south) have low levels of vaccinated, even less than 35%.

So far, the vaccines are highly effective against all strains of the virus. But that can easily change, as it does with the flu, pretty much every year.

Something that confuses some people is "Herd immunity".

If you live in a city of 300,000 people, and 66% have been vaccinated, the chances of you getting the virus are about the same as if you lived in a city of 100,000 and nobody was vaccinated.

Herd immunity of 70% or more just means that the hospitals won't be overtaken with the sick and dying, because less people are susceptible to serious illness from the virus.

If you are unvaccinated, your chances of getting the virus, getting sick, or dying haven't changed at all.

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Each blockbuststah trailah an' cliffhangah more hyped up than the last.

Then we get bored an' moved on.

Alla the movies're still available, but we don't watch 'em so much no more.

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There are hoops through which we must leap.

An' there are goobers wanna sleep.

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I believe that firstly it was a really dangerous and aggressive virus that took a lot of lives, but now it's just a business. All this vaccinations, specific drugs - it might be just a pharmaceutical business
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Sadly, the numbers in my area are quickly escalating again. I fear it's partly because we're a tourist spot (Amelia Island) that has been swarmed with visitors this summer. The hospitals in Jacksonville are packed and the majority of people in ICU are between the ages of 20 and 40 and are unvaccinated. I'm not quoting documented facts, of course, just what I've read from local sources and heard from nurses in the area.

It's very disheartening since things had started to improve up until last month.

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In one of my last posts, I said that 99.5% of new cases weren't vaccinated. I was wrong. It's 99.5% of new deaths from Covid are from unvaccinated people. The rare deaths from people already vaccinated universally have at least one huge co-morbidity factor, morbidly obese, type 2 diabetes, advanced cancer patients, or recent organ transplants with immunosuppressing drugs.

As of today, only 49% of the US population has been fully vaccinated. That includes children

The good news is that 56% have had at least one shot.

That's 160,000,000 people in the US fully vaccinated with almost zero after effects.

Just a thought.

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As of today, only 49% of the US population has been fully vaccinated. That includes children
A recent study in the UK that found that only 6 children out of the nearly half a million COVID infections died from the disease. 19 other deaths were children with pre-existing conditions.

99.995% of the 469,982 children who were infected during the year, survived.

Children are NOT affected by this flu.
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/32371442/

But hey, let's shoot experimental vaccines that were rushed out for emergency use in a year, into harmless childrens veins.

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That's 160,000,000 people in the US fully vaccinated with almost zero after effects.

Just a thought.
Over 9000 DEAD on the CDC'S own VAERS database...and...over 400,000 injuries...

...ALL CAUSED BY THE COVID EXPERIMENTAL JAB.

What was that you said? Almost zero side effects?

There Were More COVID-19 Vaccine Deaths Last Week in US than COVID-19 Deaths
https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/202...vid-19-deaths/

Just a thought.

Oh, and if the experimental gene therapy works so wonderfully well, can you tell me why there's a push to get kids vaccinated? They aren't affected by the virus. And if the vaccine works, why would they need it?

They don't. No one but the people who WANT it, need to get it, if it works like you falsely claim it does. You don't need a medical degree to figure that one out.

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I agree with declan on vaccination of children. It was announced this week that vaccine approval for kids under 12 is being delayed for further study.


Smart move in my view. Kids are not at great risk and all the 'numbers' show that - making certain with further studies that children at not negatively affected by the vaccine is the smart thing to do.


I don't feel that way about adults - I think those refusing to be vaccinated are foolish - but it's their risk.

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A recent study in the UK that found that only 6 children out of the nearly half a million COVID infections died from the disease. 19 other deaths were children with pre-existing conditions.

99.995% of the 469,982 children who were infected during the year, survived.

Children are NOT affected by this flu.
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/32371442/

But hey, let's shoot experimental vaccines that were rushed out for emergency use in a year, into harmless childrens veins.



Over 9000 DEAD on the CDC'S own VAERS database...and...over 400,000 injuries...

...ALL CAUSED BY THE COVID EXPERIMENTAL JAB.

