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so the lockdowns had very little effect ..then whe reports start mentioning percentages it half sound like lying with mentioning any hard numbers .. down the roadwe might find out few people died this year than other wise would have .. but at this point i do no think there was a significant increase do to the lock down of people overdosing that is out of line with how that problem was progressing .. if the long term result of this pandemic is a peak and a drop in obiesity rates .. i gues i am not prone to only looking at the good or the bad .. so going through this it been .. hear is that bad stuff happening here is the good stuff happening .. over the next few years the positive stuff will far out pace the negative stuff .. now we just need to get through this cold and brutal winter that we are going through .. | |
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Plus, I am around 95% sure I read somewhere a few weeks ago that we also had a mutation that made things more infectious, but not more dangerous here in Florida.
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I'm curious, do any of you wear two face masks at the same time? https://www.cnbc.com/2020/12/13/shou...-covid-19.html Mark |
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If my house wasn't set up the way it is, I would not be going out and putting projects together. We're lucky, that this house came with two central air units on the opposite ends of the house. That, combined with adding a few entrances and temporary false walls, my GF, myself, and the three kids living with us can all be separated and breathing fresh clean air if one of us gets sick. | |
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Well.....two short stories. We bought a new car last Saturday. As we were writing it up, the salesman (wearing a mask, but not covering his nose) told us about all the people at the dealership that were off work with Covid. it was 8 or 9 people at one time. I said something like "If you wear a mask, but leave you nose uncovered, you're not wearing a mask". He covered his nose, to placate me, I suppose. As soon as we got home with the car, I wiped it down thoroughly. Today, the window washers came in to do their job. We have several signs on our windows about wearing masks. The guy had a mask around his neck. I said "Do you notice our signs about wearing masks on all our windows?" He said "Yeah, nice signs". I said "Could you put on your mask?" So...he put it up, just below his nose (It's a bandana kind of thing). I mentioned that his nose wasn't covered....and he said "I breath in through my nose and out through my mouth. You're safe". I had never heard that rationale before. Of course, nobody really breaths that way. He was making a statement. Maybe I'll let it pass. Maybe I'll let him go. |
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Seems like a clear-cut no-brainer to me. Edit a min later: I've fired lot's of people for being stupid. It goes with the territory. | |
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21st Dec 2020, 10:44 AM | #2157 | |
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It's the irrationality I hate. The positioning. | |
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Claude - i agree - would never fire someone for that though I might insist the mask be up while working in my building. The best laid plans don't always work....my son is pretty much recovered from covid - and now I have it. 6th day of symptoms - got the positive test results 2-3 days ago. A while back in this thread I said maybe what we should be doing is only protecting those most at risk....and letting the rest of the country get on with business and life. This experience makes me think I was right. I don't know how my family could have been more careful month after month but you can't protect yourself from everything - and maybe it was silly to try. The symptoms are not horrible - headache, low grade fever, loss of sense of taste and smell, moderate level of body pain that comes and goes, exhaustion. What we did was treat the symptoms as they come up....the early bad cough meant doses of a prescription cough syrup i had ...congestion was sudafed/mucinex....the body pain responds to ibuprofen. Most of my day is spent reading books on kindle and sleeping. In other words - so far, it isn't that bad. My son was fully recovered in 9-10 days and looks like I'll do the same. In spite of exposure, my daughter-in-law has not contracted the virus so she may be immune. |
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The coronavirus obviously affects each of us differently. Thankfully I didn't have much trouble. I hope you are all healthy and this disease goes away as soon as possible.