What was that you said? Almost zero side effects?

There Were More COVID-19 Vaccine Deaths Last Week in US than COVID-19 Deaths
https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/202...vid-19-deaths/

Just a thought.

Oh, and if the experimental gene therapy works so wonderfully well, can you tell me why there's a push to get kids vaccinated? They aren't affected by the virus. And if the vaccine works, why would they need it?

They don't. No one but the people who WANT it, need to get it, if it works like you falsely claim it does. You don't need a medical degree to figure that one out.
For those who care but don't know....

The Gateway Pundit (TGP) is an American far-right fake news website. The website is known for publishing falsehoods, hoaxes, and conspiracy theories.


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Her sister has covid, she is young so it's probably no big deal, but her 50 or 60 something-year-old diabetic mother and 87-year-old grandmother might have an issue.


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For those who care but don't know....

The Gateway Pundit (TGP) is an American far-right fake news website. The website is known for publishing falsehoods, hoaxes, and conspiracy theories.
Recently, I had a customer tell me that more people died from the vaccine than from Covid. I ignored it because I couldn't accept that anyone would actually believe that.

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There Were More COVID-19 Vaccine Deaths Last Week in US than COVID-19 Deaths
https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/202...vid-19-deaths/
Except - it's a false interpretation and not what the CDC has published. Yes, there were covid deaths after the vaccine - over 4000 so far - mainly in those over 65. NO vaccine provides 100% protection....4000+ cases in 160 million who were vaccinated is not a big percentage.

However, they did not 'die of the vaccine' - they died from covid in spite of being vaccinated. Good reason to keep your distance from those refusing the vaccine.

There are also some blogs giving the number of 'deaths after vaccination' even though many of those people died of cancer or heart failure - nothing at all to do with the vaccines or with covid. They died 'after being vaccinated' which was good enough for that writer....

The potential of 'break through' covid infections is good reason to stay away from those who have not been vaccinated.

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People always seem to "shoot the messenger" when it comes to a news site that's Conservative. And yet~they don't seem willing to "cross reference" the information to see if it's a "conspiracy theory" or hoax or what have you. They just assume, and then announce, that the information, because it came from a non-Liberal site, is false. I've been reading the Gateway Pundit for years and I have been able to find the same information on other sources every time I've looked for it. If you really want to convince people that it publishes a bunch of falsehoods then by all means, please...link to those "falsehoods" and evidence that they are not true. I'll wait.


This site shows that there were almost 400k "injuries" from the vaccine and not only do they say it, they show it with screenshots as well as link back to the original source.


It gets very tiring to always have to defend news sources when major news agencies: ABC, NBC, CNN, etc print falsehoods in bigger numbers than the Conservative websites.


This whole "vaccine thing" has gotten downright scary. Never in my lifetime has the Government used medical information so that they can go door to door and harass people into doing something they want them to do. But they're doing that now with the vaccine. Do you honestly not see a problem with that? Are we back in 1939 Germany?

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However, they did not 'die of the vaccine' - they died from covid in spite of being vaccinated. Good reason to keep your distance from those refusing the vaccine.

There are also some blogs giving the number of 'deaths after vaccination' even though many of those people died of cancer or heart failure - nothing at all to do with the vaccines or with covid. They died 'after being vaccinated' which was good enough for that writer....
See, this is an example of my genuine concern for the messaging on this thing from the beginning. I'm not a conspiracy theorist but things just aren't right.

Before if a person with heart disease died of COVID, they counted it as a COVID death. Even if COVID had nothing to do with the death. In other words, it wasn't that they died from pneumonia or flu type symptoms. They died from chest pain as in a heart attack. But the authorities counted it as COVID.

Or someone with cancer where the cancer had been growing over years, but they caught COVID along the way and died. That was also a COVID death.

It's almost like they were trying to convince us that COVID was bad, and we should be scared.

Now, it's a different story. If a person has heart disease and they get a COVID shot and die within a week, it has nothing at all to do with heart disease. The same with cancer or any other disease It's all a coincidence.

For example, I've seen cases where obese (or whatever) people get the shot and are dead within two days. Before the shot, even though obese, they were working or going to school or playing with their kids or whatever. Normal life. Then all the sudden they die after the shot. But the authorities say the fat just all the sudden caught up with them. Has nothing to do with the shot.

It's almost like they are trying to convince us that vaccines are good, and we should not be scared.

Why did they change their criteria? COVID death + heart disease = COVID death. Vaccine + heart disease + death = not related at all.

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PS Even after my first jab, I'm still just as ugly, dumb, and fat. I'm kind of bummed out.
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First, technically, what you say is based on a real logical fallacy, You are talking about an appeal to Authority, and also the wrong assumption that a biased source is wrong, because of who said it.

So, there's a compliment.

But some sources are so driven by political agenda, like many ultra liberal opinion sites, that it can safely be assumed that they have taken the information and interpreted it in a way to appeal to their audience.

An...there is a difference between a conservatives point of view, and believing something just because it came from a conservative source.

Just as there is a difference between a liberal point of view, and believing something, just because it came from a liberal source.

So you are also doing what you are accusing others of doing, assuming what you read is true, because you trust that source.

There is a difference between a liberal or conservative point of view, and a lie.

Thank you, Claude. You do have a good way with words.


I personally don't just "trust the source", Liberal or Conservative. I usually do cross reference stories; sometimes because I want to "test" the information for myself and other times because I want to show to someone who might be more Liberal that the information actually is true. I respect anyone who does their own checking on information and I appreciate it when people don't automatically "pile on" simply because a news site tends to be Conservative.

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I don't shoot messengers but if I want to know what the CDC says - I'll go to the CDC to find out rather than sites that tell me 'what the cdc said' and interpret it for me. When any site starts by telling me 'we may be censored so be sure to get your news here'....I'll probably move on.



https://www.npr.org/sections/health-...-covid-vaccine


https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019...se-events.html


https://www.sciencemag.org/news/2021...s-scare-public


https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/...ed/7587577002/


https://wonder.cdc.gov/vaers.html


https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019...se-events.html


I doubt any 'vaccine police' will come to the door here - but if they do, we will politely ask them to leave. We will not tell them what we think - or anything else. My guess is they will leave when asked to do so.

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See, this is an example of my genuine concern for the messaging on this thing from the beginning. I'm not a conspiracy theorist but things just aren't right.

Before if a person with heart disease died of COVID, they counted it as a COVID death. Even if COVID had nothing to do with the death. In other words, it wasn't that they died from pneumonia or flu type symptoms. They died from chest pain as in a heart attack. But the authorities counted it as COVID.

Why did they change their criteria? COVID death + heart disease = COVID death. Vaccine + heart disease + death = not related at all.

Mark

PS Even after my first jab, I'm still just as ugly, dumb, and fat. I'm kind of bummed out.
I think your premise is wrong.

Doctors know the cause of death. If you are obese and you die from damage to your lungs, and Covid caused that damage, it's a Covid death. The fact that you are obese may have increased the odds of your death, but that's not why you died that day.

If you have a heart attack because you cannot get Oxygen to the heart, that's a Covid death as well. The question is always "What caused them to die that day?" And the answer to that question is what is reported.

If you have a heart attack, and they cannot trace the cause of the heart attack directly to a symptom of Covid, you died of a heart attack.

I don't think they changed their criteria. i think they always knew the cause of death. And I think it was probably reported accurately in the vast vast majority of cases.

I think the messaging you are talking about changes because the person/station/website reporting it wants to shape a story to appeal to its readers/watchers/listeners.

Even with the best reporters on the popular stations (let's say CNN VS FOX), I have to discount at least 20% of what thy say, because the argument they give is slanted to support a view they already have. And that 20% doesn't even count the information I am not sure about. I'm just talking about the defective structure of their claim.

Quotes are taken out of context and then interpreted in the worst possible way, statements are edited to leave out critical information. And stories that oppose a narrative are ignored, even with real proof. And the more left or right leaning the source, the more acute the problem. So on the extremes, you really just have lies and propaganda.