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I don't know if that means they got the baby version covid, or if most of my family doesn't get affected that much by covid. I just dunno. I'm glad you're going to be ok Kay, I lose sleep for the ones who aren't and, I really feel for the ones who are losing chunks of families. Another brother of mine who has comorbidities also had a mild case, but after he recovered, he then started getting dizzy when moving too quickly and has not been able to drive or work for about a month. | |
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| COVID patient kills fellow patient with oxygen tank: cops What do you think the defense is going to be? I'm guessing: Innocent by reason of insanity...due to covid19 Also, I don't know if I'm joking or not |
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So...he was sick enough to be in a hospital, but strong enough to pick up an Oxygen tank and hit someone with it? Another death caused by Covid. | |
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36,000+ Views on this thread on a topic that affects the entire world ( we are talking life or death) and only like 5 posters in rotation for all these pages. What does that mean? Do people feel intimated to speak? |
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Who? Those 5 posters? You might want to lighten up on the participation. There are people in mourning and do not feel like posting about it, closing the doors to their business, it is the holidays and there are people in forums that chastise other people for feeling intimidated when they are actually overwhelmed on a personal level. | |
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My God....did I just chastise you for chastising.....? I hope we all have a good Christmas day. There is light at the end of the tunnel. And we are near the end of the tunnel. | |
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And this is an internet marketing forum, and this isn't remotely about internet marketing. And my guess is that most that come here are just reading, and never post at all. And a few posters keep getting their posts deleted, for good reason (I include my own posts in that). So....5 or 6 is about right. I always wondered what it would be like to actually meet the people on this Forum....the Good, the Bad...and the Ugly. Would we talk like we do here? Would we be interesting in person? But I think it would make for an interesting evening. Merry Christmas. | |
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My point is.. Only those who are faultless have the right to pass [Fill in the Blank] upon others, no one is [Fill in the Blank] and therefore, no one has such a right to [Fill in the Blank] . - Jeffery Claude, this part is directed at you.. Merry [Fill in the Blank] Christmas | |
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I bet the victim proclaimed that covid is a hoax and the two of them only had the flu. |
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Blog Entries: 1 | US to require negative COVID-19 test from UK travelers Fox News 25 Dec. 2020 Excerpt.. ATLANTA — The United States will require airline passengers from Britain to get a negative COVID-19 test before their flight, the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention announced late Thursday. "If a passenger chooses not to take a test, the airline must deny boarding to the passenger," the CDC said in its statement. End excerpt. |
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The US numbers...are down. or are they? For 3 days in a row there are states that have not reported any new cases or any new deaths? Good news? Not really - but seems even in a crisis...people stop working over the holiday? Unfortunately the number will catch up and someone bright brain will claim it's a 'surge'.... I'm getting better - finally. Symptoms gradually lightening up and hope is by jan 1 I'll be back to normal or close to it. Hasn't been a picnic - but not the end of my world, either. In the past 5-6 weeks I've known a lot more people who have been positive and sick....and not one has died. Only two were hospitalized and that only briefly. I'm not saying this is not a pandemic or dangerous - but those who choose to can stay in quarantine to await a vaccine. Do we really need to keep the country closed? I don't think so. It's not working anyway - just adding more pain for business owners and families. |
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What can I say... It's a pandemic for sure. Almost everybody I know has got COVID-19. Personally I'm having it right now for about a week or so.
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NYT: Small Number of Covid Patients Develop Severe Psychotic Symptoms Chilling stuff and, if you ask me, just one more reason to do your best not to get infected with covid in the first place. |
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I don't think it's any more chilling than claims last spring that fear of covid was causing psychotic episodes for 'people'. Reactions to vaccinations are to be expected...so far every reaction has been managed and treated successfully. Right now the NYT is reaching (as it always does) for 'shock value' and finding outliers to report on. And that is a totally uneducated opinion by me - because I won't pay a dime to read something in the NYT. If you notice, the media has switched to endless clips of people being given shots...as nauseum....and to reports of various reactions even when it's one person with a mild reaction to the vaccine. If there is a Christmas surge...the virus itself will be back in the news.... |
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If you won't bother to read something, then why bother commenting? The article has nothing to do with vaccinations. So once again, it appears as if the entire purpose of a post of yours is to get me to stop posting, Why is that? ...and why dont you just ban me? Or am I mistaken? If I'm wrong what gives? Meanwhile, Here are some non-NYT links, all of them are about COVID-19-associated psychotic disorders, NONE of them related to the NYT article. Like I said, chilling. COVID-19-associated brief psychotic disorder COVID-19-Induced Psychosis and Suicidal Behavior: Case Report Psychosis Spectrum Disorders & Managing Stress during the COVID-19 Pandemic Characterising neuropsychiatric disorders in patients with COVID-19 Bidirectional associations between COVID-19 and psychiatric disorder: retrospective cohort studies of 62,354 COVID-19 cases in the USA Edit: I guess another possibility is that you could be trolling me, are you? | |
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I read the article, but I might have missed any mention that the people that showed the different reactions were vaccinated with the vaccine or not? My understanding is the people were treated for the virus before a vaccine was produced?