I see that everywhere on cable. I believe the CDC, because at the end of the day, all the figures have to add up. There is no place for bias, because bias ruins the math.

By the way, I'm glad you got your first jab. My big thrill was that for a few days, the swelling in my shoulder made me look slightly more muscular...in one shoulder.


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I don't shoot messengers but if I want to know what the CDC says - I'll go to the CDC to find out rather than sites that tell me 'what the cdc said' and interpret it for me. .
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I just heard Lester Holt on nightly news say this:

"The CDC says the surge in new covid cases IS BECOMING THE PANDEMIC OF THE UNVACCINATED."

He was clearly making a 'serious announcement' and he did not even 'splorf'.

Covid has ALWAYS been a pandemic of the unvaccinated....that is why we had such pressure to develop vaccines and test them and approve them. Can you say 'duh'???

I think in the US at least - people expect solutions that suit THEM - and I think that is causing a lot of anxiety for many people. You (the collective 'you' - not referring to anyone here) can argue against vaccines - refuse to be vaccinated, etc - and you will remain in the 'pandemic group'.

Truth - you can't have it all. Even with a vaccine you may not be totally safe....without the vaccine you ARE not safe. The sticking point? You have to decide - you have to take responsibility for your own decision and live (or die) with the decision you make.

Each of us can argue and post opinions and link to sites that support our thinking....and it changes nothing. The more people who are vaccinated, the smaller the pandemic will become. Eventually, covid-19 will run out of people to infect....the more people vaccinated the sooner that will happen.


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NPR is as far, far Left as Gateway Pundit is Right and USA Today isn't much better. If we're going to refuse to accept a source because of it's political leaning, we have to do it with them all. The CDC and the other government sites are fine, of course. I usually go and cross reference information I get and see what the government sites have to say. For many health issues, PubMed is a gem. I use PubMed all the time. Even sites like WebMD aren't perfect with their information so "cross referencing" is important. Just believing a source...any source...without checking occasionally is silly.

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I just heard Lester Holt on nightly news say this:

"The CDC says the surge in new covid cases IS BECOMING THE PANDEMIC OF THE UNVACCINATED."

Of course he said that. They've been doing their very best to shove that vaccine down all of our throats. However, did he (or the CDC if they actually said that, which I have not seen) show the actual numbers of vaccinated vs. unvaccinated and people who caught Covid to show the actual true numbers? Or are we just believing what Lester Holt says just because of his political leaning? Don't forget that vaccinated people are also occasionally catching Covid. Keep in mind that 90% of the US Population have not caught Covid. If roughly half the population has received the vaccine, then what about the 40% or more unvaccinated people (myself included) who have not caught Covid?

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In 1976, they halted the swine flu vaccine program after 4000 adverse events were reported, but now, with this "experimental" vaccine (gene therapy) that has 463,000 adverse events reported, and over 10,000 deaths, it is still being pushed on people, including children...

...for a virus with a 99.9x% survival rate.

Are you all mad? Yes. Yes you are.One day you will realize just how mad you all are.

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Tellya, we gotta roll back evry vaccine program out there so's we can all stay safe.

Inflooenza, tuberculosis, smallpox, diphutheorier, meezils, hoopin' cough, Hep B, polio, mumps & wangbreath.

Let's step up an' face the myoosic!

Prolly nowan sez nuthin' 'bout alla this stuff no more, which is cool bcs them days all behind us.

So it is safe to tiptoe about again.

I see you're ovah in Ireland, Dec — which is real cool bcs here is a beacon of lyrical heart the world can treasure.

Prahblem is, you jus' across the water from resta the Yookay, which has the world's eyes poppin' rn bcs it gowin' ROGUE with the hands-off flossifee plenty Covid deniahs, anti-maskahs an' Vax-unfriendly champions been waitin' for.

Shall we hone our find business 5 months from now?

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The most-vaccinated countries in the world are experiencing a surge in COVID-19 cases, while the least-vaccinated countries are not...

https://www.zerohedge.com/covid-19/w...vid-surge-most

New UK Study: People Who Have Been Vaccinated Make Up 47% of New COVID Cases...

https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/202...w-covid-cases/

Do they work or not? No. No they don't. They aren't vaccines, are they? Now put your mask back on, even if you have been jabbed.

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I just heard Lester Holt on nightly news say this:

"The CDC says the surge in new covid cases IS BECOMING THE PANDEMIC OF THE UNVACCINATED."

He was clearly making a 'serious announcement' and he did not even 'splorf'.

Covid has ALWAYS been a pandemic of the unvaccinated....that is why we had such pressure to develop vaccines and test them and approve them. Can you say 'duh'???
and then it gets interesting... 2 people walk into a doctors office showing symptoms. 1 person was vaccinated, and the other was not. How many test to confirm the presents of Covid do you think the doctors office will run? Im pretty sure you will say only 1, the unvaccinated. So the not so funny punch line here is the whole concept of only unvaccinated are getting infected.. when in reality its only the unvaccinated are being tested.

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Good reason to keep your distance from those refusing the vaccine.
I have not been vaccinated... My wife has and my son has not. The only condition my wife would get the vaccine is if was the J&J shot. She has medical conditions and so on, and her getting one was a process of ok's etc from a series of doctors.

My son and I have both been tested for "immunity" and we both seem to have antibodies.

It is VERY CLEAR ( and un spoken ) that the issues with children revolves around already having anti-bodies and then getting the shot. The same is clear with adults.

If you are THINKING of getting the shot... spend the $20+ and get the immunity test... If you are "Immune" then you are "SAFER" than someone with just the shot.

THIS right here is the silent unspoken truth... If you test positive for "Immunity" you are then part of the collective that is "Herd Immunity" and all others ARE NOT. Herd Immunity CAN NOT be achieved by taking a drug that still passes the virus - but decreases the impact of the infection... Think about that for a moment.

and then here: ( https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019...-overview.html ) The CDC is saying even with immunity get the vaccine.

Its kinda like getting the chicken pox and then after the fact getting a vaccine for it - think about that one for a moment.

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I have not been

and then here: ( https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019...-overview.html ) The CDC is saying even with immunity get the vaccine.

Its kinda like getting the chicken pox and then after the fact getting a vaccine for it - think about that one for a moment.
Herd immunity works with viruses that stay stable for decades or centuries not a virus that is evolving to get past our defensive measures as fast as we set them up

So this delta variant effects people from 20-65 far more aggressively than previous variant. Was somehow able to evolve to be harder to detect on the test. And ignores the immunity from previous verients . And evolved in the space of months

If there had been no vaccine we would be back in full lockdowns
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I was just thinking this morning about an "example" to explain what I am talking about regarding the masks and how they are being widely misused.



Let's say some scientists had to put on hazmat suits in order to do some of their work because the place they are going into has severe, contagious pathogens. Let's say they have to go in there multiple times to complete their work. Now let's say that when they leave the place they are working, they simply strip off the hazmat suit and bunch it up and carry it around under their arm. If they go to the grocery store, they put the bunched up hazmat suit into their cart. If they go into an office building, they place the bunched up hazmat suit on the desk. They keep the bunched up hazmat suit in their car at night and then put on the same exact hazmat suit the next day to work on the premises.


How well do you think that is going to deter the spread of the pathogens? It's identical to how the majority of people are using the masks.



This is identical to the way people are handling the masks and is the biggest reason why the masks are not effective.

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Herd immunity works with viruses that stay stable for decades or centuries not a virus that is evolving to get past our defensive measures as fast as we set them up

So this delta variant effects people from 20-65 far more aggressively than previous variant. Was somehow able to evolve to be harder to detect on the test. And ignores the immunity from previous veriants . And evolved in the space of months

If there had been no vaccine we would be back in full lockdowns
so read this: ( https://www.cdc.gov/measles/lab-tool...-analysis.html ) there are 19 known variants of the Measles since 1990 ALONE, but yet you can find studies of immunity testing of 80 yr olds and the vaccine from how many years prior is still effective. THIS debunks your theory.