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What would interest me is if people experienced those problems after receiving the vaccine. I understand the vaccine is not a cure. Me, I would rather be treated without the vaccine and if (only if) it looks like to a M.D. the vaccine is mandatory to save my life then I'll take the vaccine.
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For months, the lock down everything crowd has pooh-poohed away all talk of depression, suicides, drug abuse, emotional/physical abuse, etc. as a result of the lockdowns. Not the virus but the lockdowns. For example, there are stories of people withering away emotionally in nursing homes as all personal contact with family and friends is forcibly cut off. But those aren't serious enough. The virus is much more serious. The lockdowns are worth it. That's even been insinuated in this thread. Every day for almost a year most local to national news has listed death counts and new case counts with the unasked but built-in question, "are you next?" People that have no money so they fight for the right to work or run their businesses so they can feed their families and pay their basic expenses, are scorned as grandma killers. People are told to not hug their family. They are told to do away with our two biggest holidays. They are told that grandma can wait. But what if grandma who is 80 dies before next Christmas I'm sure has been on a lot of people's minds. No matter. The virus will kill you if you eat a piece of turkey together, so it all has to be canceled. Meanwhile, people that work on movie sets, Walmart employees, hospital employees, etc. somehow can all eat together with social distancing and other precautions. Governors and mayors can eat with friends, but you'll kill papa if you eat Christmas dinner with him. Important to those of faith, no matter the religion, is frequent worship, It's an important part of life that non-believers can't/won't/don't accept. But it's real and important to them. To many people, their relationship with God or whatever higher power they worship is their most important relationship. But they are told if you do this you will die and kill people along with you. Or you can go to church, but you can't sing while thousands chant social justice slogans (a lot more allowed to do that than a small local congregation). Schools in some places are still locked down despite the scientific evidence that they are safe. Kids learning through Zoom not only affect their learning but their social learning. They can't play on the playground. They can't see their friends. They don't learn about boyfriend/girlfriend type relationships. Weddings canceled. Graduation ceremonies canceled. Conferences and exhibitions cancelled. Most travel and vacations canceled. Many jobs canceled. Parties canceled. Businesses, some childhood dreams with lots of blood sweat and tears, canceled. And don't tell me a Zoom graduation ceremony or funeral is just as good as being there in person. If someone dies from heart disease or other primary reasons who also has COVID, they are listed as a COVID death which keeps the fear and depression going. People are afraid. Afraid of sending their kid to school. Afraid of going back to work. Afraid of going to the store. Afraid of dating. If anyone doesn't accept the fear and they go to a party or church or open their business or whatever they are shamed. So, I would think many people hide not because they want to but because they don't want to be canceled. And when grandma finally dies? The whole family can't see her off. "Tickets" are limited to x number or the funeral has to be outside in the snow. Or you can go but you can't hug anyone. All of this is accepted by certain people as the new normal. The new normal destroys traditions, worship, mourning, learning, dating, etc. In other words, every aspect of life has been turned upside down and out. Every relationship has been affected. People that had good careers now don't. When this is over or slows down, now people have to start over from scratch. I said before in this thread, 100 people is 100 people. If 100 people can work or shop in Walmart, or process pork, or make shoes, or run the electric company, or make new cars, or work in a politician's office, or make movies then the same 100 people can go to a graduation ceremony, funeral, Christmas dinner, wedding, etc. Any other explanation is not scientific. The virus doesn't only go to churches but not Walmart. It doesn't know a rally from a football game. So, if the mental health aspect of the virus is important to discuss, then it all needs to be discussed. COVID the illness may be causing bad mental health reactions. BUT so are the overreactions by governors and mayors in trying to control the disease. And the constant negativity of most media, downplaying good news and reinforcing the need for fear, contributes as well. My two cents. Mark |