If you pay attention to how they name the Variants there is currently an A, a B ( and some sub variant typs B2 B3 etc ) and the new "Delta" variant is classified under the B variant so its not "medically" significant as to warrant its own gnome classification. It falls in line with what was called the Texas variant, or the India Variant etc... there have been "Super Variants" already and they have not amounted to much. The Delta variant has been spoken about a lot in the news for weeks now.. probably months and in WV we had our first confirmed case last week.

Look at something like this: ( https://ourworldindata.org/covid-vac...untry=OWID_WRL ) and get a better understanding of how vaccinations have been administered around the world,

Read this: ( https://chhfoundation.org/already-ha...BoCTSAQAvD_BwE ) and re read it again...

then read this: ( https://www.nytimes.com/2020/10/13/h...infection.html )

Who is safer? someone that has had Covid.. or someone with the shot? If there is a card to be issued.. it should be for those that have "IMMUNITY"

Some how some way I had Covid and didnt know it ( A-symptomatic ) and my son has had it as well. and if it wasnt for having an immunity test I would have never known.

I have done my very best here to use links that are left leaning if you know what I mean. Science should be just that.. Science, and not lean in any direction, but even that is not possible anymore. Facts are facts.. and once you read some of this stuff, you cant un read it... science says ehh you probably shouldnt immunize your child - but in order to goto school this year my child would need the shot ( home school it is )

I think an MIT research paper laid it out as plain as possible... if you are indoors for more than 15 minutes you should have a mask on... 6ft or 60 it doesnt matter, if you are outdoors no need - unless in a cramped situation. All of this stuff is common sense kids and yet it gets all hyped up.

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Ok savage maybe move to points we can agree on no where on the planet from my current knowledge are any of the variant killing children or those under 20 . So the push to immunize those who may get sick but won’t die when there are a large number of people people in at risk groups around the world who should get access.

Get the people in high risk groups vaccinated around the world and the pandemic will be mostly over and it will be down to a bad flu

For you son it probably much better you homeschool him than put him in the education system

Instead of designing a new education system with modern technology we are intent on maintaining the system designed by unions and industrialists a hundred years ago . That no longer teaches students the skills they need for most of the jobs in the economy.
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Ok savage maybe move to points we can agree on no where on the planet from my current knowledge are any of the variant killing children or those under 20 . So the push to immunize those who may get sick but won’t die when there are a large number of people people in at risk groups around the world who should get access.

Get the people in high risk groups vaccinated around the world and the pandemic will be mostly over and it will be down to a bad flu

For you son it probably much better you homeschool him than put him in the education system

Instead of designing a new education system with modern technology we are intent on maintaining the system designed by unions and industrialists a hundred years ago . That no longer teaches students the skills they need for most of the jobs in the economy.
Your under a rock dude... Kids being vaccinated are dying... Kids being vaccinated are in short order developing heart conditions... its a TRAIN WRECK... and yet 6 people ( women specifically taking a specific blood thinning drug ) die from blood clots with the J&J shot and the whole program is shut down. A glimpse of WOW the system is actually working, right to HEY why isnt the system working? side note here the J&J shot has not been ok'd for under 18.

read this: ( https://www.webmd.com/lung/news/2021...issue-in-youth )

Then you read this: ( https://www.heart.org/en/news/2021/0...-plans-on-hold ) only (+/-) 400 people have developed myocarditis... how many of these are kids is the question.. and the answer is not so clear.

This article: ( https://www.nbcnews.com/health/healt...young-n1271200 ) makes the fact CLEARER that over 300 KIDS have developed this.

So the whole arguement clumping the total number of people injected is debunked..and you then need to look at the number under 18 that have been injected to get a better idea of by percentage this problem really is.

If you read this: ( https://www.webmd.com/lung/news/2021...s-what-to-know ) it would suggest 6.7 million kids have had the shot. so thats kinda more or less 200 kids per million. 20 kids per 100,000 or 2 kids per thousand

Here is an interesting study: ( https://www.the-scientist.com/news-o...19-study-67929 ) and in this study the participants Ohio State University soccer players had gotten covid... and 15% of the studied had developed myocarditis. The same end result is playing out with those that get the injection.

Read this: ( https://www.health.harvard.edu/blog/...s-202107012523 ) and the numbers get all kinds of skewed. They are suggesting there has only been 130 something cases in people up to 29 yrs old.

Each and every site I have linked in this article... I would call "Trusted" there is without question no right wing twist in any of this. The risk at large is being diminished and mis reported by a long shot. If you like it or not We are being lied to... read the articles - do the math - nothing no where makes any amount of sense. 2 per 1000 is a pretty big deal. the J&J shot was STOPPED over 6 in 30,000,000 - and Im not trying to represent the 2 as deaths... but out of the 400ish or so kids that have received the shot and developed this "side effect" more than 6 have died. Thats 1 per million doses... thats technically 1 in 500,000 ( 2 doses required )

And then there is the whole thing about getting the shot and being able to go have indoor diners with friends etc etc... OMG NO - this in itself is the biggest lie. well right up there with the only people in Hospitals are those that have not been vaccinated.. ask a local nurse or doctor you know.. its simply not true

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The American Association of Pediatrics is recommending that all students over the age of two, vaccinated or not, wear a mask all day, every day at school. Now, why would vaccinated kids need to wear a mask? They say for:



protection of unvaccinated students from COVID-19 and to reduce transmission
Now, if vaccinated students aren't contracting or passing Covid along, why would the children need to wear a mask? Because vaccinated people are contracting Covid and are therefore at risk for passing it on. That's why. The AAP claims that it's also because of:


▪ lack of a system to monitor vaccine status among students, teachers and staff
but that's ridiculous. I am 55 years old and when I was in school and we moved to a different state, I had to provide my shot records to the school before I was allowed to attend school. The schools have been collecting vaccine records from students for decades and now all of a sudden, they're struggling? Riiiiiiiiiiiight.


https://services.aap.org/en/pages/20...on-in-schools/

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I always had to provide 'shot records' to enroll my sons in school each year....didn't think it odd.


Indiana University announced early summer that all students attending classes in the fall are required to be fully vaccinated for covid


OF course, the school was challenged in court ...court decision TODAY was that the university CAN require vaccination to attend classes.



My guess is this will spread to other schools and institutions. Steve Wynn in Vegas says his casino employees must either be vaccinated or wear a mask and submit a negative test result WEEKLY.


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Your under a rock dude... Kids being vaccinated are dying... Kids being vaccinated are in short order developing heart conditions... its a TRAIN WRECK... and yet 6 people ( women specifically taking a specific blood thinning drug ) die from blood clots with the J&J shot and the whole program is shut down. A glimpse of WOW the system is actually working, right to HEY why isnt the system working? side note here the J&J shot has not been ok'd for under 18.

read this: ( https://www.webmd.com/lung/news/2021...issue-in-youth )

Then you read this: ( https://www.heart.org/en/news/2021/0...-plans-on-hold ) only (+/-) 400 people have developed myocarditis... how many of these are kids is the question.. and the answer is not so clear.

This article: ( https://www.nbcnews.com/health/healt...young-n1271200 ) makes the fact CLEARER that over 300 KIDS have developed this.

So the whole arguement clumping the total number of people injected is debunked..and you then need to look at the number under 18 that have been injected to get a better idea of by percentage this problem really is.

If you read this: ( https://www.webmd.com/lung/news/2021...s-what-to-know ) it would suggest 6.7 million kids have had the shot. so thats kinda more or less 200 kids per million. 20 kids per 100,000 or 2 kids per thousand

Here is an interesting study: ( https://www.the-scientist.com/news-o...19-study-67929 ) and in this study the participants Ohio State University soccer players had gotten covid... and 15% of the studied had developed myocarditis. The same end result is playing out with those that get the injection.

Read this: ( https://www.health.harvard.edu/blog/...s-202107012523 ) and the numbers get all kinds of skewed. They are suggesting there has only been 130 something cases in people up to 29 yrs old.