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Yeah, it does.Taiwan had 7 deaths. Singapore has 29 deaths. Hong Kong had 137. Those nations define themselves as gateways from Asia to the West. Everyone: how many international airports and seaports are there in your city? how many covid deaths have there been in your respective electoral districts alone? But I've already posted these things one year ago. Yes I know. Apologists will reply with a padded post that boils down to: "We're us, and thus failure was simply inevitable." I'm sorry to say, it's tragic that such a cynical and unproductive point of view has taken hold in your country . It has become a self-fullfilling prophecy. |
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Everybody is so busy talking about Covid, where is the flu this year ? Take a look at your state. From the CDC https://www.cdc.gov/flu/weekly/index.htm#ILIActivityMap |
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I wonder if that helped any. | |
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Life is getting to where shots are needed to sustain the human race? We have the common flu shot and now the Covid regime of shots. What's next? Forum shots? |
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No. shots aren't needed. Neither is medicine. The human race will go on even if we never did anything to increase our chance of survival. We just reproduce faster than we can die off. Now, do we need these medications to live longer? To not suffer from as many illnesses? Even the flu...I used to get the flu every year. A few days of misery and I'm over it. But with a vaccine, I don't get the flu. So....the shot is better. At least for me. You know what pisses me off? Air conditioning and heating. We turn on the air conditioning in Summer and the heat in Winter. Next thing you know, we'll have to wear clothes to keep us warm, and drink lemonade to keep us cool. Where is it going to end? Some idiot has suggested that there should even be air conditioning and heating in our cars. Anarchy. | |
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Have you ever heard the ancient Indian saying "One who walks between the rain drops." ? That is what you remind me of.. mean that in a good way! | |
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"One who walks between the rain drops." can either mean that I deftly dance around an issue, or that I'm thin. Please mean that I'm thin...please mean that I'm thin. | |
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Yes it does. If there's literally several hundreds of thousands more deaths in one country then the other, the border very much does matter in practice. It might have to do with sane policies instead of the free-for-all we have in North America. Just a thought.
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That's it. It's not the borders, it's the dramatic change in behavior we see across a border. So.....you and Jeffrey are both right. Or you're both wrong.....either way, I agree with you...unless you're both wrong, and then I denounce you both. I think I covered all my bases there. | |
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Facts don't matter, evidence doesn't matter only believing in CNN, patting each other on the back and bantering about who will get the all mighty Ffizer jab first. Even thought it uses RNA splicing, (that has never been tested on humans on a large scale before) and uses Nanoparticles, (that has never been tested on humans on a large scale before) although the US military have messed about with them. This vaccine needs at least 10-15 years before it is considered safe, and sure it has side affects, but it is the long term ones that should be a concern. They have run plenty of tests on animals for the RNA one, and long term health affects occurred, especially how the body will react to variations of this and other viruses. And all respiratory viruses occur in seasonal waves of three, (Spanish Flu, etc) and after that regardless of lockdowns and tripling up on masks, it disappears on its own. And there are safe, tested and cheap drugs out there which can be used to manage Covid, as well as Vitamin C, D, which reduces infection rates by 15%-70%. But anyway l have spouted enough evil, facts, and l know l am outnumbered here, (that is is reason why) so make Bill Gates a Trillionare and get the untested jab, what could go wrong! | |
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Before the white man discovered America the Indians on the east coast used that expression when a strong hurricane made landfall. The storm brought good and evil spirits. The good spirits were said to "Walk between the raindrops" hidden from the bad spirits, learn the evil spirit's plans to release chaos on unsuspecting people. The good Indians were known as Shamans. Shamans make use of logic to explain how to avoid chaos. You Sir are a thin Shaman. | |
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