Each and every site I have linked in this article... I would call "Trusted" there is without question no right wing twist in any of this. The risk at large is being diminished and mis reported by a long shot. If you like it or not We are being lied to... read the articles - do the math - nothing no where makes any amount of sense. 2 per 1000 is a pretty big deal. the J&J shot was STOPPED over 6 in 30,000,000 - and Im not trying to represent the 2 as deaths... but out of the 400ish or so kids that have received the shot and developed this "side effect" more than 6 have died. Thats 1 per million doses... thats technically 1 in 500,000 ( 2 doses required )

And then there is the whole thing about getting the shot and being able to go have indoor diners with friends etc etc... OMG NO - this in itself is the biggest lie. well right up there with the only people in Hospitals are those that have not been vaccinated.. ask a local nurse or doctor you know.. its simply not true
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Coronavirus is like a Las Vegas Casino.

If you play the high risk game you are going to pay the ultimate price.

But the big difference is that some people do not realize when they play this high risk game it is directly pulling everyone into the high risk game.

And you lose all your chips...Game Over.


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A group of fully vaccinated lawmakers from Texas flew on a plane to Washington D.C. last week. Since then, six of them have tested positive for Covid. Six!! Now, it has been said that most are asymptomatic and that had they not been tested, they would not have known they were positive. It's exactly the same for most teens and young to middle aged adults who test positive for Covid who have not been vaccinated. The 14 year old son of a politician tested positive last year for Covid but never had any symptoms. My husband's 40 year old daughter also tested positive for Covid some months back and had no symptoms. My husband's daughter and the son of the politician had not been vaccinated but the Texas lawmakers all had been vaccinated. So how are they any different from the non vaccinated people? The six Covid positive lawmakers passed Covid along to someone who works in D.C. for a high ranking official. That person tested positive after taking the lawmakers all around Washington D.C. He or she was exposed to them and caught Covid.


So how are these vaccines "working" so well?? Huh??

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A group of fully vaccinated lawmakers from Texas flew on a plane to Washington D.C. last week. Since then, six of them have tested positive for Covid. Six!! Now, it has been said that most are asymptomatic and that had they not been tested, they would not have known they were positive. It's exactly the same for most teens and young to middle aged adults who test positive for Covid who have not been vaccinated. The 14 year old son of a politician tested positive last year for Covid but never had any symptoms. My husband's 40 year old daughter also tested positive for Covid some months back and had no symptoms. My husband's daughter and the son of the politician had not been vaccinated but the Texas lawmakers all had been vaccinated. So how are they any different from the non vaccinated people? The six Covid positive lawmakers passed Covid along to someone who works in D.C. for a high ranking official. That person tested positive after taking the lawmakers all around Washington D.C. He or she was exposed to them and caught Covid.


So how are these vaccines "working" so well?? Huh??
Please don't call it a Vaccine, because it isnt... but how is it working? It is working exactly how it is supposed to. It is suppressing the symptoms. As I am reading the 6 out of 56 people ( on separate planes apparently ) + an aide of Pelosi's are all for the most part Asymptomatic. Congestion and headaches as I am reading.

I personally dont have an issue with the "Shot" IF you have not had Covid prior to taking it. It more than appears to be an issue for people that were Covid Positive PRIOR to taking the "Shot". My Wife has had the J&J Shot, and my son and I having been apparently Asymptomatic which was determined by an Immunity test will not be getting the Shot.

This whole scenario however plays right into my point of the discussion... People that have actually HAD Covid should be allowed to run around without masks... The science says they cant get it, and cant pass it. I linked a study above, the entire run of Covid and there are 5 known cases of getting Covid after having Covid... FIVE.

At the very least folks, if you have not had the Shot get the immunity test... KNOW what you are risking here.

Yes if you get the Shot you stand what they consider a "small percentage chance" of getting Covid. I would suggest that is actually the idea here... GET Covid, become a member of the Herd Immunity portion of the population, and do so at low risk of symptoms.

If they would have just been honest about what it is, and what the objectives were, I dont think all of this would be such a big deal. The Shot is doing exactly what it was developed to do - The drug itself is not the SHAM, its the way the powers that be IE Politicians have presented the whole thing - and the whole thing is just a shame really.

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